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« on: January 15, 2010, 01:31:23 PM »

One above the law/brainwashed power trip cop gets what he had comming.I get sick of seeing cops who think they are above the law,this is a prime case of just that,good thing the shooter was aquitted,maybe this will send a message to above the law cops to think twice before being an idiot.just because you have a badge does not meen you can just go on someones property and shoot the place up,from what I hear the cop shot the owners cats and then when confronted the cop took shots at the owner while off duty,I don't blame him and would have done the same.
Columbia, SC - Thomas Grover Rye is a free man. After nearly 6 hours of deliberation, the jury found him not guilty of murdering Deputy Robert Odam. Rye shot and killed Odam when he found him trespassing on his property. After reading the verdict, the Rye family seemed stunned and the defendant had to be told repeatedly that the jury found him "not guilty." Rye has a hearing problem and may not have heard the outcome the first time. He eventually got up and hugged his crying daughter and shook hands with his friends. The victim's twin brother Joey seemed angry, and kept glaring at the Rye and his family. The rest of the Odam family was emotional but remained calm until after the defendant left the courtroom
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 01:52:30 PM »

Justice served. And the dumbass cop is still dead. It warms the heart.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 02:02:56 PM »

I followed this case for a few months and I have to say this cop was an idiot or on drugs or something,who knows but it was a bunch of bs what he did and figured he could get away with.I see so much injustice in the courts that I was suprised that justic was server in this case,I have to give a thumbs up to the jurey,they spoke with one of the jurrers and she said that we have to uphold the rite to protect ourselves and our property,maybe I need to move to SC. Wink
I am sure this is another unpopular thread of mine but I think its more inportant subjetc than allot I see on here so if you don't like it FU,I could care less,you wont find tiger woods/lady gaga threads from me.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 02:21:26 PM »

I think I am to hardcore for this forum. Grin Nobody likes to hear the TRUTH! go hide your heads in the sand.  Roll Eyes

I love how americans are programed to not hear the truth or ignore it so they don't feel bad about it,thats a true sign of branwashing,to ignore reality,Its strange that I see that so much on this forum as of late...odd.... Huh
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 05:51:32 PM »

Why do you say that? It's just not a popular thread. Just because nobody praises you or says amen doesn't mean they do not agree with you.


I think I am to hardcore for this forum. Grin Nobody likes to hear the TRUTH! go hide your heads in the sand.  Roll Eyes

I love how americans are programed to not hear the truth or ignore it so they don't feel bad about it,thats a true sign of branwashing,to ignore reality,Its strange that I see that so much on this forum as of late...odd.... Huh
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 06:08:51 PM »

Can you post the background information of how the incident went? Not just the trail.

Hey jury of our peers, sometimes it works!  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 06:15:51 PM »

sounds like they better watch their backs for the cop's mad twin joey
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 06:17:19 PM »

here are a few links to the case.
http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/opinions/displayOpinion.cfm?caseNo=26379
http://www.thestate.com/154/story/1001209.html
sounds like they better watch their backs for the cop's mad twin joey
Yep,hes in the airforce to.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 06:30:06 PM »


Thomas Grover Rye appears in court for his bond hearing.
(Columbia) -- A man convicted of murder for killing an off-duty law officer who was shooting cats on the man's property should get a new trial.
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=53420
That was the ruling from the state Supreme Court Tuesday.

In its 3-2 ruling that gives Thomas Grover Rye a new trial, the court says the jury was not properly told how to interpret the law.

Rye was found guilty by a Richland County jury in 2006 and sentenced to 30 years in prison.

Off-duty Beaufort County deputy Robert Odam and some friends were on Rye's property in August 2004 when Odam was killed.

Rye had called 911 and said he had killed a trespasser.

The Associated Press

In retrial, man found not guilty of murder in shooting death of off-duty deputy
By JOHN MONK
The (Columbia) State
Published Tuesday, October 27, 2009
http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/story/1014680.html

 COLUMBIA -- Thomas Grover Rye, who killed an off-duty Beaufort County Sheriff's deputyin a 2004 dispute over dead cats, has been found not guilty of murder.

It was the second murder trial in five years for Rye, 63. This time, he walked out of the Richland County courthouse a free man.

He was convicted in the first trial in a case where gun rights, property rights and animal rights collided.

"Our client is absolutely relieved. This is the end of more than five years of anguish," said defense lawyer Dennis Bolt, who with fellow Columbia lawyer Jim Griffin, represented Rye.

The trial lasted six days, and the jury was out more than five hours before returning a verdict late Monday night. Rye testified last week for more than five hours.

In the first trial, in 2005, another jury found Rye, a heating and air conditioning technician, guilty of murder in the death of Robert Odam, 22, of Bluffton.

