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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2012, 03:33:41 pm »
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-relocates-to-a-nuclear-bunker-091006/
The Pirate Bay Relocates to a Nuclear Bunker  - 10/06/2009



The Pirate Bay is going on a road trip through Europe, one they hope to end today in a former NATO bunker. After a move from Sweden to the Ukraine, The Pirate Bay has now arrived at CyberBunker, an ISP that can provide them with a facility that can resist a nuclear attack as well as electromagnetic pulse bombs.

After being chased by various anti-piracy groups, The Pirate Bay returned a few hours ago. “Nobody puts The Pirate Bay in a corner,” they say on their frontpage, referencing Patrick Swayze’s famous line in Dirty Dancing. Not in a corner, no, but what about a bunker?
 
Last Friday we reported that The Pirate Bay was forced to move outside of Sweden, and that the world’s largest BitTorrent tracker had found a new home in the Ukraine. Unfortunately this was a short-lived solution, with TPB now moving to Cyberbunker.


CyberBunker is located in a former military nuclear warfare bunker in The Netherlands. The facility was built by NATO in the 50s to survive a nuclear war, but after the nuclear threats were over it was sold to its current owners. The bunker is now used as a webhosting data center.
 
The bunker is equipped with Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) shielding and Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (NBC) air filtration to guarantee that the servers they host stay up no matter what happens. As of this week it is also the new home of The Pirate Bay.

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2012, 08:54:46 pm »
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/02/lake-vostok-sealed-in-antarctic-ice-reached-by-russian-drillers/
Feb 7, 2012 12:06pm
Lake Vostok, Sealed in Antarctic Ice, Reached by Russian Drillers

Two and a half miles beneath Antarctica‘s ice lies Lake Vostok, a mysterious body of water, 160 miles long and 30 miles wide, that is believed to have been sealed off from the rest of the world for 20 million years.
 
Now, the Russians, who run the Vostok research station at the surface, say they may have reached the lake with a drill bit, though they are still checking their data. The plan was for the drill to break through the ice into the hidden lake, and automatically withdraw so as not to contaminate the water below.
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Lake Vostok, seen so far only on radar, is believed to be warmed by geothermal energy. But why drill to it, beyond feeling the tug of mystery?
 
“According to our research, the quantity of oxygen there exceeds that on other parts of our planet by 10 to 20 times. Any life forms that we find are likely to be unique on Earth,” said Sergey Bulat, the chief scientist of Russia’s Antarctic Expedition, as quoted by Russian Reporter magazine.
 
There are other scientists who are doubtful. Too much oxygen, they argue, could actually be toxic to life. So Lake Vostok could turn out to be unique — the first place found on Earth where there is water in liquid form but nothing living.
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The Russians, despite the cold, despite limited money for scientific research, have been drilling down toward Lake Vostok for 14 years now. What will they find in the water there?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/lake-vostok-russian-drillers-antarctica-claim-success-reaching/story?id=15538105
Lake Vostok: Russian Scientists Claim Success in Antarctic

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Valery Lukin, the head of Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute (AARI) in charge of the mission, said in a statement today that his team reached the lake's surface Sunday. They had been cautious until now, saying they wanted to check readings from sensors on their remote-controlled drill.
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Scientists watching the project said they worried that 66 tons of lubricants and antifreeze used in the drilling might spoil the pristine lake. But Lukin said in his statement that about 1.5 cubic meters of kerosene and freon poured into tanks on the surface from the boreshaft, proof that the lake water streamed from beneath, froze, and blocked the hole.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/lake-vostok-antarctic-russian-scientists_n_1262661.html
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Russian news source RT reports that the scientists were able to retrieve 40 liters of water from Lake Vostok which they are taking home in sterile containers to test.

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2012, 03:38:38 pm »
boring of Israel's first-ever railway tunnel

http://www.roytov.com/articles/burma.htm

On February 6, 2012, the boring of Israel's first-ever railway tunnel began. A tunnel boring machine (TBM) began digging a 3.6 km tunnel from Latrun to Shaar Hagay. Two additional TBMs will soon begin to dig two more tunnels between Nahal Yitleh and Nahal Luz near Mevaseret Tzion; each one would be 11.5 km long, qualifying as Israel's longest tunnels.

By 2017, a fast train would cross the tunnels regularly, linking Tel Aviv and Jerusalem—via Ben Gurion Airport and Modiin—in just 28 minutes.
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The railway would be able to deliver troops and weapons to a Jerusalem under siege when the time comes; the tunnel will assure that the new route is more defensible than Highway #1.
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In 2017, the first passengers are expected to reach the underground Jerusalem Railway Station, deep below downtown Jerusalem. Elevators and escalators will help them to ascend the eighty meters separating the railway from the surface. This sounds similar to the soviet nuclear bunkers disguised as metro stations in Moscow. In fact, this is another Israeli attempt to camouflage Jerusalem and prepare it against a possible answer to an Israeli attack on Iran. Israel still lives the Burma Road trauma.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152459
Video: The Train is Coming to Jerusalem

Arutz Sheva was present as workers began boring the railway tunnels that will connect Jerusalem to Tel Aviv
 
By Gil Ronen
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Tunnels 2 and 3 will each be 11.5 km. long, qualifying as Israel's longest tunnels.

Each TBM weighs about 1,800 tons, is about 100 meters long and 10 meters in diameter. It rides a specially fitted rail and advances at a rate of about 20 meters per day and operates 24 hours a day. Each TBM costs roughly NIS 100 million.

About 430 workers accompany the TBM's operation. These include around 200 subcontractors, 200 workers, 20 engineers and 10 measurers. The project will utilize 150,000 cubic meters of concrete and 12,000 tons of iron.

Minister Katz said that the fast Jerusalem-Tel Aviv rail project will cost an estimated NIS 7 billion. The train will pass through Ben Gurion Airport and Modiin and reach Jerusalem near Binyanei Hauma. A trip from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will take 28 minutes.

The first train will leave the station in 2017. In the first year of operation, three trains will go from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem every hour, and three will go in the opposite direction.

As it approaches Jerusalem, the train will be 80 meters under ground level. Passengers will use elevators and escalators to ascend to the ground level at Binyanei Hauma.

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2012, 11:29:02 pm »
Applications of Tunnel Boring Machines in Underground Mine Development
http://emi.mines.edu/papers/tbm/tbm3.pdf
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Sometimes underground base engineering personnel will take a course or two from this gentleman at the CSM.  I tried to interview class personnel and they were really agitated by the question of underground facilities.  I only got one of his class personnel to even admit the existence of underground bases.

DR. MARK KUCHTA
http://mining.mines.edu/Mining-Mark-Kuchta

Developing new advance technology for study and analyzing
underground roof support

http://inside.mines.edu/~vpetr/Resume/Petr%20Resume%202005.pdf
They say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girnJH7tvpM

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2012, 11:45:55 pm »
Tunnelling and Underground Space Technology
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/tunnelling-and-underground-space-technology/

Tunnelling and Underground Space Technology is an international journal which publishes authoritative articles encompassing the development of innovative uses of underground space and the results of high quality research into improved, more cost-effective techniques for the planning, geo-investigation, design, construction, operation and maintenance of underground and earth-sheltered structures. The journal provides an effective vehicle for the improved worldwide exchange of information on developments in underground technology - and the experience gained from its use - and is strongly committed to publishing papers on the interdisciplinary aspects of creating, planning, and regulating underground space. Towards this end, up-to-date reports of the International Tunnelling Association (ITA) working groups and important papers from major conferences sponsored by the ITA and other bodies are a regular feature of the journal.
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Seismic design and analysis of underground structures
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/hashash/www/web/Publications/YHetalSeismicTunnels.pdf
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World Tunneling Congress
Congress Theme and Call for Abstracts. The theme of the World Tunnel Congress 2012 is Tunnelling and Underground Space for a Global Society.
http://www.wtc2012.com/Call_For_Abstracts.php
NOTE: I'm having trouble opening the link above.  Unknown why.

The link below seems to working, so far.
http://www.ita-aites.org/index.php?id=407&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2010&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=08&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=01&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1136

They say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girnJH7tvpM

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #85 on: February 18, 2012, 12:10:28 am »
Mines Seeks NSF (National Science Fund) Funding for Deep Underground Laboratory
http://magazine.mines.edu/BackIssues/PDF_Archives/vol_96_num_3.pdf

Be patient.  PDF  takes a while to load.  Scroll Down to ABOVE article and magnify.
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More on DUSEL (Deep Underground Labs)
http://www.dusel.org/

http://www.deepscience.org/
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Federal Funding For DUSEL's
http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=503136
They say that every day
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And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girnJH7tvpM

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2012, 12:41:15 am »
Here's an major underground facility WITH AN ABOVE GROUND VISITOR CENTER.  No, they wouldn't be doing anything behind closed doors here.  ;D

http://www.deepscience.org/DEEPSeminarSeries/Cascades_Apr22.pdfx
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Australia and New Zealand lobbying hard to host 2014 Tunneling Congress conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCkov544jA

BTW-
Australia is a world leader in under ground base / mining construction.  Great tunneling video.
They say that every day
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And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2012, 04:22:42 am »
Ridiculous

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« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2012, 05:50:20 pm »
One has to wonder if the banker-made economic collapse isn't just a distraction for Nibiru's passing as a way to distract the masses with something else ?

Could it be they will give the election to Ron Paul ans let him and Congress deal with the Nibiru effect ?

All these underground bases and the NWO's Food Storage vault in Spitzbergen, North of Russia ?

One has to wonder....

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« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2012, 02:00:21 am »
How did I miss this story????

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067984/Chinas-nuclear-arsenal-seven-times-bigger-previously-thought-students-discover-year-study-secret-documents.html
China 'has up to 3,000 nuclear weapons hidden in tunnels', three-year study of secret documents reveals

Georgetown University student spent three years translating secret military documents and blogs
Focus of research centred on 3,000 miles of underground tunnels dug by Second Artillery Corps
Investigation launched after 2008 earthquake in Sichuan revealed existence of collapsed tunnels
Study claims China could have as many as 3,000 nuclear warheads - far more then current estimates of between 80 and 400

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 2:36 PM on 1st December 2011

China may be using thousands of miles of underground tunnels to hide a nuclear missile arsenal that is far bigger than current estimates, according to researchers.

