Austin, TX False Flag NRO "Plane into Building" drill comes to life

[phasma]

from the size of the fire i saw on tv i would think it might have . . .

hang on thou, does this mean that ECHELON is off line?

[Jackson Holly]

The radio just said they shut down Echelon IV building because of the plane crash in Echelon I building.  They said there was possible damage to the foundation.

I think this is their Achilles heel on this one ... the damage
is just as ridiculously unbelievable to my eyes as as the
collapsing towers on 911.

[Col3_11n12]

hang on thou, does this mean that ECHELON is off line?

If Echelon IV is shut down, and Echelon I is what was hit, it does make you wonder what happened to II and III.

[starvosan]

Also this comes at a very opportune time for the IRS.  Massive new taxes are coming down the pike, and those will come due in a matter of weeks.  Head off the coming taxpayer storm by creating sympathy for our embattled government employees, and stock up on the them shotguns.  The American people are not under attack from the government, it's the government that is under attack from those evil citizens.

[Ryujin]

@Jackson Holly: Yep, the max amount of damage this crash could of caused couldn't be anymore then a couple sticks of dynamite, in fact since this was a building there is a lot of open space so a lot of the kinetic energy this crash would caused would of been wasted since more then likely the plane would of over penetrated the wall it hit doing very little real damage and the rest would hit the ground (shacking the ground which COULD do some foundation damage if it hit hard enough though I'm doubtful this impact would done anything to significant) and much of the explosive energy from the fuel tank would of been wasted  expanding against noting but air and thin walls.

[TheHouseMan]

Rob Dew, an employee of Alex Jones who knew Andrew Joe Stack, joins Alex on the Feb 19 edition to give his series of events.

--- This is my rough transcript, live ---

Alex: What kind of guy was Joe Stack? How did you meet him? What's your gut?

Rob: Had a neighbour musician, playing older blues-country rock. I'd come in playing bass. Joe Stack was in his band.

Met him in mid-2000s. Was playing bass with neighbour. I sat in with his band several times. Got to know him in practises and gigs.

He was mild mannered. Clean-cut, by South Austin standards. They're normally more rag-tag, longer hair and stuff.

Joe was always buttoned up shirt, clean hair, glasses.

Real smart. Software engineer and pilot. Someone who seemed to have it together, compared to other people you meet generally.

When I figured out it was him, I was shocked. Out of character for him.

We need to ask questions: what would drive him to do this, if he was a lone wolf type? What would push him to the brink?

Alex: Other musician friends of his on the news were saying he was a great musician.

Everyone is going with the line he did this on purpose. If the govt has been caught in the past, we need to investigate. This is being blamed on Tea Parties on Jones.

Rob: Someone close enough to see pilot, said

Alex: They could have burned his house down, buried him. Staged his death. Blew up the building. They can remote control planes, we've known for decades. We have to look at this.

Rob: Important to ask questions. Find out how the IRS was investigating this guy.

One guy told me one of his neighbours was an IRS employee who worked in the building. Unconfirmed.

Alex: What would you talk to him about?

Rob: Music, general stuff. Happy guy, but serious when he was playing. He didn't drink or smoke.

Alex: People say he was very smart, focused, precise, intelligent.

Rob: We played his compositions. They were difficult. Jazz-rock. The upbeat stuff with more interesting chords than you would find in a pop song.

Steely Dan fan. We played a few of their songs. Can't remember any other bands of his off my mind.

Was short compared to me. Carried in huge pianos to practise. Talking while he was doing it. I never saw him get angry at anyone. If we had disagreements over a song, we'd sit and talk about it.

Never heard him get political, or talk bad about the government.

Met him in mid-2000s, I think. Haven't seen him in 1-2 years.

Talked to people who have seen him in the last few weeks. People doing sessions with him. Amazing he could turn in such a short period of time.

The clip I have is from Moon River Bar. He is playing.

Green lights on. Me and my brother shot the video, set up lights.

We played in just one band with him, I subbed on bass. He played keyboard, and also bass in other bands. As well as an orchordeon guy.

He had his plane for many years. Band leader of my band has flown in his plane down to San Antonio with him.

I didn't know him, because of the Joe Stack / Andrew Joseph Stack thing. I asked people in the neighbourhood if they knew him, then realised I knew him. Confused over his name / nickname.

An IRS Austin worker had a guy from DC calling it an accident. Employees corrected him. He said no warning. Fringe groups can't be predicted. Then, the other guy said there was a sheltering in place. However, he doesn't say it was the exact same building. We'll have to confirm that.

512-646-6444. 1-minute message. Leave serious calls, with info on Joe Stack.

We'll be back with more. Final segment.

[phasma]

If Echelon IV is shut down, and Echelon I is what was hit, it does make you wonder what happened to II and III.

and also just exactly how many other "Echelons" there are !!! could be hundreds of them.

[Col3_11n12]

and also just exactly how many other "Echelons" there are !!! could be hundreds of them.

No, there's only 4:  Echelon I-IV.   It's an office complex.  The buildings look like they're all ~5 stories tall.  

What is striking, though, is how all four look alike.   I would love to know how you would tell them apart from the air, especially if Echelon I and IV were somehow next to each other.   The IRS would have occupied one floor in Echelon I.  So basically you're targeting a specific floor, in a specific building, from the air.  

[TheHouseMan]

-- back from break, my rough transcript continues --

Alex: My gut tells me this is staged. IRS letter, sheltering, being prepared in advance. Maybe giving people a reason to get violent, getting behind the guy and moving on his calls for violent revolution in his suicide letter.

Dew: Need to find out when fire department was phoned. 25 miles north, he came. I can't see him getting there that quickly.