The State Supreme Court overturned his first conviction, after Rye had spent 11 months in prison.


Odam visited was visiting family when he went onto Rye's property in Eastover on Aug. 14, 2004. Odam was carrying a rifle, according to testimony. The property was fenced and posted with No Trespassing signs, according to testimony.

An altercation developed, and Rye, who was carrying a .30 caliber rifle, shot and killed Odam.

Rye claimed self-defense and defense of his house and property.

Assistant 5th circuit solicitor Ted Lupton said, "This was a retrial of what was always a very difficult case.

"Since the first trial, there have been changes in the law that benefited Mr. Rye. Those changes and other facts led this jury to feel there was reasonable doubt," Lupton said.

"Reasonable doubt" is a legal term used to determine guilt or innocence. If a jury has "reasonable doubt," it must render a not guilty verdict.

In 2007, the S.C. Supreme Court overturned Rye's initial conviction.

In its 3-2 decision, the high court said property owners have the right to use "reasonable force" against another person if that person is trespassing. That applies to both someone's house and property, the court said.

In establishing self-defense, the court said, a person has to be in fear of his or her life. But in defending home or property, an owner may use reasonable force to eject the trespasser and does not need to be in fear of his or her life.

The Supreme Court called events surrounding the case "disturbing and bizarre."

In 2004, in the two months prior to Odam's shooting, someone had gone onto Rye's property and shot to death 13 cats and wounded several others, testimony at the trial indicated. A structure on the property also had been broken into and some $600 worth of tools taken.

Rye, who had owned the property 30 years, kept cats he rescued there. He visited the property almost every day and lived elsewhere.

On the day of the shooting, Rye had found more dead cats on his property and called 911. Then, hearing gunshots, he grabbed his rifle and ran to where the shots were fired, according to testimony. His intent was to hold the shooter until the deputy arrived.

On encountering Odam at the rear of his property, Rye said, "Put down your gun."

Evidence at the trial indicated Odam refused, saying "I'm not doing anything wrong - you go ahead and put down your gun."

Rye immediately fired and killed Odam. Rye testified he shot Odam because Odam was pointing his gun at him and he feared for his life.

Odam was struck four times from a distance of about 10 feet, testimony indicated. The jury was shown pictures of the body.

Mason Mitchell, a friend of Odam's from Eastover who was on the scene, testified that Odam put down his weapon before being shot and killed.

"The jury had to decide whether they believed Mr. Rye or Odam's friend. They obviously believed Mr. Rye," Bolt said. "They got it right."

Odam's mother-in-law, Genevieve Benton, said she regrets that people won't know more about Odam.

"He was a fabulous guy, a great, caring, fun-loving kid. He was 22, and worked two jobs. He took great care of my daughter, and they were buying a house. They're making him out to be some kind of animal.

"I thought the solicitor's office did a much better job in the first trial," Benton said. "This is really sad."

Beaufort County Sheriff P.J. Tanner said of the retrial verdict: "The outcome is not what they wanted or expected, but our thoughts are with the family."

Odam had been a Beaufort County deputy for about two years at the time of his death, Tanner said. Odam was a 2000 graduate of Hilton Head High School and patrolled the Bluffton area.

"Everyone that worked with him liked him, respected him and thought very highly of him," Tanner said.

Nancy Odam, Odam's mother, said the verdict was a painful end to a years-long process that repeatedly has traumatized the family.

The family, she said, was "completely shocked" by the outcome.

She said she is concerned the case could set a precedent that could allow killers who claim they were defending their property to go free.

"It's the worst travesty of justice that has ever been displayed in a courtroom," she said. "My son died a senseless, cold-blooded death, and nobody's paying for it."

Island Packet reporter Josh McCann contributed to this report.


If the asshole wasn't on someone else's property jeewhiz the senlessness would be a non-issue.

Thanks evolve.  I was stationed in Beautiful Beaufort by the sea.  Loved it, but hated all but a couple of the cops there.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 07:17:38 PM »

COLUMBIA -- Thomas Grover Rye, who killed an off-duty Beaufort County Sheriff's deputyin a 2004 dispute over dead

"It's the worst travesty of justice that has ever been displayed in a courtroom," she said. "My son died a senseless, cold-blooded death, and nobody's paying for it."




If the asshole wasn't on someone else's property jeewhiz the senlessness would be a non-issue.

Thanks evolve.  I was stationed in Beautiful Beaufort by the sea.  Loved it, but hated all but a couple of the cops there.