They spent three years translating secret military documents, scouring the internet and studying satellite images for clues – and concluded that China may have as many as 3,000 missiles, compared with general estimates of between 80 and 400.

The researchers at Georgetown University, led by a former senior Pentagon official, concentrated on a 3,000-mile network of tunnels dug largely in Sichuan province by the Chinese Second Artillery, a secretive unit responsible for protecting the country’s nuclear weapons.

In 2008, thousands of radiation technicians were sent to the region after it was hit by a huge earthquake. When TV pictures showed oddly collapsed hills across the province, officials eventually admitted there was a network of tunnels underneath, dubbing it their ‘Underground  Great Wall’.

The 363-page study, as yet unpublished, has been discussed in Congress and circulated among defence officials. It was commissioned as ‘homework’ by the students’ professor, Phillip Karber, a prominent Washington defence strategist during the Cold War.
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China has long been the most secretive of the five nuclear powers recognised by the international Non-Proliferation Treaty.
While Russia and America have bilateral treaties that ensure their stockpiles are monitored, the Chinese have simply claimed they keep a small number of missiles for ‘minimum deterrence’.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067984/Chinas-nuclear-arsenal-seven-times-bigger-previously-thought-students-discover-year-study-secret-documents.html#ixzz1mu2ve0KE

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/georgetown-students-shed-light-on-chinas-tunnel-system-for-nuclear-weapons/2011/11/16/gIQA6AmKAO_story.html



Underground Great Wall - Chinese Strategic Tunnels - Oct 30, 2011

A very good educational video made by the Georgetown University, Washington DC, for the Arms Control Seminar, describing China's "Underground Great Wall" tunnel network, which plays an important role in China's nuclear deterrence capability by enabling China to have a survivable second strike ability, while simultaniously masking the true number of China's nuclear arsenal. By 2011, the "Underground Great Wall" is reported to amass 3500 miles in total, hiding an estimated number of 2500 to 3000 nuclear warheads. The "Underground Great Wall" also hides underground production/enrichment facilities and nuclear reactors for additional warhead production


http://pencildicksvstheworld.blogspot.com/2011/12/chinas-vast-underground-made-by.html

American Technology and Engineering knowledge is being used to make China's Military Tunnels!

American Timken Company makes parts for China

Record setting TBMs on Yellow River drives

Four tunnel boring machines working on the Yellow River Diversion project in Shanxi Province in China are setting record rates of performance and advance.
Portal of Tunnel 5 and culvert between Tunnels 5 and 6 on the Lot II contract
Since starting in 1998/1999 the four ± 5m o. d. machines two new Robbins TBMs, a used Robbins TBM, and a new NFM-Boretec machine - have turned in averages of up to 220m/week each and a combined average of more than 3,060m/month working three 8h shifts/24h day, 6 days/week. In January 2000, one of the new Robbins TBMs recorded an advance of 1,821m of 4.92m o. d. (4.3m i. d.) lined tunnel in one month. Even the slowest of the four machines has averaged nearly 800m/month for more than a year.
While recognizing these data as world records of their class, a visit to the project presented one of those rare opportunities to examine the experiences, performances and details of a group of similar sized machines working through similar host rock material, and to understand the influences that affect project-wide progress.

The four machines are working towards completing some 88.7km of 4.2 to 4.3m i. d. reinforced precast concrete segmentally lined water tunnel for the project on Lots II and III. These two contracts were awarded in August 1997 to a JV of Impregilo (Sponsor - 48%) and CMC (42%) of Italy and with Chinese partner construction Bureau 4 of CWCHM, the China Water Conservancy and Hydropower Ministry (10%).


http://trenchlessinternational.com/news/long_distance_tbm_nears_completion_of_chinas_pinglu_tunnel/004448/
Long distance TBM nears completion of China’s Pinglu Tunnel 
Tue, 11 August 2009

Spanning over 10 years and 200 kilometres of tunnel, China’s Yellow River Water Diversion Project can only be called epic. The latest installment of the extensive scheme, known as the Pinglu Tunnel, will be one of the world’s longest tunnels excavated with a single TBM.  On 9 July 2009, the 4.8 metre (15.7 ft) diameter Robbins Double Shield TBM boring the waterway set ring no. 15,000 - making the tunnel nearly three quarters complete. 

The Sino-Austria Hydraulic Engineering Co. Ltd (SAHEC) is responsible for the 25.4 kilometre (15.8 mi) tunnel, of which about 7 kilometres (4 mi) were left to excavate in mid-July 2009. The machine has been boring since 30 September 2006 in mixed strata up to 50 MPa UCS.
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The final breakthrough is scheduled for the end of April 2010.

The Robbins machine has been operating in China since 2000, when it was used to bore the 12 kilometre (7 mi) long Lot 5 tunnel on an earlier section of the Yellow River Diversion. During the course of excavation, the machine set two world records in its size class of 4 to 5 metres (13 to 16 ft): best month (1,855 metres/ 6,085 feet) and monthly average (1,352 metres/ 4,435 feet). Both records still stand.

Lining for all of the TBM-driven tunnels has consisted of unique hexagonal segments, produced in the city of Shuozhou about 15 kilometres (9 mi) from the Pinglu jobsite. Segments are placed in rings of four elements, in a honeycomb configuration staggered longitudinally. The design was created to allow for high-speed, continuous boring with no downtime while erecting segments. The Pinglu Tunnel will connect to the North Main Line of the Yellow River Project, which additionally includes about 15 kilometres (9 mi) of drill and blast tunnels that will transfer water to Pinglu, Shuozhou, and Datong areas. Over 100 kilometres (62 mi) of the South Main Line were excavated by five TBMs, including four Robbins Double Shields, between 1999 and 2001. The entire scheme will transfer water from the Yellow River to chronically dry regions of Shanxi Province, an area that only receives about 400 mm (16 in) of rainfall per year.




Image caption:
The 4.8 metre (15.7 ft) diameter Robbins Double Shield is excavating mixed ground including soil, hard rock, and sandstone. 

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #90 on: February 20, 2012, 05:09:55 pm »
Bump for WW3

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« Reply #91 on: February 28, 2012, 10:33:42 pm »
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« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2012, 01:43:03 pm »
"Michigan Salt Basin"

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/anthropology-and-history/news-salt-city-1200-feet-beneath-detroit

The Giant Salt City 1200ft Beneath Detroit



Detroit’s salt mines are like an underground city within the city. It is a massive expanse of 1,500 acres and over 100 miles of roads right under everyone’s feet. It stretches from Dearborn, located in the northwest of Detroit’s metropolitan area, and known to automobile lovers as Henry Ford’s birthplace, via Melvindale to Allen Park in the southwest.



http://seaaroundyou.com/what%E2%80%99s-under-detroit-sea-salt/

What’s under Detroit? Sea Salt

http://www.goderichsignalstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1440954&archive=true


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Today, at a depth of 1,750 feet, the Goderich mine is the largest salt mine in the world, measuring about one and a half miles wide and extending two miles into Lake Huron. Since its inception in 1959, the mine has produced 150 million tons of salt. We are proud of all our present and past employees who have contributed to our half century of success and made it possible for Sifto thrive in this community.

http://www.thelovelyplanet.net/khewra-salt-mines-jhelum-pakistan/
Khewra Salt Mines of Jhelum, Pakistan



Alexander, the Great was on his expedition to conquer the Indian subcontinent. When he arrived near Mianwali region (presently in Pakistan), his horses began to lick some stones

Khewra salt mines of Jhelum , Pakistan are not only the second largest salt reserves after the Sifto Canada, Inc., salt mine in Goderich, Ontario but it is a fascinating tourist destination. Khewra salt mines are now administered by the Pakistan Mineral Development Corporation (PMDC) which was established in 1974. Although the main tunnel of Khewra salt mines was developed by Dr. H. Wrath in 1872 but it was ultimately established as a tourist resort by PMDC in 2002. The present architecture of the tunnel was designed by Chaudhry Niaz Ali Khan.

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« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2012, 02:25:47 pm »
http://www.archives.gov/preservation/storage/underground-facilities.html
Adaptation of Underground Space

An examination of the opportunities and challenges of keeping paper, film, and magnetic media in underground facilities
by Tom Benjamin March 1999

The degree of security afforded your important records is one of the most important considerations when choosing a records storage site whether on-site or off-site. Nothing else will matter if something happens to your important records. A visual inspection and evaluation of your records storage location could be the best time investment you might ever make


Hey, you're underground and in the middle of no where!

Low cost compared to above ground.

  • Underground construction costs are relatively low.
    Underground maintenance costs are low.
    Underground power costs are low.
    Underground property taxes are low.


http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/shadow-government-bunkers-security-heightened-at-underground-storage-facilities_05092011

http://www.earth-house.com/html/deep_vaults.html

Around the USA and elsewhere you'll find deep vaults that have been carved out of the earth. Some were former mines where the resources have dried up. Here you'll find secure storage facilities. Some for private individuals, works of art, government files, compressed air and more. Who knows, there may be one under your feet right now

example:

Louisville's Underground-the 100-acre cavern under the Louisville Zoo has remained an unrealized business opportunity, virtually dormant since the last load of limestone was mined nearly 20 years ago to build bridges and roads across the Midwest.

http://www.chron.com/business/press-releases/article/Leasing-Activity-Remains-Strong-at-Meritex-Lenexa-3372874.php

Industrial leasing activity remains strong at Meritex Lenexa underground. Meritex announces five new leases and tenant expansions totaling 173,000 square feet of space at Meritex Lenexa Executive Park.
 
Lenexa, KS (PRWEB) March 01, 2012

Meritex announces five new leases and tenant expansions totaling 173,000 square feet of space at Meritex Lenexa Executive Park. Leasing activity in 2012 has started off strong following more than 370,000 square feet of leasing activity last year. “This winter has been fairly mild, but it’s continued to stay ’hot’ in our underground project,” said Lonnie Cannon Property/Leasing Manager. “We continue to see tenants and prospects wanting to take advantage of the underground economies.”

http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2000/Sep/hour2_092900.html
Hour Two: Limestone Living: Converting Mines to Human Space

What to do with an old limestone mine? Fill it -- with people, supplies, offices, and warehouses. In the greater Kansas City area, an estimated 20 million square feet of business and industrial space lies below the ground, squirreled away in space created by the mining of Bethany Falls and Argentine limestone. That accounts for over 10 percent of the business and industrial space in the area.