Alex: Saying fire started at 9. He could have done it.

Dew: Neighbour said she left her house at 8:45. She didn't see it. Someone called it saying fire in the neighbourhood.

Alex: Why would the family already be out of the house? Why were the police not called?

Dew: Heard reports neighbour let him out the house. Heard they came home and found it that way.

Alex: Why did cops not let people talk to press?

Dew: Some people did. A sharp-dressed, younger guy didn't want to talk to us. I remember what he looks like. So we'll be able to know. Neighbours around seemed to be older. A younger one left at 8:45 in the morning.

He's left behind a wife and stepdaugher. And he has a daughter in Norway. I put my heart and prayers out to them.

Alex: Seen different numbers. One person missing. 2 bodies?

Dew: I think they pulled out 2 bodies. Him, and one they haven't identified?

Alex: You also said yesterday reporters were stunned at how police had so much info on this so quickly.

Anyway, show is over. Amazing show with James Traficant. Rebroadcast starting. Great job, crew. Best crew I've ever had.

[phasma]

Ok, Just to be straight - is this building named ecelon anything to do with the echelon eaves dropping network - or does it just share the same name for some odd reason?

[donnay]

Wife of Texas pilot expresses sorrow for victims

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- The wife of a man who officials say crashed his small airplane into an Internal Revenue Service office in Texas expressed her "sincere sympathy to the victims and their families" Friday.

"Words cannot adequately express the sorrow or the sympathy I feel for everyone affected by this unimaginable tragedy," Sheryl Stack said in a statement read by a family friend, Rayford Walker.

Two people were dead and two others were hospitalized Thursday after Joe Stack rammed his his Piper Cherokee PA-28 into a seven-story building in northwest Austin, federal officials said. The building housed an IRS office with nearly 200 employees.

A 3,000-word message on a Web site registered to Stack railed against the government, particularly the IRS.

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different," the online message says. "I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

Authorities say Stack also set fire to his $230,000 home in Austin before embarking on his fatal flight.

Austin attack stuns community
Video: Pilot's wife releases statement
Video: Stack's bandmates react
Video: What Stack's writing reveals
Video: Man burns home, crashes plane
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    * Austin (Texas)
    * Internal Revenue Service
    * Suicide Attacks
    * Federal Aviation Administration

An IRS criminal investigator went to visit Stack's accountant after Thursday's events, leaving a business card on the CPA's front door.

The online message believed to have been written by Stack mentions accountant Bill Ross, saying it became "brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me."

IRS investigator James L. Neff told CNN that Ross is not under investigation. Officials just wanted to make sure he was OK after reading the online comments.

"We didn't know if he was alive or dead," Neff said.

Ross was fine, the investigator said.

Friends and former colleagues said Friday they had no inkling of the rage apparently tormenting Stack.

"He hid that very well," said Billy Eli, in whose band Stack played bass until a few years ago. "Obviously he was in some serious distress and had some real despair. I never saw that."

Neither did another former band mate, Ric Furley.

"I never saw him in a bad mood or speaking negatively about anything or anyone," Furley said on CNN's "American Morning."

Watch how band mates remember Stack

A former FBI profiler said Stack, 53, apparently had been nursing pain for quite a while.

"He was a wound collector," said Joe Navarro, a 25-year FBI veteran.

But those wounds, Navarro said, may not have been evident.

"Unfortunately, what goes on in the mind often remains there," Navarro said, also on "American Morning."

Watch what Stack's writing reveals about him

The observations into Stack's psyche came as investigators continued to try to piece together what happened.

Two bodies recovered late Thursday remained publicly unidentified Friday.

Two other people were seriously injured and taken to a hospital, while 11 people were treated for minor injuries, Austin police Chief Art Acevedo said Thursday.

The two injured victims, both males, were transported to University Medical Center Brackenridge, according to Matilda Sanchez, a spokeswoman for Seton Family of Hospitals, which runs the medical center.

One patient was treated and released, Sanchez said. The other was transferred to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio in serious but stable condition with burns over 20 to 25 percent of his body, mostly on his back, she said.

The patient taken to the Brooke medical facility remained in stable condition Friday, said hospital spokeswoman Jen Rodriguez. She declined to release any further information.

Share information about the crash and the pilot

The IRS in Dallas, Texas, told CNN the building is a federal IRS field office with 199 employees.

An IRS spokesman said federal law prohibits the agency from releasing information about any interactions the agency may have had with Stack.

The IRS issued a statement Friday saying tax returns will not be delayed.

"In light of the recent Austin tragedy, the IRS wants to reassure Americans that this incident will not affect filing season activities, including tax return processing," the statement said. "The IRS does not process tax returns or issue refunds at the Echelon 1 Building at 9430 Research Blvd., in Austin, Texas."

The Federal Aviation Administration said the plane appeared to have taken off from Georgetown Municipal Airport north of Austin about 9:40 a.m.

The pilot did not file a flight plan, the FAA said, and none was required because Thursday was a clear day.

The National Transportation Board said Friday it was transferring control of the investigation to the FBI, "given the apparent criminal nature of the event."

Austin Mayor Lee Leffingwell said Thursday "there is evidence that the [airplane's] gas tank was just about full. ... That amount of gasoline ... can do a lot of damage."

Witnesses described an infernal scene, with a blast that that shook nearby buildings and sent fire and smoke bellowing into the sky.

"I just saw smoke and flames," said CNN iReporter Mike Ernest. "I could not believe what I was seeing. It was just smoke and flames everywhere."

Firefighters used two ladder trucks and other equipment to hose down the blaze, which they brought under control within 90 minutes.

Putting out the fire may have been the easy part. Finding out what set Stack off will take longer.

