Arthur C. Clarke Told Kubrick to watch movie "Things to Come"

[Murray Von Hayek]

On page 222 of Arthur C. Clarke's 1993 allegorical novel The Hammer of God, he says " I have a very high thershold for bad sf films. After persuading him to view one classic Things to Come, Stanley Kubrick complained: "What are you trying to do to me?"
These two collaborated on the film 2001: A Space Odessey which is an allegory for the religion of freemasonry. An interesting film Things to come is based on the H.G. Wells novel which is about "the freemasons of the air" who fly in planes that spray knockout gas all over the earth to get everyone to submit to the New World Order. Wells wrote a non fiction book in 1940 titled "The New World Order".
Clarke says he may have borrowed the title "Hammer of God" (masonic) from a similar book titled "Lucifer's Hammer". he gives a date Sept 11, 2077 for a disaster coming to earth.

[Letsbereal]

TnX I also put your post here:
Movies that tell or teach you something?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=155852.0

[Viper]

TnX I also put your post here:
Movies that tell or teach you something?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=155852.0

Awesome thread there, Letsbereal, thanks.

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Hahahaha...the main character is named "John Cabal".

Thank you so much for posting this here.  We really do need to have an open discussion about Clarke.

[Kilgore Trout]

Hahahaha...the main character is named "John Cabal".

Thank you so much for posting this here.  We really do need to have an open discussion about Clarke.

I really enjoyed "Childhood's end" , in fact that along with "Brave New World" , those two books changed my life.  its odd how I came to read them as well. It was on the advice of someone I barely knew, who was named after a friend of mine and came from the same area as that friend , but he also resembled a mixture of my  friend and myself. There are other  weird "coincidences" about this stranger as well.

Many people have become known to me for brief times but what they sometimes told me in those instances has shaped major areas of my thought life for years after. These things always seemed to come along and nudge me up a notch , or set me further along in some quest. The "quest" ion , always forcing my evolution , I regard these types as carriers of a precursory message of my own  evolution . I try to do the same for others , though "try" might be too strong a word , it's more like "hope". I wonder though what compells this process or "evolution".

I do understand what is disturbing about both of the books I have mentioned , though I wonder what part of us is frightened by such ideas . Is it the "patriot" , the "individual" ...a mixture I guess , though I'm sure there is more to it. I have to be honest here , I'm only a patriot for selfish reasons. I want to keep my humanity.

Clarke also wrote one with Stephen Baxter called "The light of other days" , this is based on wormhole technology able to see through walls ,  even through time , they were able to view anyone at anytime throughout history , the death of privacy , very disturbing to me as well .

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I also enjoyed those books...when I was young.  Childhood's End was required reading in my 6th grade class.  I read Brave New World in high school for a Sci-Fi literature class.  Well written and thought provoking, both books are "classics" of "modern science fiction"...modern being the period before postmodern/cyberpunk(Philip K Dick, Greg Bear, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling). 

I recently had a fellow member tell me a story about meeting Clarke...I don't think he''ll mind me sharing.

I have a good story for you ... I once met Arthur C. Clarke! It was in 1970 when I was in college at the University of Alabama/Birmingham. He was on a speaking tour, talking about 2001: Space Odyssey. After the talk a couple of my buds and I were hanging out in the hallway outside the room and he walked out and asked us where he could get a sandwich. So, we said, "Come on dude, there is a little snack bar downstairs."

We sat around and rapped with him for 30-45 mins ... he was a perfect gentleman, very much conversant with a crew of star-struck college hippies. I can't remember much of the conversation, except that he said that he did not expect to be alive in 2001 for the millennium and that he envied our youth.

Doesn't sound like a scary man.  In fact, I am completely envious of this memory...I wish I had met Clarke.  But, is there a "cabal" influencing science fiction writers to manipulate their readers?  At least one prominent sci-fi writer thought so.  In letters to the FBI, Philip K Dick recounted being approached by a "neo-nazi" group to embed certain messages in his stories...

The Strange Tale of Solarcon-6
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/2860/the_strange_tale_of_solarcon6.html
Philip K Dick's FBI file and the bizarre story of a neo-Nazi plot to start a Third World War
By Nick Redfern
   

“(The Man in the High Castle), published in 1962 by Putnam and Co., won the Hugo Award for Best Novel of the Year and hence was widely read both here and abroad; for example, a Japanese edition printed in Tokyo ran into several editions. I bring this to your attention because several months ago I was approached by an individual who I have reason to believe belonged to a covert organization involved in politics, illegal weapons, etc., who put great pressure on me to place coded information in future novels ‘to be read by the right people here and there’, as he phrased it. I refused to do this.”

Dick then elaborated on his unusual theories:

“The reason why I am contacting you about this now is that it now appears that other science fiction writers may have been so approached by other members of this obviously Anti-American organization and may have yielded to the threats and deceitful statements such as were used on me. Therefore I would like to give you any and all information and help I can regarding this, and I ask that your nearest office contact me as soon as possible.

