Austin, TX False Flag NRO "Plane into Building" drill comes to life

[Guns Equal Freedom]

Atleast there is some good news.

The guy wasn't a Tea-Bagger.

http://www.infowars.com/news-that-joe-stack-was-not-a-tea-party-member-disappoints-obamanoids/

News That Joe Stack Was Not A Tea Party Member Disappoints Obamanoids

[Guns Equal Freedom]

While the guy wasn't a Tea-Bagger.

The "Left Wing Spin Machine" will probably to call him a "Right Wing Extremist" and categorize him as a "Tea-Bagger" though.

 

[Georgiacopguy]

And that makes sense. That post was alos made BEFORe we learned he had set a bomb in his car before taking off. So it makes sense that he would use accelerants. I only cited the cost of the home ot possibly reference its size though. And accelerants or not, coupled with a 5 minute response, they should have been able ot salvage far more than a shell of the home, unless he saturated every room with gasoline.

But this is pretty much a non issue in the grand scope of things, because I was pointing out that he had to have used accelerants in order to get a fire that hot, that fast, that could do that much damage, and without saying so, I was attempting to highlight he(they) may have been trying to hide something. But after your last two posts, I have to wonder...why are YOU here?

Then you should also know as I do, having many friends who were volunteers and some who are on paid departments, that a structure fire can take off pretty quickly depending upon what excellerant was used in setting the fire.

Additionally, if a structure is fully involved when you arrive on scene and you know that the people at the residence are outside of it, what in the world would you go in the structure for?  You take a defensive stance and make sure that it doesn't spread to adjacent homes.

In case you have forgotten as well, water doesn't work too well on a fire that is started with gasoline, which if he torched the house is probably what he used and used a lot of it.  Once lit it would take off like a dried out Christmas tree that was dry as a bone.  Hence forth, the $300,000 home burned pretty quickly.  The price of the home does not indicated how quickly or not it will go up.  Come on, you of all should know better than that.  

[Georgiacopguy]

Yeahhhhh it seems you are a skeptics skeptic... While I remain a skeptic until faced with evidence you just remain a skeptic DESPITE the evidence, if your post history is ANY indication at all. We finally get this thread back on target, and then you start dragging out old crap, and unimportant points. Maybe your nickname needs to be OINKbabe...and the babe part is questionable. Stupid COINTELPRO. Wasting our tax dollars when we are going broke as a country.

[Tokiem]

So it's more logical that 19 cavemen pulled it off?

   

[agentbluescreen]

Have you ever visited the WTC site, prior to the towers coming down?  I had been there numerous times, since I lived in NJ and NYC was only a little more than an hour and 30 minute drive or less depending upon how the traffic was.  That entire complex of buildings were put in rather close proximity to one another.  When you have two 110 story buildings come down, don't you think that the building around are going to sustain some sort of structural damage?  That part of Manhattan is literally building, next to building, next to building.  Henceforth if one comes down, others are going to be damaged.

With all due respect your observations with respect to WTC7 are totally false. WTC7 was over a football field away from the nearest main WTC Tower. In contrast buildings not part of the WTC complex RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET SUrvived just fine despite severe damage from BOTH "falling" and explosively projectile debris (with or without thermate still burning on it)

 Also, I saw this one post that referred to the clouds of smoke as pyroclastic clouds due to their appearance.  Well don't forget that there was a huge amount of jet fuel there in those buildings after the planes were slammed into them.  Jet fuel is even more explosive than regular gasoline because there is more pure gasoline in it than regular fuel that we put in our vehilces.  Just look at racing fuel that they use in stock cars, like NASCAR.  That stuff is super octane (over 104 I believe) and it can really cause one hell of an explosion if something sparks it.  The same with the Indy car series.  They use a methane type fuel and that stuff is way, way, way explosive.