When mining began in the area in the late 1800's, limestone was mainly quarried. But starting in the 1950's, mining began to take place with an aim to leaving usable subterranean space behind. Tunneling into the hills and bluffs in the area, miners carefully extracted stone in a grid-shaped pattern, leaving behind large rooms with massive, evenly spaced pillars holding up the "roof" of the mine. Miners remove a 12-foot thick layer of rock some 150 feet underground, leaving a thick ceiling between the underground space and the outside world.  
A truck in part of Subtropolis.

 http://www.huntmidwest.com/ >Hunt Midwest photo)  

Costs for converting such spaces are low - the process mainly involves painting, pouring a concrete floor, wiring, and putting up a few walls.

Consequently, leasing costs are also low -- in some cases, half of what above-ground space would lease for. The relatively constant temperature, around 65 degrees, makes the old mines a useful place for long-term archival storage. (The original prints of 'Ben Hur' and 'Gone With the Wind' call a Kansas City area mine home.)

Costs for insurance, taxes, heating and cooling, and security are also less underground.  

Food companies use the space, saving on refrigeration costs. The US Postal Service, the largest tenant of underground space in the area, uses mine space for fulfilling orders for stamps for collectors. A massive duty-free warehouse holds goods from around the world. Other uses for the space have included a college library, health center, and computer lab.

http://www.marengowarehouse.com/
Marengo Warehouse
 P.O. Box 304
 Marengo, In. 47140


Marengo Warehouse & Distribution Center

The Marengo Warehouse & Distribution Center is a vast complex of storage chambers and roadways originally constructed as a result of limestone mining using the classic room and pillar method. With its dry, stable indoor climate (58-60 degrees year round) and secure access Marengo Warehouse offers a unique setting for storage of virtually any type of non-hazardous material. Paved, double-lane roadways 60 feet wide with metal hilide lighting and ceilings 30 feet high mean customers can route OTR trucks and container loads of product and material directly to their own internal docks at Marengo.
 
The facility also offers several more creative possibilities for customers needing large, economical, secure space. Office facilities, large scale governmental operations and, even, tourism possibilities are all worthy of consideration.
 
One of the world's most secure man made vaults, Marengo is nearly a three-quarter mile square with nearly four million square feet of usable storage area. The hundreds of individual chambers and roadway corridors in Marengo are large enough for semi-trailer trucks to turn around comfortably without ever backing up – an example of how Marengo saves customers time and money in loading and unloading.

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« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2012, 09:18:43 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettmann_Archive

The Bettmann Archive is a collection of 19 million photographs and images, some going back to the United States Civil War and including some of the best known U.S. historic images. The Archive also includes many images from Europe and elsewhere
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In 1981, Bettmann sold the archive to the Kraus Thomson Organization.
 
In 1995, the archive was sold to Corbis, a digital stock photography company founded by Bill Gates. Issues arising from this sale regarding the restriction of access to the collection were described in the editorial "Goodbye to All That" in the May 2001 issue of American Heritage magazine.[1]
 
In 2002, to preserve the photos and negatives, Corbis moved the archive from Manhattan to the Iron Mountain National Underground Storage Facility, a former limestone quarry located 220 feet (67 m) below ground in western Pennsylvania.

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The archive began with Otto Bettmann's personal collection of 15,000 images which he brought with him in suitcases when he escaped from Nazi Germany.[1] Over the years, it acquired other collections, including the Gendreau Collection of Americana in 1967, the Underwood & Underwood Collection of material from late 19th century to World War I in 1971, and the United Press International collection in 1984.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Mountain_Incorporated
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The best known Iron Mountain storage facility is a high-security storage facility in a former limestone mine at Boyers, Pennsylvania near the city of Butler in the United States. It began storing records in 1954 and was purchased by Iron Mountain in 1998. It is here that Bill Gates stores his Corbis photographic collection in a refrigerated cave 220 feet (67 m) underground.[10]
 
Iron Mountain has additional underground storage facilities in the United States and the rest of the world. Most of the company's over 1,000 storage locations are in above-ground leased warehouse space located near customers.

http://www.uarchives.com/underground-archives-joins-forces-with-hollywood-vaults/
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 Underground Archives Joins Forces with Hollywood Vaults
 
WAMPUM, PA  – Underground Archives, a company specializing in archival records management, has announced a partnership with Hollywood Vaults to offer a unique cold storage solution for the long-term archival preservation of film and media assets.
 
The subterranean vault, built by Underground Archives in its highly secure facility, is provided to Hollywood Vaults’ clients for all of their specialized cold storage and preservation needs.

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http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/01/ff_caverns_safeguard/all/1

Underground Caverns Keep Things Cold, Safe… and Secret

Corbis Film Preservation Facility Iron Mountain Boyers, Pennsylvania

Pionen Data Center Stockholm, Sweden
Chapel of St. Kinga Wieliczka Salt Mine Wieliczka, Poland
Kraft Foods Distribution Center Springfield Underground Springfield, Missouri
Dinorwig Power Station (aka Electric Mountain) Gwynedd, Wales - a former slate mine and Europe’s largest man-made cavern—lies deep below Elidir Mountain


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« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2012, 06:39:53 pm »
Plattsburg AFB NY

As a SAC Base it is highly likely that there were underground levels installed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattsburgh_Air_Force_Base


Plattsburgh Air Force Base is a former United States Air Force Strategic Air Command (SAC) base covering 3,447 acres (13.7 km²)[1] in the extreme northeast corner of New York, 20 miles (32 km) south of the Canadian border. It is located on the western shore of Lake Champlain[2] opposite Burlington, Vermont, in the city of Plattsburgh, New York.
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Atlas Missiles
 
Plattsburgh AFB had the only intercontinental ballistic missiles ever deployed east of the Mississippi River. During 1961 and 1962, the physical appearance of the area surrounding Plattsburgh AFB underwent changes as construction began on 12 Atlas F missile sites. The sites were built within a 50 miles (80 km) radius of the base and were completed in 1963, at an average cost of $3 million each.
 
The missile silos were built inside gigantic holes 174 feet (53 m) deep and 54 feet (16 m) wide into solid rock. Approximately 8,000 cubic yards (6,100 m3) of concrete and tons of structural steel were used in each hole to create a blast proof, underground silo, protected by massive overhead doors for the 81-foot (25 m) tall missiles. A single underground blockhouse containing launch consoles and personnel quarters was constructed at each site. The squadron was equipped with 13 missiles, allowing each silo to have its Atlas missile with one left for spare. When one missile in a silo was scheduled for maintenance, the spare missile kept at PAFB was sent to replace it. This allowed the 380th to maintain 12 ready to launch missiles seven days a week.
 
All sites were in New York state except for two located on the other side of Lake Champlain in Vermont. The 556th Strategic Missile Squadron, formerly assigned to Presque Isle Air Force Base, Maine, was transferred to Plattsburgh AFB on 1 October 1961 and became completely operational on 20 December 1962. This was the last Atlas squadron to be accepted. The 556th's last operational day was 30 April 1965 with the Squadron's inactivation on 25 June 1965. The inactivation was part of a phase-out of US first-generation missiles, the Atlas series and Titan 1 models, which was announced by Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense, on 19 November 1964.


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In a section of my report on the current state of the Montauk Project and related activities entitled "Phoenix Undead" which lists some known subterranean facilities where evidence shows covert "psy-ops" activity being conducted, I referred specifically to an installation beneath Plattsburgh AFB in northeastern New York State.

Plattsburgh AFB has a VAST, 18-level subterranean facility.

Columbine perpetrator Eric Harris was born in Plattsburgh and spent his whole life there until his family moved to Littleton in 1996. Eric Harris’s father was an Air Force pilot stationed at Plattsburgh AFB.

What’s also curious here is that Plattsburgh AFB closed in 1994, was SUPPOSEDLY completely inoperative and the property due to be "recycled" for various other uses by September 1995. And yet Harris was still in Plattsburgh well after 94-95! The only thing still going on at Plattsburgh AFB after 1994 would obviously be covert activities. The peculiarities regarding the text of documents from Eric Harris’s website and the likelihood that father Wayne Harris was connected to not only the documents themselves but ALSO to the activities described therein CANNOT be forgotten.

Local residents and other eyewitnesses report that the base, though somewhat deserted, was still in some level of operation in 1997 even on the "surface," AND that top-secret operations were definitely going on in the documented 18-level underground complex beneath the base. This was verified by EM/RF signal detection equipment. Aside from mind control related operations, the base at Plattsburgh has currently been verified as a site of particle accelerator/beam research and experimentation.

There are indications that in the 1960s Plattsburgh AFB was linked to the horrendous Ewen Cameron, president of the American Psychiatric Association, The Canadian Psychiatric Association AND the World Psychiatric Association, and his massive abuses in the MKULTRA (drug and neuroelectrically-based mind control) Project just over the border in Montreal. Reports indicate that this legacy continued at Plattsburgh through the 70s and beyond with electromagnetic/radio-frequency MK activities tied to some of the experimentation at Montauk.

(Mentioned also in "Phoenix Undead" as a location for covert operations linked to Montauk’s mind control experimentation is Stewart Air Force Base in New York, in between Plattsburgh and Montauk. Military facilities at Malta, N.Y. are also strongly tied to MK operations at both Montauk and Plattsburgh.)

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« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2012, 08:26:45 am »
"Unexplained Booms and Violent Shaking Rattle Residents" Clintonville, WI (Northeastern Wisconsin)? Is there a DUMB in the area?
http://www.blippitt.com/unexplained-booms-and-violent-shaking-rattle-residents-in-clintonville-wisconsin-video/
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« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2012, 09:01:50 am »
I have a copy of Sauders book "Underground Bases and Tunnels - What is the government trying to hide"? On pg 57 & 58 it says:

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In 1975 the Defense Nuclear Agency published a detailed, geological study that discussed dozens of possible sites all over the country for very deeply based military installations -- as much as 5,000 ft. underground.

