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It really surprises me that there's so many religious people among the 'truth' movement who're literally terrified of a few symbols or talk of non existant dietys.
It all seems centered around a sort of christian perspective of God vs Lucifer, neither of which actually exist.
And those morons who call themselves 'satanists', they're just immature idiots reading bastardized nietzsche from anton la vey.
It really boggles the mind that the 'elite' believe in this nonsense, and these 'entities', although no specifics are actually given as to what they believe in.
They have all these great big plans to rule the world, yet they still believe in fairy tales.
Can anyone shed any light as to why they do?
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 06:06:10 PM » |
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It really surprises me that there's so many religious people among the 'truth' movement who're literally terrified of a few symbols or talk of non existant dietys.
It all seems centered around a sort of christian perspective of God vs Lucifer, neither of which actually exist.
And those morons who call themselves 'satanists', they're just immature idiots reading bastardized nietzsche from anton la vey.
It really boggles the mind that the 'elite' believe in this nonsense, and these 'entities', although no specifics are actually given as to what they believe in.
They have all these great big plans to rule the world, yet they still believe in fairy tales.
Can anyone shed any light as to why they do?
William Cooper once said"It isn't about what YOU believe but what THEY believe.Symbols,imo, only mean something if enough people set it in their minds they do.So it becomes important to understand the battle between the two whether you believe or not. |
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William Cooper once said"It isn't about what YOU believe but what THEY believe.Symbols,imo, only mean something if enough people set it in their minds they do.So it becomes important to understand the battle between the two whether you believe or not.
Well said! I do not believe in numerology but it is obvious, with past events, they do. Knowledge is power! |
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 06:20:20 PM » |
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I'm not religious and I believe they believe in occultic symbols, rituals and dieties.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 06:21:51 PM » |
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That's not the point. The point is that they believe in it. Know your enemy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 06:54:57 PM » |
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 07:20:53 PM » |
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I Look At it More like this: Some things are ment to target your conscious while other things such as symbols create a sort of webbing that are souls or subconscious get trapped in.
While you may believe the occult is non sense their are many powerful people who believe admittedly in it so there must be something to it. Remember the word occult just means hidden so basically its information be it science mathematics or just a general understanding of humanity that is being kept from the average person.
Many here will agree that there is a degree of brainwashing that occurs in are society. Now is this concept new or did it exist in the past and if so who was responsible for its implementation on societies. Some consider the mere act of influencing ones views or behaviour as "magic".
The Nazis openly used ritual choreography, ancient symbols and rallying chants, powerful mystical logos and regalia, and so on, to force men into a hive mentality. We now know that Hitler and his cronies were deeply involved with powerful occult societies and were fascinated by ancient mysticism. Hitler sent agents throughout the world, to visit tribes and sects in order to procure occult works and doctrines, and to learn how to employ magical arts. Although it might sound controversial, the same arcane archive is made use of today, not only by advertisers in Hollywood and on Madison Avenue, but by leading Evangelists and other churchmen. It is used by the heads of leading corporations. As financier J. P. Morgan once said, Millionaires don't use astrology...The billionaires do!
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 11:29:52 PM » |
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Is there no one here that has not felt a sense of dread in a dark wood at night or alone in a new house? That you are being watched, or followed, or that you are not alone? The hairs on your arms and neck stand up an your heart beats faster?
This is the occult (the hidden/the unknown) and we have all experienced it. Call it what you will, irrational fear, primitive instinct, intuition, a 6th sense. What you call it is irrelevant, the fact is it does exist and it is powerful.
Add to this occult, mind control and group psychology and you have something very real and pervasive.
You don't have to believe in it, it still exists.
Plus there are always possible realms of existence and reality that we do not have the physical ability nor machinery to detect. The undiscovered country is not the impossible country it is merely undiscovered.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 09:40:15 AM » |
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The greatest lie the Devil ever told was convincing people that he simply did not exist...I believe telling people that there is no God is in there somewhere, too. Life is a miracle and every day is a blessing. God bless all of the believers and nonbelievers in such a way that they may come to open their hearts and minds to know Him and be under His divine protection in this short test we call life.  |
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it doesn't seem so nonsequensial see they have seized control over most the world..........and many in the truth movement have been turned off to religion by the cointelpro.........so the they are disarmed to the occult force........therefore your permise of non existant dieties in not only unbiblical......it is nonsense..........better beware........every heard of the sons of seiva....... It really surprises me that there's so many religious people among the 'truth' movement who're literally terrified of a few symbols or talk of non existant dietys.