Jet fuel is FAR LESS Explosive than most comparable fuels precisely because large quantitates of it are necessary for long international/overseas flights. It is the same as the kerosene you buy at the hardware store for safe domestic kerosene heaters, it has a very low burning temperature and relatively high "flash point" much higher than gasoline fumes for instance. This is not super high octane AA class racing gasoline! That is catastrophically far more dangerous explosive and burns at far higher temperatures (if you can call it burning at all, it is explosive). Diesel is far harder to ignite and burns much hotter than kerosine as well, but since it is unrefined and still very oily, it doesn't evaporate into fumes well, so it's "flash point" is far higher as well. Diesel engines have a VERY hard time starting in the cold, even with white-hot glow plugs turned on..

You cannot "burn" gasoline. It Explodes at all normal temperatures and pressures - ever hear of some idiot blowing up his house using it in a washer or later in the clothes dryer? Ever hear what happens if you try to use it to start a barbecue?

I am not saying that there aren't some questions about 9/11.  However, since it seems that we can't keep any type of secret in this country about anything, don't you think by now, someone somewhere would have gone to some news source and especially if they were in the know, giving documents to show that there was this huge conspiracy?  Common, in a government that is just looking to score whatever points it can and seeing as how many people hated Bush/Cheney, they would have done back flips to put the screws to them.  There would have been too many people involved at too many levels for things not to leak out or for someone looking to make a name for themselves and a ton of money on top of it, to stay silent.  

When people are anti-"Christianist" Satan-deity worshipping pedophiles, it's very easy to ALWAYS AND FOREVER keep them all in line, "no problemo"...

[chris jones]

You have a creative imagination...What proof do you have the underwear bomber was a govt op?..

I have no proof, however it has been admitted by the FBI he was under survelance, that he was brought on the plane by a suited indivdual who obviously had creds.
My take, his controller had a halfwit willing to attach a incendiary devise to his ballsaks. That to me is a giveaway of the controllers sence of humor. Nah, he wasn't an op, he was a dupe.
Who profits, well lets see, those body scanner manafactureres sure get a bit of dough, and the security firms will emplode, add to that the FEAR for the average MSM informed beleiver.
Not to worry, the gov has his hands on him he will definelty be given a script when if he should be allowed to open his mouth before he falls down a flight of stairs.

[agentbluescreen]

Now Kerosene is Nitro-Methane LOL


Kerosene (jet fuel) is not a rocket fuel. It needs to be HYPER-COMPRESSED in order to extract optimum power from it, it's the one "fuel" that actually only "burns" at one of the lowest possible temperatures among all other forms of petroleum distillates. This is the very dichotomy that makes jets and turbojets practical, safer and more efficient than internal combustion engines.

[xfahctor]

 Just want to inject a few thoughts on something I saw touched on in this thread. I am not going to attempt to argue 9/11 in here, but here is a little something that may help you guys out in the future. Something that keeps comming up is the burning jet fuel subject and how it was simply not hot enough to do the damage it did. While that is in fact correct, it should be noted that jet fuel was far from the only thing burning. Lets not forget things like carpet, office furniture and such which DO burn at incredbly high temperatures. There was ALOT of stuff burning in those buildings. If you want to more succesfully argue your case, you should steer clear of the jet fuel argument. I, like you guys, want truth. But truth is only going to come by solid arguments.

[HYDROGENPAL]

They found his body they announced that already.

Ok they found a body! who's body and are there signs of restraint or force?

[chris jones]

This will be blanketed. Thats it, ya they have the body, so what, does anyone trust their spin.
The only witnesses to this disaster will be chosen and or scholled by the FIRM.
I doubt any independent investigation will be allowed in any way, manner or form.
As for evidence, they have allready laid out the platform.

They won't get over on us, but you can bet your bip they will BS the SM's.

[Freeski]

Ok they found a body! who's body and are there signs of restraint or force?

Not to mention time of death, cause of death, death before or after the crash, and presence or not of drugs.