... It lists: "Mid-West - Northern Wisconsin (general area between Chippewa Falls, Wausau and Florence)"

Clintonville is in Waupaca County:
http://www.wistravel.com/images/pdf/wisconsin-map.pdf
http://www.co.waupaca.wi.us/
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« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2012, 09:40:00 am »
Clintonville is at bottom of map!

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« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2012, 11:18:59 pm »
Nazi Engineers, Secret U.S. Military Bases, and Elevators To The Subterranean and Submarine Depths (Part 1)
http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/10/nazi-engineers-secret-u-s-military-bases-and-elevators-to-the-subterranean-and-submarine-depths-part-1/

The Intel Hub
By Dr. Richard Sauder
With Commentary By Shepard Ambellas & Alex Thomas
April 10, 2012

(The following is Part 1 of an exclusive underground base series brought to you by The Intel Hub with excerpts from the book Hidden in Plain Sight: Beyond the X-Files, written by acclaimed underground base researcher and author, Dr. Richard Sauder.)

In the preliminary stages of my research in the early 1990s, I had no informed idea of how deep below the surface underground bases could reach. By chance I had gone to hear a public talk by a man I did not know, on a topic that had nothing whatsoever to do with underground bases.

However, during the talk he unexpectedly made an offhand comment that caused me to think that he knew something about secret underground facilities. A few days later, I telephoned him and asked if I could come by his office to speak with him.

He consented to give me a little of his time, so I went by and asked him some questions, including about a specific location where I believed there was a secret underground base. He verified that there was a base there and told me that it was one mile deep.
At the time, that seemed improbably deep to me. I now understand, however, that it is well within the state of the art of the underground excavation and construction industries to build facilities one mile deep. In fact, facilities can be even deeper than that.
Other information that has since been given to me has raised the question of facilities possibly as deep as 12 to 14 miles. Frankly, I do not know what the technological limits are in the super-secret, black budget realm of compartmentalized programs.

But I can make some fairly well educated deductions based on what I have been told and information gleaned from the open engineering and industrial literature.

At a minimum, my investigation suggests that depths up to three miles are feasible, and that conclusion is based on a careful reading of the open scientific, mining and civil engineering literature.

At one time I considered greater depths than that as unattainable, but no longer. While I don’t know the limitations of the technology in the clandestine realm, based on everything I have heard over the years it must surpass the limits found in the open technical literature.

It could be that with classified improvements in material science and mining engineering that bases can be sited many miles beneath the surface of the land or the seafloor. Frankly, I now surmise that we are dealing with a science-fiction-like reality that has been held back from public knowledge.

In that regard, it is clear to me that there are power structures on this planet that closely interface with, and yet remain separate from, the official power establishment of any nation as publicly presented in the mainstream news media.

The sum total of all the many years of reading and research I have done, coupled with the myriad conversations I have had with an extremely eclectic selection of individuals, even raises the question as to whether some control structures and agencies for this planet may possibly extend off-planet.

But even if that is not the case, we are certainly dealing at the least with trillions of dollars of off-the-books money, very advance technology, an incredible infrastructure of secrecy, thousands and thousands of people who are in the know but say little or nothing about what they know, all of which revolves around projects of tremendous scope and complexity, carried out over a long period of time, and about which there is almost zero public knowledge.

Alex Thomas: “The trillions of dollars off the books, advanced technology, and the infrastructure of secrecy have all been brought about by numerous globalist organizations such as the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group as well as many other even more secretive groups that are not even known by name. Those involved with underground bases may literally know that they will be immediately killed if they speak out about what they know.”

I don’t know how many secret underground bases there are, but they surely do exist, there is no question of that.
In 1987, Lloyd A. Duscha, the then-Deputy Director of Engineering and Construction for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, gave a talk at an engineering conference entitled “Underground Facilities for Defense – Experience and Lessons.” In the first paragraph of his talk he stated that:

After World War II, political and economic factors changed the underground construction picture and caused a renewed interest to “think underground.” As a result of this interest, the Corps of Engineers became involved in the design and construction of some very complex and interesting military projects. [1]
A little further on he said:

Although the conference program indicates the topic to be “Underground Facilities for Defense – Experience and Lessons,” I must deviate a little because several of the most interesting facilities that have been designed and constructed by the Corps are classified. [2]

Subsequently Mr. Duscha went into a discussion of the Corps’ involvement in the 1960s in the construction of the large and elaborate NORAD base buried deep beneath Cheyenne Mountain, in Colorado. And then he said:

As stated earlier, there are other projects of similar scope, which I cannot identify, but which included multiple chambers up to 50 feet wide and 100 feet high using the same excavation procedures mentioned for the NORAD facility. [3]

You will not find a franker public admission of the existence of secret, underground bases than that.

It carries all the more weight coming from Lloyd Duscha, given his high position in the military-industrial complex.
Shepard: “I myself have conducted an interview with the owner of a major private underground base & shelter construction firm. What he told Bob Tuskin and myself off air during a commercial break was absolutely mind-blowing.

He literally admitted that most of his clientele is Illuminati affiliated, including politicians, movie stars, and more. He maintained that client confidentiality was a factor, claiming that half of the business is reinforced homes. Leaving the other 50% up to speculation.
The company has even built 3 massive arks for a doomsday scenario just like you see in the movie 2012. This was covered by CNN.”
The Project Paperclip, Nazi Connection

It is not accidental that Lloyd Duscha mentioned the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers’ increased interest in underground bases and construction in the post-World War II period.

In the closing stages of WW II, the U.S. military overran the Third Reich and confiscated a treasure trove of Nazi technology, engineering facilities and research laboratories.

The American military also apprehended and detained large numbers of Nazi scientists, engineers and technicians, many of whom were brought to the United States under the auspices of the infamous “Project Paperclip” and integrated into American industry, research institutes and into the military and other official agencies.

Read Project Paperclip File 1
Read Project Paperclip File 2
Read Project Paperclip File 3

The cases of such Project Paperclip notables as Wernher von Braun, and other “ex”-Nazis who were put to work building rockets and missiles for the military and NASA, are well known.

The American political and military establishments were very impressed with Nazi V-2 and buzz bomb missile technology, and brought Von Braun and his team to the USA at war’s end to continue and advance the research and design they had done under Hitler’s Third Reich.

The development of the manned space program, satellite technology, deep space probes, intercontinental nuclear missiles and cruise missiles are all fruits of their work.

But Project Paperclip had another aspect which has received almost no publicity. And that aspect had to do with the underground facilities that the American military discovered when they entered the remnants of the Third Reich in the concluding stages of open military hostilities between the Allied and Axis powers in the European theater.

I have two declassified Project Paperclip memoranda in my files that specifically request four men with expertise in underground construction, one of whom is Xaver Dorsch.

Project Paperclip File Xaver Dorsch File
The other men are not known to me, but Xaver Dorsch is. He was the director of the so-called Todt Organization in the closing phase of WW II.

The Todt Organization was originally headed by Fritz Todt, whence the name. Fritz Todt was the designer and creator of the well-known German autobahn system of highways.

The Todt organization served a somewhat analogous function in the Third Reich to that of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers or the U.S. Navy Seabees in the present American military system.
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In other words, it was a civil engineering agency that supported the operations of the German military, though, unlike the case of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers or the U.S. Navy Seabees in the American system, the Todt Organization was not a formal part of the German military structure.

However, it did play a crucial role in the Nazi war effort and constructed many facilities for use by the German military and industry. Some of the underground structures that it built were impressively large and sophisticated.

In 1942 Fritz Todt was killed in an airplane crash and by war’s end control of the agency had effectively passed to Xaver Dorsch. In the closing stages of the war, Hitler specifically tasked Dorsch with developing a series of huge, underground, industrial manufacturing facilities.
Allied bombing raids were shredding German manufacturing and the Nazi command wanted to shift production underground, out of reach of American and British bombs. The collapse of the Third Reich ultimately put an end to those plans.

I remain persuaded, however, that a great deal of what the Allies found when they went into Germany remains classified to the present day, and that includes the full extent of the underground facilities built by the Todt Organization.

Xaver Dorsch was taken prisoner by the American military on 7 May 1945. I have two moderately lengthy documents that he wrote for the Americans, evidently as part of his debriefing by them.4 One was produced in 1946, the other in 1949-1950.

The documents deal with the administrative structure and operational activities of the Todt Organization during the war. I strongly suspect that Dorsch supplied a great deal more information to his American captors during that period that has yet publicly to see the light of day.

Xaver Dorsch may even have worked directly for the American military on the construction of secret, underground bases in the USA, just as he had done for the Nazis during the Third Reich.

It is a fact that he was in American military captivity and was requested specifically by Project Paperclip.
During the course of my research I spoke with an expert who is personally familiar with some of the Nazi underground constructions in Europe and his observation to me was that they were very well made facilities.

One of the best accounts of such facilities that I have found in the open literature is the anecdotal history related by Colonel Robert S. Allen that details what General Patton’s army discovered when it entered Germany in the closing stage of World War II.

Col. Allen revealed that Patton’s forces found four large underground bases in the vicinity of the grim Nazi concentration camp near Ohrdruf, Germany; other underground facilities were reported in nearby towns. Col. Allen provided the following description:

The underground installations were amazing. They were literally subterranean towns. There were four in and around Ohrdruf…. None were natural caverns or mines. All were man-made military installations. The horror camp had provided the labor. An interesting feature of the construction was the absence of any spoil. It had been carefully scattered in hills miles away.

Over 50 feet underground, the installations consisted of two and three stories, several miles in length and extending like the spokes of a wheel. The entire hull structure was of massive, reinforced concrete. Purpose of the installations was to house the High Command after it was bombed out of Berlin. The Ohrdruf installations were to have been used by the Signal Communications Section.
One, near the horror camp, was a huge telephone exchange equipped with the latest and finest apparatus. Signal Corps experts estimated their cost at $10,000,000.