“I stress the urgency of this because within the last three days I have come across a well-distributed science fiction novel which contains in essence the vital material which this individual confronted with me as the basis for encoding. That novel is CAMP CONCENTRATION by Thomas Disch, which was published by Doubleday & Co.

“P.S. I would like to add: what alarms me the most is that this covert organization which approached me may be Neo-Nazi, although it did not identify itself as being such. My novels are extremely anti-Nazi. I heard only one code identification by this individual: Solarcon-6.”

"Neo-Nazi" like skinheads or just fascists?

[Kilgore Trout]

@37 , that is pretty cool. I knew about some of the PKD stuff. He was convinced many times he was being spied on and having his house broken into...etc. I enjoy quite a few of his short stories , I also like most of the movies his stories were made into. I also like his spiritual views , which were more akin to my own.

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@37 , that is pretty cool. I knew about some of the PKD stuff. He was convinced many times he was being spied on and having his house broken into...etc. I enjoy quite a few of his short stories , I also like most of the movies his stories were made into. I also like his spiritual views , which were more akin to my own.

I can't speak for Viper, but I would welcome a thread on PKD in this forum.  As you have pointed out, many of his stories have been made into blockbuster films.  And, I hate to admit it, but his spiritual stuff is filled with elements you can find in the mystery schools.  Personally, I think PKD was one of us, a truther...but, he may have been manipulated by forces he didn't quite understand.

[Viper]

I can't speak for Viper, but I would welcome a thread on PKD in this forum.  As you have pointed out, many of his stories have been made into blockbuster films.  And, I hate to admit it, but his spiritual stuff is filled with elements you can find in the mystery schools.  Personally, I think PKD was one of us, a truther...but, he may have been manipulated by forces he didn't quite understand.

Sounds good, i hadn't really heard about PKD until this thread, so that shows you how much i know.

[Kilgore Trout]

37,

Well , I do not subscribe to the concept of mystery schools. What exists in what has been termed "mystery religion" , is no actual mystery. What lives there is just another perspective on humanity. The concept of mystery religion is a scare tactic. I live for the mystery , without it , life is too perscribed and mundane. Since I have moved away from self delusion , most of my thoughts are the chaos of reality. They do not conform to the safety of perscribed forced perspectives.

Satanism , Occultism , Paganism , Witchcraft , Cabbalism .....these things are no more mysterious than Christianity and Judaism. PKD was not fooled either , he seemed a bit insane but , here's a quote from Herman Hesse which sums up what I think:

"I do not consider myself less ignorant than most people. I have been and still am a seeker, but I have ceased to question stars and books; I have begun to listen to the teachings my blood whispers to me. My story is not a pleasant one; it is neither sweet nor harmonious, as invented stories are; it has the taste of nonsense and chaos, of madness and dreams- like the lives of all men who stop deceiving themselves..."

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If you don't think that there is a hidden religion, you are mistaken.

[Viper]

Alan Watt Blurb Dec 7 2006
"Tonight, I'd like to talk a little bit about the subject we've been on, which is a form of mind control leading to ultimate mind control; where eventually everyone will have implants in the brain - the cyborg.  That's why the big science fiction writers were bringing this stuff out in the early '50’s about the “cyborg.” Specific science fiction writers were designated this assignment; to put the idea into the public’s mind, that this would be an inevitable progress, so that we would accept it eventually."

[TheCaliKid]

On page 222 of Arthur C. Clarke's 1993 allegorical novel The Hammer of God, he says " I have a very high thershold for bad sf films. After persuading him to view one classic Things to Come, Stanley Kubrick complained: "What are you trying to do to me?"
These two collaborated on the film 2001: A Space Odessey which is an allegory for the religion of freemasonry. An interesting film Things to come is based on the H.G. Wells novel which is about "the freemasons of the air" who fly in planes that spray knockout gas all over the earth to get everyone to submit to the New World Order. Wells wrote a non fiction book in 1940 titled "The New World Order".
Clarke says he may have borrowed the title "Hammer of God" (masonic) from a similar book titled "Lucifer's Hammer". he gives a date Sept 11, 2077 for a disaster coming to earth.

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you talking about Satanism ? Paganism? Occultism ? what....

Neither of those are mysteries.

"Hidden" religion , all religion should be hidden. Religions are man made confinements to true spirit

[Kilgore Trout]

To quote Charles Manson

"The druids were here before Christ , and they will be here when he's gone"

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Alex plays a portion of "Things To Come" in this video debunking Zeitgeist with Alan Watt.

Want to understand what Clarke wanted Kubrick to see?  Alex and Alan outline it...

Alex Jones Exposes Zeitgeist Addendum with Alan Watt 10-10-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpN7yV6VGGI