[HYDROGENPAL]

Kvue News just reported that they have not recovered pilots body but two other bodies have been recovered.

[James Redford]

And we agree, that was their intent apparently, to alienate us, and label us dangerous, and I too expect it to get worse i nthe near future. If what Alex said about April holds true, we are in for the deep stuff then. Hell, yesterday morning, Beck was trying to turn us agaisnt Medina claiming she had betrayed us by denouncing us. He was playing the old divide and conquer in plain sight, hours before this attack, which would I guess in their minds splinter us apart or alienate us ot where we would not feel as though we could openly converse. So they had several end runs in play at the same time to splinter us.

My point is that I see people throwing around the word thermite like its the holy grail of conspriacy theory. Which it is, as it relates to 9/11. However upon looking at the pics and vids of this attack, it's obvious to me that thermite palyed no part. For us to claim it does makes us look like loons. We have to keep the facts straight and not confuse theories with the facts. We are on the same page as far as what we suspect happened yesterday, and why it happened, and if we play our cards right, we wont come out of this sounding like fringe theory like we did with 9/11, but as a force to be reckoned with, because our facts are unquestionable. Bad theory can splinter us into factions of thought, just like the whole no planers versus planers debate. Now is not really the time to have fractional thinking.

Who is saying that thermite was used in the Austin attack?

[agentbluescreen]

Just want to inject a few thoughts on something I saw touched on in this thread. I am not going to attempt to argue 9/11 in here, but here is a little something that may help you guys out in the future. Something that keeps comming up is the burning jet fuel subject and how it was simply not hot enough to do the damage it did. While that is in fact correct, it should be noted that jet fuel was far from the only thing burning. Lets not forget things like carpet, office furniture and such which DO burn at incredbly high temperatures. There was ALOT of stuff burning in those buildings. If you want to more succesfully argue your case, you should steer clear of the jet fuel argument. I, like you guys, want truth. But truth is only going to come by solid arguments.

Like all of the "jet fuel" in WTC 7 that wasn't even near any building that was hit by a jet plane?

Furnishings do not "combust" or burn at temperatures sufficient to melt or warp steel, gasoline however, does!  So why is this Echelon largely empty steel and concrete, sparton Bauhaus-style office tower still standing?

Ever seen a steel beam after a garage fire?  (where explosive gasoline in parked vehicles is the accelerant?)

[EvadingGrid]

Just want to inject a few thoughts on something I saw touched on in this thread. I am not going to attempt to argue 9/11 in here, but here is a little something that may help you guys out in the future. Something that keeps comming up is the burning jet fuel subject and how it was simply not hot enough to do the damage it did. While that is in fact correct, it should be noted that jet fuel was far from the only thing burning. Lets not forget things like carpet, office furniture and such which DO burn at incredbly high temperatures. There was ALOT of stuff burning in those buildings. If you want to more succesfully argue your case, you should steer clear of the jet fuel argument. I, like you guys, want truth. But truth is only going to come by solid arguments.

Wrong, Office Furniture is highly regulated - nowadays.

[Dewk]

    I think it is more of a false flag attack, more then an attack on the taxman or big brother.

[Sheepleprod]

Like all of the "jet fuel" in WTC 7 that wasn't even near any building that was hit by a jet plane?

Furnishings do not "combust" or burn at temperatures sufficient to melt or warp steel, gasoline however, does!  So why is this Echelon largely empty steel and concrete, sparton Bauhaus-style office tower still standing?

Ever seen a steel beam after a garage fire?  (where explosive gasoline in parked vehicles is the accelerant?)

This +1000

[xfahctor]

Like all of the "jet fuel" in WTC 7 that wasn't even near any building that was hit by a jet plane?

Furnishings do not "combust" or burn at temperatures sufficient to melt or warp steel, gasoline however, does!  So why is this Echelon largely empty steel and concrete, sparton Bauhaus-style office tower still standing?

Ever seen a steel beam after a garage fire?  (where explosive gasoline in parked vehicles is the accelerant?)

