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« on: February 06, 2010, 03:05:29 PM »

Excellent article!!

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Disinformation Tactics: The Methods Used To Keep You In The Dark

By Giordano Bruno

Neithercorp Press - 02/04/2010



There was a time, not too long ago (relatively speaking), that governments and the groups of elites that controlled them did not find it necessary to conscript themselves into wars of disinformation. Propaganda was relatively straightforward. The lies were much simpler. The control of information flow was easily directed. In fact, during the early Middle-Ages in most European countries commoners were not even allowed to own a Bible, nor was the Bible allowed to be interpreted from Latin to another language, let alone any other tome that might breed “dangerous ideas”. This was due in large part to the established feudal system and its hierarchy of royals and clergy. Rules were enforced with the threat of property confiscation and execution for anyone who strayed from the rigid socio-political structure. Those who had theological, metaphysical, or scientific information outside of the conventional and scripted collective world view were tortured and slaughtered. The elites kept the information to themselves, and removed its remnants from mainstream recognition, sometimes for centuries before it was rediscovered.

With the advent of anti-feudalism, and most importantly the success of the American Revolution, elites were no longer able to dominate information with the edge of a blade or the barrel of a gun. The establishment of Democracies (and Democratic Republics), with their philosophy of open government and rule by the people, compelled Aristocratic minorities to plot more subtle ways of obstructing the truth and thus maintaining their hold over the world without exposing themselves to retribution from the masses. Thus, the complex art of disinformation was born. The technique, the “magic” of the lie, was refined and perfected. The mechanics of the human mind and the human soul became an endless obsession for the elites.

The goal was malicious, but socially radical; instead of expending the impossible energy needed to dictate the very form and existence of the truth, they would allow it to drift, obscured in a fog of contrived data. They would wrap the truth in a “Gordian Knot” of misdirections and fabrications so elaborate that they felt certain the majority of people would surrender, giving up long before they ever finished unraveling the deceit. The goal was not to destroy the truth, but to hide it in plain sight.

In modern times, and with carefully engineered methods, this goal has for the most part been accomplished. However, these methods also have inherent weaknesses. Lies are fragile. They require constant attentiveness to keep them alive. The exposure of a single truth can rip through an ocean of lies, evaporating it instantly. In this article, we will examine the methods used to fertilize and promote the growth of disinformation, as well as how to identify the roots of disinformation and effectively cut them, starving out the entire system of fallacies once and for all.

Media Disinformation Methods

The mainstream media, once tasked with the job of investigating government corruption and keeping elitists in line, has now become nothing more than a PR firm for corrupt officials and their Globalist handlers. The days of the legitimate “investigative reporter” are long gone, and journalism itself has deteriorated into a rancid pool of so called “TV Editorialists” who treat their own baseless opinions as supported fact.

The elitist co-opting of news has been going on in one form or another since the invention of the printing press, however, the first methods of media disinformation truly came to fruition under the supervision of newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, who believed the truth was “subjective” and open to his personal interpretation. Hearst’s legacy of lies and sensationalism lives on in the Hearst published magazine ‘Popular Mechanics’, who accuse the growing 9/11 Truth Movement of outrageous “conspiracy theory” while at the same time consistently publishing articles about UFO sightings and secret government flying saucer programs.




As we will show, this strange juxtaposition of mixed signals and hypocritical accusations is characteristic of all purveyors of disinformation.

Some of the main tactics used by the mainstream media to mislead the masses are as follows:

Lie Big, Retract Quietly

Mainstream media sources (especially newspapers) are notorious for reporting flagrantly dishonest and unsupported news stories on the front page, then quietly retracting those stories on the very back page when they are caught. In this case, the point is to railroad the lie into the collective consciousness. Once the lie is finally exposed, it is already too late, and a large portion of the population will not notice or care when the truth comes out. A good example of this would be the collusion of the MSM with the Bush administration to convince the American public after 9/11 that Iraq had WMDs, even though no concrete evidence existed to prove it. George W. Bush’s eventual admission that there had never been any WMDs in Iraq (except chemical weapons which the U.S. actually sold to Saddam under the Reagan / Bush administration) was lightly reported or glazed over by most mainstream news sources. The core reason behind a war that has now killed over a million people was proven to be completely fraudulent, yet I still run into people today who believe that Iraq had nukes…

Unconfirmed Or Controlled Sources As Fact

Cable news venues often cite information from “unnamed” sources, government sources that have an obvious bias or agenda, or “expert” sources without providing an alternative “expert” view. The information provided by these sources is usually backed by nothing more than blind faith. A recent example of this would be the Osama Bin Laden audio tapes which supposedly reveal that the Christmas “Underwear Bomber” was indeed Al-Qaeda:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/osama-bin-laden-addresses-president-obama-audio-tape/story?id=9650267

The media treats the audio tape as undeniable fact in numerous stories, then at the same time prints a side story which shows that the White House cannot confirm that the tape is even real:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60N16I20100124

If the White House cannot confirm the authenticity of the tape, then why did the media report on its contents as if it had been confirmed?

Calculated Omission

Otherwise known as “cherry picking” data. One simple piece of information or root item of truth can derail an entire disinfo news story, so instead of trying to gloss over it, they simply pretend as if it doesn’t exist. When the fact is omitted, the lie can appear entirely rational. This tactic is also used extensively when disinformation agents and crooked journalists engage in open debate.

