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I'm just trying to make a point.
If you say you don't like how Madina disses 911 truth, then automatically you are a Sustein troll.
I'm sick of that shit.
Enough with the praise of these f**king politicians.
Hey man, there is more going on than just 911 Truth. There are tons of issues and priorities and one can't focus on just one and see the whole picture. I really don't think that Medina has even looked into 911 Truth, so may have spoken off the cuff by agreeing with that guys "very loaded comments". She is new at this and not as savvy as long time politicians. She made some mistakes going on Glenn's show earlier. She is having to learn the lessons of how commentators twist words and use them against her. She is running into traps, and has to learn from them. IMO she allowed that guy with his loaded comment to suck her in. Here again, a new politician and the sharks encircling her. He uttered those words. All she did was agree and she fell into his trap. She needs to learn how to deal with people who put words in her mouth. Media darlings are very good at this crap. She needs to learn not to agree so quickly, IMO! She's a rookie at the media spin and crap. She will get burnt a few times, then will wise up. |
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Whatever. It's a shitty situation for those of us here. Oh well.
Still going to vote for her because, why the f**k not?
What else am I going to do with my time to advance the cause of freedom?
I guess the only politician I can STILL really trust is Ron Paul.
Oh well. I guess no one taught her about alienating here base in Politics 101.
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I think you all should also take a step back and look at the world we live in. The vast majority of the public are NOT intellectuals like the people who visit this site. The vast majority are THIS guy.  And this guy hates them therrr turrristssssss by God. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm just saying that's how it is and her statements might have actually helped her more then they hurt her in the long run. Who knows. |
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Whatever. It's a shitty situation for those of us here. Oh well.
Still going to vote for her because, why the f**k not?
What else am I going to do with my time to advance the cause of freedom?
I guess the only politician I can STILL really trust is Ron Paul.
Oh well. I guess no one taught her about alienating here base in Politics 101.
We know they're trying to sabotage her. This could well be another attempt. Jury still out! Remember, it was a media personality that sucked her into agreeing. That's what these goons are good at and we need to quit falling for their crap. Medina does also. She needs to make the comment and stop letting these goons put words in her mouth. |
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« Reply #125 on: February 23, 2010, 12:51:48 PM » |
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Whatever. It's a shitty situation for those of us here. Oh well.
Still going to vote for her because, why the f**k not?
What else am I going to do with my time to advance the cause of freedom?
I guess the only politician I can STILL really trust is Ron Paul.
Oh well. I guess no one taught her about alienating here base in Politics 101.
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We know they're trying to sabotage her. This could well be another attempt. Jury still out!
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I think you all should also take a step back and look at the world we live in. The vast majority of the public are NOT intellectuals like the people who visit this site. The vast majority are THIS guy. And this guy hates them therrr turrristssssss by God. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm just saying that's how it is and her statements might have actually helped her more then they hurt her in the long run. Who knows. Amen!!! Do I like the idea that Medina (now) and Dr Paul both scorn scientific evidence proving the 9/11 official story is a complete sham? Absolutely NOT. But I do want constitutionally minded folks representing 'we the people'. Medina and Dr Paul are at least that. And this isn't a 'lesser evil' argument. If we can get rid of property taxes, income taxes and drug prohibition via constitutional minded (albeit non-truther) folks ... the fuel for the MIC / CIA / FED is gone. Freedom is restored. Isn't that what we want? A 9/11 truther candidate is NOT going to fall from the sky to save us. We're NOT going to get a 9/11 truther to run for office if we sit here on the forums complaining about a good 'state's rights' candidate. Divided we are conquered!!! |
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« Reply #128 on: February 23, 2010, 12:58:09 PM » |
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Have you listened to the audio yet?
It's her voice...kinda hard to blame this on cointelpro or Neo-Cons when she is the one saying/agreeing to it.
I said earlier I listen to the podcast in the evening and this is the first time I've heard of this. So I won't be jumping to conclusions on this one because I know how the media tricks people into saying things they really don't believe or puts words in their mouths. If I had heard her say the words herself and not just agree, it might be a different thing. Do you have a source where she said the words herself? I would like to see that, if there is such. Remember what she agreed to was a loaded comment from the media guy. She may have actually agreed with certain things he said, but not all, but was manipulated into saying she agreed. Come on, you know how the media is! They trick people and spin things. It's what they do! I'm just asking people to see this part of what happened and quit the kneejerk reaction. There is more to this than meets the eye like everything that happens these days in the media. They are smucks! |
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« Reply #129 on: February 23, 2010, 01:01:41 PM » |
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it..."