"We don't know what the trigger was," said former FBI profiler Navarro.

"This has been such a shock because it was totally out of character with the Joe Stack I played with for three years," said former band mate Eli.

"We liked him," said Furley, the other former band mate. "We liked him."

[phasma]

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different,"

Nah, That doesnt make you insane ! Chaos reigns supreme - such a thing is quite likely to occur IMHO.
What makes you insane is buying that a cessnar or what ever it did can cause the amount of damage seen to that building !

Kinda square peg - round hole scenario.
It doesn`t fit !

[Freeski]

They sure are a creepy bunch with an odd sense of humour... the IRS.

From the CNN story above:

"In light of the recent Austin tragedy, the IRS wants to reassure Americans that this incident will not affect filing season activities, including tax return processing," the statement said.

[Col3_11n12]

is this building named ecelon anything to do with the echelon eaves dropping network - or does it just share the same name for some odd reason?

That would be a tough sell convincing somebody the government leased a floor there just because the complex was named "Echelon".   That they would lease a building at all, though, for the purpose of attacking it--now that's believable (or at least, if you're going to attack yourself, choose a building you're leasing and don't own).   Make the landlord worry about it.  The IRS owns a very large building further south in Austin; that building was untouched.

[phasma]

They sure are a creepy bunch with an odd sense of humour... the IRS.

From the CNN story above:

"In light of the recent Austin tragedy, the IRS wants to reassure Americans that this incident will not affect filing season activities, including tax return processing," the statement said.

It`d have to be an earth ending event to put back the filing date of the IRS !

[oyashango]

Texas Plane Crash: Wife of Joe Stack Calls Attack 'Unimaginable Tragedy'
Authorities Investigating Whether Explosives on Plane When it Crashed

SARAH NETTER and PIERRE THOMAS
Feb. 19, 2010—


The wife of the suicidal Texas pilot who slammed his plane into an Austin office building called the attack today an "unimaginable tragedy."

Sheryl Stack, who was mentioned in the hate-filled suicide note thought to have been left by her husband, issued a statement extending "my sincerest sympathy to the victims and their families."

"Words cannot adequately express my sorrow or the sympathy I feel for everyone affected by this unimaginable tragedy," she said.

Sheryl Stack said she would not answer any questions because of the ongoing investigation.

The sheer volume of flames and smoke pouring from the Austin office building after A. Joseph Stack slammed into with his plane has prompted authorities to investigate whether he had some kind of explosive on board, sources told ABC News.

Stack, 53, topped off his single engine Piper Cherokee with fuel before crashing into the IRS offices in a kamikaze mission designed to punish the government he believed wronged him.

The full tank of fuel is believed to have contributed to the force of the explosion and subsequent fire, which investigators believe was probably a deliberate tactic by Stack.

Despite the spectacular crash and fire that left the seven story building a blackened hulk, only Stack and one other person are believed to have died. The body of the unidentified victim, a federal employee, was pulled from the building Thursday night.

Sheryl Stack did not address the suicide note investigators believe her husband wrote -- a lengthy rage-filled diatribe against t the IRS, President George W. Bush and his own accountant.

She instead asked for "privacy and the personal space we need to get beyond the events of yesterday."

The suicide note was posted Thursday right around the same time as the 10 a.m. crash. It was signed "Joe Stack (1956-2010.)"

The note was titled "Well Mr. Big Brother IRS Man & take my pound of flesh and sleep well." It details years spent working and paying taxes, but not reaping the benefits of what he considered to be a functional government.

"I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at 'big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough," the note reads.

Records show two of Stack's software companies had been suspended by the state tax board.

"I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less," he wrote.

Stack's family has not yet commented on the crash, but his wife -- who was mentioned by name in his suicide note -- is expected to speak today.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Welner told "Good Morning America" that while it may appear that Stack simply snapped under the weight of tax debt, it was clear from the suicide note that this had been brewing for some time.

"This is the kind of crime that's planned for a long time," Welner said. "I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he practiced."


Suicidal Texas Plane Crash: 'Crime of Rebellion'
Calling the attack a "crime of rebellion," Welner said it was obvious that Stack had planned the crash to maximize public attention by invoking both the Oklahoma City bombing of a federal building and the 9/11 terrorism attacks.

"I think it's important to distinguish this as a spectacle murder because it's carried out in order to get on the news," he said.

The Federal Aviation Administration told ABC News that Stack did not communicate with air traffic controllers once he got in the air around 9:40 a.m. nor did he file a flight plan.

Officials tod ABC News that once a man like Stack decides to plan this type of attack, there is very little they can do to stop it, especially once he's in the air and locked on a target.

Witnesses said Thursday that the plane appeared on a purposeful track, banking sharply as it flew over a major highway directly into the office building.

Beth Jones told ABCNews.com that she was headed downtown on Highway 183 when she spotted the plane overhead and immediately noticed how low it was flying.

"The plane was just coming down," she said. "He was so low you could actually see him in the plane." She said the plane flew "just straight, right in" to the complex.

Stack has been described as quiet. He had lived in his Austin neighborhood with wife Sheryl and their daughter for about three years, having moved from California.

Mechanic Dave Page, who used to work on Stack's plane in California, told ABC News that he was a hard-working guy.

"I think he pretty much, his life was work," he said. "He enjoyed doing what he did, he liked flying his airplane."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/texas-plane-crash-authorities-investigating-suicidal-pilot-joe/story?id=9885576

[Letsbereal]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html

(CNN) -- The latest news as it comes in to CNN from the scene of the crash of a small plane in Austin, Texas. (All times are ET, one hour ahead of local Austin time.)

12:38 p.m. The pilot of the plane had set his house on fire beforehand, stole the plane and crashed it intentionally, a federal official told CNN.

