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« Reply #560 on: February 19, 2010, 12:55:49 AM »

500-600 °F

Thank you very much.

You're welcome. The range is given because the precise temperature depends on the particular formulation of the jet fuel.

Below one can find some more information on jet fuel.

"Jet fuel," February 19, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jet_fuel&oldid=344964141
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« Reply #561 on: February 19, 2010, 12:56:43 AM »

OK, I will admit that the "thermite theory" is reasonable, but maybe I don't want to admit it to myself.




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« Reply #562 on: February 19, 2010, 01:05:07 AM »

OK, I will admit that the "thermite theory" is reasonable, but maybe I don't want to admit it to myself.

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« Reply #563 on: February 19, 2010, 01:12:28 AM »

I love the trolls:
"Ok Mister conspiracy theorist you have a point. I pretend to agree with you for a minute while I devise for a new way to distract your attention."

Coming back tot he point I am pretty sure I heard either on CNN or on FOX that they demonised this guy for setting his house on fire and killing his family, but his family were safe at a relative overnight?

Did I miss something or would the MSM blatantly lie?  Shocked Cheesy
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« Reply #564 on: February 19, 2010, 01:13:29 AM »

OK, I will admit that the "thermite theory" is reasonable, but maybe I don't want to admit it to myself.

Again, it's not just reasonable, one has utterly redefine the laws of physics and chemistry to avoid the conclusion. As I documented in my posts on the previous page of this thread, large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) nanothermite are in all the analyzed dust samples of the collapsed World Trade Center (W.T.C.) buildings. So it's simply an empirical fact that the W.T.C. was demolished with large quantities of thermite.

Given your reticence, you seem to be new to researching government false-flag events and other government crimes. You likely wouldn't be so reticent if you knew the details of such previous false-flag events and other government crimes.

More than six times the amount of noncombatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes murdered from 3.5 million to over 4.3 million of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million of its own noncombatant subjects. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own noncombatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's University of Hawaii website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)

All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government. (This is also historically true for the U.S. govermment, as no group has killed more U.S. citizens than the U.S. government. Viz., the Civil War; etc.)

Not only were all of these government mass-slaughters conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that--but they were conspiracies of which the 9/11 attacks are quite piddling by comparison.

Moreover, terrorism is the health of the state (indeed, government is itself a logical subset of terrorism, and the word terrorism originally referred exclusively to government actions: i.e., the Reign of Terror in France against critics of the state, which was done according to the law--and later on the word terrorism was used to refer to other governments), which is why so many governments throughout history have manufactured duplicitous terrorism in which to serve as a pretext in order to usurp ever more power and control. In the below post by me is contained voluminous amounts of documentation which refutes the U.S. government's mendacious, self-serving, anti-historical, anti-physical law, anti-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks, as well as documentation on many other government-staged acts of terrorism:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," TetrahedronOmega, September 30, 2005 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

As Lord Acton noted, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" (from a letter by Acton to Bishop Mandell Creighton, April 1887). One of the main pleasures and prerogatives of those who seek such power is the exercise of it. And when the world is one's oyster and one has grown tired of the usual thrills that money can buy, combined with effective legal impunity (so long as they remain servants of the establishment), the tastes of elites often seek out more bizarre and verboten thrills. For voluminous documentation on their more saturnalian escapades, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism," James Redford, September 3, 2007 http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4468

Related to the previous item, in the below post by me, I provide massive amounts of documentation wherein the U.S. government itself admits it is holding innocent people indefinitely without charges (including children and U.S. citizens), torturing them, raping them--including homosexually anally raping them--and murdering them, and that the orders to do so came from the highest levels of the U.S. government:

"Crushing Children's Testicles: Welcome to the New Freedom," TetrahedronOmega, August 12, 2006 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59&mforum=libertyandtruth

Also read the book Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder by David McGowan (Lincoln, Neb.: iUniverse, Inc., 2004). The book concerns high-level child prostitution, pedophile and snuff-film rings, drug networks, intergenerational occultism, ritualistic human sacrifice, and the organizations behind the phenomena of serial murder. These are intelligence operations used to compromise politicians, businessmen, academics, media personalities, etc.; used for assassination; and used to create a more totalitarian society by inducing societal fear via mayhem. It's thoroughly documented with major-media news articles and government records. The book is definitely one of the most important works ever written in terms of understanding the world we live in.