Distraction, and the Manufacture of Relevance

Sometimes the truth wells up into the public awareness regardless of what the media does to bury it. When this occurs their only recourse is to attempt to change the public’s focus and thereby distract them from the truth they were so close to grasping. The media accomplishes this by “over-reporting” on a subject that has nothing to do with the more important issues at hand. Ironically, the media can take an unimportant story, and by reporting on it ad nauseum, cause many Americans to assume that because the media won’t shut-up about it, it must be important! An example of this would be the recent push for an audit of the Federal Reserve which was gaining major public support, as well as political support. Instead of reporting on this incredible and unprecedented movement for transparency in the Fed, the MSM spent two months or more reporting non-stop on the death of Michael Jackson, a pop idol who had not released a decent record since “Thriller,” practically deifying the man who only months earlier was being lambasted by the same MSM for having “wandering hands” when children were about.

Dishonest Debate Tactics

Sometimes, men who actually are concerned with the average American’s pursuit of honesty and legitimate fact-driven information break through and appear on T.V. However, rarely are they allowed to share their views or insights without having to fight through a wall of carefully crafted deceit and propaganda. Because the media knows they will lose credibility if they do not allow guests with opposing viewpoints every once in a while, they set up and choreograph specialized T.V. debates in highly restrictive environments which put the guest on the defensive, and make it difficult for them to clearly convey their ideas or facts.

TV pundits are often trained in what are commonly called “Alinsky Tactics.” Saul Alinsky was a moral relativist, and champion of the lie as a tool for the “greater good;” essentially, a modern day Machiavelli. His “Rules for Radicals” were supposedly meant for grassroots activists who opposed the establishment, and emphasized the use of any means necessary to defeat one’s political opposition. But is it truly possible to defeat an establishment built on lies, by use of even more elaborate lies, and by sacrificing one’s ethics?

Today, Alinsky’s rules are used more often by the establishment than by its opposition. These tactics have been adopted by governments and disinformation specialists across the world, but they are most visible in TV debate. While Alinsky sermonized about the need for confrontation in society, his debate tactics are actually designed to circumvent real and honest confrontation of opposing ideas with slippery tricks and diversions. Alinsky’s tactics, and their modern usage, can be summarized as follows:

1) Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.

We see this tactic in many forms. For example, projecting your own movement as mainstream, and your opponent’s as fringe. Convincing your opponent that his fight is a futile one. Your opposition may act differently, or even hesitate to act at all, based on their perception of your power.

2) Never go outside the experience of your people, and whenever possible, go outside of the experience of the enemy.

Don’t get drawn into a debate about a subject you do not know as well as or better than your opposition. If possible, draw them into such a situation instead. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty in your opposition. This is commonly used against unwitting interviewees on cable news shows whose positions are set up to be skewered. The target is blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address. In television and radio, this also serves to waste broadcast time to prevent the target from expressing his own positions.

3) Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

The objective is to target the opponent’s credibility and reputation by accusations of hypocrisy. If the tactician can catch his opponent in even the smallest misstep, it creates an opening for further attacks.

4) Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

“Ron Paul is a crackpot.” “Dennis Kucinich is short and weird.” “9-11 twoofers wear tinfoil hats.” Ridicule is almost impossible to counter. It’s irrational. It infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage. It also works as a pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

5) A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

The popularization of the term “Teabaggers” is a classic example, it caught on by itself because people seem to think it’s clever, and enjoy saying it. Keeping your talking points simple and fun keeps your side motivated, and helps your tactics spread autonomously, without instruction or encouragement.

6) A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

See rule number 6. Don’t become old news. If you keep your tactics fresh, its easier to keep your people active. Not all disinformation agents are paid. The “useful idiots” have to be motivated by other means. Mainstream disinformation often changes gear from one method to the next and then back again.

7) Keep the pressure on with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. Never give the target a chance to rest, regroup, recover or re-strategize. Take advantage of current events and twist their implications to support your position. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Cool The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

This goes hand in hand with Rule #1. Perception is reality. Allow your opposition to expend all of its energy in expectation of an insurmountable scenario. The dire possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.

9) The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

The objective of this pressure is to force the opposition to react and make the mistakes that are necessary for the ultimate success of the campaign.

10) If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside.

As grassroots activism tools, Alinsky tactics have historically been used (for example, by labor movements) to force the opposition to react with violence against activists, which leads to popular sympathy for the activists’ cause. Today, false (or co-opted) grassroots movements use this technique in debate as well as in planned street actions. The idea is to provoke (or stage) ruthless attacks against ones’ self, so as to be perceived as the underdog, or the victim. Today, this technique is commonly used to create the illusion that a certain movement is “counterculture” or “anti-establishment.”

11) The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. Today, this is often used offensively against legitimate activists, such as the opponents of the Federal Reserve. Complain that your opponent is merely “pointing out the problems.” Demand that they offer a solution.

12) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. The targets supporters will expose themselves. Go after individual people, not organizations or institutions. People hurt faster than institutions.

The next time you view an MSM debate, watch the pundits carefully, you will likely see many if not all of the strategies above used on some unsuspecting individual attempting to tell the truth.

Internet Disinformation Methods

Because the MSM’s bag of tricks has been so exhausted over such a long period of time, many bitter and enraged consumers of information are now turning to alternative news sources, most of which exist on the collective commons we call the internet. At first, it appears, the government and elitists ignored the web as a kind of novelty, or just another mechanism they could exploit in spreading disinformation. As we all now well know, they dropped the ball, and the internet has become the most powerful tool for truth history has ever seen.