There was no jet fuel burning in number 7, but there were plenty of other things. Do you know the materials of every piece of furnishing and carpet in any of the WTC buildings? Do you know the temps they burn at? If not, again, I would steer clear of it. This is the standard that should be applied if this is ever going to be taken seriously by more folks. Listen, I'm on your side here....I may not believe everything that comes through this forum but I'm not the enemy by any stretch of the imagination.  
 As for why is Echelon still standing? Couldn't tell ya and not going to try. I don't know the architectural details of the building, which I can only assume were different than those of the WTC buildings....I really don't have an answer for you though.
 Another thought....why is it not possible for 9/11 to be a false flag with out the elaborately constructed theory though?....It could well be as simple as TPTB, using an agent like "Bin Laden" who in turn found and convinced 19 patsies who genuinely (and gullibly) believed they were fighting for "al-quieda" to fly 4 planes in to buildings. Why could it not be as simple as that?
 

[Sheepleprod]

There was no jet fuel burning in number 7, but there were plenty of other things. Do you know the materials of every piece of furnishing and carpet in any of the WTC buildings? Do you know the temps they burn at? If not, again, I would steer clear of it. This is the standard that should be applied if this is ever going to be taken seriously by more folks. Listen, I'm on your side here....I may not believe everything that comes through this forum but I'm not the enemy by any stretch of the imagination.  
 As for why is Echelon still standing? Couldn't tell ya and not going to try. I don't know the architectural details of the building, which I can only assume were different than those of the WTC buildings....I really don't have an answer for you though.
 Another thought....why is it not possible for 9/11 to be a false flag with out the elaborately constructed theory though?....It could well be as simple as TPTB, using an agent like "Bin Laden" who in turn found and convinced 19 patsies who genuinely (and gullibly) believed they were fighting for "al-quieda" to fly 4 planes in to buildings. Why could it not be as simple as that?
 

Based on the same lack of evidence you are asking us to "Steer clear"  from    I mean Silverstein saying they were going to pull the building that wasn't a bit questionable ?  Elaborately Constructed?  Oh you mean like the Official govt story ok 

[xfahctor]

Based on the same lack of evidence you are asking us to "Steer clear"  from    I mean Silverstein saying they were going to pull the building that wasn't a bit questionable ?  Elaborately Constructed?  Oh you mean like the Official govt story ok 

Well, what to you is the simpler more demonstrable theory? The one I posed...or the multitude of elaborate theories perported in this forum and in the truth movement? Bear in mind the one I pose does not eliminate it as a flase flag. If I was to pull a false flag, I would want it to be done as simply and untracably as possible. The last thing I would do is constuct a plot involving hundreds of people, massive infastructre and logistics, tons of tech and depend on some pretty precise timing and coordination. No, if it was me that was put in charge of pulling of 9/11, I would simply have gone to my agent (Bin Laden) and had him recruit 19 sheep and convince them under the guise of a Jihad to do it. Much fewer loose ends and much harder to trace down and expose.

[Dig]

Hey NRO, how stupid do you think we are?


National Reconnaissance Office
plane-into-building exercise during 9/11

http://www.oilempire.us/nro.html

The US National Reconnaissance Office, which operates spy satellites, was conducting a simulation of a plane crash into their headquarters (near Dulles Airport in Virginia) on September 11!

For more about the NRO, see www.fas.org/irp/nro/index.html

This war game was not a "terrorism" exercise - but it did simulate a plane going off course (on the approach to nearby Dulles Airport) and crashing into the NRO's headquarters, control center for US spy satellites. This war game was to test the emergency response procedures in the event of this type of accident, and included practice evacuation of the buildings. It is very damning that the war game planners (of all of the war games, not merely this one) ensured that the NRO's headquarters was largely evacuated at precisely the time that 9/11 was taking place, which minimized the number of officials who were able to monitor the events via the Pentagon's satellite intelligence systems.