11:36 a.m.: A small airplane crashed into a building in Austin, Texas, Thursday morning, according to Lynn Lundsford of the Federal Aviation Administration.

The guy did not steal the plane, he owned it.  He burned the house down last night and the child and mother spent the night in the hotel.

Evidently a radio station in Texas had an interview with the aunt of the child and she spent the night with the mother and child in the motel. She said his car was at the hanger and that the plane was not there. She also stated that the description of the plane matched the description of his plane.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/texas/100218-austin-plane-crash-house-fire-connected

Updated: Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 12:08 PM CST
Published : Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 11:52 AM CST

DOUG DELONY

HOUSTON - In an interview with KLBJ radio, a woman says she believes the plane that crashed into an Austin office building on Thursday is that of an in-law who burned his house down the night before.

"My little niece is his step daughter," said the woman in an interview with KLBJ radio. "He burned their house down last night. My sister had gone over there last night to get them out of the house. They spent the night in a motel."

The woman, whose name was not immediately clear, went on to say the man's plane is now missing. She says the incident started as a domestic dispute.

"They checked before ten o'clock. His plane is gone. His car is at the hangar in Round Rock."

The woman says the description of the plane that crashed in Austin matches the description of the woman's family member.

Round Rock is located about 25 miles north of the crash site.

Federal officials tell FOX in Austin they are looking into the possibility the crash may not be an accident, however, Homeland Security has ruled out any possibility of terrorism.

Just received this in an abovetopsecret reply to a thread I started there.


Hey guys. I know Joe's wife through a family member. I can answer all of your questions.

Joe got word of the IRS disaster (well, this round of it) earlier in the week. He seemed to keep it to himself and then it appeared to eat at him as he got more and more angry as the days went by. On Wed, he pretty much blew up and got violent, causing Sheryl to leave with her daughter (his step-daughter). They went to a hotel for the night. Days before that, she changed her email address to a private host instead of sharing his mail server (she never explained why, just that it was "effective immediately"). Clearly, things were not going well at home.

I'm guessing the reason why the family wasn't mentioned is that they'd been married about three years, he wasn't really bonded with the girl, and he was upset with Sheryl leaving. He then turned that rage towards the IRS and boom.

The money goes deeper than you think, though. Yes, it's an expensive house (and was a nice one), but it was also full of new furniture and that delicious grand piano for Sheryl to teach with (she ran lessons out of the home; that's the undocumented income). The plane, he's had that for years. He wouldn't sell it because they used it practically every weekend to relax and be together. It had a lot of emotional value to them all.

So anyway, they were at the hotel overnight and in the morning she went home and found the house on fire. She went into a neighbor's house while the firefighters did their job. That's where the "and a neighbor saved her" or whatever BS came from. She was just ducking out to have a breakdown.

The "theft" of the plane was from journalists. Because there was no flight plan, some dip# presumed it was stolen, unaware of any situation were one might not need to be filed. So, it was his plane all along and the hangar was even in his name (and another fellow, unrelated to this incident).

So ... what else? This is just a case of a good guy having too much crap happen to him. He's no martyr and there's no grand conspiracy.

The conflicting accounts of the house fire and plane crash should not be surprising to anyone since it is commonplace, especially in cases involving traumatic incidents, to find wildly divergent eyewitness reports. That these unfiltered versions get reported without corroboration is illustrative of the current state of what passes for journalism these days.

As for the pilot's financial status, it is not at all unusual for a person to possess high value assets while, simultaneously, be on the verge of bankruptcy. If his debts far exceed the value of his assets, then he would be forced to file in order to protect at least some of what he owns.

There are many people who have found themselves in this kind of precarious situation through no fault of their own due to illness or being un/under-employed. I certainly have sympathy for them.

This coward tried to game the system and then, when he got caught, tried to paint himself as some altruistic patriot, willing to sacrifice himself for a greater good. In reality, he lacked the fortitude to fight the battle he started and, even worse, attempted to take others with him.

We are better off with him removed from the world. I hope other like-thinking individuals learn from Stack's gutless deed. He is going to be remembered as a weak loser who took the easy way out.

If that's how you want to be remembered, then by all means, go find a plane. If not, show some courage and face the music.


Now that makes sense and answers my questions.

For some reason I believe the guy.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160374.msg952559#msg952559

So lets say she checked 9:45 which is before 10:00 O’ clock – Plan crashes at 11:36 –> He flew around for 1 hour and 51 minutes – almost 2 hours which doesn’t make sense.

Say he just left at 10:00 he still would be 1 hour and 36 minutes in the air at the minimum.

Takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building???

Other question is why she decided to check the plane that particular morning and why the police was not immediately informed (or maybe they were?) and around the hangar just after the house fire discovery?

[NWOSCUM]

Where's the post about the NRO drill?  Am I missing something?

[bodygaurd]

You think that based on what?

 

From what the IRS did to my uncle. They drove him to suicide but he wasn't the kind of guy that felt people should have to come with him. He owned an RV dealership and instead of gouging the crap out of people, he gave them a fair deal and good service. It took off like a rocket and then he brought a Harley dealership. Same practices, same results. A few more dealerships and he was well on his way to the "American dream". Then suddenly the IRS got really interested in him. They went through his books & personal finances over and over for months and had an odd habit of showing up at his dealerships on big sale days which would scare customers off. Using some kind of fuzzy math that has never been explained, they decided he owed $6mil in taxes and of course they wanted "their" money NOW. Most of his money was tied up in his stock of vehicles so they seized everything. That should have been it but somehow that same fuzzy math worked it out that everything on his lots down to the H-D pins was worth $4.3 mil. So they took everything he and my aunt had.  So... he ate his shotgun.