Below you can read reviews of the book:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0595326404

Below you can download the blook:

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« Reply #565 on: February 19, 2010, 01:16:43 AM »

OK, I will admit that the "thermite theory" is reasonable, but maybe I don't want to admit it to myself.






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« Reply #566 on: February 19, 2010, 02:13:12 AM »

I gotta say I don't think this was a false flag. I think this was a guy who got fed up with being screwed over in the "land of opportunity" and did what he thought was right. (But in the end was massively stupid and counter productive.)
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« Reply #567 on: February 19, 2010, 03:54:25 AM »

I gotta say I don't think this was a false flag. I think this was a guy who got fed up with being screwed over in the "land of opportunity" and did what he thought was right. (But in the end was massively stupid and counter productive.)

You think that based on what?

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« Reply #568 on: February 19, 2010, 04:58:02 AM »

I gotta say I don't think this was a false flag. I think this was a guy who got fed up with being screwed over in the "land of opportunity" and did what he thought was right. (But in the end was massively stupid and counter productive.)

Maybe. But given the government's track record in staging such events, and given how the government benefits by being able to propagandize for more power to itself and less liberty for the masses, it's at the least certainly convenient for the government.

We know the underwear bomber event was totally staged by the government. As far as this event, we'll have to see what information comes out about it.
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« Reply #569 on: February 19, 2010, 05:33:46 AM »

Maybe. But given the government's track record in staging such events, and given how the government benefits by being able to propagandize for more power to itself and less liberty for the masses, it's at the least certainly convenient for the government.

We know the underwear bomber event was totally staged by the government. As far as this event, we'll have to see what information comes out about it.

You have a creative imagination...What proof do you have the underwear bomber was a govt op?..
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« Reply #570 on: February 19, 2010, 05:40:41 AM »

The fire was burning low and slow like diesel with plenty of black smoke, even the explosion was low and slow. A witness on the fourth hour stated he saw the plane hit, then the windows blow out, then insulation blow out, then the blinds. That sounds like low velocity to me. Even a low velocity explosive wave can do the kind of internal/external damage we saw there. Thermite would have burned hot, fast, and with lots of sparks, and would have gone right through the metals on that building, oh, and LOTS of white smoke.



You've got no idea at all what you are talking about, don't you. Better say nothing than cause now you are discrediting yourself.

The heat of combustion of kerosene is similar to that of diesel. And we all know that diesel is not that explosive at all.

First check your facts before throwing out BS.
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« Reply #571 on: February 19, 2010, 05:56:43 AM »

I see a lot of people who are getting their mind set on one set of circumstances on how this could have been pulled off, while still maintaining the why. Do not fool yourself into falling into a rut of thought. We know the government pulled a false flag to demonize the truth/ libertarian movements. Theres no doubt. But we need to keep our minds open until we have better facts. I see a crapload of people jumping on the thermite bandwagon, despite us not seeing the same result(the building falling) just for the simple fact it was used on the WTC. Look at all the facts, determine what you will, but hten try to disporove the theory you just 'proved'. Becuase you and I all know thats exactly what will happen later on with the media or debunkers. If you can disprove it, they can disprove it. This exercise alone will help you make a better and stronger case when you are trying to prove a point in this calamity.
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« Reply #572 on: February 19, 2010, 06:09:51 AM »

Im not sure everyone speculating all these wild theories have all the facts?...The plane was flying about 175 miles an hour when it hit...it took skill to hit the building.
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« Reply #573 on: February 19, 2010, 06:19:19 AM »

No doubt it took skill. But since the plane was his, we can assume he had that level of skill.

But I think there are a great number of people who want to hedge this event into a cookie cutter of 9/11. To do so is to be disingenous with the facts. Which only makes us look bad. Like I said, if we can disprove our own facts, so can the opposition. So we need to be dilligent in expressing theories which are bullet proof, and difficult to debunk.

Im not sure everyone speculating all these wild theories have all the facts?...The plane was flying about 175 miles an hour when it hit...it took skill to hit the building.
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« Reply #574 on: February 19, 2010, 06:19:42 AM »

I am most amazed that Rob Dew, one of the Alex's employees, actually knew the guy. What are the chances? Austin, TX has a population of 757,688, according to Wikipedia.

On his show yesterday, Jones said someone came with a bomb to his office to try and set him up, months ago.

He pointed out another attack in Austin, which I can't remember at the time of writing this post.

Alex is saying, I think, that the government provocateurs are trying to tie these attacks directly to Jones.