On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building
www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL

JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer Wednesday, August 21, 2002

(08-21) 15:08 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

"Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building"
By John J. Lumpkin, Associated Press
WASHINGTON [September 2002]

"In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

"Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport. Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.
The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA

www.questionsquestions.net/topics/question.html

today's question...

Brian Salter, qq editor

5 June 2003: Why were 3000 NRO employees sent home after 9/11?

There have been a number of disinfo limited hangouts floating around, all of them designed to offer apparently revealing inside details of 9/11 but actually serving the purpose of whitewashing evidence of US govt. complicity. One which has been hanging around for a while centers on the terrorist training exercise that the NRO (National Reconaissance Office) had scheduled the same morning of the attacks. The super-secret NRO happens to be the agency which operates US spy satellites.

A mainstream article about it is here:

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

The limited hangout build around this is that the 9/11 "terrorists" somehow learned about the secret exercise in advance, and "piggybacked" their own attack on the same date in order to confuse US defences. This is used as a supposed explanation for lack of action on prior warnings, failure of air defences to operate, etc, on the assumption that military and intel personnel thought that everything going on was part of the the "exercise". I don't know of any serious 9/11 researcher who finds this a credible overall theory, given the fact that there is an abundance of evidence pointing beyond such a scenario, to official complicity and specific prior knowledge. This has been discussed very thoroughly among researchers.

That aside, there is an interesting detail in the above article:

"The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said."
Sent home... why?? Recently, I heard one alternative speculation about this which deserves some inquiry. Namely, that certain high-ranking NRO staff may have needed this time to eliminate or alter satellite surveillance of the Washington, DC area during the attacks. Note that it has been alleged for years that the US has 24 hour high resolution satellite monitoring of the capitol and surrounding regions, where critical government institutions are located. If so, there would then be a record of Flight 77's flight path and imact. Would there be something there to hide?
With the recent 9/11 Commission hearings on 9/11 air defences having stirred up debate, this is perhaps something to consider.

[Dig]

Alex Jones... They may blow something up.

Ron Paul... They may blow something up.

Michael Weiner Savage... They may blow something up.


THEY JUST BLEW SOMETHING UP.


Echelon Building? Is this for real? HOW IS THIS NOT A FALSE FLAG?

Echelon?

Echelon?

THIS IS THE ENTIRE PLOT OF THE MOVIE DEJA VU AS FAR AS THE PATSY MESSAGING!

[Blank Reg]

This is the absolute key point.  THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THAT PLANE CAUSED THAT KIND OF DESTRUCTION AND A "BIG FIREBALL".

Link that to the fact that NO ONE KNEW OF STACK AS POLITICAL.  He was taken, killed, put in a remote controlled plane and flown into the building.  His website was hacked and the false manifesto was posted.  They torched his house.  There was no participation in this by Joe Stack whatsoever.  He was simply identified and profiled as a likely patsy and then set up.

The plane was either packed with explosives or the building was rigged.  Note:  the building was half empty.  Note: the was a much larger IRS building in the area that would have made a much better target for the supposed purpose. 

TOTAL, CLASSIC FALSE FLAG!

[Dig]

Evading Grid has exposed the messaging just like on 9/11 with pics of Bin Laden...now Rothschild/Rockefeller/Bilderberg has already solved the crime (Bilderberg has psychic abilitites, almost like they knew this attack would happen-duh!!!)

I did notice the almost total silence in the british media, indicating it was a domestic op aimed at a domestic audiance, 'cause over in other countries Joe Stack might have got sympathy.

Mean while the crazies have been publishing stories like this :

Also note there was too much to highlight, to many times they mention violence, and other awful lies

Radical Anti-tax Groups Growing Threat, Say Law Enforcement

Fox (Bilderberg Alliance Nazi Press)
Feb 19 2010

 Joseph Stack, the 53-year-old software engineer who crashed his small plane into a seven-story office building in Austin, Texas, was part of a growing, violent anti-tax and anti-government movement that has become increasingly alarming to law enforcement agencies.