Granted it wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag, but it wouldn't surprise me if those bastards drove this guy crazy.

[Freeski]

From what the IRS did to my uncle. They drove him to suicide but he wasn't the kind of guy that felt people should have to come with him. He owned an RV dealership and instead of gouging the crap out of people, he gave them a fair deal and good service. It took off like a rocket and then he brought a Harley dealership. Same practices, same results. A few more dealerships and he was well on his way to the "American dream". Then suddenly the IRS got really interested in him. They went through his books & personal finances over and over for months and had an odd habit of showing up at his dealerships on big sale days which would scare customers off. Using some kind of fuzzy math that has never been explained, they decided he owed $6mil in taxes and of course they wanted "their" money NOW. Most of his money was tied up in his stock of vehicles so they seized everything. That should have been it but somehow that same fuzzy math worked it out that everything on his lots down to the H-D pins was worth $4.3 mil. So they took everything he and my aunt had.  So... he ate his shotgun.

Granted it wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag, but it wouldn't surprise me if those bastards drove this guy crazy.

If true, then that's absolute evil. It's criminal, cruel, and calculated. To think a government agency would intentionally destroy a man's life and a model American business, (what, for the sake of making a point?), is a ridiculously scary thing to think! Think about the implications. It applies to every government program or service. It goes to the frame of mind of our overlords.

[Okinawa]

Wake Up America: The Looming Threat of Terrorists in Small Aircraft...and Cars
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/482
Fri, 02/19/2010 - 14:44 — dlindorff

The deliberate suicide crash bombing by a domestic terrorist pilot of a small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas has exposed a grave failure of the Homeland Security Department to protect us Americans from the threat posed by the virtually unregulated use in this country of small aircraft.

Just about anyone can own and fly a small plane, and these, as we have now seen, are readily adaptable into kamikazi missiles capable of destroying large buildings.

If Homeland Security won’t act, then it is up to Congress to move quickly to tighten up security and control over small planes. We need to insist that anyone seeking a pilot’s license first submit to a full screening by the FBI. No one with a criminal record of any kind should be permited to fly or ride in a small plane. The same should be true with regard to all foreigners. Since it’s not possible to do a full check of the background of persons from other countries, only US citizens should be able to obtain and fly small aircraft within US airspace.

All civil air pilots and their passengers should be required to pass through meal detectors before entering an airfield. We don’t want them carrying hand grenades or other weapons onto their planes. Planes should also be subject to full searches by specially trained government inspectors before takeoff to be sure they have not been packed with explosives.

But that’s not enough. We should ban all small aircraft from flying within a mile of any urban areas, and the military should be given authority to take down any plane that violates that rule. The Airforce should be ordered to have fighters, armed with loaded machine guns, in the air at all times, ready to be called into action if a small plane appears to be on a threatening flight path.

America cannot lower its guard.

After a would-be terrorist tried to take down a commercial plane over the Atlantic by hiding explosives in his shoe, Homeland Security responded appropriately by requiring all air travelers, from old men in wheelchairs to infants in booties, to remove their shoes and have them run through an Xray machine. When a terrorist wannabe tried to concoct an explosive from two jars of chemicals he had brought on board a plane, Homeland Security appropriately responded by banning toothpaste and all other liquid or semiliquid substances from carry-on bags--even women’s pancake makeup and lipstick. More recently, when terrorists developed the insidious underwear bomb, first used last December, Homeland Security responded with a plan to introduce backscatter Xray machines at all airports, which can see under people’s clothes (and allow TSA inspectors to view the private parts of traveling celebs).

These measures were fine as far as they go, but how can we now do less than crack down on the virtually unmonitored use of small planes in this country? Especially when we know that many of the wealthy folks who own their own set of wings are also the types who will easily fly off the handle at perceived insults from government bureaucrats.

Of course, while we’re at it, we need to consider the much bigger problem of the widespread access to cars and trucks, which are equally capable of being made into four-wheeled bombs. If a deranged man can use a plane to take out an IRS building, how long will it be before another equally deranged man or woman who fails a driver’s test decides to take out a motor vehicle office?

There is only one solution. We need to crack down heavily on who can obtain a driver’s license. Probably the best solution would be to require anyone seeking a drivers licence to first undergo psychological screening. Nobody found to have anger management difficulties, or any history of violent or aggressive behavior, should be allowed to own or drive a vehicle. (One good screening technique would be to slow down service at motor vehicle offices even more, and then to bar anyone who shows signs of impatience or anger from obtaining a license.)

Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not in favor of going overboard here. I’m certainly not suggesting that we start doing something draconian or unconstitutional like limiting gun sales, or preventing people from buying machine guns, bazookas, mobile rocket launchers or anything like that. That would be downright unAmerican. But we do need to crack down on the ability of terrorists, foreign or domestic, to get ahold of moving vehicles--airborne or ground-based--which in the wrong hands could be used to threaten Americans with mayhem.

The Austin IRS building attack was a wake-up call.

It’s time to act to keep Americans safe!

Comment:
When will we be asking for martial law to keep us safe? How about body scanners in every building including your home?

Yes, there is a solution... that is to regain the sovereignty of our country. Get involved locally and stand up for your rights to take care of your family and community.

[Rini200]

Well that didn't take long. They are already comparing him to the tea bag movement as expected. Here we go ppls! 

[Jackson Holly]

Thanks Okinawa ....

Psychological "screening" to own a car ...

warning to NWO ... you are pushing us to far.

