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« on: November 19, 2007, 02:50:11 PM »

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/191107_zogby_poll.htm

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/191107_military_families.htm

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Wins_Nationwide_Zogby_Blind_Poll

http://ronpaulfan.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-paul-wins-nationwide-zogby-blind.html

http://www.care2.com/news/member/273215122/546033

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/

http://reddiggulo.us/Ron-Paul-Wins-Nationwide-Zogby-Blind-Poll.html

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=207509

http://blog.t1production.com/ron-paul-wins-nationwide-zogby-blind-poll

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/politics-current-affairs/131599-ron-paul-wins-latest-zogby-poll.html

http://rawstory.com/comments/40922.html

Candidate A is a 10-term US Congressman from a large Southern state who is an advocate for a smaller government and individual liberty. This candidate believes in strictly following the Constitution and has never voted to raise taxes. He has never voted in favor of the war in Iraq or the Patriot Act, and wants to bring troops home as soon as possible. As a former doctor, this candidate has delivered more than 4,000 babies. One of this candidate's goals is to return America to the gold standard, and he believes that the current monetary policy needs to be drastically overhauled because of the dollar's decline.

Candidate B is a former governor from a Democratic state in the Northeast. Before that, he was credited for essentially saving the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. He is a Mormon and family man who is considered a moderate-to-conservative member of the GOP. While Governor, he signed the first state laws in the nation requiring all citizens of this state to obtain health insurance. He is a strong supporter of keeping troops in Iraq although he has been critical of how the war has been handled.

Candidate C is a former two-term senator from a Southern state who was a long-time lobbyist before running for public office. He was chief Republican council for the Congressional committee that investigated Watergate in the early 1970s. He was an actor playing supporting roles in several major motion pictures before entering the Senate, and returned to a prominent role as a New York City prosecutor in a popular network television series after leaving office. He has mostly supported the war in Iraq, but has said he would have managed it differently.

Candidate D is a former two-term mayor of a major city in the Northeast, and is considered a moderate member of the party on social issues. As Mayor, he presided over a dramatic drop in crime in his city, and is best known for his leadership in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He established a worldwide security consulting business after leaving public office at the end of 2001 He has been a supporter of President Bush since leaving office and supports the war in Iraq.



32.8 per cent chose the description matching Ron Paul, while just 18.6 percent chose the description matching Rudy Giuliani. Just 12.6 per cent went for Fred Thompson's description while 15.1 per cent went for Mitt Romney.

The results clearly illustrate that the country is crying out for Ron Paul, which is why the establishment have launched a PR offensive to marginalize him in order to suppress the Congressman's name recognition.

The sample used for the poll had mainly never or rarely used websites popular with Ron Paul supporters, such as You Tube, MySpace and Facebook, showing that if Internet users who don't use land lines were more fairly represented, the numbers would be even more in favor of the Congressman.

In another poll question, the survey found that the majority of Americans are more likely to vote for a candidate who wants to begin an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Over 49% said they were more likely to vote for a candidate who would begin immediate withdrawal, compared to just under 41% who said they would vote for staying the course and around 10% who were not sure.

Zogby released the numbers to us this morning and have indicated that due to the level of interest in the poll, they will be issuing a press release tomorrow.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 03:11:45 PM »

I understand peoples fascination with Ron Paul, but I have not yet seen his concrete plans to fix the problems he addresses.  For example, the Federal Reserve.  He has stated numerous times its legality is in question.  I have not heard how he plans to fix it.  Eliminating the Federal Reserve is as far as he goes; unless I have totally missed the mark.  We cannot reinstate the gold standard, because there is too much paper in circulation.  There has to be a more comprehensive plan to really convince me that he is the "one."  Possibly making a "precious metal standard," or something along that train of thought. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 03:20:13 PM »

The NWO will now soon turn against religion because the religious empire (all organized political churches) no longer help the elites.

So what good are they?  The alliance of political-religious partnership is coming to its end.

Pat Roberson is losing his influence (as well as all political clergy/minister elites) according to what the Zogby poll showed.  How?

Paul was the undisputed champion with the major religions. Yet they (church leaders) do not support Paul.

Do you wonder why the churches of the world are becoming empty?





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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 03:20:25 PM »

I understand peoples fascination with Ron Paul, but I have not yet seen his concrete plans to fix the problems he addresses.  For example, the Federal Reserve.  He has stated numerous times its legality is in question.  I have not heard how he plans to fix it.  Eliminating the Federal Reserve is as far as he goes; unless I have totally missed the mark.  We cannot reinstate the gold standard, because there is too much paper in circulation.  There has to be a more comprehensive plan to really convince me that he is the "one."  Possibly making a "precious metal standard," or something along that train of thought. 

yeah you missed absolutely every mark imaginable.