That being said, they are now expending incredible resources in order to catch up to their mistake, utilizing every trick in their arsenal to beat web users back into submission. While the anonymity of the internet allows for a certain immunity against many of Saul Alinsky’s manipulative tactics, it also allows governments to attack those trying to spread the truth covertly. In the world of web news, we call these people “disinfo trolls.” Trolls are now being openly employed by governments in countries like the U.S. and Israel specifically to scour the internet for alternative news sites and disrupt their ability to share information.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Raw_obtains_CENTCOM_email_to_bloggers_1016.html

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090104/FOREIGN/882042198/1002

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/10793-twitterers-paid-to-spread-israeli-propaganda-internet-warfare-team-unveiled.html

Internet trolls, also known as “paid posters” or “paid bloggers,” are increasingly being employed by private corporations as well, often for marketing purposes. In fact, it is a rapidly growing industry.

Trolls use a wide variety of strategies, some of which are unique to the internet, here are just a few:

1) Make outrageous comments designed to distract or frustrate: An Alinsky tactic used to make people emotional, although less effective because of the impersonal nature of the web.

2) Pose as a supporter of the truth, then make comments that discredit the movement: We have seen this even on our own forums — trolls pose as supporters of the Liberty Movement, then post long, incoherent diatribes so as to appear either racist or insane. Here is a live example of this tactic in use on Yahoo! Answers.

The key to this tactic is to make references to common Liberty Movement arguments while at the same time babbling nonsense, so as to make those otherwise valid arguments seem ludicrous by association.

In extreme cases, these “Trojan Horse Trolls” have been known to make posts which incite violence — a technique obviously intended to solidify the false assertions of the notorious MIAC report and other ADL/SPLC publications which purport that constitutionalists should be feared as potential domestic terrorists.

3) Dominate Discussions: Trolls often interject themselves into productive web discussions in order to throw them off course and frustrate the people involved.

4) Prewritten Responses: Many trolls are supplied with a list or database with pre-planned talking points designed as generalized and deceptive responses to honest arguments. 9/11 “debunker” trolls are notorious for this.

5) False Association: This works hand in hand with item #2, by invoking the stereotypes established by the “Trojan Horse Troll.”

For example: calling those against the Federal Reserve “conspiracy theorists” or “lunatics”. Deliberately associating anti-globalist movements with big foot or alien enthusiasts, because of the inherent negative connotations. Using false associations to provoke biases and dissuade people from examining the evidence objectively.

6) False Moderation: Pretending to be the “voice of reason” in an argument with obvious and defined sides in an attempt to move people away from what is clearly true into a “grey area” where the truth becomes “relative.”

7) Straw Man Arguments: A very common technique. The troll will accuse his opposition of subscribing to a certain point of view, even if he does not, and then attacks that point of view. Or, the troll will put words in the mouth of his opposition, and then rebut those specific words. For example: “9/11 truthers say that no planes hit the WTC towers, and that it was all just computer animation. What are they, crazy?”

Sometimes, these strategies are used by average people with serious personality issues. However, if you see someone using these tactics often, or using many of them at the same time, you may be dealing with a paid internet troll.

Government Disinformation Methods

Governments, and the globalists who back them, have immense assets — an almost endless fiat money printing press — and control over most legal and academic institutions. With these advantages, disinformation can be executed on a massive scale. Here are just a handful of the most prominent tactics used by government agencies and private think tanks to guide public opinion, and establish the appearance of consensus:

1) Control The Experts: Most Americans are taught from kindergarten to ignore their instincts for the truth and defer to the “professional class” for all their answers. The problem is that much of the professional class is indoctrinated throughout their college years, many of them molded to support the status quo. Any experts that go against the grain are ostracized by their peers.

2) Control The Data: By controlling the source data of any investigation, be it legal or scientific, the government has the ability to engineer any truth they wish, that is, as long as the people do not care enough to ask for the source data. Two major examples of controlled and hidden source data include; the NIST investigation of the suspicious 9/11 WTC collapses, in which NIST engineers, hired by the government, have kept all source data from their computer models secret, while claiming that the computer models prove the collapses were “natural”. Also, the recent exposure of the CRU Climate Labs and their manipulation of source data in order to fool the public into believing that Global Warming is real, and accepting a world-wide carbon tax. The CRU has refused to release the source data from its experiments for years, and now we know why.

3) Skew The Statistics: This tactic is extremely evident in the Labor Department’s evaluations on unemployment, using such tricks as incorporating ambiguous birth / death ratios into their calculation in order to make it appear as though there are less unemployed people than there really are, or leaving out certain subsections of the population, like those who are unemployed and no longer seeking benefits.

3) Guilt By False Association: Governments faced with an effective opponent will always attempt to demonize that person or group in the eyes of the public. This is often done by associating them with a group or idea that the public already hates. Example: During the last election, they tried to associate Ron Paul supporters with racist groups (and more recently, certain Fox News anchors) in order to deter moderate Democrats from taking an honest look at Congressman Paul’s policies.

4) Manufacture Good News: This falls in with the skewing of statistics, and it also relies heavily on Media cooperation. The economic “Green Shoots” concept is a good example of the combination of government and corporate media interests in order to create an atmosphere of false optimism based on dubious foundations.

