***Why did Medina throw us under the bus?***

[blacklegend]

It's true she was expertly worked over by the msm and was trapped into making unwise statements, but people need to see the bigger picture.

Firstly, lets clarify what she actually said. In response to a loaded question by Davis she purportedly agreed that 9/11 truth is despicable, but she did not in fact say this. Davis stated that the view that "..Bush and those around him did this" (9/11) was despicable and Medina agreed. This was unwise because the statement has been conflated with earlier statements made by Davis that truthers were despicable and a cult, that Medina did not endorse.

Medina has been attacked in this way because she is that rare phenomenon: a philosophical bridge, which would allow people to more easily cross from mainstream "conservatism" to real issues raised by Medina and Ron Paul.

This is why it was so important for this bear trap to be set and to make sure Medina would fall into it, but more importantly, that 9/11 truthers and leaders in the movement would fall into it too.

To name a few issues, Medina is against big pharma's campaign of poisoning girls through Gardasil. Medina is openly in support of the campaign to ensure the President is constitutionally qualified. Medina is openly skeptical of man made global warming. These are just a few points and not even mentioning the 2nd amendment issues, border controls, anti war etc etc.

So you think Medina might not be reliable on these issues because of her "flipflop"? The comparison is false because all those other issues were Medina's actual campaign and personal issues. 9/11 truth was never "her" issue either way so she cannot be fairly said to have "flipflopped" on it.

Medina has handled this issue very badly, and shown her political inexperience, but all that proves is that she is not a script-reading trained drone who knows all the programmed responses and obfuscation techniques.

There is no reason to believe that she would not honor the principles of her election platform, issues she is expertly conversant in and has campaigned on for years, so people should not be duped by the apparent success of a NWO trap since this would seal their victory.

[EvadingGrid]

There is every reason to believe that she would not honour the principles of her election platform

SEE THIS

Debra Medina & Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project - Contract
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0miZegmTvY

[rawiron1]

BLACK YOU ARE A TROLL!

I'm a FED and I am calling YOU out PUNK!  I know my own when I see them!

Jason

[UKStewart82]

Medina threw herself under the bus.

[Optimus]

Firstly, lets clarify what she actually said. In response to a loaded question by Davis she purportedly agreed that 9/11 truth is despicable, but she did not in fact say this. Davis stated that the view that "..Bush and those around him did this" (9/11) was despicable and Medina agreed. This was unwise because the statement has been conflated with earlier statements made by Davis that truthers were despicable and a cult, that Medina did not endorse.

In your lame argument you are trying to base it all on a PARTIAL quote. Medina was agreeing with Davis that the belief of 9/11 being an inside job was "despicable". She threw us and at the same time herself under the bus.

Now this is the full text of your quote that you attempted to butcher (Credit to Freeski: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161127.msg957399#msg957399):

"Mark Davis: Then there's just one other thing that's left, because not being a truther is great. I'm thinking, of course you're not, of course you're not, but sometimes the wisdom is defined by knowing whom to praise and whom to, quite frankly, condemn. Someone walkin' around with the belief that America would do this to its own people, that President Bush and those around him would slaughter our own citizens in order to justify war, is a despicable thing to believe.

Debra Medina: Agreed."

Debra Medina did not only agree that 9/11 truth is despicable, she agreed 3 times!

[blacklegend]

There is every reason to believe that she would not honour the principles of her election platform

SEE THIS

Debra Medina & Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project - Contract
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0miZegmTvY

What's your point? This 9/12 stuff seems to be a load of guff but where is the contradiction or inconsistency?

[oyashango]

In your lame argument you are trying to base it all on a PARTIAL quote. Medina was agreeing with Davis that the belief of 9/11 being an inside job was "despicable". She threw us and at the same time herself under the bus.

Now this is the full text of your quote that you attempted to butcher (Credit to Freeski: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161127.msg957399#msg957399):

"Mark Davis: Then there's just one other thing that's left, because not being a truther is great. I'm thinking, of course you're not, of course you're not, but sometimes the wisdom is defined by knowing whom to praise and whom to, quite frankly, condemn. Someone walkin' around with the belief that America would do this to its own people, that President Bush and those around him would slaughter our own citizens in order to justify war, is a despicable thing to believe.

