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« on: February 21, 2010, 05:34:09 PM »

Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be ‘Massacred’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-bush-lawyer-said-president-could-order-civilians-to-be-massacred.html

Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Sunday, February 21, 2010

The chief author of the Bush administration’s “torture memo” told Justice Department investigators that the president’s war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be “massacred,” according to a report released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility.

The views of former Justice lawyer John Yoo were deemed to be so extreme and out of step with legal precedents that they prompted the Justice Department’s internal watchdog office to conclude last year that he committed “intentional professional misconduct” when he advised the CIA it could proceed with waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects.

The report by OPR concludes that Yoo, now a Berkeley law professor, and his boss at the time, Jay Bybee, now a federal judge, should be referred to their state bar associations for possible disciplinary proceedings. But, as first reported by NEWSWEEK, another senior department lawyer, David Margolis, reviewed the report and last month overruled its findings on the grounds that there was no clear and “unambiguous” standard by which OPR was judging the lawyers. Instead, Margolis, who was the final decision-maker in the inquiry, found that they were guilty of only “poor judgment.”

The report, more than four years in the making, is filled with new details into how a small group of lawyers at the Justice Department, the CIA, and the White House crafted the legal arguments that gave the green light to some of the most controversial tactics in the Bush administration’s war on terror. They also describe how Bush administration officials were so worried about the prospect that CIA officers might be criminally prosecuted for torture that one senior official—Attorney General John Ashcroft—even suggested that President Bush issue “advance pardons” for those engaging in waterboarding, a proposal that he was quickly told was not possible.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 06:20:19 PM »

Top Bush Adviser Defends Allowing President to Massacre, Nuke Civilians

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/23-1

  Published on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 by Raw Story

The senior Justice Department legal adviser to president Bush who made the legal case for the Bush Administration's use of torture tactics on terror suspects defended comments that the president could unilaterally "massacre" civilians in wartime in a newly released interview.


John Yoo

"You did argue that the president can legally order a village of civilians massacred," a KQED radio host asked John Yoo, now a professor at Berkeley. "Do you stand by that?"

"If, I thought it was militarily necessary," Yoo replied. "All you have to do is look at American history.... Look at the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. "

Not backing down, Yoo championed the use of nuclear weapons in World War II.

"Could Congress tell President Truman he couldn't use a nuclear bombing in Japan, even though Truman thought in good faith he was saving millions of American and Japanese lives?" Yoo continued. "Or look at the American bombing campaign of World War II over Europe. Again, terrible things that the country had to do to bring the war to a faster conclusion and in the long run perhaps save more American or German lives."

He also suggested that the decision to use America's nuclear arsenal is the president's alone.

"The government places those decisions in the president, and if the Congress doesn't like it they can cut off funds for it or they can impeach him."

Liberal blog ThinkProgress' Ian Millhiser, which first highlighted the interview, argues that Yoo's understanding of the law in this case is wrong.

"As far back as 1804, a unanimous Supreme Court held in Little v. Barreme that Congress has sweeping authority to limit the President's actions in wartime. That case involved an Act of Congress authorizing vessels to seize cargo ships bound for French ports. After the President also authorized vessels to seize ships headed away from French ports, the Supreme Court held this authorization unconstitutional on the grounds that Congress' decision to allow one kind of seizure implicitly forbade other kinds of seizure. More recently, in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld and Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Court held that the President does not have the power to unilaterally set military policy (in those cases with respect to detention); he must comply with statutory limits on his power. Taken together, these and other cases unquestionably establish that Congress has the power to tell the President 'no,' and the President must listen."

"John Yoo is a moral vacuum, but he is also a constitutional law professor at one of the nation's top law schools and a former Supreme Court clerk," the site added. "It is simply impossible that Yoo is not aware of Little, Hamdi and Hamdan, or that he does not understand what they say. So when John Yoo claims that the President is not bound by Congressional limits, he is not simply ignorant or misunderstanding the law. He is lying."

This weekend, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff noted that Yoo also "told Justice Department investigators that the president's war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be 'massacred,' according to a report released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility."

Pressed on his views in an interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:

    "What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally -"

    "Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."

    "To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.

    "Sure," said Yoo.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 06:30:21 PM »

Sounds like he has "issues from his parents from World War 2 that his parents probably put in his head".
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 06:38:54 PM »

well

"John Yoo is a moral vacuum, but he is also a constitutional law professor at one of the nation's top law schools and a former Supreme Court clerk"

sounds like a top notch individual... moral vaccum? top law school? supreme court clerk? wtf
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 07:28:09 PM »

I'm sure Obamao likes the way this guy thinks.  He had better hire him right away.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 11:01:25 AM »

I'm sure Obamao likes the way this guy thinks.  He had better hire him right away.
Watch this

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82f_1267026906

Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is
‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founder’s Intent

 Quoted comment by CWG40: Right, like say, majority rule? That against the framer's intent? Huh? There's no constitutional ground for filibuster rule. It should be abolished.

Read some history. One of the creators of this rule is the Democratic Senator KKK Bob Byrd. He has stated many times that the original intent and spirit of this rule is not to do what the Democrats have proposed. He also said that it would be completely inappropriate to use reconciliation for this.
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It is to be used for small reconciliations, not for a take over of 1/6 of the US economy.