5) Controlled Opposition: Men in positions of power have known for centuries the importance of controlled opposition. If a movement rises in opposition to one’s authority, one must usurp that movement’s leadership. If no such movement exists to infiltrate, the establishment will often create a toothless one, in order to fill that social need, and neutralize individuals who might have otherwise taken action themselves.

During the 1960’s and 70’s, the FBI began a secretive program called COINTELPRO. Along with illegal spying on American citizens who were against the Vietnam conflict or in support of the civil rights movement, they also used agents and media sources to pose as supporters of the movement, then purposely created conflict and division, or took control of the direction of the movement altogether. This same tactic has been attempted with the modern Liberty Movement on several levels, but has so far been ineffective in stopping our growth.

The NRA is another good example of controlled opposition, as many gun owners are satisfied that paying their annual NRA dues is tantamount to actively resisting anti-gun legislation; when in fact, the NRA is directly responsible for many of the compromises which result in lost ground on 2nd amendment issues. In this way, gun owners are not only rendered inactive, but actually manipulated into funding the demise of their own cause.

6) False Paradigms: Human beings have a tendency to categorize and label other people and ideas. It is, for better or worse, a fundamental part of how we understand the complexities of the world. This component of human nature, like most any other, can be abused as a powerful tool for social manipulation. By framing a polarized debate according to artificial boundaries, and establishing the two poles of that debate, social engineers can eliminate the perceived possibility of a third alternative. The mainstream media apparatus is the key weapon to this end. The endless creation of dichotomies, and the neat arrangement of ideologies along left/right lines, offers average people a very simple (though hopelessly inaccurate) way of thinking about politics. It forces them to choose a side, usually based solely on emotional or cultural reasons, and often lures them into supporting positions they would otherwise disagree with. It fosters an environment in which beating the other team is more important than ensuring the integrity of your own. Perhaps most importantly, it allows the social engineer to determine what is “fair game” for debate, and what is not.

Alinsky himself wrote: “One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”

One merely needs to observe a heated debate between a Democrat and a Republican to see how deeply this belief has been ingrained on both sides, and how destructive it is to true intellectual discourse.

Stopping Disinformation



The best way to disarm disinformation agents is to know their methods inside and out. This gives us the ability to point out exactly what they are doing in detail the moment they try to do it. Immediately exposing a disinformation tactic as it is being used is highly destructive to the person utilizing it. It makes them look foolish, dishonest, and weak for even making the attempt. Internet trolls most especially do not know how to handle their methods being deconstructed right in front of their eyes, and usually fold and run from debate when it occurs.

The truth, is precious. It is sad that there are so many in our society that have lost respect for it; people who have traded in their conscience and their soul for temporary financial comfort while sacrificing the stability and balance of the rest of the country in the process. The human psyche breathes on the air of truth, without it, humanity cannot survive. Without it, the species will collapse in on itself, starving from lack of intellectual and emotional sustenance. Disinformation does not only threaten our insight into the workings of our world; it makes us vulnerable to fear, misunderstanding, and doubt, all things that lead to destruction. It can lead good people to commit terrible atrocities against others, or even against themselves. Without a concerted and organized effort to diffuse mass-produced lies, the future will look bleak indeed.


Special thanks to AgentOgden for helping with the arduous task of compiling the numerous disinfo-tactics being used today.

See Also:
Controlling The Minds Of The Masses: How It Is Done And Why
Sheeple: Why They Are The Way They Are

For further reading on Alinsky debate tactics, some of which goes a bit beyond the scope of this article, please see this piece on the “Alinsky Method” variation of the Delphi Technique, as well as this summary of Alinsky’s “Rules for the Ethics of Means and Ends” which is highly pertinent to the subject of moral relativism.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »

Very good, Thx!

More on Propaganda:
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 10:59:13 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 12:00:59 AM »

By fr the most obvious and least well moderated technique of disinfo agents on boards like this is:

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3) Dominate Discussions: Trolls often interject themselves into productive web discussions in order to throw them off course and frustrate the people involved.

This is most commonly seen as endless cut and paste posts applied to a thread after an argument has been TORN TO SHREDS AND LOST HANDS DOWN In order to subvert the discussion thread back to the very dogma that was previously TOTALLY DISCREDITED.

The intent here is to BURY THE LOST ARGUMENT AND WELL REPRESENTED ALTERNATIVE VIEWS OR COUNTER-ARGUMENTS, so that the current state of the thread (most recent pages) all once again contain the lies and disinfo AS IF THERE NEVER HAD BEEN ANY DISCUSSION.

In effect it is never a genuine alternate rebuttal but merely a reposted reiteration if the false, defective or misleading DOGMA often cut and pasted back out of the hymn book that has been discredited!

One of the most notorious threads of this sort (though not solely it) is the rabid conservatist "hijacked religion/bible thumping" thread which is nearly five times longer than the book itself 70% of which is simply cuts and pastes of the same handful of sections, while 10% is thoughtful, considerate and enlightening or inspiring discussion with the remainder being just personal attacks of any and all objectors with cut and pasted condemnations of no thoughtful, considerate nor topical relevance.

Disinfo agents must "own" a topic, they can never let any alternate or opposing view be seen nor read.

Thus the topic continually goes "full circle" and all the discredited disinfo is again at the top of the heap.

Burial, by first, insult and then, piled on reiterated dogma is the most popular and effective disinfo tool of all, the practice being attack the messenger, do not EVER debate the "heresy" and then bury it with a re-application of the programming dogma that "we all know".

