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I agree if that's the hardball way it's being played, the gloves of our candidates should come off. The response to bully questioning like "don't you agree truthers are despicable" should be of the manly Ventura variety ("we need more government accountability") or the sneakier flip-the-defensive-posture approach: "Well, my own mother believes 9-11 was an inside job. Are you calling my mother despicable?" Or, "I understand many 9-11 family members and rescue workers believe it was an inside job. Are you calling them despicable?" A deliberate pause should follow such return questions, to make the bully defend himself, thereby flipping the situation.
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She deserves to burn in hell for this. F*CK all these FAKE defenders of freedom who defend the terrorist industrial complex; SAIC, Nice Systems, NARUS, Booz Allen Hamilton, MITRE, Boeing, Teledyne Ryan, Raytheon, Electronic Data Systems, IBM, Ilog, Anser, NRO, NIMA/NGA, Computer Sciences Corporation, Northrup Grumman, Verint, Comverse Infosys, Amdocs, Qinetiq, NSA, CIA, Blackwater, SPAWAR, Naval Postgraduate School, Naval Surface Warfare Center, EODT, Triple Canopy, Aegis, RAND, Carnegie Mellon, GMU, GWU, FEMA, DHS, Northcom, Africom, DISA, DIA, DTRA, USJFCOM, AFRL, Ptech (and all of it's clients/renamed versions of its former self) not named, and everyone else that is too long to list.
Hey Medina, maybe you should learn about the Ptech investigation that Chertoff shut down in 2002, and ask yourself-WHY. Medina is a f*cking terrorist now because she is defending the real terrorists.
I am an outsider to all this - I don't live in Texas, I don't even live in America for that matter - but let me just say one thing about this latest betrayal by so-called 'Patriots' who turn out to be very timid and unwilling to 'commit' - I think it is a fundamental mistake for people to put all their eggs in one basket and blindly push this or that candidate - whether it is Ron Paul, Obama or Debra Medina. Ron Paul at least has some street cred because he rallied against the CIA and the power structure back in the '80s (his appearance on Robert Downey Jr's show sold me on this guy - that he is genuine and not a phony). But as for people like Debra Medina - she is just trying to say the right things to get elected and she is trying to ride a particular bandwagon here. These types of people do whatever they do for political points and to climb up the ladder. You can't even trust these people to fix a broken system once they get in - the entire system is broke, it will need more than this or that candidate in this or that position to stop all this. In my opinion, the only road to recovery here is exposing the control grid, exposing the companies behind it, reach critical mass awareness and then have the people DEMAND that all of this stuff is rescinded and pulled back. AFTER THAT, we can worry about politics again. Until then, everything takes second seat - the defense department juggernauts such as Booz-Allen Hamilton, Raytheon, IBM and so on - they own the politicians, they own the entire structure. They simply buy off a Medina with pocket change - and these people can't resist the temptation of livin' the good life. It takes incredible strength of character and commitment in order to honestly say 'I do not accept your twenty-million bribe' - and usually the people who have these virtues don't shout it out loud. |
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« Reply #243 on: February 23, 2010, 03:58:32 PM » |
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Hey, I've been following Jones since '99 locally. Y2K, all the stuff since. I've heard HIM flip flop plenty of times. But he spreads more good info than anyone I could name. I guess he just had to be outraged for his listeners today, because of the radio clip of Medina talking about 9/11 truth. No biggie. Medina still waxes all the opponents.
And whether she wins or loses, people will be talking more about 9/11 now, so that's good. I just hope Jones stops promoting Perry. A decade of him griping about the guy and then he says he'd rather have him as governor than Medina (who wants to close the borders, eliminate property tax, pass open carry gun laws, and nullify federal legislation).
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good analysis. RP is about the only one who when pressured knows how to neuter the attacker with an astonishing arsenal of intelligent and historical discourse. and jesse vedntura will just look them inthe eyes and say, well what do you think? and then they will be like "uh uh uh uh uh uh commercial" btw, anybody got the viideos of Jesse beating the shhit out of the attacking reporters until they all left with their tails between their legs? i think deborah should watch that video like 1,000x |
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"Well, my own mother believes 9-11 was an inside job. Are you calling my mother despicable?" Or, "I understand many 9-11 family members and rescue workers believe it was an inside job. Are you calling them despicable?"