[Col3_11n12]

From what the IRS did to my uncle. They drove him to suicide but he wasn't the kind of guy that felt people should have to come with him. He owned an RV dealership and instead of gouging the crap out of people, he gave them a fair deal and good service. It took off like a rocket and then he brought a Harley dealership. Same practices, same results. A few more dealerships and he was well on his way to the "American dream". Then suddenly the IRS got really interested in him. They went through his books & personal finances over and over for months and had an odd habit of showing up at his dealerships on big sale days which would scare customers off. Using some kind of fuzzy math that has never been explained, they decided he owed $6mil in taxes and of course they wanted "their" money NOW. Most of his money was tied up in his stock of vehicles so they seized everything. That should have been it but somehow that same fuzzy math worked it out that everything on his lots down to the H-D pins was worth $4.3 mil. So they took everything he and my aunt had.  So... he ate his shotgun.

That would explain why Slack burned his house down.

[Freeski]

So why do we continue to support them?

[chris jones]

This disaster is gaining attention by the reams, rightly so.

I feel for the victims, sincerly.

I wish that the million or so innocent Iraqis recieved the MSM attention this will. Yes, most of them civilians. Why not include our troops in the boots in that, the Pentagon claims 4,640 dead Americans soldiers, not including the walking dead or wounded, I say much more, and much more to come, though this will not be MSM material.

In any event, attention will turn to this, and be diverted from the origins of this abomination we find ourselfs in.

[Freeski]

This is about freedom.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160082.msg953287#msg953287

[agentbluescreen]

Thanks Okinawa ....

Psychological "screening" to own a car ...

warning to NWO ... you are pushing us to far.

Personally I have a very STRONG sneaking suspicion that we may have Rove, Bush, Beck and the CIA/Pentagon/Fed/FBI/IRS NWO Mafia et al by the short ones this time. I would pay a fortune to get a judge to issue a search warrant for the neighboring Echelon buildings and the main IRS office building in Austin for accelerants or bombs.

I have this eerie suspicion that he didn't crash his plane into the target they had planned for, goaded him and intended him to. Did his plane have one of his own autopilot systems in it?

Something is simply not right here, the MSM is too silent on this.  They hired 200 security guards and set up the Tiger Woods fiasco within minutes of them knowing SOMETHING that quite suddenly made them urgently desperate to change the "led story" subjects.

[Georgiacopguy]

People always like to accuse cops of having quotas, but I know for a fact IRS recovery agents have quotas that they have to fill. When they are handed a case file which has a certain dollar amount, they are not allowed to negotiate it below a certain value percentage, and they are pretty much given a blank check on how to go about recovering it, and using their discretion within the letter of the law, including grey areas like that guy detailed about them harassing his Uncle on sale days. If we were to pull half the shit the IRS pulls, we'd be under the jail.

If true, then that's absolute evil. It's criminal, cruel, and calculated. To think a government agency would intentionally destroy a man's life and a model American business, (what, for the sake of making a point?), is a ridiculously scary thing to think! Think about the implications. It applies to every government program or service. It goes to the frame of mind of our overlords.

[Freeski]

People always like to accuse cops of having quotas, but I know for a fact IRS recovery agents have quotas that they have to fill. When they are handed a case file which has a certain dollar amount, they are not allowed to negotiate it below a certain value percentage, and they are pretty much given a blank check on how to go about recovering it, and using their discretion within the letter of the law, including grey areas like that guy detailed about them harassing his Uncle on sale days. If we were to pull half the shit the IRS pulls, we'd be under the jail.

Government run amok, if you want to boil it down.

[agentbluescreen]

Wake Up America: The Looming Threat of Terrorists in Small Aircraft...and Cars
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/482

Wake Up America: The Looming Threat of Terrorists in Small Aircraft, Large Aircraft, Motorcycles, Boats, Trains, RV's, Buses, Tractors, Caterpillars, Trucks, Freighters, Balloons, Road Graders, Tanks, Stolen Fire Trucks, Armored Vehicles, Monster Trucks, Steamshovels, Front End Loaders, Private Space Rockets, Hijacked Trains,  ...and Cars,  

Everybody should be made to wear handcuffs unless or until a TSA agent unlocks them for them to conduct an allowed trip in an authorized vehicle.  Only then will freedom be safe again!

ROTFLMAO  

[trailhound]

So lets say she checked 9:45 which is before 10:00 O’ clock – Plan crashes at 11:36 –> He flew around for 1 hour and 51 minutes – almost 2 hours which doesn’t make sense.

Say he just left at 10:00 he still would be 1 hour and 36 minutes in the air at the minimum.

Takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building???

Other question is why she decided to check the plane that particular morning and why the police was not immediately informed (or maybe they were?) and around the hangar just after the house fire discovery?

And still be so full of fuel, eh?

[jofortruth]

FAA Registry - Plane was registered to Joseph A. Stack:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N2889D

End of Video Gives the Tail Number of plane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry32ankBUI

[carlee]

you never know where good info will come from check this out from the secret sun comments area   https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7454022&postID=1555433580847381322&isPopup=true

something odd here...

Joseph Andrew Stack
(AUSTIN TX - IRS crash) was also connected to PALO ALTO where he worked as a software engineer !!

PALO freakin' ALTO !

Palo Alto, where 3 TESLA EMPLOYEES died in a plane crash not but 24 hours earlier !!

...and his tail number N2289D was also registered as a civil number for a USAF Douglas A-26C Invader.

"Douglas A-26C-30-DT Invader s/n 44-35236 converted to On Mark Marketeer N2889D.

...and Joseph Andrew Stack's FAA registration on his Piper PA-28-236 with reported tail number N228D filing was linked to a PJ's Mail & Parcel postal drop box in Lincoln, California.

Unlike a large portion of civil small aircraft, no pictures exist of his plane in any database.


