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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2010, 05:05:12 PM »


“Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts.”

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2010, 05:07:24 PM »

“Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts.”

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

Yeah, if it weren't true why would William Cohen even mention it?
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2010, 05:20:29 PM »

Most of you, of Course GeorgiaCopguy(seriously why are you here) and Xill are misconstruing an argument laid by Sane and Anti-Illuminati. They aren't declaring FULL OUT that HAARP caused the Earth quake in Haiti. They are saying that there is STRONG suspicion for it to be so. And if you have information to bring to the prisonplanet table regarding Earth quake seismic acitivity. Actual fact based studies on earth quakes, heck you could even be a professor on it we would welcome it. Unfortunately, lots of you people with presumptions, of not everything is a conspiracy cockamany , are not providing any sort of information to ENLIGHTEN the rest of us to how the geo tectonic plates really work. Fortunately, other members like Pilikia, AI, Sane are providing interesting info to read. Most of the time,  I am busy. But I always stay on here to read myriads of data regarding the veritas of Humanity.

To wrap things up, THERE IS NO argument. You guys are trying to find ghosts or boogymen when no one is arguing anything pertinent enough to debate. SANE, AI are on the SAME boat as you guys. NONE of us TRULY know what is going on. But it you guys are trying to label us as kooks if a person like SANE suspects HUMAN intervention regarding Haiti 7.0 EQ. Really, you guys aren't fooling anyone, and you certainly wont get away with you chicanery here.

Hi Joseon,
I've read the stuff of A_I (his Ptech research is amazing) and Sane, they are people I respect very much here (even if Sane doesn't seem to like me). My argument is not against them at all, it's against the "It's-gotta-be-HAARP-people" every time some natural disaster happens.

I know there is weather modification going on and that they may be able to create earthquakes, I've also seen the documents. I just refuse to believe HAARP caused the Haiti (and now Venezuela - hours later) earthquakes without proofs therefore my message is "hold on". What some people here called "Strong evidence" is very week from my point of view [yes they may be able to do it, but it doesn't prove they did it - And Earthquakes were predicted in the area even years ago].

Why are you accusing me of trying to fool people and get away with inducing chicanery? A thread title like this one sounds like complete paranoia, thus forcing on all of us the derogatory label of "conspiracy theorists". I said/proposed that we should be more moderate in our way to analyze information and not pretend we know what is going on when in fact we clearly do not [again reffering to thread title].

Again, inverted logic asking us to prove how this is not a conspiracy. This is simply not how argumentation works, I'm more than ready to believe the Illuminati are behind this. It's all I have been saying over and over again yet you seem to think I'm some asshole disinfo agent.

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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2010, 05:21:03 PM »

Earthquakes:Natural or Man-Made?

 

By Jason Jeffrey

Precautions against unconventional arms must be intensified as potential terrorists develop chemical and biological weapons and electromagnetic methods that could create holes in the ozone layer or trigger earthquakes or volcanoes.
– Former US Secretary of Defense William Cohen speaking at the University of Georgia, 1997

The devastating tsunami created December 26, 2004 by a magnitude 9.0 earthquake that killed more than 300,000 people on the shores of the Indian Ocean caught the world off guard. It was the largest earthquake since the 9.2 magnitude Good Friday Earthquake off Alaska in 1964, and ties for fourth largest since 1900.

     The earthquake that struck the Indonesian island of Sumatra occurred in a location geologists know is susceptible to powerful earthquakes. The quake occurred along a “subduction zone,” in which the Indian tectonic plate is being subducted, or pulled beneath, the Burma tectonic platelet. The overlying plate jumped upward more than 4.5 metres, lifting the water above it and setting off the tsunami.

     For some, the finger of blame doesn’t point squarely at nature but at top secret military testing in the waters of the Indian Ocean.

     The Egyptian weekly magazine Al-Osboa claimed the earthquake that triggered the tsunami “was possibly” caused by an Indian nuclear experiment in which “Israeli and American nuclear experts participated”.

     An Australian researcher, Joe Vialls,1 in his article “Did New York Orchestrate The Asian Tsunami?” analyses how easy it would be to deliver “a multi-megaton thermonuclear weapon to the bottom of the Sumatran Trench, and then detonate it with awesome effect.”

     Days after the disaster, Canadian Professor Michel Chossudovsky wrote an article titled “Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster: Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean”.2 He noted “the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly tidal wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Centre’s list of contacts. Moreover, America’s strategic Naval base on the island of Diego Garcia had also been notified. Although directly in the path of the tidal wave, the Diego Garcia military base reported ‘no damage’.”

     “With modern communications, the information of an impending disaster could have been sent around the world in a matter of minutes, by email, by telephone, by fax, not to mention by live satellite television,” he adds.

     Others see the catastrophe as a ‘sign of the times’ in which we live, and a portent of what is to come as the Earth and humanity experience even more changes as part of the end of a world cycle.

Natural Earthquakes

     Natural earthquakes are caused by the movement of tectonic plates over the Earth’s mantle. Sandwiched between Earth’s crust and molten outer core, the vast mantle accounts for 83 percent of the planet’s volume. It is filled with solid rock but, heated by the core and by its own radioactive decay, it circulates like a pot of impenetrable soup. That circulation is the driving force behind the surface motion of tectonic plates, which builds mountains and causes earthquakes.