It all seems centered around a sort of christian perspective of God vs Lucifer, neither of which actually exist.
And those morons who call themselves 'satanists', they're just immature idiots reading bastardized nietzsche from anton la vey.
It really boggles the mind that the 'elite' believe in this nonsense, and these 'entities', although no specifics are actually given as to what they believe in.
They have all these great big plans to rule the world, yet they still believe in fairy tales.
Can anyone shed any light as to why they do?
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 12:49:28 PM » |
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Just because you ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
There's more to this material universe than your mind and speculations.
The moon still pull the tides regardless of your opinion on astrology.
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part true.......... part not............ Just because you ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
There's more to this material universe than your mind and speculations.
The moon still pull the tides regardless of your opinion on astrology.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 02:56:35 PM » |
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part true.......... part not............
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 03:51:33 PM » |
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A B C D E F ... symbols
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2010, 05:00:33 PM » |
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A B C D E F ... symbols
 Egyptian Water hieroglyph = W, looks like water W = Water, Wet, Wave, Wash, Weep, Well, Willow  Egyptian Snake hieroglyph = S, looks like a snake S = Snake, Slither, Slime, Slide, Slick, Slippery, Sneaky, Sly, Spy, Serpent Letters are indeed symbols and these symbols are deeply embedded into out sub conscience. |
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2010, 05:18:14 PM » |
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It really surprises me that there's so many religious people among the 'truth' movement who're literally terrified of a few symbols or talk of non existant dietys.
It all seems centered around a sort of christian perspective of God vs Lucifer, neither of which actually exist.
And those morons who call themselves 'satanists', they're just immature idiots reading bastardized nietzsche from anton la vey.
It really boggles the mind that the 'elite' believe in this nonsense, and these 'entities', although no specifics are actually given as to what they believe in.
They have all these great big plans to rule the world, yet they still believe in fairy tales.
Can anyone shed any light as to why they do?
There is alot you dont know. The occult is not all nonsense. Is there nonsense 'occult' related things? Yes, it seems no subject is safe from nonsense, no? |
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2010, 05:34:51 PM » |
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We tend to think that symbols are occultic or an almost-forgotten mode of communication, a bunch of Hermetic gibberish. But, actually we are totally overwhelmed by symbols of all sorts - and they are definitely becoming more prevalent all the time ESPECIALLY with computers, etc ... (I'm just now looking at three rows of symbols just above the box I'm typing in). The great war between good/god and evil/devil is "mythological" ... but that is not to say that it is a fairy tale ... it is at the very center of what we are. And the ancient symbols speak to us on a mythological level, beyond mere language ... it is more like art.  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2010, 05:51:26 PM » |
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I Love Occult work!!
Anyway this is a repost here from another thread , I didn't want to write it again , as I feel the same now as I did then:
Wow , as far as I remember the only meaning symbols have are that which WE ascribe to them. We live in a culture of death because we are afraid of sex. Death is the only other thing that excites our primal response , fear in that case. Why do we fear sex ? I blame religion and "conservative" "moralists".
My point is rather than seek out supposed "occultism" in archetypal symbols , and thinking that the NWO has everything to do with with every aspect of your lives , consider that perhaps you have allowed a culture and psyche of acceptance regarding morality (what you are told) to spring up around you that constantly perpetuates death because they , the moralists have repressed all other images that would be the possible opposite , IE destroying anything that would be more on par with a BALANCE of symbolism or ideology/iconography.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 05:43:33 AM » |
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So where do you people get your code of morals from if it isn't the Bible and the Lord Almighty?
If you aren't working for God, then you are on the "other team".
One of the Ten Commandments:
Have no other god(s) before me.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 03:20:49 PM » |
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Morals? Well the bible God is not one to give moral lessons , since it is he who advocates murder , rape , gambling , jealousy , vengeance pettiness etc...
Human beings have code of morality built into them , it's called empathy.
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If there were, it was on account of their ignorance."
J. M. Roberts, "Antiquity Unveiled", 1892
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 03:29:39 PM » |
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Is there no one here that has not felt a sense of dread in a dark wood at night or alone in a new house? That you are being watched, or followed, or that you are not alone? The hairs on your arms and neck stand up an your heart beats faster?