~SE~

8:35 PM            http://secretsun.blogspot.com/

@Chris,

I can never get used to writing in these tiny leave your comment boxes!!

all those tail numbers in my previous comment should have read as
"N2889D".

~SE~

8:50 PM

[carlee]

http://strangeye.blogspot.com/       

[trailhound]

you never know where good info will come from check this out from the secret sun comments area   https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7454022&postID=1555433580847381322&isPopup=true

something odd here...

Joseph Andrew Stack
(AUSTIN TX - IRS crash) was also connected to PALO ALTO where he worked as a software engineer !!

PALO freakin' ALTO !

Palo Alto, where 3 TESLA EMPLOYEES died in a plane crash not but 24 hours earlier !!

...and his tail number N2289D was also registered as a civil number for a USAF Douglas A-26C Invader.

"Douglas A-26C-30-DT Invader s/n 44-35236 converted to On Mark Marketeer N2889D.

...and Joseph Andrew Stack's FAA registration on his Piper PA-28-236 with reported tail number N228D filing was linked to a PJ's Mail & Parcel postal drop box in Lincoln, California.

Unlike a large portion of civil small aircraft, no pictures exist of his plane in any database.


~SE~

8:35 PM            http://secretsun.blogspot.com/

@Chris,

I can never get used to writing in these tiny leave your comment boxes!!

all those tail numbers in my previous comment should have read as
"N2889D".

~SE~

8:50 PM

interesting
http://strangeye.blogspot.com/

AND THE SPOOKIEST HIGH WEIRDNESS:


Dave Page worked on Joseph Stack's plane at Lincoln airport

    LINCOLN, CA - An airplane mechanic who worked on Joseph Stack's plane expressed shock over the news that the pilot may have deliberately flown his plane into an Austin office building Thursday morning.

    "It was uncharacteristic of the Joseph Stack I knew," said Dave Page, who worked on Stack's plane between 1999 and 2000 at a Lincoln Regional Airport maintenance facility.

    Page said Stack flew his PA-28-236 Dakota to Palo Alto where he worked as a software engineer.

    "The fellow I knew was a pretty upbeat guy. Hard-working guy, flew to the Bay Area almost everyday for work. He was a musician. One time he built his own experimental aircraft, a real busy guy. But to see this news, I can't believe it." said Page.

    Page said when Stack moved to Texas several years ago, he mentioned the tax laws were better in Texas than in California.

    "He made a few comments about the tax structure was favorable and he was looking forward to getting down there and out of California," said Page.

    Property records reveal Stack had ties to Lincoln for 27 years. He lived in the Auburn Creek Apartments on O Street between December 1997 and May of 1998.

    Stack also maintained a mailbox at PJ's Mail & Parcel Service on Sixth Street between 1997 and 2005. Owner Polly Rowan said she spoke with Stack regularly when he picked up his mail.

    "Probably just small talk. I don't think I really had a long conversation with him," said Rowan.





Joe Stack is connected to PALO ALTO !!!

Where 3 TESLA MOTORS employees were killed in another plane crash just 24 hours earlier... (see earlier portion of this article)

[trailhound]

http://strangeye.blogspot.com/

Now let's speculate...

If you were designing a project to locate all possible civil dissidents via the internet using the ECHELON systems which have been in constant and perfect operation for well over a decade now (more like 5 since creation), it would be beneficial to the training exercise to have a real event to work with.

If you've previously located a financially troubled individual through the IRS and tax data and identified them medically/genetically as potentially unstable you set up "a series of unfortunate events" to occur in the individual's life. The tax dept. (IRS) could be used to create hardship and added stress in the life of individual. You could make sure that contracts or jobs were not awarded to the individual. You could employ auditory microwave "thought warfare" equipment to push the individual to the brink of sanity. You could use the same equipment to create auditory events which to the individual would be very difficult to distinguish from his/her own thoughts.

Once you have the individual "pushed to the edge" you can easilty cripple their weakend sanity through the employment of the same equipment, by suggesting violent or revolutionary acts directly via microwave to the individual's mind. (ref: the Jesse Ventura TruTV Conspiracy Theory episode in which the former US State of MINnesota Governor and former Navy SEAL, Jesse Ventura, demonstrates the use of this type of technology).

You could then use your CYBER-WARFARE teams or private think-tanks, as part of a project to create materials to be used in future domestic terror training scenarios, to create a manifesto and place it on a server. You would do that if attempts to dictate the manifesto to the target individual and have them personally place it on a site, fail.

Once the "training material" is in place you could then attack a building with a separate and compartmentalized team using remote control aircraft.

When the event actually occurs, you send out your real assembled cyber-teams to spider the net with search bots and locate any information which may relate to the event in question.

You would let the media and normal human behavior and reaction whip the story up into a frenzy and then release the planted material discovered and retrieved by the spider search bots to mass mainstream media.

You would then use the ECHELON system to monitor all traffic for agreement with the principles outlined in your "training manifesto" and thereby discovering and uncovering a large portion of the sympathizers within your national borders.

You would then flag those individuals discovered for closer monitoring and scrutiny to determine who may be an actual threat to national security.

PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION
ORDO ab CHAO...
agenda realized.

...and Voila, at the same time a perfect and successful training op for new personnel using a "real-world" (but contrived) scenario.


...and if a no-mind simpleton blogger like me thought of it, you had BETTER believe the evil geniuses over at the RAND think-tank have as well...

[jflack]

9/11 mentioned 5 times in this article

Austin plane crash exposes gap in US air security

By MICHELLE ROBERTS and MICHAEL TARM, Associated Press Writers Michelle Roberts And Michael Tarm, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 6 mins ago

GEORGETOWN, Texas – After 9/11, cockpit doors were sealed, air marshals were added and airport searches became more aggressive, all to make sure an airliner could never again be used as a weapon. Yet little has been done to guard against attacks with smaller planes.