Stack, who torched his home Thursday morning before setting out on his suicide flight, was fueled by his hatred of the Internal Revenue Service, which had offices and employed nearly 200 workers in the building.

In his wake he left a rambling and lengthy online manifesto in which he railed against big government, bank bailouts and the IRS and revealed his decades-long involvement in the anti-tax movement and the evolution of his beliefs.

Experts are pointing to the incident as further evidence of what they say is a proliferation of anti-government militia groups.


"There is a real rage out there, and this terrible attack may be a reflection of that," Mark Potok, the director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, said in a statement to FOXNews.com. The SPLC has been studying the resurgence in anti-government militias and groups, which it attributes to a perfect storm of economic, political and social factors.

"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Potok said.

There was an immediate response to Stack's violent act on anti-government and anti-tax blogs, and on Facebook, where multiple fan pages attracted hundreds of followers within hours of the plane crash.

"Half of them are making this guy into a hero, that's scary stuff. The other half is saying that this guy's a victim," said J.J. MacNab, a Maryland-based insurance analyst who has testified before Congress on the anti-tax movement and is writing a book on the subject.

She said anti-tax, anti-government protesters did not condone Stack setting his house on fire, "but the tax protest movement is not condemning him."

Tax protesters have a history of violence against the IRS, MacNab said. But she said Stack's method of attack - a suicide mission - was unusual. The anti-tax protester's favorite weapon, she said, is a bomb.

"He is not your typical tax protester, but he got angry like the rest of them," MacNab told FOXNews.com. "He's had lots and lots of tax problems, spanning back to the mid-1980s."

According to the SPLC, there were five domestic terrorist plots against the IRS between 1995 and 2009; an IRS building in Austin was the target of a plot 15 years ago.

"In the 1990s, the combustible mix of rising antigovernment anger and the growth in militias was a recipe for disaster that ultimately resulted in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh, who was motivated by antigovernment hatred," read a blog post on SPLC's Web site after Stack's attack.

Stack's manifesto offers insight into his personal journey as a tax protester - and into the large and growing movement that attracted him.

Passages of Stack's manifesto suggest that he was involved in a notorious home church scheme that was popular in the part of California where he lived before he moved to Texas, MacNab said.

Stack wrote that he was part of a group who held tax code readings and "zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful 'exemptions' that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy."

He said they had "the best high-paid experienced tax lawyers in the business."

MacNab said Stack likely was referring to a notorious scheme run by lawyers William Drexler and Jerome Daly. It was based on the idea that citizens could establish themselves as a church and gain the same tax exemptions afforded to religious institutions.

The scheme didn't work, and Drexler and Daly were disbarred and imprisoned. If this was the operation Stack was referring to, it may have been a turning point in his life. He wrote:

"That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my
retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie."

This inspired him to take action, write to politicians and meet with likeminded anti-tax protesters. He wrote: "I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity."

His anti-tax and anti-government beliefs may also have been fueled by Section 1706, an obscure and relatively unknown change in the tax code that focused on his industry and went into effect in 1986. Section 1706 essentially removed technical workers like software engineers from a safe haven classification of "self-employed consultant," making it easier for the IRS to challenge how Information Technology companies classified their employers.

An association of IT companies and industry professionals, now called TechServe Alliance, was created to protest the changes in tax law that it says singled out the industry.

"It made the whole business riskier for people using independent contractors because it favored the so-called employment business model," Mark Roberts, TechServe CEO, told FoxNews.com. "It created havoc on a number of folks."

Roberts was quick to condemned Stack's behavior as "an act of a very, very sick individual."

"I don't see a long-term lasting effect, just a troubled wayward person acting in response to a legitimate issue. But I don't think that actually impacts the issue," Roberts said.