This is the occult (the hidden/the unknown) and we have all experienced it. Call it what you will, irrational fear, primitive instinct, intuition, a 6th sense. What you call it is irrelevant, the fact is it does exist and it is powerful.
Add to this occult, mind control and group psychology and you have something very real and pervasive.
You don't have to believe in it, it still exists.
Plus there are always possible realms of existence and reality that we do not have the physical ability nor machinery to detect. The undiscovered country is not the impossible country it is merely undiscovered.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 07:52:48 PM » |
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Morals? Well the bible God is not one to give moral lessons , since it is he who advocates murder , rape , gambling , jealousy , vengeance pettiness etc...
Human beings have code of morality built into them , it's called empathy.
Examples to your blasphemy with proper references? Hint: Don't go over the Old Testament either bc if you don't know...that when Jesus died on the cross, he did it for retribution of our sins. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 08:37:04 PM » |
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Examples to your blasphemy with proper references? Hint: Don't go over the Old Testament either bc if you don't know...that when Jesus died on the cross, he did it for retribution of our sins.
The only "sin" is ignorance , the only retribution for this is to gain knowledge. You can keep the rest of that ego driven psychodrama , good bad , black white , forced perspective game. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 08:41:49 PM » |
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Morals? Well the bible God is not one to give moral lessons , since it is he who advocates murder , rape , gambling , jealousy , vengeance pettiness etc...
Human beings have code of morality built into them , it's called empathy.
Not bad, especially the empathy part. |
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2010, 12:43:44 AM » |
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Egyptian Water hieroglyph = W, looks like water W = Water, Wet, Wave, Wash, Weep, Well, Willow Egyptian Snake hieroglyph = S, looks like a snake S = Snake, Slither, Slime, Slide, Slick, Slippery, Sneaky, Sly, Spy, Serpent Letters are indeed symbols and these symbols are deeply embedded into out sub conscience. Nice!! |
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2010, 01:53:33 AM » |
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Didn't the real shapeshifting devil appear to a very powerful family one time this last century? With cloven feet and everything..
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2010, 05:03:12 AM » |
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I go along with Brocke on this one.
I have studied parapsychology
from both a scientific approach and personal experience.
I have also been trained as a medium in the Spiritualist Church,
a skill which I believe overlaps with self-hypnosis.
As a young-ish medium,
I incurred the ire of my teachers by asking
"So when do we learn how to protect ourselves
from the Trickster,
who really is just pretending to be dear Uncle Alfred,
and the not- so- happy- in- death- spirits
who might be looking for a newer model body to inhabit on a permanent basis ? "
Well, let me tell you...
It was not long after this when I received a phone call
advising that "Maybe I should stay in the healing arts."
WHY?
I lacked a certain "positive attitude" about the spirits.
Caution, I would call it.
And so I ended my days of study with the Spiritualists,
who are a group of kind, well meaning, very naive people, IMHO.
I quote H.P. Lovecraft,
who wisely said:
" DO NOT CALL UP WHAT YOU CANNOT PUT DOWN "
Get rid of those Ouija Boards, you amateurs!
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2010, 08:13:17 AM » |
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Suffice it to say that you all reject God and his teachings in the Bible? It is by His divine mercy and your gift of free will that you are all able to criticize your creator and protector. He allows bad things to happen to us bc we sin. He is like our Earthly father who punishes us when we have done wrong. He made it snow/blizzard when those who worship evil were planning our slavery and deaths. He made it snow in 50 states. Have faith, read the Bible and pray and He will save us. I have seen so many miracles recently and signs of God that I cannot ignore His calling to us all. God bless you and Jesus loves you all.
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I believe this. Have faith brothers and sisters. The nwo can't defeat Gods plan. Suffice it to say that you all reject God and his teachings in the Bible? It is by His divine mercy and your gift of free will that you are all able to criticize your creator and protector. He allows bad things to happen to us bc we sin. He is like our Earthly father who punishes us when we have done wrong. He made it snow/blizzard when those who worship evil were planning our slavery and deaths. He made it snow in 50 states. Have faith, read the Bible and pray and He will save us. I have seen so many miracles recently and signs of God that I cannot ignore His calling to us all. God bless you and Jesus loves you all.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2010, 10:34:34 AM » |
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So where do you people get your code of morals from if it isn't the Bible and the Lord Almighty?