This is what Freedom of Speech, and the First Amendment are all about!
Not, "I disapprove of what you say, and I think you are despicable for saying it."
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Davis: "...it would have been over in a day, if after the Beck thing, you'd have said boy, I'm sorry, I messed up. I should've identified this 9/11 truther movement as the despicable paranoid cult that they are, what a horrible hateful belief to have in your head that 9/11 was an inside job. Why didnt you do that?
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« Reply #133 on: February 23, 2010, 01:05:16 PM » |
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Medina needs to read this quote from Evelyn Beatrice Hall:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it..."
This is what Freedom of Speech, and the First Amendment are all about!
Not, "I disapprove of what you say, and I think you are despicable for saying it."
With all of the problems we have in our country, is this the only one you're passionate about? Are there other things that upset you? What about unemployment, corruption, a bought media, people losing their homes, our manf being sent overseas and thus we are becoming deindustrialized, Geithner and his buddies have stolen trillions from our taxpayer monies, our govt is lying to us on every front. I could go on and on, but we want to talk endlessly about a new politician, Debra Medina, who IMO was manipulated into saying something she probably will regret. Seems small in the scheme of things, and an overreaction! |
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I said earlier I listen to the podcast in the evening and this is the first time I've heard of this. So I won't be jumping to conclusions on this one because I know how the media tricks people into saying things they really don't believe or puts words in their mouths.
If I had heard her say the words herself and not just agree, it might be a different thing. Do you have a source where she said the words herself? I would like to see that, if there is such. Remember what she agreed to was a loaded comment from the media guy. She may have actually agreed with certain things he said, but not all, but was manipulated into saying she agreed.
Come on, you know how the media is! They trick people and spin things. It's what they do! I'm just asking people to see this part of what happened and quit the kneejerk reaction.
There is more to this than meets the eye like everything that happens these days in the media. They are smucks!
No, she agreed with it...Does that make it less wrong? Go back to page one and read the "constitution analogy" I wrote to you. And yes, OF COURSE they are trying to sabotage her...But SHE went along with it...It was HER voice agreeing with Davis. It was NOT taken pout of context, and you can hear the exchange for yourself. Ron Paul would never publicly say he agrees with the truthers, but he also would never agree with some Neo-Con telling him to call us despicable on record either. If you choose to vote for he anyway, like Neco, then I can certainly respect that... But let's not try to make this less than what it is...a "despicable" act of treason against her base! |
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« Reply #135 on: February 23, 2010, 01:08:18 PM » |
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And yes, OF COURSE they are trying to sabotage her...But SHE went along with it...It was HER voice agreeing with Davis. It was NOT taken pout of context, and you can hear the exchange for yourself. Ron Paul would never publicly say he agrees with the truthers, but he also would never agree with some Neo-Con telling him to call us despicable on record either.
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Wow a politician steering clear of 9/11 truthers who would have figured....
I think she was told to distance herself from this because it is an issue that is a hot button especially in an election. Yes, just look at how other politicians address it, the same way. Which should tell us something! With what we currently have in Washington, those guys are not going to investigate 911 because they know too much. So any wise politician will sideline the issue for now. However, as the people, we should keep pushing for an investigation and hope that we can get someone in the White House and in Congress who will eventually listen to us. THE TIME IS NOT NOW HOWEVER! The current political strategy is to deny 911 Truthers. Someone has probably advised Medina in this way after she fell for the Beck crap! |
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Quote from: Blowback on Today at 12:18:24 PM Oh yeah Sane. Your girl is still throwing us under the bus. I'll go back to my Sustein Trolling.... Quote from: Blowback on Today at 01:00:39 PM Guys, Guys..... We must worship Madina. Remember if you slander our goddess Madina, you are a Sustien Troll. If you don't like Madina saying we are "dispicable", then you are just creating infighting and you are a Sustein Troll. Aint that right Sane? Quote from: Blowback on Today at 01:35:10 PM I'm just trying to make a point. If you say you don't like how Madina disses 911 truth, then automatically you are a Sustein troll. I'm sick of that shit. Enough with the praise of these f**king politicians. Quote from: Forum Thread: "READ THESE RULES BEFORE POSTING" By: Sane. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2911.msg11523#msg115233. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. You may attack a person's theory BUT you may not attack the person presenting the theory. Spare me the bullshit. I'm attacking Sanes theory that anyone who speaks ill of our leaders is a troll. Nowhere in anything I said did I insult Sane as a person. Although Sane has repeatedly in 3 years of me posting here called me a troll, cointell pro, race baiter, sustein troll. All that shit. All I'm doing is speaking my mind, if that makes me a troll then so be it. |
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I think she was told to distance herself from this because it is an issue that is a hot button especially in an election. Yes, just look at how other politicians address it, the same way. Which should tell us something! With what we currently have in Washington, those guys are not going to investigate 911 because they know too much. So any wise politician will sideline the issue for now. However, as the people, we should keep pushing for an investigation and hope that we can get someone in the White House and in Congress who will eventually listen to us. THE TIME IS NOT NOW HOWEVER!
