Student: ‘Beating So Bad Thought I Was Going To Die’

[worcesteradam]

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh police Chief Nate Harper said three plainclothes officers have been reassigned during an internal investigation into the beating of an 18-year-old student violinist from the city's Creative and Performing Arts High School.

Police charged Jordan Miles, 18, with assault and resisting arrest Jan. 11 because, they said, he fought with the officers who thought a "heavy object" in his coat was a gun. It turned out to be a bottle of Mountain Dew.
Miles said he resisted because he thought the men were trying to abduct him and didn't identify themselves as police.
Miles' family and attorney said he was hit with a stun gun and hospitalized after the violent Homewood struggle during which a chunk of his hair was yanked out and a tree branch went through his gums.
"I was accused for something I never had anything to do with," said Miles, an honor student at CAPA. "I was completely innocent. They couldn't find anything."

http://www.wpxi.com/news/22311848/detail.html

[Overcast]

Guilty until proven...  with some cash!

[Georgiacopguy]

I hope him and his family own those officers and that deparytment when it's all said and done. Officers need ot realize, people have the right and ability to resist an illegal arrest. Or sue if they choose not to at the time of the arrest.

[ekimdrachir]

Its insane these plainclothes officers, how can you know theyre not just some criminal trying to mug you, or kill you? How are you supposed to know if they are police if they ARENT WEARING THEIR UNIFORM!!?? Don't Americans still carry guns? If someone assaults you, do you defend yourself, or say "YOU MUST BE AN OFFICER OF THE LAW PLEASE KEEP BEATING ME SENSELESS!"

[Georgiacopguy]

I dont suggest you do it my way, but I'd resist as hard as I could resist, and if they up the charges, I know what I need to do to fight the charges. My advice to you is not to resist an illegal arrest, just fight it after the fact with evidence in criminal AND civil court. But as we've debated in earlier threads, this is all sound theory...IF you still trust the criminal justice system to work if you have hte facts on your side. If it truly is a corrupt machine, you are phucked either way.

Its insane these plainclothes officers, how can you know theyre not just some criminal trying to mug you, or kill you? How are you supposed to know if they are police if they ARENT WEARING THEIR UNIFORM!!?? Don't Americans still carry guns? If someone assaults you, do you defend yourself, or say "YOU MUST BE AN OFFICER OF THE LAW PLEASE KEEP BEATING ME SENSELESS!"

[ekimdrachir]

I dont suggest you do it my way, but I'd resist as hard as I could resist, and if they up the charges, I know what I need to do to fight the charges. My advice to you is not to resist an illegal arrest, just fight it after the fact with evidence in criminal AND civil court. But as we've debated in earlier threads, this is all sound theory...IF you still trust the criminal justice system to work if you have hte facts on your side. If it truly is a corrupt machine, you are phucked either way.

I understand and I don't advocate the use of "violent" force except in a moment for self preservation. There's mercenaries running around, private paramilitary, everyone and their brother work for "security" companies; infraguard and civilian corps literally makes EVERYONE a cop or a rat-- and the doc is judge jury and executioner when it comes to 'prescribing' your remedy. We have the right to be handled as cattle but not to question the wrangler or the butcher? I just am having a hard time figuring out where the line is being drawn then between what some criminal with 50k is able to pull off like in the movies dressing up as cops to commit their fraud-- and where honest people are supposed to put their trust! If two guys jumped me and didnt explain anything, i would resist too! And nobody can say they would do any different. I take it that he didnt know they were cops until AFTER he resisted right? You can't show a cop respect if you DONT KNOW THEY ARE A FREAKING COP!!! ( emphasis a la point )

[Georgiacopguy]

It's a very sound point. But when I worked undercover, we did wear police gear, we did yell stop police instead of freeze, we did everything we could to identify ourselves short of wearing full uniforms, and yet, people still tried to argue their resisting arrest charges saying they had no idea we were cops. So i can truly see both sides of the issue. But this kid doesn't sound like your typical street thug. Without even hearing the cops side, I'm willing to side with this kid based on the background the article gives. THAT right there tells ME something. (it also doesn't hurt that I'm turning very very anti-cop of late.)

The only thing we can do is try to tell our local governments that we do not want our police officers conducting takedowns in undercover capacity. That we want to know for certain that if we are being assaulted that the people doing so are in no way or form police officers.  We have to make it clear to the powers of local municipalities that if police officers conduct takedowns while UC, they stand a high chance of police defense or retaliation.

I can say with great that i would never be in a time place, or scenario where the police would have reason to take me down (unless that day soon comes when being a patriot, or speaking out against the gubment becomes a crime) So ANYBODY who would seek to attack me in such a manner can only be a criminal intending me harm. That said, they better be a quicker draw than I am.

I understand and I don't advocate the use of "violent" force except in a moment for self preservation. There's mercenaries running around, private paramilitary, everyone and their brother work for "security" companies; infraguard and civilian corps literally makes EVERYONE a cop or a rat-- and the doc is judge jury and executioner when it comes to 'prescribing' your remedy. We have the right to be handled as cattle but not to question the wrangler or the butcher? I just am having a hard time figuring out where the line is being drawn then between what some criminal with 50k is able to pull off like in the movies dressing up as cops to commit their fraud-- and where honest people are supposed to put their trust! If two guys jumped me and didnt explain anything, i would resist too! And nobody can say they would do any different. I take it that he didnt know they were cops until AFTER he resisted right? You can't show a cop respect if you DONT KNOW THEY ARE A FREAKING COP!!! ( emphasis a la point )

[ekimdrachir]

The only thing we can do is try to tell our local governments that we do not want our police officers conducting takedowns in undercover capacity.

This is the problem.

"Please Sir Can I Have Some Peace?"

[Georgiacopguy]

Not really, we conducted a lot of takedowns using marked vehicles and marked officers, leaving the undercovers in their UC capacity. If an agency won't do it that way, its simply because they are lazy, or do not want to pay additional budget towards it.

This is the problem.

"Please Sir Can I Have Some Peace?"

[ekimdrachir]

Exactly, it's 'useful' so asking govts to stop is laughable.
Better get ur carbon credits http://is.gd/75TaG

[worcesteradam]

what i dont get is that according to the news story, they beat the crap out of this guy then charged him with assault.

i have met plain clothes police and they flash their badge so fast you never get a chance to look at it. You dont know whether they are police or not, even if they claim they are.

[Georgiacopguy]

Sheriffs, want to get re-elected. Police chiefs answer to elected city councils. Apply the right pressure, in the right quantitity, and you can make those people squirm in delicious ways, and do exactly as the citizenry demand. Budgets can be lowered if they fail to do as aslked. Its about running for office, attaining that office, and using it for the benefit of the people.

Exactly, it's 'useful' so asking govts to stop is laughable.
Better get ur carbon credits http://is.gd/75TaG