If you aren't working for God, then you are on the "other team".
One of the Ten Commandments:
Have no other god(s) before me.
Bhagavad Gita (God's Song), chapter 16: The Divine And Demoniac Natures: BG 16.1-3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness; purification of one's existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor -- these transcendental qualities belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.BG 16.4: Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance -- these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature.
BG 16.5: The transcendental qualities are conducive to liberation, whereas the demoniac qualities make for bondage. BG 16.6: In this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demoniac. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac. BG 16.7: Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them. BG 16.8: They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other than lust. BG 16.9: Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world. BG 16.10: Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. BG 16.11-12: They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification. BG 16.13-15: The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him, and my other enemies will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance. BG 16.16: Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, they become too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and fall down into hell. BG 16.17: Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only, without following any rules or regulations. BG 16.18: Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in their own bodies (hearts) and in the bodies (hearts) of others, and blaspheme against the real religion. BG 16.19: Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life. BG 16.20: Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence. BG 16.21: There are three gates leading to this hell -- lust, anger and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.BG 16.22: The man who has escaped these three gates of hell performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination. BG 16.23: He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination. BG 16.24: One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated. |
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Bhagavad Gita (God's Song), chapter 16: The Divine And Demoniac Natures:
BG 16.1-3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness; purification of one's existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor -- these transcendental qualities belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.
BG 16.4: Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance -- these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature.
BG 16.5: The transcendental qualities are conducive to liberation, whereas the demoniac qualities make for bondage.
BG 16.6: In this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demoniac. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac.
BG 16.7: Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.
BG 16.8: They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other than lust.
BG 16.9: Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.
BG 16.10: Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.
BG 16.11-12: They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.
BG 16.13-15: The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him, and my other enemies will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.
BG 16.16: Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, they become too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and fall down into hell.
BG 16.17: Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only, without following any rules or regulations.
BG 16.18: Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in their own bodies (hearts) and in the bodies (hearts) of others, and blaspheme against the real religion.
BG 16.19: Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.
BG 16.20: Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.
BG 16.21: There are three gates leading to this hell -- lust, anger and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.
BG 16.22: The man who has escaped these three gates of hell performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination.
BG 16.23: He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.
BG 16.24: One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.
That's all great stuff there, but this man claims to have superior knowledge to the creator/God and do you have reference in your books to that? Pardon my ignorance (bc I know that there is much of this world that I do not for the universe is infinite), but is that a Buddist Holy Book that you read from? |
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2010, 02:14:45 PM » |
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Suffice it to say that you all reject God and his teachings in the Bible? It is by His divine mercy and your gift of free will that you are all able to criticize your creator and protector. He allows bad things to happen to us bc we sin. He is like our Earthly father who punishes us when we have done wrong. He made it snow/blizzard when those who worship evil were planning our slavery and deaths. He made it snow in 50 states. Have faith, read the Bible and pray and He will save us. I have seen so many miracles recently and signs of God that I cannot ignore His calling to us all. God bless you and Jesus loves you all.
That's all well and good as a philosophy , but I do not regard it as truth. In fact , I think the "self" is nothing more than a product of the sensual mind and a habit of the mind's synaptic processes. Like if one suffers from amnesia , the process of the mind is interupted and thus the "self" is forgotten. So the "person" "you" think you are is absolutely of the fleshly sensual mind and has no reason to move beyond it , into some fantasy ego driven afterlife. God = perfect, flawless. God's creations = Flawed ? imperfect? |
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2010, 02:26:13 PM » |
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That's all great stuff there, but this man claims to have superior knowledge to the creator/God and do you have reference in your books to that? Pardon my ignorance (bc I know that there is much of this world that I do not for the universe is infinite), but is that a Buddist Holy Book that you read from?
It is Hindu scripture, and in my opinion is the most concise and elegant of the world's scriptures. |
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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2010, 03:02:45 PM » |
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That's all great stuff there, but this man claims to have superior knowledge to the creator/God and do you have reference in your books to that? Pardon my ignorance (bc I know that there is much of this world that I do not for the universe is infinite), but is that a Buddist Holy Book that you read from?