This place also had paneled and carpeted offices, scores of large work and store rooms, tiled bathrooms with both tubs and showers, flush toilets, electrically equipped kitchens, decorated dining rooms and mess halls, giant refrigerators, extensive sleeping quarters, recreation rooms, separate bars for officers and enlisted personnel, a moving-picture theater, and air-conditioning and sewage systems. Begun in 1944, the installations had been completed but never occupied. [5]

The Regenwurmlager in Poland

Another spectacular example of Nazi underground engineering prowess was the subterranean Regenwurmlager complex that still sprawls for many miles deep beneath the countryside of western Poland. Several years ago Paul Stonehill wrote an eye-opening article about this site, replete with color photos, in FATE magazine. [6]

The Regenwurmlager was an obvious Nazi analog on the eastern German border region to the well-known Maginot Line that the French had built in their eastern border region, in that it also, like the Maginot Line, was comprised of many miles of underground tunnels and electric train lines connecting bunkers, fortifications and other critical military facilities.

Amazingly, the full extent of the huge complex is not known, even today. It is not known if either the Poles or the Russians have ever fully explored the many miles of tunnels and underground emplacements.

According to Stonehill, the facility has many secret or hidden entrances, and an underground subway system with an electric train on rails that ran through a tunnel approximately 100 to 165 feet below the surface.

On the surface, there were numerous military fortifications and bunkers crammed with weaponry, connected by secret passages to a sprawling labyrinth of tunnels below ground, said to be 30 miles or more in length.
Stonehill reports that Adolf Hitler is alleged to have visited the Regenwurmlager in 1937, riding in on the underground subway train. [7]
It happens that the Regenwurmlager complex of military bunkers and underground tunnels and subway trains was located in territory that was overrun by Soviet troops in the closing stages of World War II, so the American military may never have examined the facility.

However, I consider it very likely that Xaver Dorsch would have had personal knowledge of this facility, and it is quite likely that he extensively briefed his American captors on the large Regenwurmlager system of underground tunnels and bunkers.

This book cannot provide an exhaustive treatment of Nazi underground facilities, but the examples provided suffice to demonstrate that 65 to 75 years ago, Nazi engineers already had a sophisticated capability to construct elaborate, large facilities underground.

The American military understood this clearly at war’s end, and urgently wanted to bring Nazi experts to the USA to build underground facilities here also.

By the time you finish this book, you should understand that this mission was accomplished.
While we still do not know the full scope of what the Nazis did underground decades ago, we also still do not know the full extent of what the American military, and other agencies and corporations, have built underground right here in the USA, and elsewhere in the world.

What can be said with certainty is that an extensive program of secret underground construction began in earnest in the years following WW II and that program continues in effect to this day.

In part 2 of this exclusive series we will be discussing known locations of underground bases as well as areas believed to house the bigger, more secretive ones. At the conclusion of this 5 part series we will be conducting a major roundtable discussion on the the topic. Please spread this article and the entire series to your friends and family!

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Sources
1.Lloyd A. Duscha, “Underground Facilities for Defense – Experience and Lessons,” in Tunneling and Underground Transport: Future Developments in Technology, Economics and Policy, ed. F.P. Davidson (New York: Elsevier Science Publishing Company, Inc., 1987), pp. 109-113.
2. Ibid.
3. Ibid.
4. Xaver Dorsch, Diplomingenieur, Former Head of the Chief Office of the Organisation Todt, The Organization Todt in France and Germany, Steinlager Allendorf, 1 September 1946. Also, Xaver Dorsch, Organization Todt (Dorsch Project), MS # P-037, English Copy, translated by G. Weber, edited by J.B. Robinson, reviewed by Capt. W.F. Ross, Foreign Military Studies Branch, Historical Division, Headquarters United States Army Europe, 1949-1950.
5. Colonel Robert S. Allen, Lucky Forward: The History of Patton’s Third Army (New York: The Vanguard Press, Inc., 1947).
6. Paul Stonehill, “Secrets of the Regenwurmlager,” FATE vol. 55 no. 10 issue 631 (November 2002): 28-33.
7. Ibid.
8. “From Zero To 300 In 60 Seconds Otis High-Speed Elevator Systems Selected For Landmark 88-story Melbourne Tower,” http://www.otis.com/news/newsdetail/0,1368,CLI23_NID11699_RES1,00.html, 2002.
9. “Micro Craft Does Major Business,” http://www.microcraft.com/InsideOutlook/WN_tenn.htm, 2002.
10. “World’s Fastest Elevator,” http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/2004/3/elevator/print.phtml, 2004.
11. Jason Goodwin, Otis: Giving Rise to the Modern City (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2001).
12. Timothy Good, Alien Contact: Top-Secret UFO Files Revealed (New York: Quill, William
Morrow, 1993).
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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2012, 03:11:45 pm »
L.A. to N.Y. in Half an Hour: 10,000 Plus M.P.H. Tunnel Train Used for Underground Bases?
http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/12/l-a-to-n-y-in-half-an-hour-10000-plus-m-p-h-tunnel-train-developed/

By Shepard Ambellas & Avalon
April 12, 2012

Note: This article is an add-on to our ongoing series, in conjunction with Dr. Richard Sauder, on the existence of a vast network of underground bases throughout the country.

Read part 1 of the series: “Nazi Engineers, Secret U.S. Military Bases, and Elevators To The Subterranean and Submarine Depths.”
The Vary High Speed Transit System (VHST) was a Rand Corporation concept that was presented to the military industrial complex in the 1970′s.

The concept was way ahead of it’s time, exactly what the secret sinister government needed to connect their vast expansions of underground bases throughout the United States and in various regions worldwide.

This could offer an explanation for some of the recent strange sounds and booms across the country.

The late (and presumably murdered) Phil Schneider spoke about what he called an Electro Magneto Leviton Train System that traveled at speeds in excess of Mach 2.

The VHST and its proposed routes, (vast advanced tunnel systems) at the time of it’s conception in the early 1970′s, fit and follow other underground base researchers findings as well as some of my own.

An interesting aspect within the Rand Corp. document is the fact that the tunnels are way to expansive to pump all of the air out at once to create the frictionless environment needed travel at speeds in excess of 10,000+ MPH.

The air has to be evacuated from the tunnel system in segments with large crucially timed mechanized door systems as the train passes through each vapor locked section.

Electrical and mechanical noises would ensue from such operation of massive airlock doors throughout the tunnel system once the underground bases or VHST were fully operational.

During this process strange air like sounds, hums, and mechanized sounds would persist especially if the tunnels were at a depth of 400 – 800 feet (semi shallow in underground base terms). Energy is also returned into the system as the trains decelerate.
The recent Clintonville booms might also be explained as underground sonic booms.

As the trains reach the speed of sound, a sonic boom could be heard and felt. Multiple booms could persist in one area as the train reaches the speed of sound at the same point in the tunnel system every trip.

The following article entitled ‘L.A. to N.Y. in Half an Hour? 10,000 – M.P.H. Tunnel Train Plan Developed’, was first published in the year 1972 by the LA Times;

LA Times
June 11, 1972
A Rand corporation physicist has devised a rapid transit system to get you from Los Angeles to NY in half an hour for a $50 fare. He said existing technology made such a system feasible and so does a cost analysis. The essence of the idea is to dig a tunnel more or less along the present routes of U.S. highways 66 and thirty. The tunnel would contain several large tubes for East West travel of trains that float on magnetic fields, moving at top speeds of 10,000 mph. Passengers would faced forwarded during acceleration, backward during deceleration.

According to R. M. Salter Jr. head of the physical sciences department at Rand, the idea of high-speed train travel using electromagnetic suspension was first put forward in 1905 and actually patented in 1912. The trains he suggested now would be single cars rather than actual trains, and would be big enough to carry both passengers and freight, including large containers and automobiles.

The cars, or gondolas, would leave the New York and Los Angeles terminals at one minute or even 30 second intervals. On the main line their would be intermediate stops at Amarillo and Chicago. Feeder lines would meet the main lines at both locations.
Their would also be subsidiary lines coming into the two main terminals from such cities as San Francisco, Boston and Washington. The main idea of VHST, or Very High Speed Transit, developed originally in thinking about the satellite program and hyper sonic aircraft speeds.” Salter said in an interview at Rand.

“The underground tubes were for suggested as alternatives, perhaps not quite seriously, but it was soon apparent that the idea of a tunnel containing such tubes had a lot of real advantages.” he said.

In the first place, he explained there is the extremely important matter of the use and conservation of immense amounts of energy needed to move the vehicles at such great speed. “An airplane that travels faster than sound uses up a large part of its available energy supply just in climbing to an altitude where the speeds for which it is designed are possible.” Salter said. “That’s true of rockets to. Much of their energy is spent and lost forever and getting above the atmosphere.”

This would not be true for the VHST gondolas traveling on their electromagnetic rail beds, according to Salter. The tubes would be emptied of air, almost to the point of vacuum, so the trains would not need much power to overcome air resistance. They would not even have to be streamlined. In addition to an electromagnetic roadbeds, the opposing electromagnetic loops of wires in the floors of the gondolas would be super cooled with liquid Helium to further eliminate electrical resistance.

Just as important, the gondolas would, like old-fashioned trolley cars, generate power as they break to a stop. “Since the trains would be leaving New York and Los Angeles simultaneously every minute, the power generated by cars breaking coming into the terminal would be transferred to the power lines propelling the cars going the other way.”

“For example, there will be halfway points between each stop. Trains would use power and getting to that halfway point, and generate power going the other half of the way to the stop. Each would use power generated by trains going in the other direction.” That is the way trolley cars have operated for eighty years – taking power from the overhead lines while accelerating or running along at a steady speed, and putting power back into the lines while breaking or coasting.

The big drawback to the Salter scheme is the cost of tunneling across the nation. He admitted that it would be expensive but it does not daunt him. “After the tunneling was finished, everything else would be practically free.” He said. Even at the low fair he proposes, the enormous debt created by the tunneling would be amortized within a reasonable period if the number of passengers and the amount of freight came up to Salter’s expectations.