No problem,thanks for posting further info.
I cant blame the mother for being mad but all this could have been avoided easy,it only makes sense that if you see a stranger on your property shooting your cats with an assault rifle you may shoot first and ask questions later,this officer should have known better than to shoot cats on someones property. duh  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 07:48:56 PM »

You've got more faith in the system than I do. I've seen it work from the inside, it's not that great, trust me.


Can you post the background information of how the incident went? Not just the trail.

Hey jury of our peers, sometimes it works!  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 07:53:36 PM »

He may have known better, but he probably figured he could badge his way out of any problem that arose, and figured his "brothers" would look out for him. Fortuantely or unfortunately depending on perspective, he didnt count on an angry cat owner showing up who wasn't willing to take it anymore.


No problem,thanks for posting further info.
I cant blame the mother for being mad but all this could have been avoided easy,it only makes sense that if you see a stranger on your property shooting your cats with an assault rifle you may shoot first and ask questions later,this officer should have known better than to shoot cats on someones property. duh  Roll Eyes


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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 08:02:33 PM »

He may have known better, but he probably figured he could badge his way out of any problem that arose, and figured his "brothers" would look out for him. Fortuantely or unfortunately depending on perspective, he didnt count on an angry cat owner showing up who wasn't willing to take it anymore.


Indeed,Its amazing what some people will do these days.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 08:17:01 PM »

Wait? That off duty cop was breaking into his place and killing CATS that he rescued?!?!

It was the right decision to kill that guy, whether he had a gun or not.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 08:26:36 PM »

He may have known better, but he probably figured he could badge his way out of any problem that arose, and figured his "brothers" would look out for him. Fortuantely or unfortunately depending on perspective, he didnt count on an angry cat owner showing up who wasn't willing to take it anymore.

It's sad indeed but a person who claims to be an officer of the law should know better than to be trespassing on private property and carrying and discharging a loaded firearm in the commission of such an act, where no reasonable cause for such behavior exists or is otherwise evidenced. The matter that he was a cop is also quite relevant, as is the dubious and unlikely hostile witness allegation that such a person would obey orders, but the matter of the four shots greatly troubles and puzzles me.

Not knowing if, when nor how many times the officers weapon was fired or having any indication of an exchange of fire is also troubling. Seems like one or two shots at most would be far more easily written off to self defense. Hitting him four times sounds really excessive...

Problem is juries aren't given a menu of lesser outcomes, which i'd blame on an overzealous prosecution that missed an easier to prove assault or manslaughter conviction. In any event time served seems to have fixed that issue.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 10:44:43 PM »

You've got more faith in the system than I do. I've seen it work from the inside, it's not that great, trust me.
To clarify: I have issued my vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the system. I believe it is a farse. I could rant for a while how our justice system is set up to enslave and imprison our populace, and how it only protects those who serve the state or the giant corps., but I think I'd be preaching to the choir. But when it comes down to 12 sheep, sometimes they can make the right decision.. I've whatched a judge via youtube give a graffiti artist 24 years ( 8 years, 3 consecutive terms) for roughly 7k worth of damage. Cruel and unusual punishment? A judge or DA doesn't know what one day in jail is like, much less 24 years.. Oh yeah I've also been through the system, not as much as you mind you, and on the shit recieving side, but a traffic ticket should be enough to show you the tyranny. 36mph in a 35 = A months worth of food!?!

Killing small animals for fun, noted in early childhood usually is a symptom or tell-tale of someone being a socio/psycho-path. That cat killer got what he desereved. Good for Rye. 4 shots from a semi auto (either AK or NATO round..) to liquify that psycho.

Just my personal opinion, reguardless of the man's profession. You kill cats, you die.

PS Why do stupid people think that a pistol is at the same level as a rifle? If you only got a pistol pointed at someone whose got a rifle; then brush up on your negotiating skills!
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2010, 12:28:19 AM »


PS Why do stupid people think that a pistol is at the same level as a rifle? If you only got a pistol pointed at someone whose got a rifle; then brush up on your negotiating skills!


The news story really doesn't satisfactorily describe the nature of the weapons other than saying they both had "rifles" and apparently the "witness" had none. At 10 feet (practically spitting) range, most "rifles" are no match for a fully loaded automatic pistol and if Rye had had a pistol 4 quick shots (just to be sure he was safe) would be no problem.

No adequate description of where the fallen body laid in relation to the (other) rifle is given either, which raises the question of perjury too.

It just seemed to me that four shots with a bolt action "rifle" is a major lot of work, of course that really depends on the sort of mechanism Rye's "rifle" had.

The other odd thing is that (barring high cover or obstructions of view) by the time your already "within 10 feet" of any suspected "assailant" with a rifle, the "personally and mortally endangered" defense also sorta peters-out.

The circumstances of the case must have been far more complex than the story tells.