Debra Medina: Agreed."

She has also confused her own platform. If she doesn't think this government is unethical and has the potential to do anything including murder its own citizens for profit and power, then what the heck is she running for(!)?  She has REALLY put her foot in her mouth when she mis-spoke.

[EvadingGrid]

What's your point? This 9/12 stuff seems to be a load of guff but where is the contradiction or inconsistency?

So you did not watch the video or your also a Glen Beck fan which is it ?

[blacklegend]

In your lame argument you are trying to base it all on a PARTIAL quote. Medina was agreeing with Davis that the belief of 9/11 being an inside job was "despicable". She threw us and at the same time herself under the bus.

Now this is the full text of your quote that you attempted to butcher (Credit to Freeski: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161127.msg957399#msg957399):

"Mark Davis: Then there's just one other thing that's left, because not being a truther is great. I'm thinking, of course you're not, of course you're not, but sometimes the wisdom is defined by knowing whom to praise and whom to, quite frankly, condemn. Someone walkin' around with the belief that America would do this to its own people, that President Bush and those around him would slaughter our own citizens in order to justify war, is a despicable thing to believe.

Debra Medina: Agreed."

Debra Medina did not only agree that 9/11 truth is despicable, she agreed 3 times!

None of this contradicts what I said, in fact it underlines my point.

Firstly, it was the belief that was agreed to be despicable, not the people.

Second, the belief that was agreed to be despicable was a loaded statement where America and Bush and those around him were responsible for 9/11 for the purpose of justifying war. So for example, if Medina just believed that it was despicable to believe that the then president was involved then the technically correct answer was to agree with the whole statement because of the way it was posed. This is a good example of why loaded questions and statements are used to trip up the inexperienced.

None of this excuses the error by Medina of failing to unload the statement or preferably making her own statement and, again, this shows her political inexperience but also her not being a trained NWO drone.

[blacklegend]

So you did not watch the video or your also a Glen Beck fan which is it ?

I watched it, have you? You're yet to point out the inconsistencies between what Medina signed up to and her policy platform.

[larsonstdoc]

Debra Medina did not only agree that 9/11 truth is despicable, she agreed 3 times!

Medina threw Alex and us under the bus 3 times.  It is time to throw her under the bus for her words.  We are not despicable.

Synonyms  of despicable--contemptible, mean, low, base, cheap, infamous, degrading, worthless, disgraceful, shameful, vile, sordid, pitiful, abject, hateful, reprehensible, ignominious, disreputable, wretched, scurvy, detestable, scungy

[larsonstdoc]

  I called the Medina office toll free to give chew them out.  I urge all of you to do the same.  AJ said to do it on his show yesterday.

  877-938-3926

[phosphene]

wasnt the first betrayal when she joined the republican party instead of running on an independent platform? everybody knows the game is fixed. all politicians change their story for the audience they are catering to. you all know this already. i dont understand why everybody is so surprised.

[jofortruth]

 I called the Medina office toll free to give chew them out.  I urge all of you to do the same.  AJ said to do it on his show yesterday.

877-938-3926

I don't think "chewing them out" is the answer.

Just tell her that due to her support for Glenn Beck's 912 program (which is Establishment driven) and her agreement with Mark Davis that "911 Truthers are despicable" we can no longer support her candidacy!

I think as a newbie, she is learning a hard lesson right now. Will it educate her for the future? Hard to say!

[Freeski]

Good post. This story is far from wrapped up IMO.

[jofortruth]

This story is far from wrapped up IMO.

I agree!    (thx for keeping your statement short so I knew what I was agreeing to. Agreeing with people today is a dangerous thing! Ask Debra!)    

[IridiumKEPfactor]

Here is the 9/12

info.