He figures the tunnel’s would carry seven or 8 million tons of freight a day and that passengers would take to traveling back and forth between the Eastern West Coast has readily as they now fly between San Francisco and Los Angeles. “The technology of this is much easier than was developed for the space program.”Salter said. And tunnels, he added, need not be so expensive to dig is people think.
The most expensive thing about surface routes is the acquiring right-of-way and removing buildings that stand on the chosen route. The tunnel would not incur this expense. The tunnel, besides carrying tubes for passenger and freight gondolas, would carry many of the utilities now strung across the countryside on high wires. Salter said these underground power “lines” could be super-cooled with helium, like the electromagnetic loops in the floors of the gondolas. He said this would so reduce resistance that power could be transferred from one end of the country to the other without appreciable loss.

At the present time long distance transportation of power is difficult because of the amount of energy wasted. He said laser beams could be carried in the tunnel for the instantaneous transmission of messages. Even the mail could go cross-country in pneumatic tubes carried in the tunnel. All this would save money and speed amortization, thus cutting the overall cost of tunneling. Salter said approximately 8000 miles of tunnel were dug in America and Western Europe in the 1960s.

That includes mine shafts. But he said existing tunneling technology could be vastly improved. Salter said many tunnels are dug nowadays almost as they would have been in the dark ages. Drilling holes in tunnel faces, and using machines with rotary bits are methods of tunneling that can be improved, according to him. He said the tunnel could be worked on from a great many “faces,” for instance. Salter suggested, too, that electronic beams or even water be used to drill holes for blasting. The high-powered electrons would drill blasting holes almost instantaneously.

Projections of future airplane and automobile travels in the United States, and the future train and truck transfer of freight, show that Salter’s tunnel idea is not a science fiction fantasy.

There will be more room in the tunnels for all the necessary transport than there will be over any feasible number of Airways and freeways and tracks. Salter’s suggestion, according to the experts who have had a look at it, is an eminently practical one for handling all the necessary traffic cleanly and without clogging up the air and surface pathways. But it will such a system ever be developed? Salter himself is not optimistic.

“Perhaps” is how he puts it. “I am not nearly so optimistic about the political aspects of the problem as I am about our technical capability of doing the job.” He said. “History shows that some obviously feasible and practical projects, such as the tunnel proposed over and over again for connecting England and France under the English channel, can be put off for centuries because of political pressure.

On the other hand, societies with relatively primitive technology can perform such engineering feats as the erection of impairments.” Is the VHS T too far out? Salter suggested that to get the right perspective we should look back 100 years.

By comparing transportation a century ago and transportation today, one gets a better feel for just how practical VHST is. It appears to be a logical next step, and much more practical than its alternatives of filling the highways and Airways with more and more individually guided vehicles. “This alone is a compelling reason for the high-speed system.” Salter said. T

here are others, according to him. “We can’t afford any longer to continue indefinitely to pollute the skies with heat, chemicals, not to mention noise, or to carve up the land with pavement.” He said. “We also need to get the trucks and many of the cars off the highway to make the roads available to drivers who drive the family car for fun and convenience.”

As the former official host of The Intel Hub Radio Show, I have to admit I have interviewed some interesting people. However, one interview in particular has always stood out to me.

The interview was with the owner of a private underground base construction company with military ties. During the interview it was stated that for some reason the people in the know are indeed gearing up at a rapid rate for some event that is to occur in the not so distant future.

What might this event be?

Why are the bases activating?

This technology is 100% real and fully functional in the present day.
They say that every day
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And when it's gonna change, my friends
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« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2012, 03:59:17 pm »
They could be preparing for Nibiru's coming.  If Nibiru was getting close to the Earth do you honestly think NASA would panic the public by saying anything ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cOjD64pYdw&feature=relmfu

Think of it what a perfect way for Global Government to form, Nibiru passes, causes devastation, the people cry out and Global Government is formed.

That's if Nibiru comes close to enough to do any harm.

The whole financial crisis may just be a cover for the public consuption.

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« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2012, 04:03:10 pm »
One reason for the financial meltdown is rats burrowing into the earth.
If you KNOW that the world (as you know it) is ending, then the long term financing goes out the window.

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« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2012, 03:34:23 pm »
I'm somewhat of a compulsive wanderer/explorer myself, and I have always been drawn to tunnels and secret underground stuff -- I even dream about it. I have a knack for overhearing building engineers talking about underground tunnels in their buildings and then I find my way into them.   However, since 9/11 everything's gotten harder and everybody is paranoid. Getting into DUMB type facilities would be way cool, tho I don't anticipate it happening anytime soon.


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A Rand corporation physicist has devised a rapid transit system to get you from Los Angeles to NY in half an hour for a $50 fare. He said existing technology made such a system feasible and so does a cost analysis. The essence of the idea is to dig a tunnel more or less along the present routes of U.S. highways 66 and thirty.



Interesting. I'm within walking/biking distance of Rt 30, and also not far from where 30 and the former Rt 66 cross paths, around Joliet.

Tahoe, are you (or anybody) aware of any DUMB connections to the Chicago area Deep Tunnel Project? It's said to be a storm drainage project but it's been going on for 30+ years and isn't scheduled for completion until 2029!

Supposedly, they're using old-fashioned drill & blast technology, which if true, might speak to the corruption and patronage in IL. Why not use state-of-the-art tech?

Or, that could be a cover story for "other activities" or parallel activities. I heard someone claim on "Coast to Coast" that this project had some kind of miltary connection (would be run by Army Corps of Engineers like other waterways, but that's just the beginning), but I don't know of any substantiation for that. 

It wouldn't exactly surprise me if that was true. Chicagoland area is just the kind of place where you'd want to have extensive secret facilities for personnel, materiel, and transportation to control the natives in the event of “"civil unrest.”"

They tried to locate a CCA-operated “detention center” out here (for "“illegal immigrants," natch), which would've been not far south of Rt 30, I might add. But citizens and activists, some coming way out from the north side of Chicago, put up such a fuss that the village that was selected has turned down the project. They will probably find a spot for it, though.


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« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2012, 07:49:55 pm »
Youtube - Construction of Obama's White House underground bunker system

http://whitehouse.gov1.info/tunnel/index.html
The White House Construction Project - "The Big Dig"

In 2010, the White House Deep Underground Command Center project secretly got underway. The construction equipment arrived and tall fences went up around the West Wing of the White House. An initial ill-conceived scheme to deceive the public about the true nature of the construction led to the widespread reporting of a mere "utility upgrade" project. However, the massive scope of the construction led to many questions and outrageous conspiracy theories.
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Deep Underground Command Center

Since the early 1960's, the need for a Deep Underground Command Center (DUCC) has been studied. This Top Secret 1963 memo outlined the requirements for the construction of a DUCC. Because of limits in technology at that time, the project was deferred. Fifty years later, the DUCC is finally becoming a reality.

The new underground command center serves two purposes: 1) To protect key people with sufficient staff and data to render critical decisions and 2) Ensure the survival of the facility to allow dissemination of these decisions. The DUCC can only serve this purpose if the President and his team can secretly relocate there on very short notice.

 Unlike the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) which is currently located below the East Wing of the White House, the DUCC will house its own massive communications center that interfaces with all military, intelligence, and critical federal agency systems. For security purposes, the exact specifications of the DUCC facility are classified.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/after-huge-white-house-construction-job-west-wing-emerges-little-changed-_-but-for-how-long/2012/09/12/3c8050da-fca6-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html
After huge White House construction job, West Wing emerges little changed _ but for how long?
By Associated Press Published: September 11

WASHINGTON — The White House Big Dig is finally wrapping up, but the Big Reveal is proving to be a pretty big letdown.

After nearly two years and $86 million worth of noisy and disruptive construction, the West Wing has emerged from its visual seclusion remarkably unchanged. And deep underground, whatever has been built there remains shrouded in mystery.
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The construction project — officially a long overdue upgrade of White House utilities — began in September 2010 with the excavation of a huge, multistory pit in front of the West Wing, wrapping around to include West Executive Avenue, the street that separates the White House from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. A tall, green construction fence sprang up that blocked America’s most famous office complex from public view.

But now the fence has come down, revealing the familiar whitewashed sandstone facade and the lone Marine guard who stands watch at the entrance to the West Wing lobby.

Bulldozers have covered up the hole. Contractors have repaved the asphalt driveway. National Park Service crews are mostly finished re-grading, re-sodding and replanting. Their goal has been to return the area to its original appearance.

So what, exactly, did all the digging, hammering, welding and concrete-pouring accomplish?

The General Services Administration, which oversaw the work, said it was to replace aging water and steam lines, sewers, storm sewers and electrical wiring conduits. Heating, air conditioning and fire control equipment also are being updated, officials said.

However, what reporters and photographers saw during the construction appeared to go well beyond that: a sprawling, multistory structure whose underground assembly required truckload after truckload of heavy-duty concrete and steel beams....

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« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2012, 10:38:20 pm »
 It staggers the mind. These freaks have interconnecting tunnels, transport systems, hospitols, dining areas, command centers or basically underground citys. Our money built them, they will run there if the shit implodes. We are not card carrying elites are we, these underground rats nests are exclusive.
 In Turkey, underground tunnels were discovered, miles of them thousand of years old, carved in stone. Living quarters, water entrys,Air supplys, livestock areas, etc,. These were not simply caves.www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/turkeyderinkuyu.Over 200 underground cities at least two levels deep have been discovered in ... Entry is through tunnels that force one to almost crawl on occasion in order to be hidden..
  The elites are privy to historical fact as  we the people have been kept in  a mental bubble  fed shiiit, like mushrooms. Even the Vatican has records, eyes only shiite. I can not imagine what the elite have,or the  so called collectors, super-rich have spent their life and fortunes paying for discoverys we will never see.
Just my oppinon...They may nuke a few areas that interfere with the goals and create terror and genocide on a controlled scale, however I have a gut feeling it will not be all out nuke war, other methods of human extermination don't mess with the green. Biowarfare, mass chemical infusion into specific areas, as one of the many.
  Human nature, nievity,  psuedo beleifs, in some cases  upper crust religion, goverment infiltrators, have and the elitist have a keen knowledge of human nature, present tech, and historical facts we will never see.
   