     The destructive power of an earthquake comes from the momentum gathered when two opposing “faults” or tectonic plates that may have been locked together for decades, suddenly move apart. The result is that solid rock which normally moves only with the passing of geological ages accelerates briefly to 8000 kmh, unleashing huge quantities of energy and creating a shaking movement of up to a metre a second.

     Most people consider earthquakes to be natural in origin, but what if there was such a thing as man-made earthquakes? Well, there are. There is the official version of what constitutes a man-made earthquake, and then there is a body of suppressed research pointing to a more insidious agenda.

Artificially-Induced Earthquakes

     Officially, there is an area of research devoted to man-made earthquakes. Geologists and seismologists agree earthquakes can be induced in five major ways: fluid injection into the Earth, fluid extraction from the Earth, mining or quarrying, nuclear testing and through the construction of dams and reservoirs.

     In fact, there are officially recorded instances of earthquakes caused by human activity.

     Geologists discovered that disposal of waste fluids by means of injecting them deep into the Earth could trigger earthquakes after a series of quakes in the Denver area occurred from 1962-1965; the periods and amounts of injected waste coincided with the frequency and magnitude of quakes in the Denver area. The earthquakes were triggered because the liquid, which was injected under very high pressure, released stored strain energy in the rocks.

     Man-made earthquakes may seem like something out of the X-Files, and it’s probably only a matter of time before the idea is picked up by Hollywood.

     The plotline of Hammer of Eden, written by best-selling author Ken Follett, revolves around a terrorist group threatening to level San Francisco with a man-made earthquake. When asked by Salon magazine how real is the idea of a man-made earthquake, Follett replied that, “Some of the seismologists told me, ‘There’s no way this could happen.’ But others gave sad little shrugs and said, ‘It’s hard to say. Who knows? Maybe. It’s within the realm of possibly.’”

Suppressed Research:
Tesla Technologies

     Born in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, Nikola Tesla is one of the 20th century’s greatest scientists. A prodigious inventor of electronic devices and pioneer of free energy, Tesla never gained the recognition he deserved because his scientific breakthroughs were deemed too ‘sensitive’ by the corporate and government powers of the day.

     In a book entitled Tesla – The Lost Inventions, a section is headed “Man-Made Earthquake”. It discloses Tesla’s fascination with the power of resonance and how he experimented with it not only electrically but on the mechanical plane as well. In his Manhattan lab, Tesla built mechanical vibrators and tested their powers. One experiment got out of hand.

     Tesla attached a powerful little vibrator driven by compressed air to a steel pillar. Leaving it there, he went about his business. Meanwhile, down the street, a violent quaking built up, shaking down plaster, bursting plumbing, cracking windows, and breaking heavy machinery off its anchorages.

     Tesla’s vibrator had found the resonant frequency of a deep sandy layer of subsoil beneath his building, setting off a small earthquake. Soon Tesla’s own building began to quake. It is reported that just as the police broke into his lab, Tesla was seen smashing the device with a sledge hammer, the only way he could promptly stop it.

     In a similar experiment, on an evening walk through the city, Tesla attached a battery powered vibrator, described as being the size of an alarm clock, to the steel framework of a building under construction. He adjusted it to a suitable frequency and set the structure into resonant vibration.

     The structure shook, and so did the earth under his feet. Tesla later boasted he could shake down the Empire State Building with such a device. If this claim was not extravagant enough, he went on to say a large-scale resonant vibration was capable of splitting the Earth in half.

     An article from the July 11, 1935 issue of the New York American entitled ‘Tesla’s Controlled Earthquakes’, stated Tesla’s “experiments in transmitting mechanical vibrations through the Earth – called by him ‘the art of telegeodynamics’ – were roughly described by the scientists as a sort of controlled earthquake.”

     The article quotes Tesla as saying:

    The rhythmical vibrations pass through the Earth with almost no loss of energy. It becomes possible to convey mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects. The invention could be used with destructive effect in war…

     The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article describing an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the ‘Tesla Effect.’

     According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave.

     In other words, “much more energy is now present in the standing wave than the …amount being fed in from the Earth’s surface.” By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can then be used to produce earthquakes induced at distant aiming points.

     Tesla expressed grave concerns about the effects of this technology because it is exactly the type of thing that could easily get out of control once it begins vibrating within the Earth – and it could actually cause the Earth to vibrate to pieces.

     Another leading Tesla researcher and nuclear engineer, Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden, lecturing at a Symposium of the US Psychotronics Association (USPA) in 1981, stated:

    Tesla found that he could set up standing waves… in the Earth (the molten core), or, just set it up through the rocks – the telluric activity in the rocks would furnish activity into these waves and one would get more potential energy in those waves than he put in. He called the concept the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter (TMT).

     Bearden goes on to explain how TMTs worked:

         They will go through anything. What you do is that you set up a standing wave through the Earth and the molten core of the Earth begins to feed that wave (we are talking Tesla now). When you have that standing wave, you have set up a triode. What you’ve done is that the molten core of the Earth is feeding the energy and it’s like your signal – that you are putting in – is gating the grid of a triode… Then what you do is that you change the frequency. If you change the frequency one way (start to dephase it), you dump the energy up in the atmosphere beyond the point on the other side of the Earth that you focused upon. You start ionising the air, you can change the weather flow patterns (jet streams etc) – you can change all that – if you dump it gradually, real gradually – you influence the heck out of the weather. It’s a great weather machine. If you dump it sharply, you don’t get little ionisation like that. You will get flashes and fireballs (plasma) that will come down on the surfaces of the Earth… you can cause enormous weather changes over entire regions by playing that thing back and forth.