With Facebook, phone tapping, email tapping etc, they know who your friends are. That's how they could have done this with Dew's buddy, drugging him up and making him fly the plane into that building.

AND MAYBE they had him burn down his house because EVIDENCE of the FBI/CIA/IRS coming into his house to drug him up. You know, DNA of their footprints etc. Forensic evidence
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« Reply #575 on: February 19, 2010, 06:36:34 AM »

I gotta say I don't think this was a false flag. I think this was a guy who got fed up with being screwed over in the "land of opportunity" and did what he thought was right. (But in the end was massively stupid and counter productive.)

I agree. I also think the bigger picture is being missed. The ever growing attack on the middelcass and working class, and the utter apathy of this government.
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« Reply #576 on: February 19, 2010, 07:00:52 AM »

No doubt it took skill. But since the plane was his, we can assume he had that level of skill.

But I think there are a great number of people who want to hedge this event into a cookie cutter of 9/11. To do so is to be disingenous with the facts. Which only makes us look bad. Like I said, if we can disprove our own facts, so can the opposition. So we need to be dilligent in expressing theories which are bullet proof, and difficult to debunk.


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« Reply #577 on: February 19, 2010, 07:07:44 AM »

No doubt it took skill. But since the plane was his, we can assume he had that level of skill.

But I think there are a great number of people who want to hedge this event into a cookie cutter of 9/11. To do so is to be disingenous with the facts. Which only makes us look bad. Like I said, if we can disprove our own facts, so can the opposition. So we need to be dilligent in expressing theories which are bullet proof, and difficult to debunk.


I tend to agree with you.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  But....

The end result is still the same.  They wasted absolutely no time linking this to anti-government tea party types.  I expect this sentiment to be racheted up even more in the coming days.  They will get as much mileage out of this as they possibly can.
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« Reply #578 on: February 19, 2010, 07:17:18 AM »

And we agree, that was their intent apparently, to alienate us, and label us dangerous, and I too expect it to get worse i nthe near future. If what Alex said about April holds true, we are in for the deep stuff then. Hell, yesterday morning, Beck was trying to turn us agaisnt Medina claiming she had betrayed us by denouncing us. He was playing the old divide and conquer in plain sight, hours before this attack, which would I guess in their minds splinter us apart or alienate us ot where we would not feel as though we could openly converse. So they had several end runs in play at the same time to splinter us.

My point is that I see people throwing around the word thermite like its the holy grail of conspriacy theory. Which it is, as it relates to 9/11. However upon looking at the pics and vids of this attack, it's obvious to me that thermite palyed no part. For us to claim it does makes us look like loons. We have to keep the facts straight and not confuse theories with the facts. We are on the same page as far as what we suspect happened yesterday, and why it happened, and if we play our cards right, we wont come out of this sounding like fringe theory like we did with 9/11, but as a force to be reckoned with, because our facts are unquestionable. Bad theory can splinter us into factions of thought, just like the whole no planers versus planers debate. Now is not really the time to have fractional thinking.


I tend to agree with you.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  But....

The end result is still the same.  They wasted absolutely no time linking this to anti-government tea party types.  I expect this sentiment to be racheted up even more in the coming days.
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« Reply #579 on: February 19, 2010, 07:22:05 AM »

And we agree, that was their intent apparently, to alienate us, and label us dangerous, and I too expect it to get worse i nthe near future. If what Alex said about April holds true, we are in for the deep stuff then. Hell, yesterday morning, Beck was trying to turn us agaisnt Medina claiming she had betrayed us by denouncing us. He was playing the old divide and conquer in plain sight, hours before this attack, which would I guess in their minds splinter us apart or alienate us ot where we would not feel as though we could openly converse. So they had several end runs in play at the same time to splinter us.

My point is that I see people throwing around the word thermite like its the holy grail of conspriacy theory. Which it is, as it relates to 9/11. However upon looking at the pics and vids of this attack, it's obvious to me that thermite palyed no part. For us to claim it does makes us look like loons. We have to keep the facts straight and not confuse theories with the facts. We are on the same page as far as what we suspect happened yesterday, and why it happened, and if we play our cards right, we wont come out of this sounding like fringe theory like we did with 9/11, but as a force to be reckoned with, because our facts are unquestionable. Bad theory can splinter us into factions of thought, just like the whole no planers versus planers debate. Now is not really the time to have fractional thinking.