 

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« Reply #107 on: September 14, 2012, 11:51:44 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_citadels_under_London

A number of military citadels are known to have been constructed underground in central London, dating mostly from the Second World War and the Cold War. Unlike traditional above-ground citadels, these sites are primarily secure centres for defence coordination.
 
It is already well known that a large network of tunnels exists below London for a variety of communications, civil defence and military purposes.[1] [2] It is much less clear how these tunnels, and the various facilities linked to them, fit together, if at all. Even the number and nature of these facilities is unclear; only a few have been officially admitted to

Pindar
 
The most important military citadel in central London—and arguably in Britain—is Pindar, a bunker built beneath the Ministry of Defence on Whitehall. Its construction, which took ten years and reportedly cost £126.3 million, finally came to a conclusion in 1994, but Pindar became operational two years earlier, in 1992. The high cost became the subject of some controversy in the early 1990s. Much of the cost overrun was related to the facility's computer equipment, which proved extremely difficult to install due to the very limited degree of physical access to the site.
 
Pindar's main function is to serve as a crisis management and communications centre, principally between the MOD headquarters and the actual centre of military operations, the Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood. It is reported to be connected to Downing Street and the Cabinet Office by a tunnel under Whitehall.[3] In addition, despite rumours, armed Forces Minister Jeremy Hanley told the House of Commons on 29 April 1994 that "the facility is not connected to any transport system."[4]
 
Although Pindar is not open to the public, it has had some public exposure. In the 2003 BBC documentary on the Iraq conflict, Fighting the War, BBC cameras were allowed into the facility to film a small part of a teleconference between ministers and military commanders. Also, in 2008 the British photographer David Moore published his series of photographs, The Last Things, widely believed to be an extensive photographic survey of Pindar.[5]
 
The name Pindar is taken from the ancient Greek poet, whose house alone was left standing after his city was razed.
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http://www.nettleden.com/venues/pindar/

PINDAR is a secure government bunker complex, constructed in the 1990s beneath the Ministry of Defence headquarters on Whitehall in Central London.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/the-bbc-bunker-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-2121187.html

The BBC bunker they don't want you to know about
Who knew that, 10 storeys beneath a Worcestershire hill, the corporation is ready for Armageddon?
By Matthew Bell
Sunday 31 October 2010


It all makes sense, once you know what you're looking at. The 200 acres of thickly wooded hillside, inaccessible by public footpath; the radio mast strategically poking out on top; the hidden entrance, just off the A44 near Evesham, in Worcestershire, surrounded by CCTV cameras and a high-security barrier. But to the passing motorist, there is nothing about Wood Norton Hall to identify it as the site of the BBC's secret nuclear bunker.

Who knew there even was such a thing? The BBC would certainly rather we didn't. It emerged recently that, from tomorrow, the continuity announcers at Radio 4 will decamp there for three weeks while a £1bn refurbishment is finished at Broadcasting House, London. However, a corporation source declined to confirm or deny the story. They would rather not discuss what goes on at Wood Norton, she said, and no, The Independent on Sunday was certainly not welcome to come and visit.
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Buried 10 storeys into the hillside is a fully functioning nuclear bunker, built at great expense in 1966, at the height of the Cold War. So few people knew of its existence that, even when it was being built, visiting trainees were told not to ask why all that concrete was being mixed. Those involved in its construction were obliged to sign the Official Secrets Act, and even now you won't get a peep out of the BBC press office to acknowledge the reality.
 
Measuring 175ft long, the bunker – known to high command as Pawn: Protected Area Wood Norton – remains ready for service in the event of an attack on London. It is said to have beds and ping-pong tables and is connected by tunnels dug into the hillside to a mast on top of the hill which is fitted with a super high-frequency satellite dish.
 
According to the Government War Book, a Cold War document that was declassified only last year and which sets out what happens in the event of a nuclear strike, Wood Norton was a vital tool in keeping the country informed should chaos descend. While the Cabinet would be secreted away in another bunker in Corsham, Wiltshire, pre-recorded tapes kept at Wood Norton would be broadcast across the nation in the minutes before any bomb was dropped. It's a chilling scenario, one that has thankfully been relegated to a distant memory. The question is why now, 20 years on from the end of the Cold War, do we still have it?
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The last time Wood Norton saw active service was late in 1999, when, according to locals, extra staff were drafted in and giant generators were put on standby to cope with the threat of the Millennium bug. Months later, Dyke would draw up his plans to sell, but it must have been with the memory of the bug that it was decided to keep 200 acres of Worcestershire hillside for the nation, with its tunnels, huts, satellite dishes, and masts. And, of course, the bunker. Just in case.
 
Subterranean Britain

* The Corsham bunker is spread over 34 acres outside Bath, Wiltshire. Built in 1957, it would accommodate the Prime Minister, his Cabinet and 6,000 government apparatchiks. It was only decommissioned in 2004.
 
* An underground tunnel linking 10 Downing Street to the Ministry of Defence was used as recently as May by Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson during coalition negotiations after the election. Said to be part of a network of tunnels linking several government buildings, and even Buckingham Palace.
 
* The Kingsway tunnels beneath Holborn were built as an air raid shelter in 1942. Described as a "city under a city", it can house up to 8,000, and was used by Special Operations Executive as a base for covert operations during the war.
 
* In 1939, the National Gallery director Kenneth Clark oversaw the evacuation of all pictures to a slate mine near Bleanau Ffestiniog at Manod in Wales. Although the collection moved out in 1945, the mine was kept available throughout the Cold War until the 1980s.

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #108 on: September 15, 2012, 01:11:38 am »
Jessy Ventura is going to expose a place in Arkansas (I believe) where underground facilities are being constructed along with a plethora of banks popping up around the same area. 
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Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girnJH7tvpM

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« Reply #109 on: September 15, 2012, 03:12:56 pm »
The Globalists will never induce a successful nuclear war.

There are too many otherworlders that will not let Earth humanity end up with the same type of nuclear devastation like Mars and Mercury did.

This is generally unknown to the public and pisses off the Globalists in secret.

They will have to use a viral weapon via drones to achieve their NWO.

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« Reply #110 on: September 15, 2012, 03:25:01 pm »
The Globalists will never induce a successful nuclear war.

There are too many otherworlders that will not let Earth humanity end up with the same type of nuclear devastation like Mars and Mercury did.

This is generally unknown to the public and pisses off the Globalists in secret.

They will have to use a viral weapon via drones to achieve their NWO.

I haven't read this whole thread, but this is a joke post right?

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« Reply #111 on: September 15, 2012, 03:44:37 pm »
I haven't read this whole thread, but this is a joke post right?

Yes.... I think its a John Carter Princess of Mars thing... But it is true Biological/Chemical/electronic warfare is more likely first strike - nukes from countries that don't have other delivery systems or options...



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« Reply #112 on: September 17, 2012, 12:57:42 pm »
Not exactly deep undergound (or maybe some of it is? need to investigate further) the new NSA Data-mining repository... In Utah - (Mormon CIA/FBI/NSA Mafia connection? )

YouTube - NSA's Stellar Wind "Spy Center" aka Utah Data Center

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
By James Bamford


The spring air in the small, sand-dusted town has a soft haze to it, and clumps of green-gray sagebrush rustle in the breeze. Bluffdale sits in a bowl-shaped valley in the shadow of Utah’s Wasatch Range to the east and the Oquirrh Mountains to the west. It’s the heart of Mormon country, where religious pioneers first arrived more than 160 years ago.
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Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013.

Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.
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A short time later, Inglis arrived in Bluffdale at the site of the future data center, a flat, unpaved runway on a little-used part of Camp Williams, a National Guard training site. There, in a white tent set up for the occasion, Inglis joined Harvey Davis, the agency’s associate director for installations and logistics, and Utah senator Orrin Hatch, along with a few generals and politicians in a surreal ceremony.

Standing in an odd wooden sandbox and holding gold-painted shovels, they made awkward jabs at the sand and thus officially broke ground on what the local media had simply dubbed “the spy center.” Hoping for some details on what was about to be built, reporters turned to one of the invited guests, Lane Beattie of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. Did he have any idea of the purpose behind the new facility in his backyard? “Absolutely not,” he said with a self-conscious half laugh. “Nor do I want them spying on me.”
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Within days, the tent and sandbox and gold shovels would be gone and Inglis and the generals would be replaced by some 10,000 construction workers. “We’ve been asked not to talk about the project,” Rob Moore, president of Big-D Construction, one of the three major contractors working on the project, told a local reporter.

The plans for the center show an extensive security system: an elaborate $10 million antiterrorism protection program, including a fence designed to stop a 15,000-pound vehicle traveling 50 miles per hour, closed-circuit cameras, a biometric identification system, a vehicle inspection facility, and a visitor-control center
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It needs that capacity because, according to a recent report by Cisco, global Internet traffic will quadruple from 2010 to 2015, reaching 966 exabytes per year. (A million exabytes equal a yottabyte.) In terms of scale, Eric Schmidt, Google’s former CEO, once estimated that the total of all human knowledge created from the dawn of man to 2003 totaled 5 exabytes. And the data flow shows no sign of slowing. In 2011 more than 2 billion of the world’s 6.9 billion people were connected to the Internet. By 2015, market research firm IDC estimates, there will be 2.7 billion users. Thus, the NSA’s need for a 1-million-square-foot data storehouse. Should the agency ever fill the Utah center with a yottabyte of information, it would be equal to about 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text.

The data stored in Bluffdale will naturally go far beyond the world’s billions of public web pages. The NSA is more interested in the so-called invisible web, also known as the deep web or deepnet—data beyond the reach of the public. This includes password-protected data, US and foreign government communications, and noncommercial file-sharing between trusted peers. “The deep web contains government reports, databases, and other sources of information of high value to DOD and the intelligence community,” according to a 2010 Defense Science Board report. “Alternative tools are needed to find and index data in the deep web … Stealing the classified secrets of a potential adversary is where the [intelligence] community is most comfortable.”

With its new Utah Data Center, the NSA will at last have the technical capability to store, and rummage through, all those stolen secrets. The question, of course, is how the agency defines who is, and who is not, “a potential adversary.”
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What the Prisoners really think...
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http://www.memory-research.de/cms/files/File/BBC_History_Referenzrahmen_des_Krieges.pdf
What Nazi PoWs really thought

Scholars are scrutinising the conversations of thousands of PoWs who were bugged by the British in the Second World War - May 2009 .

