Austin, TX False Flag NRO "Plane into Building" drill comes to life

[Letsbereal]

The fire(s) must've spread slowly after initial impact.  This is the only logical explanation for this.  The local news has also reported many times that the employees in that building were well rehearsed in fire drills / orderly building evacuations.

This guy says "Exploded in a fireball" "shockwave that blew out the windows"

Something about the Austin Airplane Crash Dosen't Add Up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtSedpBlNEU

Strange first the fireball than...   ...and than the windows blew out from the inside out!

[Guns Equal Freedom]

Stacks manifest and family reactions together with people who knew him some way or the other make it also look more like a False Flag.

Yeah, you have a point.

I found it odd that Joe Stack's Daughter called her father a "hero" when she lives in Oslo Norway, and for the past 14 years, and she is Joe Stack's first daughter from Joe Stack's First Marriage.

But, who knows. Maybe they had a great relationship.

[thatgrownman]

Heck, they didn't even wait until the next day. Within the hour they shifted the focus on Iran building a nuclear war head, and immediately took down Stacks manifesto. 

WOW this is really the main evidence that this could've been real. We saw the narrative of the build-up to the attack right- Glenn Beck, Matthews, all these guys talking about Tea Partyers being dangerous- but when the attack happens: WHERE IS THE NARRATIVE>

They always hammer home how you should think about a certain incident. They demagogue. They grandstand. They implement new policies. WE DONT SEE THIS HERE> JUST SILENCE.

On to the next thing- The media shifts away from one of the biggest stories of the year. A GUY IS SO OUTRAGED AT THE GOVT HE FLIES A PLANE INTO A BUILDING? how is that not headline news. how is that not surreal and groundbreaking. Maybe I'm misreading it. Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong evidence, but I don't see a coordinated response by the media EXCEPT TO INGORE THE STORY!

[starvosan]

I still think of this as a FF.  I think the controllers panicked when people started to sympathize with him on the net, and killed the story.

[AlphaM]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/22/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T2

Pilot, IRS worker identified as those killed in Texas crash
February 22, 2010 6:58 p.m. EST
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Problems 'boiled in his brain'
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

    * Victim worked in IRS office in building where crash happened, WAAY reports
    * Both men died from blunt force injuries, medical examiner's office says
    * Authorities: Andrew Joseph Stack III flew single-engine plane into seven-story building
    * Stack set his home on fire before his flight, authorities say

RELATED TOPICS

    * Austin (Texas)
    * Internal Revenue Service
    * Accidents and Disasters

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- A man accused of flying a small plane into an Austin building housing an Internal Revenue Service office last week was one of two people killed in the incident, Texas authorities confirmed Monday.

The man who authorities say was the pilot, Andrew Joseph "Joe" Stack III of Austin, and Vernon Hunter of Cedar Park have been identified as the two people killed Thursday, according to the Travis County medical examiner's office.

Both men died from blunt force injuries, said Sarah Scott, chief administrative officer for the medical examiner.

Authorities say that on Thursday, Stack flew a single-engine plane into a seven-story building that held offices for nearly 200 IRS workers. Two other people were hospitalized.

Hunter and his wife, Valerie, worked at the IRS office in the building, his brother Harold L. Jackson told CNN affiliate WAAY. Hunter spent the past 15 years as a collections agent and previously served 22 years in the Army.

Jackson said Hunter was the youngest of five brothers. Hunter was adopted as an infant and kept his birth name into adulthood.

"We called ourselves the Jackson Five, the other Jackson Five," Jackson said.

Agents were looking into whether the seats of the plane were removed to accommodate a fuel drum in an effort to cause maximum damage, an official familiar with the investigation said Friday.

The official, who could not speak on the record because of the ongoing investigation, said that the Piper Cherokee PA-28 had several seats removed and that a fuel drum was missing from the airport where authorities say Stack took off.

The single-engine plane has a fuel tank capacity of 38 gallons and is equipped with four seats, according to the Web site risingup.com.