The current political strategy is to deny 911 Truthers. Someone has probably advised Medina in this way after she fell for the Beck crap!
jofor truth ... you may need to change your moniker.  It is always the time for truth ... I thought that was what we are about. Ron Paul needs to stop his waffling as well ... murderous false flags against one's own countrymen are NOT constitutional. Let's stop this doublethink. |
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jofor truth ... you may need to change your moniker. It is always the time for truth ... I thought that was what we are about. Ron Paul needs to stop his waffling as well ... murderous false flags against one's own countrymen are NOT constitutional. Let's stop this doublethink.You missed my point! Do you really think what we have in Washington right now will ever consider a real investigation? |
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Who cares? This is ridiculous. She's still got my vote. Have some discernment folks. What the hell does Alex expect her to say to get elected? Name one person that's been elected to office as an open "truther"?? Beck's mission accomplished: Get the regular Republicans to withdraw support to pressure a response from her; then get the "truther" community to withdraw support because of that response. Beck has even said "she's betrayed you truthers". It's a f*cking game meant to ruin her chances.
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He threw Alex the Labvirus.com blogger under the bus on Friday Feb 12, 2010 when he sent his wife to do his dirty work and tell Alex to never call the show again. No explanation, no returning emails or phone calls, no nothing but a kick in the ass for all the work Alex did to promote Deagle's show. In my book, Deagle owed Alex a morsel of an explanation, but as it stands we listeners and readers are also left in the cold and many of us have questioned the real motive. I haven't bothered to listen to his show since this went down as nothing he says now can be trusted in my mind. Check it out and decide - http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/i-have-absolutely-nothing-to-say/http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/still-no-word-from-dr-deagle/ |
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Well, if I was a Texan I'd probably still throw my vote to Debra Medina or simply not vote at all. Nonetheless, the audio was pretty dissapointing to hear. It's not even as if she handled it poorly, she insulted a huge part of her fan base that had been behind her since day one. The posters here seem to know about more then political manuevering then she does, herself. Totally, uncalled for. Beck has even said "she's betrayed you truthers". It's a f*cking game meant to ruin her chances That's because it wouldn't make sense for him to do so. If he did, it would then go back on the entire attack about the truther issue in itself. No doubt has the establishment tried to break her down; but I don't think this gives her a pass. Ron Paul never came out and said he was a truther; but he never agreed that we were dispicable, either. |
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SpeakUP: Ron Paul is the BEST we have no doubt ... HOWEVER:
911 was NOT constitutional.
Putting myself in her shoes .... a candidate running on states rights, ending property taxes and living in the naive world that 9/11 was a cave dweller job for the past eight years, to all of the sudden facing the loss of donors and a lost election because of a seemingly irrelevant (to Texas governor) issue.... I can understand her making that statement our of frustration. We ALL make emotional laced statements that are inconsistent with our peace and prosperity message in dark frustrating moments. Bottom-line, I'm with ya.... but a trap was set for her AND us. She fell in and now we are ALL falling in by attacking an independent, principled constitutional minded person. Lets try to win her over with reason and facts instead of trashing her like the Beck clowns did. Divided we are conquered. Godspeed to her, Texas and all truthers!!! |
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« Reply #159 on: February 23, 2010, 02:12:53 PM » |
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Putting myself in her shoes .... a candidate running on states rights, ending property taxes and living in the naive world that 9/11 was a cave dweller job for the past eight years, to all of the sudden facing the loss of donors and a lost election because of a seemingly irrelevant (to Texas governor) issue.... I can understand her making that statement our of frustration. We ALL make emotional laced statements that are inconsistent with our peace and prosperity message in dark frustrating moments.
Bottom-line, I'm with ya.... but a trap was set for her AND us. She fell in and now we are ALL falling in by attacking an independent, principled constitutional minded person. Lets try to win her over with reason and facts instead of trashing her like the Beck clowns did.
Divided we are conquered.
Godspeed to her, Texas and all truthers!!!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Every rant now against Medina for this simply makes Glenn Beck smile that devilish dimply smile he has. |
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Woodrow Wilson
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