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Hey, I've been following Jones since '99 locally. Y2K, all the stuff since. I've heard HIM flip flop plenty of times. But he spreads more good info than anyone I could name. I guess he just had to be outraged for his listeners today, because of the radio clip of Medina talking about 9/11 truth. No biggie. Medina still waxes all the opponents.
And whether she wins or loses, people will be talking more about 9/11 now, so that's good. I just hope Jones stops promoting Perry. A decade of him griping about the guy and then he says he'd rather have him as governor than Medina (who wants to close the borders, eliminate property tax, pass open carry gun laws, and nullify federal legislation).
Perry is very interesting figure, didn't the NWO just execute his brother or something? Anyway, he will need to engage in some serious repentance to be forgiven for genociding girls with Baxter deathshots. Also didn't Perry say that AJ, RP, and Medina were his and Bilderberg's #1 problems in TX? |
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« Reply #253 on: February 23, 2010, 04:18:02 PM » |
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Perhaps this whole episode demonstrates that the 'reasonable halfway' position on 9-11 ("I am not saying it was an inside job, but I support a new investigation") is not viable anymore in a campaign season. The neocons are on the lookout for it now, and have divised the polarizing attack question tactics we have seen to make a candidate positively and fully repudiate truthers. By denying even an 'open minded' foothold of legitimacy to the subject, this in turn deflates any momentum to proceed with a new investigation, since exploring government involvement has been taken off the table from the outset.
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That would cause me to re-subscribe to TV! Just kidding but it would make for some damned good viewing.  Anderson Cooper: "You don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy do you?" Gloveless Candidate: "I don't understand what you mean by 'conspiracy'." Anderson Cooper: "You know, like the government?" Gloveless Candidate: "No. What does conspiracy mean? You asked me if it was a conspiracy. What do you mean?" Anderson Cooper: "Do you think the government did it?" Gloveless Candidate: "Did what?" Anderson Cooper: "Flew those planes into those buildings??" Gloveless Candidate: "Government isn't a "being" that can do anything. People fly planes." Anderson Cooper: "Okay let me rephrase it. Do you believe there's some group of people, other than Bin Laden and his people, that did the attack of September 11th?" Gloveless Candidate: "If by "did" you mean planned and executed it, then yes. Absolutely." Anderson Cooper: "But do you think of yourself as a kook?" Gloveless Candidate: "INFORWARS.COM!" |
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I agree if that's the hardball way it's being played, the gloves of our candidates should come off. The response to bully questioning like "don't you agree truthers are despicable" should be of the manly Ventura variety ("we need more government accountability") or the sneakier flip-the-defensive-posture approach: "Well, my own mother believes 9-11 was an inside job. Are you calling my mother despicable?" Or, "I understand many 9-11 family members and rescue workers believe it was an inside job. Are you calling them despicable?" A deliberate pause should follow such return questions, to make the bully defend himself, thereby flipping the situation.
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The bottomline here for me is she went from saying she was glad people were studying things and asking questions to people who study and ask questions (us 'truthers') are despicable. Thats a 180 degree flip in the absolute wrong direction. To those who want to jump on RP in this light, he is consistent and just says he doesnt know which is the truth. It's simple. I dont want to be associated with cointel conspiracy trash any more than Jimd3100 does, and thats what Debbie was trying to avoid obviously, but at the same time she let them tie us all into one big bag of nuts and write off any indication that there was anything screwy about the official story. To me it was more than a waffle, it felt more like an assault. Is she still better than Perry? I would say so, but im not a texan so i dont have to make that decision. I must admit she seems more politically useful to the truth as burnt toast right now. At least she's on the audit the fed train, I would probably still vote for her if I was in Texas, only because she would be better than the other slime. hAVE YOU REALLY LOOKED HARD AT HER PLATFORM AND WHAT SHE STANDS FOR? sERIOUSLY? (damn that caps lock! I ain't fixn' that! ) - end rant |
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The NWO threw a wrench in to something alex cared and worked for, and Alex has thrown many wretches into their plans, they saw their perfect opportunity.
In the whole scheme of things the medina thing for perry winning is just a side bonus to the overall strategy.
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