A team of social psychologists and historians have launched an unprecedented investigation into the personal opinions of Second World War German
soldiers by peering into their innermost thoughts. By scrutinising millions of words’ worth of British military intelligence secret recordings of
German PoWs
, scholars are hoping to reconstruct the opinions and attitudes of the troops and airmen who fought for the Third Reich.
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[ so how do we analyze all the comm data we are intercepting? oh... ]

Now, more than 60 years later, all key words and attitudes are being  ‘tagged’ and cross-referenced by the researchers in a computerised analysis of the prisoners’ opinions.


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« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2012, 02:15:09 pm »
Jesse Ventura - Conspiracy Theory - Season 3

Ozarks - The most interesting one this season, so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv1XEMiGvlU

Last 7 mins here, then it starts over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbi2LHLv18

The compound supposedly owned by Steven T. Huff LLC from Leesburg, VA (Over Watch Systems Corp) a Defense Contractor and former Army intel officer and CIA.

Watch it and download it while you can. All the others have disappeared the day after the show airs.

btw, I'm wondering if this is anywhere near Joplin, MO where a tornado destroyed the town?


4.2 Earthquake in Eastern Missouri This Morning

30 minutes? That must be a typo and they meant 30 seconds.

Quake on Unknown Fault Rattles St. Louis
http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/st-louis-earthquake-110607-1604/
Jun 7, 2011 10:21 AM ET
By OurAmazingPlanet Staff

A magnitude 4.5 earthquake struck overnight near St. Louis, Mo., next to the notorious New Madrid seismic zone, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

Residents reported shaking for up to 30 minutes, according to news reports. The quake struck about 3 miles (5 kilometers) underground and about 50 miles (82 km) southwest of St. Louis.

The rupture was on an unknown fault in the Illinois basin-Ozark dome region, which is adjacent to the more famous — and more seismically active — New Madrid seismic zone. About 200 years ago, the New Madrid zone unleashed a series of powerful earthquakes that downed trees and sent waves on the Mississippi River roaring over its banks.

The Illinois basin-Ozark dome region has never seen a quake that big. This region covers parts of Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri and Arkansas. The region has known faults but numerous smaller or deeply buried faults remain undetected, according to the USGS.

Even the known faults are poorly located, so few earthquakes in the region can be linked to named faults and it is difficult to determine if a known fault is still active and could slip and cause an earthquake.

Moderately damaging earthquakes strike somewhere in the region each decade or two, and smaller earthquakes are felt about once or twice a year. The largest historical earthquake in the region (magnitude 5.4) damaged southern Illinois in 1968.

A multi-state earthquake drill was held in the region earlier this year to raise awareness of the fault systems and their potential to rupture.



Location of the Missouri Earthquake

A website that tracks earthquake, earthquake-report.com, posted some comments from users who reported feeling their homes and furniture shake:

"Chesterfield Missouri (IV MMI) : My dog was acting VERY weird for a good five minutes before We felt the noticeable amount of shaking. Very scary. The dog is still acting the same way, seems like she’s actually getting worse. Very antsy and nervous. Shaking a lot. Our home seems to be okay, but the dogs are going crazy!"

"Columbia Missouri : My bed trembled. I (am) about 120 miles northwest of Sullivan, MO."

"Jefferson City, Missouri : Felt the whole house and all the furniture shake here in Jefferson city!"

The quake was reportedly felt as far away as Illinois.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/st-louis-quake_2011-06-07

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« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2012, 03:54:33 pm »
One has to be curious what will happen December 21 2012.   Whether Nibiru will prove to be a spectacle or a cosmic near collision with gravimetric shearing. The idiot public being all consumed with sports, porn, shopping and money.  No wonder the Globocrats operate with such impunity.

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2012, 06:04:21 pm »
An old friend told me about these tunnels years ago, does history repeat, this is not the twilight zone, its true.

Derinkuyu Underground CityFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Derinkuyu Underground City is an ancient multi-level underground city of the Median Empire in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir Province, Turkey. With its five floors extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Turkey and is one of several underground complexes found across Cappadocia.

It was opened to visitors in 1969 and to date, about half of the underground city is accessible to tourists.

The underground city at Derinkuyu could be closed from the inside with large stone doors. The complex has a total of 13 floors. Each floor could be closed off separately.8th–7th centuries B.C according to the Turkish Department of Culture,[3] the underground city at Derinkuyu may have been enlarged in the Byzantine era.Inside Underground Tunnel Cappadocia, Turkey 112308 - YouTube► 9:29► 9:29www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4UKVyRMX0
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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #116 on: December 02, 2012, 06:38:23 pm »
An old friend told me about these tunnels years ago, does history repeat, this is not the twilight zone, its true.

Derinkuyu Underground CityFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Derinkuyu Underground City is an ancient multi-level underground city of the Median Empire in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir Province, Turkey. With its five floors extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Turkey and is one of several underground complexes found across Cappadocia.

It was opened to visitors in 1969 and to date, about half of the underground city is accessible to tourists.

The underground city at Derinkuyu could be closed from the inside with large stone doors. The complex has a total of 13 floors. Each floor could be closed off separately.8th–7th centuries B.C according to the Turkish Department of Culture,[3] the underground city at Derinkuyu may have been enlarged in the Byzantine era.Inside Underground Tunnel Cappadocia, Turkey 112308 - YouTube► 9:29► 9:29www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4UKVyRMX0
14/12/2008 - Vídeo enviado por froggy4378
Inside Underground Tunnel Cappadocia, Turkey. ... Watch Later Derinkuyu, Underground city, Ancient ...



Some of these places are beautiful.  this is Derinkuyu.



Eight Underground Cities

http://www.gadling.com/2012/03/02/eight-underground-cities/

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2013, 08:17:51 pm »
Underworld City of Caves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm2WyoT6lBE

Budapest
I wonder what they're NOT showing us?
They say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friends
Is anybody's guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girnJH7tvpM

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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #118 on: August 08, 2013, 08:29:12 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23518137
1 August 2013
Crossrail: Where is it in the list of 'big digs'?
By William Kremer
 
BBC World Service

The tunnelling for Crossrail, London's new east-west rail network, is now in its most intense phase - and the scale of the engineering challenge is as jaw-dropping as the cost is eye-watering.

The tourists and shoppers in Red Lion Street in central London can have little idea that 30m under their feet something is going on, although people in buildings with deep foundations may feel a curious tingle.

Two tunnel boring machines (TBMs), named Phyllis and Ada, are worming their way through the earth. Each one is the length of 14 London buses and weighs 1,000 tonnes.



Europe's largest current construction project is now halfway through, having absorbed over 25 million working hours and produced around eight miles of tunnels. Last year and this year the project supported the equivalent of 13,800 full-time jobs throughout the supply chain

When the project is completed in late 2019, the route will start in Maidenhead in Berkshire, stretch out a tentacle to Heathrow, then pass through central London before going on to Shenfield in Essex and Abbey Wood, near Greenwich. It will bring one and a half million people within a 45-minute travelling distance of central London.

The TBMs have tungsten carbide cutting tools on the face that cut away the ground, with the loose earth fed back down the machine on a conveyor belt. What happens to all that debris? Much of it - 4.5 million tonnes - will eventually form the new RSPB nature reserve of Wallasea Island.



Six of the most expensive tunnels

Thames Tunnel 1825-1843
Channel Tunnel 1988 - 1994
Jubilee Line extension 1993-1999
Boston's 'Big Dig' 1991-2006
The Gotthard Tunnel 2004-2016

The Yantai-Dalian Tunnel (proposed)

Blueprints exist for a 76.4-mile undersea tunnel linking the Chinese cities of Dalian and Yantai - over twice the length of the Channel Tunnel

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Subterranean London is riddled with Tube tunnels, secret passages, Roman ruins, high-voltage cables, long-forgotten aquifers and deep building foundations. The route squirms past these obstacles, passing just 1.5m over the Tube's Northern Line.
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Then there was the problem of bombs.

"It's estimated that there's about 17,000 tonnes of bombs that were dropped on London in WWII and the rule of thumb is about 10% failed to explode," says Simon Cooke from consultancy 6Alpha. While some bombs were removed, others were missed or even abandoned because they were too dangerous to deactivate
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After the tunnelling concludes, some of the tunnel boring machines, which each cost £10m, will be lifted out in pieces. But where there is no nearby shaft to the surface that can't happen.

"Then it's not cost effective to dismantle the machine underground and it's quite risky for the workforce to do that," says Andy Alder. "So in those cases we would look to bury the TBM and leave it underground forever - we strip out all the valuable components, but the basic shell of the machine we'll leave underground."
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Biggest digs

Thirlmere Aqueduct, England
1890-1925
 At 95 miles, some consider this the longest tunnel in the world - a set of tunnels and pipes carry water from the Lake District to Manchester
 

Hawks Nest Tunnel, West Virginia, US
1927-1932
 This three-mile tunnel, constructed as part of a hydroelectric project, possibly holds the record for most lives claimed during its construction - after mining silica without masks many workers died of silicosis - a congressional hearing placed the toll at 476, but it may have been higher
 

Seikan Tunnel, Japan
1964-1988
 This tunnel, linking the islands of Honshu and Hokkaido, is currently the world's deepest and longest railway tunnel at 240m below sea level and 33.5 miles long
 
The Williamson Tunnels, Liverpool, UK
Early 19th Century
 Joseph Williamson, an eccentric industrialist, employed gangs to dig tunnels through sandstone for decades - without any apparent purpose, these may be the world's most pointless tunnels, although some believe the project's aim was simply to give employment
 


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Re: Underground Bases and Tunnels links - Richard Sauder
« Reply #119 on: December 25, 2013, 11:02:09 pm »
VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihJti2aa-VA&feature=youtu.be
D.U.M.B.S. --- "Deep Underground Military Bases"
Some say that I've been Delphied I'm not sure what it means.  They say that I'm a victim of some much bigger scheme. Do you believe it?
http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp

Have you been Delphied?

Mass Hopenosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32uFsgFmeQ