HAARP: The Pentagon’s Ultimate Weapon

     In an Arctic compound 450 kilometres east of Anchorage, Alaska, the Pentagon has erected a powerful transmitter designed to beam more than a gigawatt of energy into the upper reaches of the atmosphere. Known as Project HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program), the experiment involves the world’s largest “ionospheric heater,” a device designed to zap the skies hundreds of kilometres above the Earth with high-frequency radio waves.

     Why irradiate the charged particles of the ionosphere (which when energised by natural processes make up the lovely and famous phenomenon known as the Northern Lights)? According to the US Navy and Air Force, co-sponsors of the project, “to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska’s ionosphere.” As well, admit the Pentagon, to develop new forms of communications and surveillance technologies to enable the military to send signals to nuclear submarines and to peer deep underground.

     Ever since the existence of HAARP became public, a number of independent researchers have warned the operation has a secret agenda including weather modification, mind control, hi-tech military experiments, and the triggering of earthquakes.

     HAARP transmissions may also be used for the detection and monitoring of electromagnetic or “plasma” phenomena, precursors of seismic activity and tectonic movement. Researchers believe HAARP transmissions are actually being used to activate or trigger exactly the same electromagnetic conditions that can cause tectonic movement.

     Jerry Smith in his book HAARP: The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy, warns many atmospheric scientists working on the secretive military project might be unaware of HAARP’s grave potential to wreak havoc on the Earth. He writes:

    If HAARP is a TMT [Tesla Magnifying Transmitter], and these researchers correctly understand Tesla’s work, we could be in a lot of trouble. It is quite possible that the scientists working on HAARP do not know what they are playing with… Beyond that their ignorance might be compounded if HAARP is indeed a secretive black-ops military project. The military has devised a way of keeping secrets called ‘compartmentalisation’ where each unit knows only what it needs to know… Only the control group knows what’s going on… If there is a control group familiar with TMTs directing the actions of scientists unschooled in Tesla technology, those lower level operatives could be directed to wreak havoc with created weather or manufactured earthquakes….

     The key technology behind HAARP is the brainchild of scientist Bernard Eastlund. Judging from his APTI patent, Tesla was a major inspiration for Eastlund’s ionospheric heater. A New York Times story, dated December 8, 1915, describes one of Tesla’s ideas which are remarkably similar to Eastlund’s.3

     In 1966, Professor Gordon J.F. MacDonald was associate director of the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California, Los Angeles, a member of the US President’s Science Advisory Committee, and later a member of the US President’s Council on Environmental Quality.

     He published papers on the use of environmental-control technologies for military purposes. MacDonald made a revealing comment: “The key to geophysical warfare is the identification of environmental instabilities to which the addition of a small amount of energy would release vastly greater amounts of energy.”

     World-renowned scientist MacDonald developed ideas for using the environment as a weapon system and he contributed to what was, at the time, only in the wildest dream of a futurist. When he wrote his chapter, “How To Wreck The Environment,” for the book Unless Peace Comes, he was not kidding around. In it he describes the use of weather manipulation, climate modification, polar ice cap melting or destabilisation, ozone depletion techniques, earthquake engineering, ocean wave control and brain wave manipulation using the planet’s energy fields.

     He speculated these types of weapons would be developed and, when used, would be virtually undetectable by their victims. Is HAARP one such weapon?

     In her book Planet Earth: The Latest Weapon of War, renowned scientist and nuclear activist Dr. Rosalie Bertell says such electromagnetic weapons “have the ability to transmit explosive and other effects such as earthquake induction across intercontinental distances to any selected target site on the globe with force levels equivalent to major nuclear explosions.”

     Her book explains that pulsed, extremely low frequency (ELF) waves can be used to convey mechanical effects and vibrations at great distances through the Earth.

     Such manipulation of the Earth, she states, “has the capability to cause disturbance of volcanoes and tectonic plates, which in turn, have an effect on the weather,” creating storms and torrential rains over an area. Anyone notice the world’s weather has been very strange in recent months?

Beachings and Seismic Tests

     On November 28, 2004, Reuters reported that during a three day span, 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island off the southern coast of mainland Australia. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said “sound bombing” or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been recently carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings.

     According to Jim Cummings of the Acoustic Ecology Institute, seismic surveys utilising airguns have been taking place in mineral-rich areas of the world’s oceans since 1968. Among the areas that have experienced the most intense survey activity are the North Sea, the Beaufort Sea (off Alaska’s North Slope), and the Gulf of Mexico; areas around Australia and South America are also current hotspots of activity.

     The impulses created by the release of air from arrays of up to 24 airguns create low frequency sound waves powerful enough to penetrate up to 40km below the seafloor. The “source level” of these sound waves is generally over 200dB (and often 230dB or more), roughly comparable to a sound of at least 140-170dB in air.

     According to the Australian Conservation Foundation, these 200dB – 230dB shots from the airguns are fired every 10 seconds or so, from 10 metres below the surface, 24 hours a day, for 2 week periods of time, weather permitting.

     These types of tests are known to affect whales and dolphins, whose acute hearing and use of sonar is very sensitive.