The GOP threatened to us this rule to have judges approved but never did. Big difference between approving a judge and a major socialist takeover of the US economy.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 07:19:19 AM »

Despite the inflamatory topic title, if you actually look at what Yoo is saying he seems pretty on-target to me.  He isn't trying to make the case whether the President should have discretionary power over nukes, simply that he does currently have that power under the current system.  The word 'massacre' is more than a little loaded....does anyone doubt that the WWII nukes were necessary?  How about the bombings of Berlin?  Remember, the whole non-targeting-of-civilians thing is a modern concept.  Traditionally, when you were at war with a country, you were at war with the people. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 12:10:36 PM »

But we "give" the power to nuke to a guy who doesn't have to answer for anyone. Nero much?
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 01:24:19 PM »

Despite the inflamatory topic title, if you actually look at what Yoo is saying he seems pretty on-target to me.  He isn't trying to make the case whether the President should have discretionary power over nukes, simply that he does currently have that power under the current system.  The word 'massacre' is more than a little loaded....does anyone doubt that the WWII nukes were necessary?  How about the bombings of Berlin?  Remember, the whole non-targeting-of-civilians thing is a modern concept.  Traditionally, when you were at war with a country, you were at war with the people. 


Yeah, I mean just look at that genocidal maniac. He is so cuddly and lovable. There is no way he would actually promote such savage and ruthless actions. He is a family man, a caring man. His subtle eyes say..."just love me for me."

why can't we all just love John Yoo?  Just because he helped rationalize a policy of torturing, raping, and exterminating infants in front of their parents and decapitating grandmothers in front of their kids does not mean we should scrutinize his every word.

c'mon guys, you can manipulate the meaning of anything, sheeeesh. I mean how do you define torture anyway? ripping the testicles off a 7 year old may be torture to one person, but to John Yoo it may be rational actions to illicit important intelligence. So you see there is a lot of gray area here.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 01:59:28 PM »

Not sure what torture has to do with nuclear policy though, seems like the article is just using Yoo's reputation to sway the reader.  The nuclear policy is what it is, Yoo didn't create it.  Right?  Whether or not the President should have that power is another matter, unless I'm missing something.

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 05:01:30 PM »

Not sure what torture has to do with nuclear policy though, seems like the article is just using Yoo's reputation to sway the reader.  The nuclear policy is what it is, Yoo didn't create it.  Right?  Whether or not the President should have that power is another matter, unless I'm missing something.



Yoo is not quoting national policy, he used the term "constitutional power"...



Yoo also "told Justice Department investigators that the president's war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be 'massacred,' according to a report released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility."



war making authority by a bunch of bankers is not constitutional power.

in fact, according to the constitution, the president is a fluff role and he only has authority to shake hands (not bow). He is only declared commander in chief if war is declared constitutionally. No war has been declared constitutionally and Yoo knows this. He is a lying piece of f**king dog shit and has already allowed his blatant torture of the constitution to give Cheney powers that even zeus should never have.

how much more obvious does it get that the constitution has been written at an eith grade level on purpose.

anyone who calls themselves a constitutional expert and perverses the law of the land so blatantly should either be investigated for treason, war crimes, completely ignored, and/or seek psychological assistance.



As a side note concerning war time powers. McNamara admitted in his interview documentary (Fog of War) before he died that the United States bombing of Japan were war crimes and the generals, commanders, administrators had they lost the war should have been tried and convicted as war criminals. That is just a side issue of what a war crime is for a constitutional war which Bush/Obama's wars are not. Carelessly quoting CFR policy as constitutional or even thinking these completely fabricated policies abide by common law, natural law, international law, or god's law is total absurdity. Just because a nuke launch manual has a set of Kissinger created rules and they are followed DOES NOT MAKE IT CONSTITUTIONAL!
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 11:51:23 AM »

Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be ‘Massacred’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-bush-lawyer-said-president-could-order-civilians-to-be-massacred.html

Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Sunday, February 21, 2010

The chief author of the Bush administration’s “torture memo” told Justice Department investigators that the president’s war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be “massacred,” according to a report released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility.

The views of former Justice lawyer John Yoo were deemed to be so extreme and out of step with legal precedents that they prompted the Justice Department’s internal watchdog office to conclude last year that he committed “intentional professional misconduct” when he advised the CIA it could proceed with waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects.

The report by OPR concludes that Yoo, now a Berkeley law professor, and his boss at the time, Jay Bybee, now a federal judge, should be referred to their state bar associations for possible disciplinary proceedings. But, as first reported by NEWSWEEK, another senior department lawyer, David Margolis, reviewed the report and last month overruled its findings on the grounds that there was no clear and “unambiguous” standard by which OPR was judging the lawyers. Instead, Margolis, who was the final decision-maker in the inquiry, found that they were guilty of only “poor judgment.”

The report, more than four years in the making, is filled with new details into how a small group of lawyers at the Justice Department, the CIA, and the White House crafted the legal arguments that gave the green light to some of the most controversial tactics in the Bush administration’s war on terror. They also describe how Bush administration officials were so worried about the prospect that CIA officers might be criminally prosecuted for torture that one senior official—Attorney General John Ashcroft—even suggested that President Bush issue “advance pardons” for those engaging in waterboarding, a proposal that he was quickly told was not possible.

Full story here.

The fact that this dirtbag Yoo still has a license to practice law - I believe he's even TEACHING law - is just appalling. Anyone who undermines the constitution; in fact, tears it up and spits on it as John Yoo  has, should be tried for treason and hanged.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 11:57:48 AM »

And the current adminstration covers for the last one who covered for the one before that...
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 12:11:22 PM »

How come nothing has been done? Cant we get a ton of lawyers to prosecute?

I guess its hard to charge treason?
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 01:43:21 PM »

Bushy and Yoo got along just fine , two peas in a pod.
Bush even gave Yoo a medal at one point, I don't remember if it was before or after Yoo made the statement if the president ordered it we could step on and crush ballsacks, (words to that effect).

What a paradox, he is a proff at Berkley, at one time Berkley was one of the most protiguos centers of dessent.
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