Authorities say Stack also torched his $230,000 home in Austin on Thursday morning before embarking on his fatal flight.

A 3,000-word message on a Web site registered to Stack railed against the government, particularly the IRS.

Read the apparent suicide note (PDF)

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different," the online message says. "I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

Stack's wife, Sheryl Stack, expressed her "sincere sympathy to the victims and their families" in a statement read by family friend Rayford Walker on Friday.

Friends and former colleagues have said they had no inkling of the rage apparently building inside Stack.

"He hid that very well," said Billy Eli, in whose band Stack played bass until a few years ago. "Obviously, he was in some serious distress and had some real despair. I never saw that."

[AlphaM]

SO WHAT IS THE REAL INJURY COUNT?

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpps/news/dpgonc-daughter-of-texas-suicide-pilot-calls-dad-hero-fc-20100222_6213142

Daughter of Texas Suicide Pilot Calls Dad Hero

Updated: Monday, 22 Feb 2010, 11:20 AM PST
Published : Monday, 22 Feb 2010, 11:20 AM PST

(NewsCore) - The daughter of the man who carried out a suicide plane attack against the IRS in Texas last week said she considered her father a hero for standing up to "the system," but also said the attack that killed a government worker and injured 12 was "inappropriate" and "wrong," ABC News reported Monday.

"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Samantha Bell, pilot Joe Stack's daughter from his first marriage, told "Good Morning America" in a telephone interview. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."

Before crashing a small airplane into Internal Revenue Services offices in Austin, Texas, last week, Stack posted a suicide note online that railed against the government, the IRS and taxes.

Ken Hunter, the son of Vernon Hunter, who was killed in the attack, blasted Bell for labeling her father a hero.

"How can you call someone a hero who after he burns down his house, gets into his plane ... and drives it into the building to kill people?" Hunter said on "Good Morning America." "My dad Vernon did two tours of duty in Vietnam. My dad's a hero."

Bell, 38, who lives in Norway, said there were "zero signs" that her father held such extreme anti-government views.

"He may have been somewhat frustrated, but he was a very quiet man," she said. "The father I knew was a loving, caring, devoted man who cherished every moment with me and my three children, his grandchildren. ... This man who did this was not my father."

[Dig]

Better pictures to expose this false flag

now compare to the damage done in 2002 in Tampa Fl


Sunday, 6 January, 2002, 06:13 GMT
Small plane crashes into Florida building
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1744923.stm

[Dig]

I still think of this as a FF.  I think the controllers panicked when people started to sympathize with him on the net, and killed the story.

It was a false flag, but I think you may be missing a key reason why the psyops "mockingbird" campaign was shut down.

no one sympathized with him, that was the problem.

The only ones "sympathizing" with the naked violence against secretaries just trying to feed their families were FBI/CIA agent provocateurs.

When these puppets got negative response to their bullshit and over 1,000 pieces of evidence pointed to a false flag it was like cockroaches when the lights come on. They are all scurrying to hide in their holes.

THIS WAS SO SCRIPTED IT IS RIDICULOUS.

Just read the supposed suicide note? Who writes like that? The only people writing like that are actors that are in a fake terror drill. This entire Manifesto came out of Booz Allen Hamilton, Brookings, Mitre in their planning sessions as they are targeting American citizens for FEMA camps. It is so fricking obvious. Project mockingbird got canceled because everyone can smell the bullshit from a mile away and they are desperately trying to hold their falling house of cards up.

[Dig]

WOW this is really the main evidence that this could've been real. We saw the narrative of the build-up to the attack right- Glenn Beck, Matthews, all these guys talking about Tea Partyers being dangerous- but when the attack happens: WHERE IS THE NARRATIVE>

They always hammer home how you should think about a certain incident. They demagogue. They grandstand. They implement new policies. WE DONT SEE THIS HERE> JUST SILENCE.