That point was driven home with chilling force on Thursday when a Texas man with a grudge against the IRS crashed his single-engine plane into an office building in a fiery suicide attack. One person inside the building was also killed.

"It's a big gap," said R. William Johnstone, an aviation security consultant and former staff member of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks. "It wouldn't take much, even a minor incident involving two simultaneously attacking planes, to inflict enough damage to set off alarm bells and do some serious harm to the economy and national psyche."

The suburban Georgetown Municipal Airport that pilot Joe Stack entered hours before his airborne attack in nearby Austin had the casual atmosphere of a sleepy parking garage. Pilots were not subject to baggage checks, metal detector scans or pat-downs. And they are usually not required to file flight plans.

"How are they going to stop it? This guy had a hangar, and he had access to the airport," said Beth Ann Jenkins, president of Pilot's Choice, a flight school near where Stack kept his Piper.

Travis McLain, manager of the airport, said: "I don't know of a rule or regulation or safety precaution that could have prevented what happened yesterday."

The easy access and lack of security are the result of years of debate — and stalemate — over how much of a threat small aircraft pose as terror weapons and how they could be regulated without stifling commerce and pilot freedom.

While the airlines quickly accepted tougher security after Sept. 11, the general aviation industry, which includes everything from privately owned propeller-driven planes to large corporate jets, have aggressively fought new measures.

The proposed rules would require that operators of medium and large general-aviation aircraft demonstrate that flight crews have undergone a criminal background check. They would also be required to verify passengers are not on the no-fly lists already used by large airlines.

Private pilots fly approximately 200,000 small and medium-size planes in the U.S., using 19,000 airports, most of them small. The planes' owners insist the aircraft have nothing in common with airliners but the sky.

"I don't see a gaping security hole here," said Tom Walsh, an aviation security consultant. "In terms of aviation security, there are much bigger fish to fry than worrying about small aircraft."

He said most would-be terrorists would draw the same conclusion — that tiny aircraft don't pack a big enough punch.

Planes like Stack's weigh just a few thousands pounds and carry no more than 100 gallons of fuel, he noted. A Boeing 767 weighs 400,000 pounds and carries up to 25,000 gallons of fuel.

Walsh and other general aviation advocates argue that stringent security and bureaucracy would deter recreational fliers and slow down a vibrant, multibillion-dollar general aviation industry, causing economic damage.

"What it comes down to is that the cure could be worse than the disease," he said.

Jeffrey Price, a Denver-based aviation expert, said: "If I own my plane, I can drive to the airport, get in and just take off. Pilots want that sense of freedom. ... Like motorcycle riders."

Every pilot, from the beginner student to the commercial airline pilot, is checked against the government's terror watchlist. Also, under federal rules imposed after Sept. 11, people enrolling in flight schools must show proof of U.S. citizenship or, if they are foreigners, must undergo a background check.

All pilots of every stripe must have with them every time they fly a medical certificate attesting to their health. The certificate is based on a physical exam, but the application form also includes questions about the pilot's mental health. Stack's medical certificate was current, dated May 2009. He was an instrument rated pilot, able to fly single-engine and multiengine airplanes, and no enforcement action had ever been taken against him.

Beyond that, however, most security measures at general aviation airports are voluntary.

The Transportation Department's inspector general, Richard L. Skinner, reviewed security at several general aviation airports last year, including three in the Houston area, and concluded that general aviation "presents only limited and mostly hypothetical threats to security."

Skinner did endorse efforts to lock or disable parked planes to prevent people bent on mayhem from stealing them.

Tougher restrictions were debated after Sept. 11 and after a few incidents in which pilots deliberately crashed small planes into buildings.

In 1994, a Maryland truck driver with a history of instability crashed a plane on the south lawn of the White House. In 2002, a 15-year-old boy stole a plane and crashed it into a downtown skyscraper in Tampa, Fla. Pilots of small planes have also frequently flown into the secure airspace over the key government buildings in Washington.

The general aviation lobby has exerted its considerable clout to fend off new measures. The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, or AOPA, National Business Aviation Association, National Air Transportation Association and General Aviation Manufacturers Association spent $6 million lobbying in Washington last year.

"There was no way to impose one overall security structure that would fit every general aviation airport's needs," said AOPA spokesman Chris Dancy. The association has about 400,000 members.

At the Georgetown airport, where 240 small aircraft are based, manager McLain said she hopes Stack's suicidal attack doesn't lead to an overreaction.

"I would hope that common sense and cooler heads would prevail," McLain said.

___

Associated Press Writers Joan Lowy and Sharon Theimer in Washington also contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100220/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_small_planes

[starvosan]

I have noticed that a lot of these major events have smaller, less well publicized ''follow on'' incidents.  Late last night, some joker stole a small airplane from a municipal field here in San Diego and landed on the runways of Los Angeles International Airport at 3am.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/19/oceanside-man-accused-stealing-plane/

The propaganda has been suitably catapulted.

[bodygaurd]

If true, then that's absolute evil. It's criminal, cruel, and calculated. To think a government agency would intentionally destroy a man's life and a model American business, (what, for the sake of making a point?), is a ridiculously scary thing to think! Think about the implications. It applies to every government program or service. It goes to the frame of mind of our overlords.

In all honesty, I think that they look at a group of honest, hardworking, playing-by-the-rules people and then pick one or two to screw over so others will be afraid to really let their talents shine. This keeps the number of rich people manageable and lets them know they could get shut down by the real elite too