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"Heresy" is a bad word to Christians. But to know why, you need to understand what the word actually means. "Heresy" comes from the Greek "hairesis", meaning "free choice". That's what religion opposes when it opposes heresy; FREEDOM. Heretics are people who decide for themselves what to think and when, why and how to think it. Corporate religious "Orders" do not like that sort of behavior. They burn heretics. (and their thoughts, evidence and researches too)

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 10:45:00 AM »

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Excellent piece on the tactics used to manipulate people. Everyone should read this.

If you know their tactics, you can see them in action on your nightly news and in every single debate. I see this played out repeatedly now that I'm aware of it.


THIS NEEDS TO BE POSTED EVERYWHERE!
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 11:18:32 AM »

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Excellent piece on the tactics used to manipulate people. Everyone should read this.

If you know their tactics, you can see them in action on your nightly news and in every single debate. I see this played out repeatedly now that I'm aware of it.


THIS NEEDS TO BE POSTED EVERYWHERE!

You can also see them right at work in THIS very forum.   Wink
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 11:56:36 AM »

You can also see them right at work in THIS very forum.   Wink


Absolutely! If you read this document, you can spot these types, and ignore them or call them out!  Wink

Also, in the next debate you hear on TV, you can spot the DISINFO KINGS and the idiots who aren't there for the right reasons and then vote against them. Enough of this manipulation and foolishness. It's time to get these fools out of politics and replace them with people who don't play games with our Country!


ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

Do you remember idiot Rudy Giuliani laughing at Ron Paul during the debates? He was using these childish tactics to embarass and discredit Ron Paul. The funny thing is RUDY THE FOOL has now been discredited himself. IMO, Rudy has information about 911 that he isn't telling. The man is a disgrace. He may have laughed at Ron Paul then, but RON PAUL is the bigger man now:
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Find more Examples of how these idiots use these tactics to deceive people here:
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 12:31:12 PM »

I have been observing the shenanigans of a group of paid disinfo agents on the IMDb discussion forums for the movie JFK for several years now. I gave up even posting there, as it is simply a losing battle. These guys repeat the same bull$hit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Any valid point you may make, or any evidence you may offer, is quickly buried by an onslaught of lies, strawman arguments, insults, distortions, appeals to authority, etc. This has been going on for at least 4 years, nonstop. One of the perpetrators has been positively exposed as a paid disinfo agent named Gary Mack (real name Larry Dunkle). Seems he got into a messy divorce several years ago after he lost his job as a radio host. He was then offered the job of running the adamantly pro lone gunman museum on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository for 100,000 dollars a year. Shill that he is, he jumped at the offer. On the IMDb forum, he goes by the moniker "quirt1." This same job was offered to researcher Robert Groden (High Treason) who had enough integrity and self respect to turn it down. The museum is funded by some local Dallas big wigs who seem intent on repairing some of the cities damaged national image due to certain conspiracy theories regarding the assassination.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the IMDb forum for JFK has been targeted for lone gunman disinformation, and that money is being spent to pay posters there.

Here is just a small sampling of the debunking posts that appear literally nonstop, at all hours of the day and night, on that forum -

"all the evidence points at LHO"

"Did you borrow this episode from Wendi's hallucination bank? "

"The thing is these tests have been repeated ad nauseum. I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel just today where the shooter did the same thing. It CAN be done."

"It's a relevant source. I imagine you hate people quoting it since it does thoroughly debunk so many of your points. "


"Okay, sorry.
Do you have any evidence that the New World Order is going to happen? "

"In other words, you have a bunch of laughable crap that no-one with a reasonably functioning brain would consider anything but comic relief."

"I'm curious if you're older than I am. I'm also curious if you're more intelligent than I am. Please tell me. "

"Sorry for calling you stupid earlier. I mean that. We went to Iraq because our president didn't like Saddam Hussein. I think that's pretty clear.
You have the floor.
Please tell us all about the New World Order.
What are their plans?
How do they operate?
What are they going to do about the overpopulation problem?
Any theories on UFO stuff?

Thanks!"

"Your belief that the new world order is going to happen seems like a blind faith. And all the evidence you have is youtube documentaries? That's just not enough. Not even close. I mean if I made a youtube documentary about the existence of the easter bunny, would you believe it? Everything on youtube must be true, right?

I've seen a couple of these and it's a lot of nonsense, in my opinion."

"Alex Jones made one or two of the pieces you mentioned and he does it because it's profitable for him. The documentary is free, but the exposure he gets helps his career. A lot of these conspiracy types feed off the public's interest in these things. They can make themselves a good career."

"I was given a book entitled Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History as a gift today, and I must say the early portions are fascinating. It does touch on the Kennedy assassination, but spends additional ink on the Elders of Zion, the 9/11 "Truth" movement and other conspiracy theories. I recommend it to conspiracy theorists and skeptics alike. And I look forward to a DVP book review. Here is more information.

http://www.amazon.com/Voodoo-Histories-Conspiracy-Shaping-History/dp/1 594488959/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265497559&sr=1-1

Note the angry reviews by conspiracy theorists who only heard the author speak on the radio or television but have not read the book. Sadly typical."

"I had seen reviews of the book as well, roark. I'll be sure to request it from my local library.
Like alcocer, the CTs will attack it because they can't refute it. Well, whaddya expect?"

"I know there is an urban legend that the JFK witnesses were rubbed out, and Stone resurrects that legend, but I don't think it has any validity. "

"That's one reason why the "rubbed out witnesses" claim is so ridiculous. Usually the "hits" in question were performed years after the crime that was so important to keep hidden."