Noting that Section 1706 was passed years ago, he added: "We still resent the fact that it singles out the industry, but folks have basically learned to adapt. It's kind of been awhile since this was a burning issue in the industry."

[James Redford]

You have a creative imagination...What proof do you have the underwear bomber was a govt op?..

You apparently haven't been paying attention to the case. The U.S. Department of State admitted that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was ordered to be let onto the flights into the U.S. despite the fact that he was on the terrorist watch list and so wasn't allowed into the U.S. The State Department's excuse for this action was because they didn't want to tip him off that they were on to him. But this explanation makes no sense, because Abdulmutallab was also illegally let into the U.S. without a passport via the help of a sharp-dressed man. Such illegal special treatment would have obviously tipped off Abdulmutallab that some people with lots of pull had taken a special interest in him had he been paying the slightest attention to such matters. And that's just some of the many incriminating details surrounding this case. For more on some of that, see the below articles:

"Alarm bells that went unheeded: Even bomber's own father named him as a fanatic," David Gardner, Daily Mail (U.K.), December 28, 2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1238810/Alarm-bells-went-unheeded-Even-bombers-father-named-fanatic.html

"Man Videotaped Underwear Bomber On Flight 253," Kurt Nimmo, Infowars.com, December 28, 2009 http://www.infowars.com/man-videotaped-underwear-bomber-on-flight-253/

"Terror suspect kept visa to avoid tipping off larger investigation," Nathan Hurst, Detroit News, January 27, 2010 http://detnews.com/article/20100127/NATION/1270405/Terror-suspect-kept-visa-to-avoid-tipping-off-larger-investigation

"Authorities Quietly Reverse Underwear Bomber Official Story: Eyewitness Kurt Haskell’s description of accomplice vindicated after weeks of denial," Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet.com, January 28, 2010 http://www.prisonplanet.com/authorities-quietly-reverse-underwear-bomber-official-story.html

"The Truth About Flight 253 Has Been Revealed," Kurt Haskell, Lori's Liberal Realm, January 28, 2010 http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/truth-about-flight-253-has-been.html

[Dig]

All small planes are now obviously a false flag terror device by illuminazi banksters. Every single plane crash you hear about, the first thing in your cerebral cortex should be National Reconnaissance Office (a division of Bilderberg Banksters).

There is so much fricking evidence that these small planes are used for assassinations (Wellstone, JFK, Jr., Franklin Cover Up) that it is a given to first investigate the NRO before anything else.

Just listen to a master break down how these planes are controlled and what to look for as far as NRO/CIA/Mossad fingerprints...

Absolute Proof of Senator Wellstone's Assassination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vbf49kzWFw

[Guns Equal Freedom]

Any links of the guy's family giving a press conference yet?

[chris jones]

Question, was his suicide letter handwritten?

[NWOSCUM]

Question, was his suicide letter handwritten?

I think it originated in a "Word" document.  Haven't heard of a handwritten one, perhaps there is one?

[Ryujin]

Well guys regardless if this was or was not a lone nut (from the info I go I'm leaning on it being 70%FF right now) the Feds are now fighting back, we all new this day would come and quit frankly it show just how desperate they are and how much we're hurting them. SO in short I think it's time for all of us to put on our big boy pants and get ready for the long haul, this is going to get a whole lot worse before we can make it better.

Oh and here's some fun crunchy math for you guys on the energy's this planes impact could of caused, use it as you'd like:
Basic info:
Gross weight: 3,400 lb (1,542 kg)
Fuel capacity: 92 US gallons (348 liters)
Cruise speed: 185 kn (213 mph; 343 km/h)
Likely speed @ time of crash: 175mph (281.6388kph)

Kerosene 43.1 MJ/kg
~0.840 kg/L
(~322.56kg)

Max KE (stick of dynamite = ~2.1MJ)
@full weight and top speed:
1,542kg@95.2777778m/s
KE= 6.999MJ (or the same energy of ~3.3 sticks of dynamite)

Likely KE (stick of dynamite = ~2.1MJ)
@Full weight and ~175mph
1,542kg@78.23200m/s
KE= ~4.719MJ (or the same energy of ~2.25 sticks of dynamite)

Max energy in fuel tank (assuming a full tank @100% efficient burn)
thE= ~13902.336MJ (or 13.902226GJ, yikes!)