9 Principles and 12 Values
The name "9/12" is symbolic of both the day after September 11, 2001 and the project's "nine principles and twelve values."[12] According to the website, the 9/12 Project, the 9 Principles and 12 Values are derived from the principles of the Founding Fathers:

At the origin of America, our Founding Fathers built this country on 28 powerful principles. These principles were culled from all over the world and from centuries of great thinkers. We have distilled the original 28 down to the 9 basic principles
The website lists the 9 Principles, accompanied by quotations from George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. The 9 Principles are:

I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
America is good.
I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
The 12 Values are:

Honesty
Reverence
Hope
Thrift
Humility
Charity
Sincerity
Moderation
Hard Work
Courage
Personal Responsibility
Gratitude



I am not apart of nor agree with Glenn Beck's 9/12 project. I do agree with the pledge. The reason behind the pledge is UnAmerican and a huge lie but what the pledge says is honorable.

The pledge inside 9/12 is dispicable.
The pledge outside of 9/12 is patriotic.

[jofortruth]

Herein lies the problem! Some of that does sound good, but it is pure deception and Glenn Beck and boyz know it is deception. However, they snow people by framing it as a "good thing". People need to look deeper at who is behind this to see the fraud!

[Viper]

I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
America is good.
I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

It's too subliminal for me.

[TheCaliKid]

Anyone seen the latest poll numbers? She's 10+ points behind KBH.

She's D-U-N, done!

[Freeski]

Here is the 9/12

info.


9 Principles and 12 Values
The name "9/12" is symbolic of both the day after September 11, 2001 and the project's "nine principles and twelve values."[12] According to the website, the 9/12 Project, the 9 Principles and 12 Values are derived from the principles of the Founding Fathers:

At the origin of America, our Founding Fathers built this country on 28 powerful principles. These principles were culled from all over the world and from centuries of great thinkers. We have distilled the original 28 down to the 9 basic principles
The website lists the 9 Principles, accompanied by quotations from George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. The 9 Principles are:

I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
America is good.
I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
The 12 Values are:

Honesty
Reverence
Hope
Thrift
Humility
Charity
Sincerity
Moderation
Hard Work
Courage
Personal Responsibility
Gratitude



I am not apart of nor agree with Glenn Beck's 9/12 project. I do agree with the pledge. The reason behind the pledge is UnAmerican and a huge lie but what the pledge says is honorable.

The pledge inside 9/12 is dispicable.
The pledge outside of 9/12 is patriotic.

Thanks for posting that. Medina possibly has no idea how much of a snake Beck is, and she's desperate for publicity -- like anyone who is running a campaign. On the surface the 912 thing is noble and fits with her platform.

[endof]

shame she turned out to be just another fake.

[Freeski]

Herein lies the problem! Some of that does sound good, but it is pure deception and Glenn Beck and boyz know it is deception. However, they snow people by framing it as a "good thing". People need to look deeper at who is behind this to see the fraud!

There is no question that the motive for the Project itself is extremely suspect.

[NastyNorthNyc]

Point blank, she pulled a crybaby stunt

After what happened with Glenn Beck and how her numbers dropped

She looked at that and said, damn these 9/11 truthers they're ruining my chances

So then she gets on radio knowing she has no chance anymore and says what she really felt in her mind

She was a fraud from the getgo, she let her true feelings out when she had no chance in becoming governor anymore

[NastyNorthNyc]

And oh that radio interview was obviously staged and she knew what they were going to talk about

[IridiumKEPfactor]

Looking back at it. She is probably thinking that she should have never gone on Glenn Becks show.

I remember someone saying that a couple years back when Ron Paul was running. Glenn Beck would run a hatchet job on you.


If I was medina I would have declined and campaigned all across the state.

[Freeski]

shame she turned out to be just another fake.

Why not wait for her to respond/defend herself? I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here, including the most basic of all -- that she got hammered after the initial GB interview, tried to come up with a strategy to deal with it, but failed in the execution of it when on the hot-seat because of political/personal conflicting pressures. In short, she may have just screwed up -- but if the fact is that she does NOT think that people who have questions about 9/11 are despicable, and that it's their duty to do so, then she can be forgiven. But she must come clean, and soon.