On to the next thing- The media shifts away from one of the biggest stories of the year. A GUY IS SO OUTRAGED AT THE GOVT HE FLIES A PLANE INTO A BUILDING? how is that not headline news. how is that not surreal and groundbreaking. Maybe I'm misreading it. Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong evidence, but I don't see a coordinated response by the media EXCEPT TO INGORE THE STORY!

This got shut down because the public did not buy the bullshit.

These false flags are no longer working. Disney/ABC attempted to exploit his first daughter and sensationalize the narative, but it no longer works. We want the evidence. We want an investigation. We want to know why Stack was disappeared.

DOES IT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIS NAVIGATION TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOT INTEROPERABLE WHICH ALLOWS HUMAN PILOTS TO BE IMMUNE FROM THE NRO HIJACKING THEIR PLANES ANYMORE?

Hmmm, I bet the assholes at Bilderberg do not want that information getting out.

[Jackson Holly]

SANE:

This got shut down because the public did not buy the bullshit.

Amen, Sane ... just like the Trade Towers ... just look at the pictures ...
that's all you need to know ... believe your eyes.

[Letsbereal]

@Sane

Agree and I also think they completely miscalculated the publics reaction for several reasons all together. It blew up in their face because:


1) Some began to look at Joe Stack as a martyr a hero.

That his daughter my have said that can be understandable when your father just died, you get emotional and who wants an evil father.

I think the public is stupid and very egoistic without any human feelings if you take her highly emotional reaction as being just from somebody.

She just tried to bent her fathers dead in a positive way for herself, in her mind so you can't blame her for that but people are so selfish nowadays.

btw she also has said that the manifesto didn't sound like her father at all.


2) People see this as a good opportunity to talk about the IRS in their social conversation connected with their own (nasty) experiences with the IRS.


3) It brings up the whole False Flag debate again also in connection with 911 and instead of people just being sad about it they are angry.

[Dig]

@Sane

Agree and I also think they completely miscalculated the publics reaction for several reasons all together. It blew up in their face because:


1) Some began to look at Joe Stack as a martyr a hero.

That his daughter my have said that can be understandable when your father just died, you get emotional and who wants an evil father.

I think the public is stupid and very egoistic without any human feelings if you take her highly emotional reaction as being just from somebody.

She just tried to bent her fathers dead in a positive way for herself, in her mind so you can't blame her for that but people are so selfish nowadays.

btw she also has said that the manifesto didn't sound like her father at all.


2) People see this as a good opportunity to talk about the IRS in their social conversation connected with their own (nasty) experiences with the IRS.


3) It brings up the whole False Flag debate again also in connection with 911 and instead of people just being sad about it they are angry.

#1 is just plain wrong. His daughter and other members of his family said that the note was not written by him, but Disney/ABC (illuminazis extraordinaire) are pushing a sensationalized narrative one word "gotcha" sound bite. Stop repeating their insanity. No one even knows where Joe Stack is and it looks more and more like he has been disappeared and/or murdered. The only ones supporting an insane action of lethal naked violence ARE FBI/CIA AGENT PROVOCATEURS LIKE HAL TURNER TYPES!!!!

NOT ONE PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE FBI/CIA OFFICE OF AGENT PROVOCATEURING HAS SUPPORTED SUCH INSANITY. JOE STACK KNEW ABOUT 9/11 TECHNOLOGY AND HAD CLIENTS WITH DHS CONTRACTORS. HE DEVELOPED FUTURE TECHNOLOGY FOR GIVING PILOTS CONTROL OVER ELECTRONIC HIJACKINGS. IT LOOKS MORE AND MORE LIKE HE WAS EXECUTED FOR HIS KNOWLEDGE.

#3...the building that was targeted held the CIA and other offices too, there is no evidence that the IRS was the target. Who even knew that building had any IRS agents? Why wouldn't the target be some more obvious place? The only reason anyone is even mentioning the acronym IRS is because of a highly suspect digital "manifesto". This is just a bunch of bullshit.