It's good to see someone with a cool head bringing this thread back into reality thanks cop guy.
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« Reply #580 on: February 19, 2010, 07:27:25 AM »

I do what I can. I may not be a deep thinker like Anti-Illuminati, but I do have my moments.

Has anybody else notieced how low key Glenn Beck is playing the crash this morning? You think they realized they over played their hand?

It's good to see someone with a cool head bringing this thread back into reality thanks cop guy.
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« Reply #581 on: February 19, 2010, 07:29:23 AM »

And we agree, that was their intent apparently, to alienate us, and label us dangerous, and I too expect it to get worse i nthe near future. If what Alex said about April holds true, we are in for the deep stuff then. Hell, yesterday morning, Beck was trying to turn us agaisnt Medina claiming she had betrayed us by denouncing us. He was playing the old divide and conquer in plain sight, hours before this attack, which would I guess in their minds splinter us apart or alienate us ot where we would not feel as though we could openly converse. So they had several end runs in play at the same time to splinter us.

My point is that I see people throwing around the word thermite like its the holy grail of conspriacy theory. Which it is, as it relates to 9/11. However upon looking at the pics and vids of this attack, it's obvious to me that thermite palyed no part. For us to claim it does makes us look like loons. We have to keep the facts straight and not confuse theories with the facts. We are on the same page as far as what we suspect happened yesterday, and why it happened, and if we play our cards right, we wont come out of this sounding like fringe theory like we did with 9/11, but as a force to be reckoned with, because our facts are unquestionable. Bad theory can splinter us into factions of thought, just like the whole no planers versus planers debate. Now is not really the time to have fractional thinking.



Since I haven't heard yesterday's show yet (from the archives) what did Alex say about April?



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« Reply #582 on: February 19, 2010, 07:50:54 AM »


I was just listening to Joyce Riley on GCN and she said she heard the Austin Communications Director (David Matustik) being interviewed yesterday by FOX news, and apparently when he was asked about the relatively small number of casualties he explained that this was because most people hadn't arrived for work yet (I don't know the exact wording), which seems strange at 10.00 am on a weekday.
Has anyone got a link to this interview ?


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« Reply #583 on: February 19, 2010, 07:53:36 AM »

Alex mentioned that there are alot of articles being written right now about the tea partys in which the tea partys will be demonized.


Since I haven't heard yesterday's show yet (from the archives) what did Alex say about April?




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« Reply #584 on: February 19, 2010, 07:58:40 AM »

Alex mentioned that there are alot of articles being written right now about the tea partys in which the tea partys will be demonized.



Definitely.  There was a big one from the NYT that called the Oath Keepers a 'resurgent militia movement' LOL.  Here it is...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp
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« Reply #585 on: February 19, 2010, 08:01:47 AM »

I do what I can. I may not be a deep thinker like Anti-Illuminati, but I do have my moments.

Has anybody else notieced how low key Glenn Beck is playing the crash this morning? You think they realized they over played their hand?


Georgia,

Glenn Becks disgusting diatribe yesterday made me think of a script that was pre-written for a dramatic impact.  Glenn Beck= Thomas Paine?

Van Jones= French Revolution.  Bloodless American Revolution?  Invoking OBL and Tim Mcveigh?  Feels like a setup to me but I will reserve judgement until all facts are considered.
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« Reply #586 on: February 19, 2010, 08:04:28 AM »

Oh and this is a few pages back in the thread but.....

The disturbing piece of paper the reporter on CNN received that said Atomic Watchdog issues a report saying Iran is trying to assemble nuke material to attach to a missile?  Like in the middle of all this they decide to say "By the Way Iran is bad in case you haven't forgot"
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« Reply #587 on: February 19, 2010, 08:07:01 AM »

Yes what Georgiacopguy is saying.

Oyashango why are you whispering fuel into the fire? Quit helping the enemy!
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« Reply #588 on: February 19, 2010, 08:11:19 AM »

Yes what Georgiacopguy is saying.

Oyashango why are you whispering fuel into the fire? Quit helping the enemy!

Everyone knows we are non-violent here on this forum TrailHound.  I think Oyshango is just stating the obvious or thinking out loud
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« Reply #589 on: February 19, 2010, 08:12:18 AM »

Georgia,

Glenn Becks disgusting diatribe yesterday made me think of a script that was pre-written for a dramatic impact.  Glenn Beck= Thomas Paine?