"This demonstrates two things. One, the incredible capacity for people to absorb nonsense from the internet. Nothing like the internet has existed before, and sadly it has grown to be the main source of nonsense in the world. From vicious and moronic rumors about political figures to nonsense about 9/11 to vaccination hysteria, the internet is a gigantic rumor mill gone mad. Baseless gossip consumed by the billions. Crap that simply would have not been believed by anyone twenty years ago is swallowed with relish today by countless individuals. It's more than a bit scary.

Two, it demonstrates that when it comes to certain subjects like this, many people, yourself included, are not interested in what really happened. You are interested in keeping the mystery alive. "I have questions" you say. Why not research the subject in earnest, then? Have you read With Malice, Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit? Its author, Dale Myers, spent twenty years researching the killing and its aftermath. Twenty years. He interviewed everyone who was still alive. He painstakingly recreated what Oswald and Tippit did, and he dispels a lot of rumors by showing that they have no basis in fact. And when he started to work on the book, he was a conspiracy theorist. If you haven't read it, you are not interested in having questions answered. By contrast, the youtube video you are using as evidence cites nothing and simply states factoids without even trying to show that they come from a reliable source.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Oswald murdered this man, and it is shameful that this mendacity flourishes today."






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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 01:15:58 PM »

Why is there not more input into this most interesting and pertinent of threads? Seems like the forum has been a bit lukewarm for awhile. C'mon lurkers. Give the rest of us your two cents!

Inside the Target Car, Part Three
How Gary Mack became Dan Rather

By James DiEugenio

http://ctka.net/2009/target_car_jd3.html

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"Which brings us to the second overt way Loomis and the Dark Side struck back. See, Paul Nolan is an alias. More accurately, it is an undercover name. Paul Nolan's real name is John McAdams. And to understand why Loomis and company would use him to go after COPA and defend David Phillips, you have to understand a bit about his background.

McAdams first surfaced after Stone's film was released. But he first reared his ugly visage not in public, but on the Internet. He began to frequent many of the JFK forums that sprang up around the time period of 1992-93. Except he outdid almost anyone in the number of posts he delivered. At times they were around fifty per day. (Probe Vol. 3 No. 3 p. 13) But as I wrote at the time, his personality was so repellent and his style so pugnacious that many new to the field saw through him quickly. One wrote in an e-mail: "McAdams is a spook isn't he ... I am concerned about McAdams and his ilk. The stuff he puts up on the 'Net is pure disinformation ... The stuff McAdams puts on the 'Net is pure acid. He doesn't respond to the facts, he just discredits witnesses and posters." (ibid.)

At the time, I noted that McAdams liked to forge false messages in order to insult people in the JFK field, like Jim Garrison, and to promote others, like Posner. He would jump around from forum to forum posting disinformation. Like for example that Clay Shaw was never really on the Board of Directors of Permindex. According to McAdams, that was a myth promoted by Oliver Stone. Well, finally someone actually scanned Shaw's own Who's Who entry in which he himself noted he was on the board of Permindex. This shut up McAdams on that forum. So what did McAdams do? He went to another forum and said the same thing about Shaw—knowing it had been proven false! Nothing tells us more about the man than that fact. And nothing tells us more about the people who choose to associate with McAdams in spite of that, e.g. Dave Reitzes and David Von Pein.

But one good thing about McAdams at the time, at least for the Dark Side, was that his presence in the JFK case had been confined to the Internet. So very few people in the critical community had ever seen him. That facial anonymity, plus his willingness in using a false name made him useful in the attack against COPA. In 1995, McAdams/Nolan attended the COPA Conference in Washington. Unfortunately for him, there actually was another JFK researcher whose real name was Paul Nolan. When he found out about the McAdams deception, he posted a web message: "I was just doing some research over the net. I wanted to see if anything came up that had my name in it. Guess what? My REAL name is Paul Nolan! Apparently some asshole wants to use my name as an alias." (ibid)

Using this phony name, McAdams went to the above conference. He happened to meet a conservative reporter named Matt Labash there. Labash was on assignment for City Paper out of Washington D.C. Nolan/McAdams told Labash that he managed a computer store in Shorewood, Wisconsin—which he did not. In Labash's resultant negative article on that conference, Nolan was the only participant quoted at length. And what was one of the things Labash quoted him on? Shades of Mark Zaid. It was Dr. Luis Alvarez' nutty "jet effect" explanation of Kennedy's back and to the left reaction in the Zapruder film. (ibid, p. 26)

Coincidence? Hardly. Labash had worked for rightwing propaganda mills like American Spectator and the intelligence riddled Washington Times. At the time of his hit piece on COPA he was working at Rupert Murdoch's Weekly Standard. Further, Labash is believed to have done this kind of infiltration assignment before for the Washington Times. His target then was the Institute for Policy Studies. When Gary Aguilar called Labash, he admitted that he had his "marching orders" from on high for his COPA assignment (ibid). To most people, it would appear that Colby and Shackley had fulfilled their mission. Except it was not through Russo. It was through McAdams masquerading as Paul Nolan."