The NWO wanted people to come out and praise him, that would then initiate a new project to go after anyone that even says "IRS". It was a staged event with a staged target (the American people that realize the banksters just stole $28.3 Trillion - the Federal Reserve banksters just executed the journalist that sued them for pete's sake). But no one fell for the plan, everyone was paying attention to the facts rather than the narrative, that is why they aborted he mockingbird operation. if you look at the infowars comments in the first 24 hours they are flooded with obvious agent provocateur trolls. then when they pulled the plug...none. this was staged and the agenda was to provoke what they thought was a misguided grup, but our heads are on straight and we can see clearly the BS.

[Sheepleprod]

Hard to argue with that logic.....WHERES THE BODY???

[oyashango]

THIS WAS SO SCRIPTED IT IS RIDICULOUS.

Just read the supposed suicide note? Who writes like that? The only people writing like that are actors that are in a fake terror drill. This entire Manifesto came out of Booz Allen Hamilton, Brookings, Mitre in their planning sessions as they are targeting American citizens for FEMA camps. It is so fricking obvious. Project mockingbird got canceled because everyone can smell the bullshit from a mile away and they are desperately trying to hold their falling house of cards up.

Looking at this from this angle, the thing that did standout in my mind was how carefully and chronologically precise it was. How can someone in that level of emotional distress write so coherently? That was my nagging unanswered question.  As I was reading it, before I became suspect, I thought, hmmm, he must have been planning this for months or years because the manifesto is so complete. I only caught one syntax error. Something is definitely amiss.

[oyashango]

Hard to argue with that logic.....WHERES THE BODY???

That is my constant refrain no matter how we analyze the incoming "facts." Without the body we cannot even conclude that it was Sacks.  Its been almost a week and still no indentification(!)? The man was prior service, there are dental records available. If not, his son and daughter have not been asked for blood to test DNA, there has been no funeral arrangements, and his family in Sweden have not flown here (as far as I know) to start any arrangements. WUZ-UP!!!

[oyashango]

While I am thinking about this, there were only reportedly TWO bodies found in the rubble. One was already identified. It should have been simple ROUTINE investigation to have identified Sacks. What is the holdup(!)?

[lee51]

This guy says "Exploded in a fireball" "shockwave that blew out the windows"

Something about the Austin Airplane Crash Dosen't Add Up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtSedpBlNEU

Strange first the fireball than...   ...and than the windows blew out from the inside out!

Below is what was posted on Page 2 of this thread:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35460268/ns/us_news-life/

'Huge fireball'


Peggy Walker, an IRS revenue officer who works in the building, said she was sitting at her desk when the plane crashed.

"It felt like a bomb blew off. The ceiling caved in and windows blew in. We got up and ran," she said.

[Georgiacopguy]

I think arguing the fireball blowing the windows out is going to be a non issue in the grand scheme of thigns ot be pointed out here. Unless the plane was outfitted with a detonate on impact switch/ fuse, we can assume the fuel/ bomb on board was not detoanted until AFTER the plane had entered the building. This could be due to struts ripping the wings where the fuel is stored, or whatever, but the fuel air mixture would then explode, blowing the windows out. NOW, unless there is video showing the building blowing up before or while the plane crashed into the building, its like I suggested, a non issue. There are far more important details like the timeline that need to be exploited and explored. Becuase of course the building blew up from the inside.

[Letsbereal]

Well not necessarily. I think you have to look at all the aspects if your attention is attracted to it cause than you can focus on it.

We all have different things which strike us as kinda odd. When we later put the puzzle together we can see the total web of deceive with maybe some points being a bit stronger than the other.


I was thinking about the explosion story and what struck me as kinda awkward is that the man on the vid talks about a big fireball outside the building but the windows are blown inside out?

You would expect that the opposite would happen and like this man tells it there even seem to have been some sort of delay between the two (the fireball and the explosion which took the windows inside out).