Van Jones= French Revolution.  Bloodless American Revolution?  Invoking OBL and Tim Mcveigh?  Feels like a setup to me but I will reserve judgement until all facts are considered.

That was disgusting.  Calling birthers enemies of the the USA.  How come he didn't have Alex Jone's picture on his blackboard?
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« Reply #590 on: February 19, 2010, 08:16:38 AM »

My point is that I see people throwing around the word thermite like its the holy grail of conspriacy theory. Which it is, as it relates to 9/11. However upon looking at the pics and vids of this attack, it's obvious to me that thermite palyed no part. For us to claim it does makes us look like loons. We have to keep the facts straight and not confuse theories with the facts. We are on the same page as far as what we suspect happened yesterday, and why it happened, and if we play our cards right, we wont come out of this sounding like fringe theory like we did with 9/11, but as a force to be reckoned with, because our facts are unquestionable. Bad theory can splinter us into factions of thought, just like the whole no planers versus planers debate.Now is not really the time to have fractional thinking.
The real key to 9/11 is Ptech, a topic that military PsyOps hasn't even trained shill operatives to put out disinfo about, because even they don't know about it, or if they do, they know that it is "too complex" for the masses to ever get a grasp of it.  Therefore there is no need to train disinfo agents in trying to discredit it--and I doubt many of them could handle even trying to create effective PysOps for it, due to the understanding required to even get how it was engineered to carry out the false flag.

It all started with Michael Riconosciuto and PROMIS, something that is bigger than JFK's assassination, and has a minuscule fraction of awareness worldwide.
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« Reply #591 on: February 19, 2010, 08:36:09 AM »

I don't know if anyone has already made this observation yet, but this building got hit by a small airplane, not a jumbo jet of course, and it's still standing. WTC7 was not hit by anything. Was WTC7 a poorly constructed building or something? This is a rhetorical question, but it seems... a little strange, to say the least.

Have you ever visited the WTC site, prior to the towers coming down?  I had been there numerous times, since I lived in NJ and NYC was only a little more than an hour and 30 minute drive or less depending upon how the traffic was.  That entire complex of buildings were put in rather close proximity to one another.  When you have two 110 story buildings come down, don't you think that the building around are going to sustain some sort of structural damage?  That part of Manhattan is literally building, next to building, next to building.  Henceforth if one comes down, others are going to be damaged.  Also, I saw this one post that referred to the clouds of smoke as pyroclastic clouds due to their appearance.  Well don't forget that there was a huge amount of jet fuel there in those buildings after the planes were slammed into them.  Jet fuel is even more explosive than regular gasoline because there is more pure gasoline in it than regular fuel that we put in our vehilces.  Just look at racing fuel that they use in stock cars, like NASCAR.  That stuff is super octane (over 104 I believe) and it can really cause one hell of an explosion if something sparks it.  The same with the Indy car series.  They use a methane type fuel and that stuff is way, way, way explosive.

I am not saying that there aren't some questions about 9/11.  However, since it seems that we can't keep any type of secret in this country about anything, don't you think by now, someone somewhere would have gone to some news source and especially if they were in the know, giving documents to show that there was this huge conspiracy?  Common, in a government that is just looking to score whatever points it can and seeing as how many people hated Bush/Cheney, they would have done back flips to put the screws to them.  There would have been too many people involved at too many levels for things not to leak out or for someone looking to make a name for themselves and a ton of money on top of it, to stay silent. 
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« Reply #592 on: February 19, 2010, 08:38:49 AM »

Alex mentioned that there are alot of articles being written right now about the tea partys in which the tea partys will be demonized.



This is 2010.

Atleast at the bare minimum the MSM can say is that this guy was a lone deranged nut.

Every group has their extremists.

I don't see the Tea-Party Movement dying over it.

It is too strong, and the country is at it's cross roads.
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« Reply #593 on: February 19, 2010, 08:40:51 AM »

"I am not saying that there aren't some questions about 9/11.  However, since it seems that we can't keep any type of secret in this country about anything, don't you think by now, someone somewhere would have gone to some news source and especially if they were in the know, giving documents to show that there was this huge conspiracy?  Common, in a government that is just looking to score whatever points it can and seeing as how many people hated Bush/Cheney, they would have done back flips to put the screws to them.  There would have been too many people involved at too many levels for things not to leak out or for someone looking to make a name for themselves and a ton of money on top of it, to stay silent. "

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« Reply #594 on: February 19, 2010, 08:42:52 AM »

I neglected to mention that those articles being written are slated for relase in April. So Alex was surmising that an event will hapeen in or near April in which those articles will be sent to press. Sorry, forgot to link the two together.