     On December 24, 2004 there was a magnitude 8.1 earthquake more than 800 kilometres southeast of Tasmania near New Zealand, with a subsequent aftershock 6.1 a little later in the morning that same day.

     Then on December 26 the magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck leading to the devastating tsunami that killed more than 300,000 people.

     On December 27, 20 whales beached themselves 180 kilometres west of Hobart on the southern island state of Tasmania.

     Interestingly, the locations of the whale beachings over the previous 30 days correlates with the same general area struck by the 8.1 Australian earthquake. The seismic testing also took place in the same area. Then two days after the Australian tectonic plate shifted, the 9.0 earthquake shook the coast of Indonesia.

     There is strong evidence suggesting oil exploration activities have induced earthquakes in the past, although a link is yet to be established in this case.

     A paper “Seismicity in the Oil Field” by Russian academics admit, “Scientists have observed that earthquakes can be triggered by human action…. Some geophysicists, including the authors of this article, believe that if the natural tectonic regime had been taken into account during the planning of hydrocarbon recovery, the earthquakes might have been avoided.”4

     This is a sobering admission when we consider that some geologists say the Australian quake was the likely trigger for the Indonesian quake.

Sign of the Times?

     The death and devastation caused by major earthquakes around the world can only worsen in years to come, as growing urban development and unprecedented population growth compound the lethal effects of natural and, as some researchers claim, man-made seismic hazards.

     With the world’s population nearing an estimated 6.5 billion, there are fewer unpopulated places for quakes to strike. And with ever more people to accommodate, there is more multistoried construction in vulnerable fault zones.

     Frightening and controversial projects like HAARP, with applications ranging from weather modification to mind control, should be of great concern to us all. And most worrying is mounting evidence the US military now has the ability to create earthquakes – the ultimate weapon of war.

     Was the earthquake of December 26 man-made or the result of natural forces? There are many who believe such events are part of a cyclic period of earth changes. Strange weather patterns, an increase in earthquake activity, and natural disasters across the planet, are anticipated at the end of major world cycles.

     Christians often call attention to the Gospel account where Jesus says a sign of the end of the world age would be “earthquakes in diverse places” (Matthew 24:7). Many believe this verse refers to the times in which we live.

     In traditional Hindu cosmology, we are now nearing the end of the Kali Yuga which is the final and most negative of four evolutionary cycles which are Satya Yuga (Golden Age), Treta Yuga (Silver Age), Dwapara Yuga (Bronze Age), and Kali Yuga (Iron Age).

     Similarly, the ancient Greeks traced the lineage of mankind through five successive “ages” or “races” from the “Golden Age” to the present “Iron Age.”

     The Visuddhimagga, a compendium of Theravada Buddhist philosophy, gives further details about the recurring cycles that destroy mankind and cleanse the Earth. The text relates there are 64 world destruction cycles in which the world perishes seven times by fire, and an eighth time by water. This cycle of eight destructions repeats itself seven times, and then at the end of the eighth cycle the final destruction is by wind rather than water. Then the cycle of 64 begins anew.

     Man’s most ancient traditions tell us these cycles reflect the creative process of the cosmos. The memories of a lost ‘Golden Age’, found in all earthly cultures, point to a time in the distant past when harmony and balance prevailed. This harmony is upset during the Iron Age, which is prophesied to end amid a proliferation of inverted spiritual values and rampant materialism, accompanied by devastating natural disturbances.

     Act of man or act of nature, the recent earthquake and tsunami may indeed be another ‘sign of the times’ signalling the last days of the present world order. We do well to recall the words of the gifted French esotericist Rene Guenon:

    This end only appears to be the “end of the world,” without any reservation or specification of any kind, to those who see nothing beyond the limits of this particular cycle;… the end now under consideration is undeniably of considerably greater importance than many other, for it is the end of a whole Manvantara [world age]… this end will itself immediately become the beginning of another Manvantara… if one does not stop short of the most profound order of reality, it can be said in all truth the “end of a world” never is and never can be anything but the end of an illusion.

 

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Earthquakes_Natural_or_Man_Made.html
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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2010, 05:35:20 PM »

Hi Joseon,
I've read the stuff of A_I (his Ptech research is amazing) and Sane, they are people I respect very much here (even if Sane doesn't seem to like me). My argument is not against them at all, it's against the "It's-gotta-be-HAARP-people" every time some natural disaster happens.

Yup, it's got nothing to do with acid rain, it's just that the "elite warrior" guys at "HAARP" have bad aim and can't seem to hit Yemen.
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2010, 06:12:24 PM »

Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons and their Terrorist Use:
Immediate Strategic Aspects of the Asymmetric War on the U.S.
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Oct. 13, 2004
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2010, 06:38:42 PM »

I've been into this subject before, this time I dug deeper though I was convinced before it was not simply theory.

The surrounding evidence is clearly an indication of super foul play, Clinton and his gang are on this like flies on a dung heap.
Just as they were after the tital wave hit, right behind it.
There was the training Mil. excersizes being conducted the day before, and on and on.