Likely maximum energy in fuel tank (assuming a 60% tank at the average 5% efficiency of an open burn fire)
thE= ~417.1MJ

Notes:
MJ= Megajoules or 1,000,000 joules (how much work/energy it would take to move 1,000,000 kg object 1 meter in 1 second assuming no friction or gravity)
GJ= Gigajoules or 1,000,000,000 or 1,000MJ
KE= kinetic Energy (how much owies a moving object will do to you if it hits, ummmmm yeah that's scientific right?)
thE= in this example means thermal energy (I made this one up)

[Matthew]

It's pretty apparent to me that this was a lone guy pushed to the edge. All this false flag talk is hype.

[Jackson Holly]

^ ^ ^

Yes, this is the elephant in the room ... the amount of damage just simply does NOT match up with a crash of a plane of this type ... DOES NOT COMPUTE!

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160295.msg952337#msg952337

They obviously overdid the explosives ... and they know it ... and are now trying to play down the whole thing before the OBVIOUS anomaly becomes THE story.

Joe Stack was a real person with real concerns and was an activist. They no doubt tracked him for years and thought he was the perfect patsy.

[NWOSCUM]

It's pretty apparent to me that this was a lone guy pushed to the edge. All this false flag talk is hype.

Yes, BUT TPTB will use the situation to their benefit and our continued demise.  That is the problem.

[Rini200]

Not to mention time of death, cause of death, death before or after the crash, and presence or not of drugs.

two bodies found. one has been identified the other hasn't. I coulda sworn last night fox said for certain that they found stack's body for sure. That's all they are saying on it atm.

[phasma]

this will be used as an excuse to stop people having pivate aircraft licences - or as an excuse to roll out naked body scanners on the streets or worse !

Wait for it - over the next few days you`ll see a how this could have been avoided story emerging - and of course they will have the very thing to plug what ever imagined security risk they find.

[Scootle]

maybe the nwo wants to see naked celebrities haha...

"ok we've mandated body scans for commercial flights, now we need to mandate them for private flights so we can oggle hollywood stars"

[starvosan]

The entire lone wolf scenario rest on this one manifesto/suicide note found on the internet.  But a false electronic trail on a patsy woud be ridiculously easy for an agency like the NSA to accomplish.  Is there any real evidence that this guy was in trouble with the IRS?  Who owned his house and airplane?  How much debt did he have?  Was he in any imminent danger of losing his house?  Was his marriage breaking up?

If he had a history of trouble with the IRS, surely his wife would be aware of it, yet we have heard nothing on that from her.

Nor have I heard of a single witness who saw him drive away from his house, or saw him at the airport.  Is there an eyewitness that saw the aircraft takeoff?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/19/texas.plane.crash/index.html?iref=werecommend
Friends say they had no inkling of the rage tormenting Stack, whom they called carefree, friendly and professional.  ... Another former band mate, Ric Furley, expressed a similar sentiment.
"I never saw him in a bad mood or speaking negatively about anything or anyone"


Keep your eyes open for this individual to have prior contact with law enforcement, had been institutionalized at some point, was in the military, had undergone any sort of mental 'treatment' recently, or was taking anti-depressants.

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[phasma]

all they`d have to do was ask . . . most of them would oblige !

[Col3_11n12]

Yes, this is the elephant in the room ... the amount of damage just simply does NOT match up with a crash of a plane of this type ... DOES NOT COMPUTE!

The radio just said they shut down Echelon IV building because of the plane crash in Echelon I building.  They said there was possible damage to the foundation.