Definitely.  There was a big one from the NYT that called the Oath Keepers a 'resurgent militia movement' LOL.  Here it is...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp
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« Reply #595 on: February 19, 2010, 08:44:15 AM »

It is a new day, it means a mew media coverage today.

Today is Tiger's Wood First Public Press Conference Day.  Roll Eyes



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« Reply #596 on: February 19, 2010, 08:46:36 AM »

This is 2010.

Atleast at the bare minimum the MSM can say is that this guy was a lone deranged nut.

Every group has their extremists.

I don't see the Tea-Party Movement dying over it.

It is too strong, and the country is at it's cross roads.

You've just put your finger on the main reason why the establishment is extremely desperate to fragment, splinter, divide, squash, demonize, etc., the tea party movement.  They cannot allow this to spread any further or gain any more momentum.  
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« Reply #597 on: February 19, 2010, 08:46:46 AM »

There would have been too many people involved at too many levels for things not to leak out or for someone looking to make a name for themselves and a ton of money on top of it, to stay silent. 

So it's more logical that 19 cavemen pulled it off?
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« Reply #598 on: February 19, 2010, 08:46:58 AM »

I used to think like you too, I often tried to rationlize away the talk of there being this nefarious plot. My next step was to see that the government had some level of culpability, then i saw duplicity, then I understood that it was a controlled event. Hopefully in time, with a great deal of research, you'll see it too. But hopefully, giventhe truncated timeline we are looking at now, you'll see the truth sooner than I did. You are running out of time I think.


Have you ever visited the WTC site, prior to the towers coming down?  I had been there numerous times, since I lived in NJ and NYC was only a little more than an hour and 30 minute drive or less depending upon how the traffic was.  That entire complex of buildings were put in rather close proximity to one another.  When you have two 110 story buildings come down, don't you think that the building around are going to sustain some sort of structural damage?  That part of Manhattan is literally building, next to building, next to building.  Henceforth if one comes down, others are going to be damaged.  Also, I saw this one post that referred to the clouds of smoke as pyroclastic clouds due to their appearance.  Well don't forget that there was a huge amount of jet fuel there in those buildings after the planes were slammed into them.  Jet fuel is even more explosive than regular gasoline because there is more pure gasoline in it than regular fuel that we put in our vehilces.  Just look at racing fuel that they use in stock cars, like NASCAR.  That stuff is super octane (over 104 I believe) and it can really cause one hell of an explosion if something sparks it.  The same with the Indy car series.  They use a methane type fuel and that stuff is way, way, way explosive.

I am not saying that there aren't some questions about 9/11.  However, since it seems that we can't keep any type of secret in this country about anything, don't you think by now, someone somewhere would have gone to some news source and especially if they were in the know, giving documents to show that there was this huge conspiracy?  Common, in a government that is just looking to score whatever points it can and seeing as how many people hated Bush/Cheney, they would have done back flips to put the screws to them.  There would have been too many people involved at too many levels for things not to leak out or for someone looking to make a name for themselves and a ton of money on top of it, to stay silent.  
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« Reply #599 on: February 19, 2010, 08:48:33 AM »

I did a stint as a volunteer firefighter and I have ot know, how the f**k does a nearly 300,000 dollar home burn down to just a few walls when the FF have a 5 min response time?Huh It's NOT a mobile home, a respectable sized 300,000 home should have taken a significant time to burn and with FF on scene, it should have been stopped at some point, not allowed to burn to damn near the ground.



Then you should also know as I do, having many friends who were volunteers and some who are on paid departments, that a structure fire can take off pretty quickly depending upon what excellerant was used in setting the fire.

Additionally, if a structure is fully involved when you arrive on scene and you know that the people at the residence are outside of it, what in the world would you go in the structure for?  You take a defensive stance and make sure that it doesn't spread to adjacent homes.

In case you have forgotten as well, water doesn't work too well on a fire that is started with gasoline, which if he torched the house is probably what he used and used a lot of it.  Once lit it would take off like a dried out Christmas tree that was dry as a bone.  Hence forth, the $300,000 home burned pretty quickly.  The price of the home does not indicated how quickly or not it will go up.  Come on, you of all should know better than that.  Roll Eyes
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