The big dogs are stearing up the shit, the more they stir it the more it stinks. Yes, it is a clear and distinct possability. I wish like hell there was a method of fingering these freaks, to nail these pyscos with hard cold evidence. Isn',t that whats needed?
Its like saying, OK, the Manhatan project is real some 6 decades past. The people would look at you bleary eyed and reply what the Fk are you talking about. It was not untill Japan was actually bombed that the reality of this abomination was revealed to the common man.
Ok, as it stands there are those who realize the tech exists, especialy so truthers & they understand it is within the scope of reality  given the evidence that these catastrophies are the result of these fake humans in control.
What needs to be done to finger them, to open the eyes of masses?
It enrages me that evidence has been compiled, undeniably that 911 was a joint effort including a portion of the elected officals.
Its in our faces that there were no WMD's, it was all a scam.
Its mind boggling.
I hate to say it, but its as though we are being controlled, we are under the thumb of the gang of pysco elites, not only have the peoples voice been silenced, but decieved, manipulated, coerced and dominated. The Republic for wich it stands, the Constitution, the bill of rights, Horse feathers, its over, this is beyond tyrany.
These freaks make Hitler look like a boyscout.

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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2010, 06:41:19 PM »

Either you are blind to read it or learn it or you are ruefully retorting a provocative rebuttal that bears no merit to what SANE and AI and the the rest of reasonable are trying to inquire about.

Except they aren't inquiring.  They aren't asking.  They are making statements.  They are saying: "We think HAARP is capable of this, therefore, because it happened, HAARP must be responsible."  (Yes, I'm paraphrasing.)

That's different from: "This happened, there is a possibility that HAARP (or some other program) was responsible, and thus we should investigate that."

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AND yes, learn to read, there is information about HAARP technology you dolt. It is VERY possible for MAN to have created the earthquake in Port Au Prince. That is what Sane and the rest of us are trying to get across to you.

Possibility does not make it inevitability.  It's POSSIBLE for aliens from outer-space to destroy Earth because they were commissioned to make a hyperspace highway and we were too lazy to go and protest to the council.

It's possible for a robber to come into my home and murder me in my sleep tonight while he takes my crappy TV and really, really old VCR.

And it's possible for my neighbors to have and outdoor party last night

It doesn't mean that those things have happened, even though some of them are "VERY" possible.  And some things people have even written whole books about.

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Anyway, I'm not going to listen to what you have to say, if you do not carry an open mind and critical conscience.

Aren't you being hypocritical?

I have a difference of opinion, so you say I'm close minded and refuse to listen to anything I may say.  How does that work?
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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2010, 10:01:59 PM »

Except they aren't inquiring.  They aren't asking.  They are making statements.  They are saying: "We think HAARP is capable of this, therefore, because it happened, HAARP must be responsible."  (Yes, I'm paraphrasing.)

That's different from: "This happened, there is a possibility that HAARP (or some other program) was responsible, and thus we should investigate that."

Possibility does not make it inevitability.  It's POSSIBLE for aliens from outer-space to destroy Earth because they were commissioned to make a hyperspace highway and we were too lazy to go and protest to the council.

It's possible for a robber to come into my home and murder me in my sleep tonight while he takes my crappy TV and really, really old VCR.

And it's possible for my neighbors to have and outdoor party last night

It doesn't mean that those things have happened, even though some of them are "VERY" possible.  And some things people have even written whole books about.

Aren't you being hypocritical?

I have a difference of opinion, so you say I'm close minded and refuse to listen to anything I may say.  How does that work?
who are "they"?
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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2010, 05:23:18 AM »

The 'they' in question are those people on this forum who automatically assume that if a weather event takes place, or an earthquake happens to ravage a place, or a tsumnami threatens, that it MUST be the work of HAARP. Me personally, I do not think it's in the realm of impossibility, but I do think it's a bit hasty to run in here and start waving my arms and screaming OH NOEZ, it's HAARP!!! I've read a few well written articles about HAARP that curled my toes and made me nervous. But before I go claiming HAARP did ANYTHING, and giving the gubment more credit where credit may not be due, I want ot cross reference weather/seismic events with known HAARP activity, before I even concider say, HAARP did it. Some peoples investigative meythodology around here is just as bad as Al Bore's scientific methodology.


 The only thing that gives this movement credibility is us being right, and making smart, intellectual arguments that provide rock solid proof. OTherwise we look live raving lunatics, and main streamers will never give us the credibility we've worked so hard for, or the time of day for that matter. I dont know about you guys, but ever since AL Bore pulled his little climate gate stunt, alot of people i talk to are distrustful of facts, why? He maniufactured his, so whats to say the facts I present are factual. We are having to work that much harder now to prove things to people that need to see the proof with their own eyes. To make baseless claims, just ruins it all.

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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2010, 01:27:42 PM »

The 'they' in question are those people on this forum who automatically assume that if a weather event takes place, or an earthquake happens to ravage a place, or a tsumnami threatens, that it MUST be the work of HAARP.

I do not think this is what these people are saying. They are not only bringing up the fact that an event happened, but also the coincidence of training missions, political ties, and other evidence that leads to the possibility of human intervention in nature.
I brought this up with a friend last night, who argued that they would not do something like cause an earthquake. just like they wouldn't fly planes into the world trade. I know it seems irrational, but so does killing thousands of people to most of us. we do not think like the the ptb, but that doesn't mean that they are not capable of pulling something this big off.
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The 'they' in question are those people on this forum who automatically assume that if a weather event takes place, or an earthquake happens to ravage a place, or a tsumnami threatens, that it MUST be the work of HAARP. Me personally, I do not think it's in the realm of impossibility, but I do think it's a bit hasty to run in here and start waving my arms and screaming OH NOEZ, it's HAARP!!! I've read a few well written articles about HAARP that curled my toes and made me nervous. But before I go claiming HAARP did ANYTHING, and giving the gubment more credit where credit may not be due, I want ot cross reference weather/seismic events with known HAARP activity, before I even concider say, HAARP did it. Some peoples investigative meythodology around here is just as bad as Al Bore's scientific methodology.