The man explains it in a "911 way" presuming some effect and than later say OK it must have been the plane. The same with the Cointelpros at 911 who suggested "so it must have been trough metal failure cause the fire was so hot". The count on you not thinking about the facts and just consuming their BS stories like a lot of people seem to do.

It's not logical at all that a huge blast outside the building, which he describes as the huge fireball, causes the windows to blow from the inside out?

Than he says: "Yeah, there must have been so much pressure from the blast - but that was outside the building!!!! This is total BS.

Alex said on the show today that there were not many people in the building so my suggestion is just like with 911 the put explosives inside which were detonated a split sec after the plane impact and fireball.

Again they try to talk something totally on logical straight just like with 911 were you can clearly see most of the yet fuel igniting outside the building which later was allegedly the cause of so much fire inside the building and even the failure of the metal structure which is utterly ridiculous.

Something about the Austin Airplane Crash Dosen't Add Up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtSedpBlNEU

[Georgiacopguy]

Look at it like this. You blow into a balloon, it expands yes? You are forcing air in through a single opening, therefor the rest of the balloon expands to the pressure. Same concept, even if the plane exploded upon impact, the force fo the explosion could still create a pressure wave forcing pressure INTO the building, which in turn would cause the windows to blow outward. If the explosion occurred inside the building, the windows would of course be blown out. Also, a continuing fire would also cause windows to fracture due to heat spawling. Also, an explosion withi nthe building could still cause a fireball to emit from the hole in the building where the plane impacted, due to the pressure wave taking the path of least resistance.

I'm curious if the windows on the opposite side of the building were damaged. That would be telling as to how and where the explosion took place.

[Tsul777]

I'm curious if the windows on the opposite side of the building were damaged. That would be telling as to how and where the explosion took place.

Does this help? Looks like a lot of rubble on the other side as well.

[Dig]

Does this help? Looks like a lot of rubble on the other side as well.

If all that damage was caused by a single engine 4 passenger plane, I am Gorthar from planet Xylopedexor and can fly at the speed of Al Gore's flatulence.

[Viper]

The extra can of gasoline was debunked today, by Rob Dew, and we also know that the whole fire team from that area was there and not just a single truck.

[Monkeypox]

They sure are a creepy bunch with an odd sense of humour... the IRS.

From the CNN story above:

"In light of the recent Austin tragedy, the IRS wants to reassure Americans that this incident will not affect filing season activities, including tax return processing," the statement said.

Whew!  That's a relief!

[Dig]

Look at it like this. You blow into a balloon, it expands yes? You are forcing air in through a single opening, therefor the rest of the balloon expands to the pressure. Same concept, even if the plane exploded upon impact, the force fo the explosion could still create a pressure wave forcing pressure INTO the building, which in turn would cause the windows to blow outward. If the explosion occurred inside the building, the windows would of course be blown out. Also, a continuing fire would also cause windows to fracture due to heat spawling. Also, an explosion withi nthe building could still cause a fireball to emit from the hole in the building where the plane impacted, due to the pressure wave taking the path of least resistance.

I'm curious if the windows on the opposite side of the building were damaged. That would be telling as to how and where the explosion took place.

what the hell did that? was it the untraceable 100 lbs of C4 being hidden by a special operations soldier who was recently released from jail: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=142646.0

[Georgiacopguy]

Too much wreckage to be that small plane, and the fuel as explained is still not enough to warrant that kind of damage. and Sane, its funny that you mentioned that missing C4...I had the same thought at one point.

But from the way that crash looks, the explosion mainly occurred on the outside of the building, which would still allow the pressure wave to force windows and the like out. Which would explain why from certain angles people reported seeing insulation, window blinds and windows flying out.  It also explains why the damage is so bad on one side, and minimal on the other.