[chrisfromchi]

And oh that radio interview was obviously staged and she knew what they were going to talk about

i'll say his words were scripted for sure. I think she was just agreeing with whatever and not comprehending what was said to begin with.

i feel bad for alex, with her (actual governor will come on his show and thus his topics aren't so fringe), he and his work had that chance to be seen with a much different light and he worked to do that. instead glen beck and the establishment f**ked him through his "darling". In this context 911truth and truthers really mean alex jones and his political effect in texas.

[endof]

Why not wait for her to respond/defend herself? I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here, including the most basic of all -- that she got hammered after the initial GB interview, tried to come up with a strategy to deal with it, but failed in the execution of it when on the hot-seat because of political/personal conflicting pressures. In short, she may have just screwed up -- but if the fact is that she does NOT think that people who have questions about 9/11 are despicable, and that it's their duty to do so, then she can be forgiven. But she must come clean, and soon.

what about singing up on glenn becks crappy little thing.
And that being done, quite a time ago last year, and the video not appearing till now?


just seems a little to coincidental.

Im almost certain she was built up as a 'release valve' then they pulled the plug, youll get perry now for sure.

[Freeski]

what about singing up on glenn becks crappy little thing.

It was a meaningless publicity stunt. I would have signed it. You too probably.

[Dig]

Does anybody know why Medina threw us under the bus?

[Freeski]

Does anybody know why Medina threw us under the bus?

Has she even acknowledged this controversy yet?

[Dig]

Point blank, she pulled a crybaby stunt

After what happened with Glenn Beck and how her numbers dropped

She looked at that and said, damn these 9/11 truthers they're ruining my chances

So then she gets on radio knowing she has no chance anymore and says what she really felt in her mind

She was a fraud from the getgo, she let her true feelings out when she had no chance in becoming governor anymore

bullshit, we dropped Beck's numbers by over 500K in 4 days.

She proved to be a good slave for the Bilderbergers jjust like Obama.

Plain as day.

[jofortruth]

Why not wait for her to respond/defend herself? I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here, including the most basic of all -- that she got hammered after the initial GB interview, tried to come up with a strategy to deal with it, but failed in the execution of it when on the hot-seat because of political/personal conflicting pressures. In short, she may have just screwed up -- but if the fact is that she does NOT think that people who have questions about 9/11 are despicable, and that it's their duty to do so, then she can be forgiven. But she must come clean, and soon.

Yes, we need to hear from Medina!

[Freeski]

Yes, we need to hear from Medina!

I've been begging her!

[trailhound]

and it is much worse when you hear it. I tried to sugar coat it when I first read this report but I was wrong, it was almost like a fricking satanic indoctrination.

"Just to be clear: whom do you serve"

"I serve the light bearer."

It was pretty FUBAR.

Gotta Serve Somebody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qyYdP0TNrU&feature=related

[NastyNorthNyc]

bullshit, we dropped Beck's numbers by over 500K in 4 days.

She proved to be a good slave for the Bilderbergers jjust like Obama.

Plain as day.

Agreed but she attacked us when she had no chance

[Dig]

Agreed but she attacked us when she had no chance

what? for real? what happens when she has to sign  an order to collect all guns because "she had no choice"

just look at what you are saying.

80% believe 9/11 had government assistance.

over 95% believe in the rights of individuals to question the government.

SHE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SUPPORT FREEDOM AND SUPPORT LIBERTY

and that is why this whole thing is a huge win to the constitution.

[NastyNorthNyc]

what? for real? what happens when she has to sign  an order to collect all guns because "she had no choice"

just look at what you are saying.

80% believe 9/11 had government assistance.

over 95% believe in the rights of individuals to question the government.

SHE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SUPPORT FREEDOM AND SUPPORT LIBERTY

and that is why this whole thing is a huge win to the constitution.

What are you talking about

I know all that's true, I just agreed with you and you write that to me 

[jofortruth]

I've been begging her!

At least you're being proactive! That's great!