"    "You are a damned liar!"
            —Gary Mack to a couple of speakers at Jim Marrs' JFK class

Anyone who played a part in producing a show as completely and thoroughly deceptive as JFK: Inside the Target Car has no right in calling anyone a liar. Yet this is something Gary Mack did at Jim Marrs' UT at Arlington JFK class. This was to Jim's invited guests who were offering up their testimony for acceptance or rejection by his students. And he did it more than once. And he did it with Dave Perry at his side. According to some, with Perry alternately pulling and loosening his leash. It's an interesting association, Dave Perry and Gary Mack. How did it come to be?

As most people know, Mack was one of the two main talking heads on Nigel Turner's mini-series documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. That series was originally shot in the 1980's and reportedly broadcast in England in 1988. It was after this show's original broadcast that Gary Mack's life took a turn for the worse. And like a deux ex machina in some medieval play, Dave Perry was there to extend a helping hand.

(Before I go any further with this part of the essay, I wish to explain something in advance. In what will follow I will use several anonymous sources. That is because some of the persons who I interviewed for this piece requested it. The reason I abided by their wishes is that the people behind The Sixth Floor Museum make up, as one source told me, the white power structure of Dallas. And, as we shall see in the case of Bob Groden, they play hardball. Secondly, the connections and character of Dave Perry are rather suspicious and sinister. I mean how many JFK researchers can claim FBI informant, and CIA applicant Hugh Aynesworth as their friend? Perry can. In light of the above, I think one can understand why much of the following will not be sourced.)

As previously noted, Gary Mack had been a JFK researcher for a long time before he appeared on the Nigel Turner series. He had helped the House Select Committee secure and test the acoustical evidence, which they found compelling. He also had done much work on the "Badgeman" image. But according to one source, Gary Mack didn't think he got enough credit for either of those two discoveries. (Which is probably why, even today, he still mildly pushes those two angles.) When Henry Hurt published his book Reasonable Doubt, he told Mack he was going to place the Badgeman image on the book's cover. He did not. Then Mack got the talking head gig for the Turner series. But the notoriety Gary Mack got from this show did not help him. It actually seemed to hurt him. He lost his job as an announcer at Channel 5 in Fort Worth.

But this was not the only misfortune that visited him at this time period. Prior to this, Gary Mack had been married and lived in a nice upper middle-class suburban development of Fort Worth named Wedgwood. At around the time period he lost his job, he also lost his wife and was forced to sell his home in a the subsequent divorce proceedings. According to two sources, Mack (whose real name is Larry Dunkel, "Gary Mack" is only a broadcast name) blamed some of his problems on his JFK work. And not just with Nigel Turner. When he worked with the NBC affiliated Channel 5, he had dug through their archives to find original footage of the shooting of Oswald. In fact, he had assembled nearly one straight hour of important footage: 30 minutes before and after the murder of Lee Oswald by Jack Ruby.

But there is something I must note here about Mack/Dunkel's split from Channel 5. He got a rather generous severance package. Usually three or four weeks pay is standard for workers, and recall Mack was not part of management. If a worker gets two or three months, you are doing well. Gary Mack's severance package was for twice that. It was six months. Unusual as far as I know.

This is where it gets even more unusual. Once Mack got his rather large severance package, he did very little in the way of looking for suitable employment. In fact, he did very little at all. But he did tell one source that he knew there was an opening coming up at the Sixth Floor Museum, and he thought he was a leading candidate for the position.

Well the position of Director did come up. But Mack did not have the proper credentials in museum management. So Mack/Dunkel went back to college to attain the right background. This took awhile. So instead of waiting, when Gary Mack finished his studies, he assumed the position of curator, formerly held by Conover Hunt. Roughly speaking, this meant he would handle exhibits and collections and be their public spokesman.

If the reader detects something odd here, something more than meets the eye, he should. Because contrary to what Gary Mack tries to convey, the Sixth Floor Museum is an all-out supporter of the Warren Commission mythology about that Krazy Kid Oswald. They once offered a prominent Dallas researcher a position at a six figure salary. But they made it clear to him that he would now have to exclusively support the Warren Commission in public. He turned down the deal on those ethical grounds. Apparently, the new Gary Mack did not have that dilemma."


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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 01:21:34 PM »

Hal 9000 ,

Is there some reason you are cluttering up this thread with your long posts?

Are you trying to intentionally take away from the thread topic? Several of the points in the disinfo article could apply to what you're doing!


If you want to talk about JFK, then do it in another thread on that TOPIC! You are looking like a disinfo agent yourself by doing this! Please stop!

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 01:35:02 PM »

My posts are entirely germane to the thread topic. Why are you trying to start a fight? Hmmm....
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 01:39:41 PM »

My posts are entirely germane to the thread topic. Why are you trying to start a fight? Hmmm....

This thread is about teaching people about DISINFO TACTICS, not to post long diatribes on JFK. There are plenty of JFK threads you can post to if that's something you enjoy talking about.



Also refer to Agentbluescreens post above!
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 02:05:04 PM »

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This thread is about teaching people about DISINFO TACTICS, not to post long diatribes on JFK. There are plenty of JFK threads you can post to if that's something you enjoy talking about.



Also refer to Agentbluescreens post above!

It seems I really got your goat here. What did I do, post some sensitive info on a couple of your fellow internet disinformation colleagues?