 The only thing that gives this movement credibility is us being right, and making smart, intellectual arguments that provide rock solid proof. OTherwise we look live raving lunatics, and main streamers will never give us the credibility we've worked so hard for, or the time of day for that matter. I dont know about you guys, but ever since AL Bore pulled his little climate gate stunt, alot of people i talk to are distrustful of facts, why? He maniufactured his, so whats to say the facts I present are factual. We are having to work that much harder now to prove things to people that need to see the proof with their own eyes. To make baseless claims, just ruins it all.


i understand, however, i also understand that the majority of the mainstream will never give CTers any credibility...the theories are just too uncomfortable for many people to put any stock into...and as far as credible evidence, that is never accepted either, the MSM can always come up with groups of professionals to explain away even the most credible evidence...they always have and always will...not that i find anything wrong with having credible evidence, it's just that an evidence's credibility is purely subjective, so no evidence is going to convince everyone, it will still be a matter of one believing that which they choose to believe...
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So had I gone to court on a murder trial, and refused to use my credible evidence merely due to the fact the jury had watched too much CSI and thought they knew better than I, would that make me an effective investigator, or a fool? Facts are facts, whether the sheep buy them or not. And history has a funny way of backing up the people who stand behind and support the facts.


i understand, however, i also understand that the majority of the mainstream will never give CTers any credibility...the theories are just too uncomfortable for many people to put any stock into...and as far as credible evidence, that is never accepted either, the MSM can always come up with groups of professionals to explain away even the most credible evidence...they always have and always will...not that i find anything wrong with having credible evidence, it's just that an evidence's credibility is purely subjective, so no evidence is going to convince everyone, it will still be a matter of one believing that which they choose to believe...

I do not think this is what these people are saying. They are not only bringing up the fact that an event happened, but also the coincidence of training missions, political ties, and other evidence that leads to the possibility of human intervention in nature.
I brought this up with a friend last night, who argued that they would not do something like cause an earthquake. just like they wouldn't fly planes into the world trade. I know it seems irrational, but so does killing thousands of people to most of us. we do not think like the the ptb, but that doesn't mean that they are not capable of pulling something this big off.

Well, the fact there were training missions and all is nice and tidy to a certain degree, but without the scientific data to back it up, it's circumstantial, and merely coincidence in peoples minds. I think the main point of debate stems from the initial few posts of this thread though, when, without ANY empirical data to backup their assertions, people began jumping on the "HAARP did it" bandwagon. That's just irresponsible in my book if there is nothing factual to back it up.
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« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2010, 02:42:04 PM »

So had I gone to court on a murder trial, and refused to use my credible evidence merely due to the fact the jury had watched too much CSI and thought they knew better than I, would that make me an effective investigator, or a fool? Facts are facts, whether the sheep buy them or not. And history has a funny way of backing up the people who stand behind and support the facts.


Well, the fact there were training missions and all is nice and tidy to a certain degree, but without the scientific data to back it up, it's circumstantial, and merely coincidence in peoples minds. I think the main point of debate stems from the initial few posts of this thread though, when, without ANY empirical data to backup their assertions, people began jumping on the "HAARP did it" bandwagon. That's just irresponsible in my book if there is nothing factual to back it up.
ok, HAARP didnt do it... Grin
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« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2010, 06:32:33 PM »

Except they aren't inquiring.  They aren't asking.  They are making statements.  They are saying: "We think HAARP is capable of this, therefore, because it happened, HAARP must be responsible."  (Yes, I'm paraphrasing.)

That's different from: "This happened, there is a possibility that HAARP (or some other program) was responsible, and thus we should investigate that."

Possibility does not make it inevitability.  It's POSSIBLE for aliens from outer-space to destroy Earth because they were commissioned to make a hyperspace highway and we were too lazy to go and protest to the council.

It's possible for a robber to come into my home and murder me in my sleep tonight while he takes my crappy TV and really, really old VCR.

And it's possible for my neighbors to have and outdoor party last night

It doesn't mean that those things have happened, even though some of them are "VERY" possible.  And some things people have even written whole books about.

Aren't you being hypocritical?

I have a difference of opinion, so you say I'm close minded and refuse to listen to anything I may say.  How does that work?

so we're not arguing..

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1. Are we in court?

2. We are providing evidence, if you were looking..

3. You completely lack in any kind of insight or Logic sense at all, which makes me wonder what your agenda here is after all.