Thanks for asking nicely! No, present day Buddhism is atheistic or impersonal, no personal God, no eternal soul. The Srimad Bhagavatam explains that the purpose of Buddha was to bring a nonviolent philosophy to atheists for to protect the theists. The four noble truths of Buddhism are similar in that it teaches to give up desire, which is the cause of suffering. This is also taught in the Bhagavad Gita, but the main focus is on devotional service and surrender to a personal God. The Bhagavad Gita is believed by Vaisnavas to be spoken by God, the original Creator and father of the universe: BG 7.6: Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution. BG 9.17: I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire. BG 14.4: It should be understood that all species of life are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father. BG 10.8: I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
For someone who sincerely loves Jesus, all you really need to know is His most important teaching...to love God with all of your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbors as yourself. Everything we need to know for our soul's journey is revealed as we are ready when we follow this simple teaching. |
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2010, 03:03:58 PM » |
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That's all well and good as a philosophy , but I do not regard it as truth. In fact , I think the "self" is nothing more than a product of the sensual mind and a habit of the mind's synaptic processes. Like if one suffers from amnesia , the process of the mind is interupted and thus the "self" is forgotten. So the "person" "you" think you are is absolutely of the fleshly sensual mind and has no reason to move beyond it , into some fantasy ego driven afterlife.
God = perfect, flawless.
God's creations = Flawed ? imperfect?
The Bhagavad Gita says this: BG 15.16: There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible. (fallible = capable of making mistakes) BG 15.17: Besides these two, there is the greatest living personality, the Supreme Soul, the imperishable Lord Himself, who has entered the three worlds and is maintaining them. It also explains that the soul is the true ego/self and is eternal. Then there is the false ego/self that thinks it is the body, which is beyond the mind. A braindead person can still live without the mind, it is the soul that gives life to the body, not the mind or false ego. The body dies when the soul leaves the body. |
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2010, 03:14:40 PM » |
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It is Hindu scripture, and in my opinion is the most concise and elegant of the world's scriptures.
I agree! Thanks for making my Gita thumping time worthwhile. It's too bad how misconceptions keep it from being read by more people. |
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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2010, 03:54:53 PM » |
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The Bhagavad Gita says this:
BG 15.16: There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible. (fallible = capable of making mistakes)
BG 15.17: Besides these two, there is the greatest living personality, the Supreme Soul, the imperishable Lord Himself, who has entered the three worlds and is maintaining them.
It also explains that the soul is the true ego/self and is eternal. Then there is the false ego/self that thinks it is the body, which is beyond the mind.
A braindead person can still live without the mind, it is the soul that gives life to the body, not the mind or false ego. The body dies when the soul leaves the body.
A braindead person no longer is the false identity. That person at that point may as well be cattle. Braindeath is death. The brain informs us of who we are. All of our identity is informed by the material world. We are even given our names by other humans who also use their senses to individualize and categorize all matter. When this "self" construct fails us , we will see true oneness. |
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If there were, it was on account of their ignorance."
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2010, 04:18:00 PM » |
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A braindead person no longer is the false identity. That person at that point may as well be cattle. Braindeath is death. The brain informs us of who we are. All of our identity is informed by the material world. We are even given our names by other humans who also use their senses to individualize and categorize all matter.
When this "self" construct fails us , we will see true oneness.
A braindead or unconscious body still has a heart that beats and lungs that breathe without any mind sense of self. It is said that the soul is situated in the heart, and the soul makes the heart beat. Here's a Gita quote in some agreement with you about oneness/beyond duality: BG 6.5: One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well. BG 6.6: For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest enemy. BG 6.7: For one who has conquered the mind, the Supersoul is already reached, for he has attained tranquillity. To such a man happiness and distress, heat and cold, honor and dishonor are all the same. (The Supersoul is a part of God that gives life to the individual soul.) |
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2010, 04:26:29 PM » |
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Thanks for asking nicely! You're v welcome and thank you for the knowledge you have bestowed upon me. The writings are beautiful! For someone who sincerely loves Jesus, all you really need to know is His most important teaching...to love God with all of your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbors as yourself. Everything we need to know for our soul's journey is revealed as we are ready when we follow this simple teaching.
I do believe that as well. It's in the Book of John (I think) if anybody out there is following this convo. Peace, love and many blessings to you, my friend. |
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