NOW...if only we had samples of residue, and even a hint of how he managed toi detonate on impact...Unless he used a mercury switch from a air conditioner thermostat, but that could have caused a premature detoantion oif his flight pattern wasnt straight and level, unless he had a arming switch handy.... Sorry if I'm babbling, sometimes I do stream of consciousness posting when I'm problem solving.....

[Dig]

Too much wreckage to be that small plane, and the fuel as explained is still not enough to warrant that kind of damage. and Sane, its funny that you mentioned that missing C4...I had the same thought at one point.

But from the way that crash looks, the explosion mainly occurred on the outside of the building, which would still allow the pressure wave to force windows and the like out. Which would explain why from certain angles people reported seeing insulation, window blinds and windows flying out.  It also explains why the damage is so bad on one side, and minimal on the other.

NOW...if only we had samples of residue, and even a hint of how he managed toi detonate on impact...Unless he used a mercury switch from a air conditioner thermostat, but that could have caused a premature detoantion oif his flight pattern wasnt straight and level, unless he had a arming switch handy.... Sorry if I'm babbling, sometimes I do stream of consciousness posting when I'm problem solving.....

oh yeah and the feds confiscated all the videos.  nothing to see move along.

[Tsul777]

oh yeah and the feds confiscated all the videos.  nothing to see move along.

That says it all right there.

[Jackson Holly]

There is just WAY too much damage. 

OK, there would be some nasty damage from the plane itself (weighs around 1/2
of a Cadillac Esplanade) ... the gas explosion would knock out a few walls and a few
windows on the first floor ... maybe some second floor damage ... and start a fire.

Forgive me if these photos have already been posted:

~~~~~


Upper floors engulfed in smoke/fire, twisted metal - would the concussion travel
throughout the building, up stairwells, etc and present this kind of force - from 92 gallons of gasoline?

~~~~~

A closer view - good thing those firetrucks and emergency crews were on standby -
that fire could have really gotten out of hand.

~~~~~

I guess there was no sprinkler system either. Man, after this they should start flying
Cesnas in The WAR ON TERRA instead of those billion dollar bombers!

~~~~~

[Georgiacopguy]

92 gallons could not do that. An additional 50 gallon drum could not do that. Three additional 50 gallon drums could not do that. With the plane being a cessna, they are limited on how many 50 gallon drums they can suggest he put i nthat plane too. Each 50 gallon drum weighs about 400-440 pounds if i recall correctly. A cessna/ single engine light plane cannot carry much more than 4 passengers averaging about 200-300 pounds each. It makes me wonder if some missing C4 will make a sudden appearance (in a report, not in person) when they have a press conference about their forensic findings, and they will find some weird, almost inplausible link between the pilot and the missing C4..

There is just WAY too much damage. 

OK, there would be some nasty damage from the plane itself (weighs around 1/2
of a Cadillac Esplanade) ... the gas explosion would knock out a few walls and a few
windows on the first floor ... maybe some second floor damage ... and start a fire.

Forgive me if these photos have already been posted:

~~~~~


Upper floors engulfed in smoke/fire, twisted metal - would the concussion travel
throughout the building, up stairwells, etc and present this kind of force - from 92 gallons of gasoline?

~~~~~

A closer view - good thing those firetrucks and emergency crews were on standby -
that fire could have really gotten out of hand.

~~~~~

I guess there was no sprinkler system either. Man, after this they should start flying
Cesnas in The WAR ON TERRA instead of those billion dollar bombers!

~~~~~

[bigron]

Looking Closer at Joseph Stack

posted by Laura Flanders on 02/23/2010 @ 10:06am
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/533491/looking_closer_at_joseph_stack?rel=emailNation

Joseph Stack -- remember him? He's the guy who crashed his plane into an Internal Revenue Service building in Austin last week. Fifty-three years old, Stack killed one IRS manager, Vernon Hunter, and wounded 13 more before killing himself, but you'd be forgiven for forgetting his name, because he largely fell out of the news in the days afterward...