You never thought That Nidal hassan was a patsy, when in fact he was. I smelled that non-sense from the beginning. DOK mysteriously was on your side as well, when there was nothing substantial to support your doubts that Hassan was just a lone nut gunman. The entire ops was a from the inside, fishy from the beginning, and you couldn't see it. I also notice your positions elsewhere, from from a truther in my opinion.
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I do not think this is what these people are saying. They are not only bringing up the fact that an event happened, but also the coincidence of training missions, political ties, and other evidence that leads to the possibility of human intervention in nature.
I brought this up with a friend last night, who argued that they would not do something like cause an earthquake. just like they wouldn't fly planes into the world trade. I know it seems irrational, but so does killing thousands of people to most of us. we do not think like the the ptb, but that doesn't mean that they are not capable of pulling something this big off.

exactly.
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Again, inverted logic asking us to prove how this is not a conspiracy. This is simply not how argumentation works, I'm more than ready to believe the Illuminati are behind this. It's all I have been saying over and over again yet you seem to think I'm some asshole disinfo agent.

using the conspiracy non-sense again. yeah to a schmuck like you, maybe you think we are conspiracy theorists. But to people who search for the truth, HAARP is very real.  And a blind fool with a propensity to be fleeced will ignore all evidence that support the notion that Aurura frequency high magnetic waves just, just might have something to do with what occured in HAITI. there is precendence as well, with Katrina and China, and so on and so forth, JAPAN, maybe even San Francisco.
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using the conspiracy non-sense again. yeah to a schmuck like you, maybe you think we are conspiracy theorists. But to people who search for the truth, HAARP is very real.  And a blind fool with a propensity to be fleeced will ignore all evidence that support the notion that Aurura frequency high magnetic waves just, just might have something to do with what occured in HAITI. there is precendence as well, with Katrina and China, and so on and so forth, JAPAN, maybe even San Francisco.
i know lots about HAARP, been studying it for 15 years...now im wondering about this scalar weaponry, it sounds far worse than HAARP...one can only hope it's all bullshit...
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It was an analogy numbnuts. The evidence being provided is nothing more than the proper arrangement of circumstantial evidence, collated in a form which makes it appear to directly tie together. Has anybody posted proof of wether HAARP was actually functioning at the time of the event??? Funny, I haven't seen that posted yet. Could it be the lynchpin in th theory?

Look, like i said, I'm a pessimist. I question every damn thing, I trust no one, or anything. It's just who I am. I have no agenda, other than to keep my freedoms,m keep your freedoms, and make sure that when my kids are older, they too have freedoms. So I don't buy the unofficial version of events on a few things, and suddenly by your logic I have an agenda??? Of course I did not believe Hassan was a patsy, still not sure what I believe on that. But the information coming through the way it did, the story changing, as a former investigator, I can attribute that to people just being horrendously bad witnesses. I ran into it all the damn time. one person would say a green shirt, another would say blue, one would call a Ford expedition a Jeep since they perceive Jeep to be a universal usage of SUV. I could go on and on, so yes, I have my doubts on why the story changed. But the only "evidence" provided by the pro-patsy crowd was speculation and gasp more circumstantial evidence, which really didn't amount to a hill of beans until later on. But in my mind, it's still not enough to say he was set up. In the case of the courthouse shooting, I do have a feeling it was suspicious, because of the fact that the witnesses were cops and feds, people who are USED to keeping facts straight, and the info was coming from police spokesmen.

So you can shove your suspicions where the sun will never shine buddy, because the second we loose the privilege to debate facts here, and simply accept the party mantra of the day, we've become nothing more than lemmings and sheep again, we're just following a different doctrine. But if you are telling me I'm not free to my opinions or thoughts here, then that makes you no better than the very f**k sticks we hope to oppose. So have a nice morning you fascist f**kstick.

1. Are we in court?

2. We are providing evidence, if you were looking..

3. You completely lack in any kind of insight or Logic sense at all, which makes me wonder what your agenda here is after all.

You never thought That Nidal hassan was a patsy, when in fact he was. I smelled that non-sense from the beginning. DOK mysteriously was on your side as well, when there was nothing substantial to support your doubts that Hassan was just a lone nut gunman. The entire ops was a from the inside, fishy from the beginning, and you couldn't see it. I also notice your positions elsewhere, from from a truther in my opinion.
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Look, like i said, I'm a pessimist. I question every damn thing, I trust no one, or anything. It's just who I am. I have no agenda, other than to keep my freedoms,m keep your freedoms, and make sure that when my kids are older, they too have freedoms. So I don't buy the unofficial version of events on a few things, and suddenly by your logic I have an agenda???

Well said!

That was my point for posting the way that I did percisely.  I based this on all of the info discussed on this forum about HARRP and the NWO agenda. It is only in that spirit that I opened this topic.  Who gives a shit what others think of this forum. It is clear whether you have the "facts" before hand or not, they are still trying to wipe us off the face of the Earth.  The NWO could careless about what others think. Hell, they are in our face destorying our freedoms and that of our childrens.They are beyond anyones "critical thinking" or arrogant analysis.
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 well  said oyashango
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real mature of you...


who said you aren't free to your opinions?
 I am merely opining the very obvious to anybody who has a brain..