Seriously, take a seditive and calm down. It will be all right. lol  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2010, 02:50:45 PM »

Being a former member of that Rapture Ready MB for almost a year, I can attest to this - when I first joined in July 2008, everything was set up by Todd Strandberg, Terry James, and their mod team to make everyone think and act the same over the following...1) Bush and Cheney were good Christian men who protected the interests of our freedoms, 2) Considering #1, any "bad" or "calamity" events happening like the RealID Act, the mini war in South Othesia(sp) that August, et al were just MERELY "prophetic"(and this DESPITE both Bush and the GOP Congress RAMMING this RealID Act in '05), 3) If McCain got elected, then he would have protected our interests by taking out Iran's nuclear facilities(and this DESPITE many ramblings there over how an Iran strike would lead to WW3 and the rapture/7 year trib), 4) With Bush as Prez, the USA/Israel were "good", while the ME arab countries were "bad", 5) We couldn't talk about "government conspiracies" like the North American Union, 9/11 being an inside job, the Plunge Protection Team, the JFK conspiracy assassination, et al b/c supposedly talking about these conspiracies would "hurt our witness of the gospel to others", and last but not least...

6) The minute Obama got elected in Nov '08, we all had to believe that the rapture of the church was imminent b/c we would be protected from this monster and devil President. AND how he would be friendly and comfy with Iran, and in essence hurt Israel's protection.(i.e. as well all know here, Obama SUPPORTS the neocon agenda of getting involved in all these wars - I even showed youtube videos of Obama saying these comments of supporting wars, and they still wouldn't listen)

Well...we're in year 2 of Obama's Presidency, and the 'rapture' hasn't happened yet, from what I've read on one of their sister MBs, the GOP showing potential is going to give them hope...
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Yes, always be wary of anyone who tries to tell you what you can and cannot go into. They are called gatekeepers and they are on every internet forum where deep political topics are being discussed. Even on this forum, if you get my drift.  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 04:23:55 PM »

Being a former member of that Rapture Ready MB for almost a year, I can attest to this -

No offense, but damn near every other post you make reference to RR, are you obsessed for some reason??  Just askin............
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 04:31:11 PM »

No offense, but damn near every other post you make reference to RR, are you obsessed for some reason??  Just askin............

No - thought I would share my experiences here when it's appropriate(like this thread).
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2010, 04:35:07 PM »

No - thought I would share my experiences here when it's appropriate(like this thread).

Right on......glad you didn't flame me I was TRYING not to be rude.   Grin
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 04:40:58 PM »

Todays show has been stressful for me, 2 hours of bitching.

Learned zero.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2010, 05:05:17 PM »

I learned that China, Italy, Australia can no longer get Alex Jones on the Net.  Too much truth.  I learned that there won't be an internet unless we start bitching.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2010, 05:11:41 PM »

I learned that China, Italy, Australia can no longer get Alex Jones on the Net.  Too much truth.  I learned that there won't be an internet unless we start bitching.
Thanks for reply friend, i'm stressed tonight, we got 6 globals and the general section still looks like a disaster area, 11 pages of it, 1 page dedicated to new posts.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2010, 05:39:51 PM »

Duly noted jofortruth and hal9000 - perfect examples.


Neo-Goebbels-ists actually still think that if enough people appear to believe the BIG LIES that will somehow obscure the truth, time however, has always proven the opposite.

Some of us can actually catch the essence of a long and irrelevant disinfo diatribe from the first few lines of it, and rock a scroll wheel without difficulty.

In fact whenever you notice it, it just makes you need to find out what it was they so desperately wanted to bury!

What's even more hilarious (aside from being annoying) is when mods are in on it and actually delete the cause, for then it's so obvious the whole "nondiscussion" no longer even makes any sense.
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 01:04:26 PM »

Another disinfo tactic for posting boards is to create a bunch of random threads to bump a specific one down to page 2-3 so people dont see it or even lower, its seen alot at the glp board.
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 01:43:40 PM »

Another disinfo tactic for posting boards is to create a bunch of random threads to bump a specific one down to page 2-3 so people dont see it or even lower, its seen alot at the glp board.

Another think we observe is people posting nonsense in the main thread to also bump significant topics down to the bottom or to the next page.

Therefore, if you post something you want others to see, monitor it and add to it, or bump it from time to time, so new people will see it. We all have to manage our posts (as well as other good ones) at times to keep them seen!  (Like I did to this post! Even though not mine, I feel it is important for people to read!)
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2010, 01:52:18 PM »

Another disinfo tactic for posting boards is to create a bunch of random threads to bump a specific one down to page 2-3 so people dont see it or even lower, its seen alot at the glp board.

Yes, on GLP seen that ploy many times. The trolls have the biggest Avatars too. Just mention chemtrails and snakeairlines and the other clown avatars tag team. Lately, something is going on there. More threads stating that GLP is black ops and they are not returning...warnings. Plus, the GLP mods KNOW that these are shills and trolls but give them all the airtime they want. GLP is somehow connected.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2010, 01:56:13 PM »

Another disinfo tactic for posting boards is to create a bunch of random threads to bump a specific one down to page 2-3 so people dont see it or even lower, its seen alot at the glp board.
  yep you got that one spot on  check out Josh Reeves if you want real truth http://www.theglobalreality.com/radio-show  live now
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2010, 02:27:36 PM »

Yes, on GLP seen that ploy many times. The trolls have the biggest Avatars too. Just mention chemtrails and snakeairlines and the other clown avatars tag team. Lately, something is going on there. More threads stating that GLP is black ops and they are not returning...warnings. Plus, the GLP mods KNOW that these are shills and trolls but give them all the airtime they want. GLP is somehow connected.

Go to GLP and mention Tavistock or the owners name and they will ban the living hell out of your IP..
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