That's not so say there hasn't been howling. When Stack's daughter told ABC's Good Morning America that she considered her father a hero there was outrage, and reasonably so. Facebook fan pages praising Stack have shown up with links to right-wing, so-called patriot groups and at the CPAC conservative organizing meeting in DC more than one GOP member referred sympathetically to Stack's anti-government views.

 

Outrage at all of that's utterly justified. Sympathy with a bomber puts the lie to the extreme right's claim to reject violence. Someone who carries out premeditated deadly force against civilians to make a political point is by virtually any definition a terrorist, not a hero. Stack remodeled his plane so as to pack it with extra fuel, left a manifesto, took the life of an innocent man.

If Stack had been an Arab or a Muslim, you can bet this story would still be getting blaring headlines and front page news coverage. As one of my Twitter friends wrote, "What, if you own your own plane you can't be a terrorist?"

Well said. But it's not just the hypocrisy that's the problem, it's the lack of serious coverage. By all means hold those who praise Stack to account, and call out media hypocrisy and double standards. But before you dismiss him as simply a crazy, read his manifesto. It's posted online. I quote:

"Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities...and when it's time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and....this country's leaders don't see this as important as bailing out a few of their... cronies."

Most of what Stack has to say's not mad. Or incoherent. Does is justify killing? Not at all, but should the extreme right be the only ones responding? I'd say not. Stack's was a lone act -- and let's hope it stays that way, but - as after 9-11- asking why is again worth doing... We have choices about how to respond. Denial's only one of them.

The F Word is a regular commentary by Laura Flanders, the host of GRITtv which broadcasts weekdays on satellite TV (Dish Network Ch. 9415 Free Speech TV) on cable, and online at GRITtv.org and TheNation.com. Follow GRITtv or GRITlaura on Twitter.com.

Correction: Joseph Stack was not a Vietnam veteran as reported earlier. However, the man he killed, Vernon Hunter, was. The text has been corrected here.

[Dig]

Looking Closer at Joseph Stack

posted by Laura Flanders on 02/23/2010 @ 10:06am
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/533491/looking_closer_at_joseph_stack?rel=emailNation

Joseph Stack -- remember him? He's the guy who crashed his plane into an Internal Revenue Service building in Austin last week. Fifty-three years old, Stack killed one IRS manager, Vernon Hunter, and wounded 13 more before killing himself, but you'd be forgiven for forgetting his name, because he largely fell out of the news in the days afterward...

That's not so say there hasn't been howling. When Stack's daughter told ABC's Good Morning America that she considered her father a hero there was outrage, and reasonably so. Facebook fan pages praising Stack have shown up with links to right-wing, so-called patriot groups and at the CPAC conservative organizing meeting in DC more than one GOP member referred sympathetically to Stack's anti-government views.

 

Outrage at all of that's utterly justified. Sympathy with a bomber puts the lie to the extreme right's claim to reject violence. Someone who carries out premeditated deadly force against civilians to make a political point is by virtually any definition a terrorist, not a hero. Stack remodeled his plane so as to pack it with extra fuel, left a manifesto, took the life of an innocent man.

If Stack had been an Arab or a Muslim, you can bet this story would still be getting blaring headlines and front page news coverage. As one of my Twitter friends wrote, "What, if you own your own plane you can't be a terrorist?"

Well said. But it's not just the hypocrisy that's the problem, it's the lack of serious coverage. By all means hold those who praise Stack to account, and call out media hypocrisy and double standards. But before you dismiss him as simply a crazy, read his manifesto. It's posted online. I quote:

"Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities...and when it's time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and....this country's leaders don't see this as important as bailing out a few of their... cronies."

Most of what Stack has to say's not mad. Or incoherent. Does is justify killing? Not at all, but should the extreme right be the only ones responding? I'd say not. Stack's was a lone act -- and let's hope it stays that way, but - as after 9-11- asking why is again worth doing... We have choices about how to respond. Denial's only one of them.