Sounds most like a citizens arrest of a seriously dumb-a$$ed cat killer gone terribly bad all around...

This was no plain repelling a trespasser with the double-barrel.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2010, 04:48:40 AM »

I agree, there are elements of this story we still do not apparently know, and we can speculate ad nauseum. But the fact reamins, a rogue cop, who thought he was above the very laws he protected has been disaptched to his maker, and teh man who did it was acquitted. The reasons and methodology, and the technical aspects of weapons are really quite moot at this point.


agentbluescreen- It is really quite easy to fire four rounds from a semi-auto in quick succession. However as was said previously, if bolt action rifles were involved, then there would inherently be a higher level of intent, and perhaps even malice, because there would be a slower, more willful reload time. But the jury spoke, and a mans whos rights were being trampled is free.

I do agree though that juries are far too ill-equipped to do their appointed job clearly. They are not told of lesser charges becuase the DA wants to get the charge he set out for, and he wants to throw the book at somebody to get reelected. They do not have the law explained to them properly, nor the evidence, nor the testimony, or even the different types of evidence or testimony. Pop culture has seeped in and dumbed down potential jury pools, tainted many more, and there simply is no way to weed those dumbed down jurors out. I've said for many years, professional jurors may be the way to go, people who are experts in theiur fields, lawyetrs, doctors, legal/ law experts, forensic experts, and pay them well to do terms on juries. This would allow for psych testing of the jury participants, and i think would give much more qualified and balanced rulings. If i were charged in a case which had subtle nuances that only a docot, lawyer, or forensic pathologist would fully understand, then I want people like that on my jury. As it is, they are more apt to put truck drivers, and susbstitute bus drivers and janitors on the jury.


The news story really doesn't satisfactorily describe the nature of the weapons other than saying they both had "rifles" and apparently the "witness" had none. At 10 feet (practically spitting) range, most "rifles" are no match for a fully loaded automatic pistol and if Rye had had a pistol 4 quick shots (just to be sure he was safe) would be no problem.

No adequate description of where the fallen body laid in relation to the (other) rifle is given either, which raises the question of perjury too.

It just seemed to me that four shots with a bolt action "rifle" is a major lot of work, of course that really depends on the sort of mechanism Rye's "rifle" had.

The other odd thing is that (barring high cover or obstructions of view) by the time your already "within 10 feet" of any suspected "assailant" with a rifle, the "personally and mortally endangered" defense also sorta peters-out.

The circumstances of the case must have been far more complex than the story tells.

Sounds most like a citizens arrest of a seriously dumb-a$$ed cat killer gone terribly bad all around...

This was no plain repelling a trespasser with the double-barrel.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 09:25:23 AM »

WHA??  Huh I completely disagree. How are rifles 'no match'? for a pistol. A rifle is the most powerful small arm any one man can operate, Only at close range does a shotgun match the rifles potential. (Disregaurding rambo and his M60 or any other single man operated machine gun).
Even with a bolt action, you only gotz to shoot the dam thing but once. Pistol is like being stabbed with a whatever caliber knife, rifle is having your inside liquified. Hydrostatic shock, any one? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock) (9mm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omUjwaGCSRo ) ( .30 rifle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Zip_b-5RQ&NR=1 )
In my previous post I mentioned he got shot with a AK or NATO round, I don't know of many other rounds that are of .30 caliber and can be fired from a semi auto. If it was a bolt action, he would have shot a corpse a few times while it was lying on the ground. Which in my book, is okay, just an empty shell, if that sorta thing makes you feel better. I wonder what the insides of that cadaver looked like?

On the last part. It was his property, those cats lives were in danger, damn straight he was going to check it out, and stop the guy. At that point it was the intruders decision, comply or die.

There was a whitness that was with them at the scene? Why the hell would an un-armed guy go check out some psycho shooting a rifle(?).?
At 10 feet (practically spitting) range, most "rifles" are no match for a fully loaded automatic pistol and if Rye had had a pistol 4 quick shots (just to be sure he was safe) would be no problem.

It just seemed to me that four shots with a bolt action "rifle" is a major lot of work, of course that really depends on the sort of mechanism Rye's "rifle" had.

The other odd thing is that (barring high cover or obstructions of view) by the time your already "within 10 feet" of any suspected "assailant" with a rifle, the "personally and mortally endangered" defense also sorta peters-out.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 11:07:52 AM »

the cop had an ar-15 i think and rye had an old WWII 30. cal carbine.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2010, 02:11:02 PM »

the cop had an ar-15 i think and rye had an old WWII 30. cal carbine.
ahh good point, I've shot one of those. Its just an long cased pistol round in .30. In that case you'd definately want to shoot more then once.
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