Secondly, my retorts, you had no answer, clearly enough, you don't argue in a concise or orderly manner

My retorts stands, while you merely preen your loverly sensitive ego to stand on.. Grow up you overzealous egoistic alpha male card carrying member or the police force..  Roll Eyes
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ook, like i said, I'm a pessimist. I question every damn thing, I trust no one, or anything. It's just who I am. I have no agenda, other than to keep my freedoms,m keep your freedoms, and make sure that when my kids are older, they too have freedoms. So I don't buy the unofficial version of events on a few things, and suddenly by your logic I have an agenda??? Of course I did not believe Hassan was a patsy, still not sure what I believe on that. But the information coming through the way it did, the story changing, as a former investigator, I can attribute that to people just being horrendously bad witnesses. I ran into it all the damn time. one person would say a green shirt, another would say blue, one would call a Ford expedition a Jeep since they perceive Jeep to be a universal usage of SUV. I could go on and on, so yes, I have my doubts on why the story changed. But the only "evidence" provided by the pro-patsy crowd was speculation and gasp more circumstantial evidence, which really didn't amount to a hill of beans until later on. But in my mind, it's still not enough to say he was set up. In the case of the courthouse shooting, I do have a feeling it was suspicious, because of the fact that the witnesses were cops and feds, people who are USED to keeping facts straight, and the info was coming from police spokesmen.

It was obvious from the beginning that it was Nidal Hassan was a set-up patsy. regardless of your own propensity of pessimism, more like cynicism. you clearly lack insight or the notion of common sense. IF you had any brain at all, you would know that the Fort Hood shooting foul from the beginning. INstead, you kept on insisting that a Lone gunman scenario was very possible, when in FACT, it was NOT possible. Unless HAsan had the ability the bend the laws and nature of Time and Physics. I don't buy that Nidal Hassan was a super man of any of the sort. You did, which either means you are a complete fool for buying the lone gunman scenario. Or, that you had some other agenda to fill in.

I challenge you to question the official story of the earthquake in Haiti and ask questions. After all, isn't that in your instinctive nature, to question things? Well, go to it and read up on Haarp and Nick Begich's Angels don't play this HAARP.





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It was obvious from the beginning that it was Nidal Hassan was a set-up patsy. regardless of your own propensity of pessimism, more like cynicism. you clearly lack insight or the notion of common sense. IF you had any brain at all, you would know that the Fort Hood shooting foul from the beginning. INstead, you kept on insisting that a Lone gunman scenario was very possible, when in FACT, it was NOT possible. Unless HAsan had the ability the bend the laws and nature of Time and Physics. I don't buy that Nidal Hassan was a super man of any of the sort. You did, which either means you are a complete fool for buying the lone gunman scenario. Or, that you had some other agenda to fill in.

I challenge you to question the official story of the earthquake in Haiti and ask questions. After all, isn't that in your instinctive nature, to question things? Well, go to it and read up on Haarp and Nick Begich's Angels don't play this HAARP.
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Hey guys, guess what?  There were earthquakes long before HAARP was constructed.

Was the 1906 SF quake caused by HAARP too?

To say that "it's gotta be HAARP"  is ridiculous.

when in doubt check out the results.
US military is effectively taking over Haiti
Billlary declared martial law in a sovereign nation
there are US tanks and machine guns on the streets in greater numbers than doctors, surgeons and relief workers.
Southcom was gearing up for a Haiti scenario
there was a coup because of this quake

so yeah, sure, not all quakes are HAARP, but quakes that wind up with 12,000 US military troops on the ground, US seizure of the airport etc etc look pretty much like a planned HAARP attack.
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« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2010, 07:38:14 PM »

So whats with this hard on you have against me? Is it not good enough that I'm a truther and a patriot? Do take your grandstanding somewhere else. People here know what i stand for, and who I support. I don't have to explain anything to anyone. My position on things and my thought process generally speak for themselves. So you can distract from the original posts all you like, and try and throw me under your little truther snob bus all you like. My reputation still speaks for itself.

Yes yes yes, just because I don't see the world the same way as you, I have an agenda. I do question the Haiti earthquake, but my first instinct is not to go blaming HAARP, which has been my point all along, which has somehow been lost on you and your hate filled rhetoric toward me. Did it ever occur to you that some of my criticism of the hassan shooting was based on actual training or experience? Can YOU personally say the same? I fuggin doubt it. I've been involved in training level exercises where I, as a lone gunman, armed with a single Glock simunitions gun and multiple magazines was able to take out approximately forty-five people in a school which was populated by merely 104 people. I then managed to hold off an opposing force of initial first responders, forcing a simulated SWAT entry. NONE of it was scripted. We were shooting for a real world scenario, and I gave it to them. So don't blather on about time and physics chump, you don't have a f**king clue when it gets down the brass tacks of what can and does happen, all you can do is postulate and sling mud. So yeah, I'd rather be an alpha male than a week kneed puss boi who gets his giggles picking fights on the interwebz. I'd rather be a patriot retired cop who knows what the f**k he's doing or talking about, than a weakwilled never will be, who really has nothing to bring to the big fight when it happens. I'd rather have my real world experience than be you anyday.


It was obvious from the beginning that it was Nidal Hassan was a set-up patsy. regardless of your own propensity of pessimism, more like cynicism. you clearly lack insight or the notion of common sense. IF you had any brain at all, you would know that the Fort Hood shooting foul from the beginning. INstead, you kept on insisting that a Lone gunman scenario was very possible, when in FACT, it was NOT possible. Unless HAsan had the ability the bend the laws and nature of Time and Physics. I don't buy that Nidal Hassan was a super man of any of the sort. You did, which either means you are a complete fool for buying the lone gunman scenario. Or, that you had some other agenda to fill in.

I challenge you to question the official story of the earthquake in Haiti and ask questions. After all, isn't that in your instinctive nature, to question things? Well, go to it and read up on Haarp and Nick Begich's Angels don't play this HAARP.






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