The F Word is a regular commentary by Laura Flanders, the host of GRITtv which broadcasts weekdays on satellite TV (Dish Network Ch. 9415 Free Speech TV) on cable, and online at GRITtv.org and TheNation.com. Follow GRITtv or GRITlaura on Twitter.com.

Correction: Joseph Stack was not a Vietnam veteran as reported earlier. However, the man he killed, Vernon Hunter, was. The text has been corrected here.

All of this assumes Joe Stack had anything to do with this which seems to be an outlandish conspiracy theory. The more logical evaluation is that the government conducted a false flag attack. One look at the damage to the building shows that this was a controlled explosion which would have been completely impossible with a single engine plane even if it was made out of gasoline. That was not a firebomb breaking windows, that was detonated explosives.

[larsonstdoc]

All of this assumes Joe Stack had anything to do with this which seems to be an outlandish conspiracy theory. The more logical evaluation is that the government conducted a false flag attack. One look at the damage to the building shows that this was a controlled explosion which would have been completely impossible with a single engine plane even if it was made out of gasoline. That was not a firebomb breaking windows, that was detonated explosives.

 The first time I saw the pictures from Austin it looked like the Oklahoma City pictures but on a smaller scale.

[Viper]

Yeah, never mind the building for a sec, look at the front embankment, seems the building blew out the way.

[larsonstdoc]

Yeah, never mind the building for a sec, look at the front embankment, seems the building blew out the way.

 Thanks for the picture Viper.  You'd  think that a giant C-140 cargo plane had hit the building.

[Letsbereal]

[oyashango]

Wow. That looks like more damage than what was done at the pentagon on 911.

[Letsbereal]

Wow. That looks like more damage than what was done at the pentagon on 911.

Good point brow!











Red Spot where the Cruise Missile went in



Path of the Cruise Missile



Plain clearly doesn't fit ROFL



Holes where the cruise Missile went trough












For people who haven’t seen these PICS yet -> taken from an Helicopter during the 911 Attack

They are very impressive. Had them long before the most recent released photo’s.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/NineOneOne/?albumview=slideshow

Have them in much higher res - make a request and I load them up so you can download them.

[Georgiacopguy]

My ex-wife married her second husband, and his father worked in one of the damaged rings of the Pentagon. My son, who thought very fondly of both men (the 2nd husband and his father) is very fond of pointing out that on 9/11, he had a Dentists appointment, and thats all that saved his life... I wonder how many of those people had appointments elsewhere that day. It's really a shame we have no way to mindmap that, and cross reference it with ranks or cost of training. I surmise someone might have done some loss benefit analysis to determine who would be saved and who would die.

I mean, the whole shift work argument at the IRS building is ludicrous in its own merits. They are getting in that late, this far in to tax season? I've seen conflicting reports that there was foreknowledge of the attack, which would explain the absence of the workers. But what befuddles me is; if they knew about it, why not say they knew about it to expalin away the absence of the workers. UNLESS they were too worried about the appearance that they are TRULY f**kING INCOMPETENT, because they could not catch ONE solitary man this time, when they allegedly missed 9 cave dwellers on 9/11. I mean even a blind squirrel gets a nut, but they could not snag one of 9 men?? What are we paying these incompetent boobs for? Even when they supposedly know about things in advance, they cannot even stop a crime. So then I ask myself, why? So then I mull over the various reasons, and I ultimately come to the same conclusion as others here; which tells me, they want these things to happen.

[Letsbereal]

They not only want these things to happen THEY STAGE IT!

Realy have to go deeper into the rabbit hole brow. Do more of your own research.

But 911 is simple they found Thermite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite So staged end of discussion: point.

Or to be more specific: They found a highly sophisticated military form of Thermite or Thermate.

Prof. Steven E. Jones about thermite melting WTC-steel http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904&ei=yfyFS9D0G9ST-Aa81Mw-&q=prof+jones+thermite&hl=en#