Ron Paul actually is the only one that has any plan at all.

You can go to ronpaulibrary.com and look over his thousands of speeches and articles.  He has also written a best seller on this exact subject.  If you would like to read rather than rant you may find that this country and Ron Paul have a clear plan for bringing us out of depression and into serious surplus.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 03:28:23 PM »

Thanks for the link sane, but it does not work.  Just briefly overlooked his web page, and I just don't see a plan.  I find that he is the only candidate out there willng to touch relevant issues. 

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/


In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 03:33:35 PM »

Thanks for the link sane, but it does not work.  Just briefly overlooked his web page, and I just don't see a plan.  I find that he is the only candidate out there willng to touch relevant issues. 
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/ In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.” Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending. We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States.


http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=0
 The most popular documents on Taxes:
      1. Debt and Taxes Ron Paul 2008 Web site
      2. Taxes, Spending, and Debt are the Real Issues Ron Paul Newsletter, October 16, 2006
      3. Paul Named #1 Tax Cutter in Congress Ron Paul Press Release, April 26, 2006
      4. Taxing Ourselves to Death Ron Paul Newsletter, October 14, 2007
      5. Cough Up Ron Paul Newsletter, April 10, 2006
      6. End the Income Tax- Pass the Liberty Amendment Ron Paul Speech to Congress, January 30, 2003
      7. The Case Against the Income Tax Ron Paul Newsletter, May 7, 2001
      8. Liberty must be our goal Ron Paul Newsletter, May 4, 1998
      9. Paul Honored as "Taxpayers' Friend" for Tenth Consecutive Year Ron Paul Press Release, February 21, 2007

   79 other documents on Taxes:
      1. Ron Paul Cosponsors "The Family Farm, Small Business and Home Tax Relief Act"  Ron Paul Press Release, November 5, 2007
      2. Tax Reform Promises Treats, Delivers Tricks  Ron Paul Newsletter, November 4, 2007
      3. Congressman Paul Demands Tax Fairness for His State  Ron Paul Press Release, October 29, 2007
      4. Congressman Paul Cosponsors "Taxpayer Choice Act" Ron Paul Press Release, October 16, 2007
      5. Congressman Paul Introduces "The Tax Free Tips Act" Ron Paul Press Release, September 27, 2007
      6. Introducing the Tax Free Tips Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, September 25, 2007
      7. Statement on Introduction of the Cost of Government Awareness Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, September 19, 2007
      8. Congressman Ron Paul Cosponsors "The Right Start Child Care and Education Act" Ron Paul Press Release, September 12, 2007
      9. Congressman Ron Paul Cosponsors "The Mortgage Cancellation Relief Act" Ron Paul Press Release, September 6, 2007
      10. Introducing the Public Safety Tax Cut Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, August 1, 2007
      11. Rights of Taxpayers is Missing Element in Stem Cell Debate Ron Paul Newsletter, June 25, 2007
      12. Do Tax Cuts Cost the Government Money? Ron Paul Newsletter, October 23, 2006
      13. Your Taxes Subsidize China Ron Paul Newsletter, August 14, 2006
      14. The Threat of Rising Property Taxes Ron Paul Newsletter, August 7, 2006
      15. A New Declaration Ron Paul Newsletter, July 3, 2006
      16. Congress Rejects UN Taxes Ron Paul Newsletter, June 19, 2006
      17. Why Won't Congress Abolish the Estate Tax? Ron Paul Newsletter, June 12, 2006
      18. International Taxes? Ron Paul Newsletter, March 6, 2006
      19. Paul Honored as "Taxpayers' Friend" for Ninth Consecutive Year Ron Paul Press Release, March 1, 2006
      20. Paul Introduces Legislation to Help Rita Victims in Texas Ron Paul Press Release, November 15, 2005
      21. Will the Estate Tax ever be Repealed? Ron Paul Newsletter, October 24, 2005
      22. Who Opposes Simpler, Lower Taxes? Ron Paul Newsletter, October 17, 2005
      23. Paul Supports Gas Tax Relief Ron Paul Press Release, September 7, 2005
      24. Gas, Taxes, and Middle East Policy Ron Paul Newsletter, September 5, 2005
      25. Tax Reform is a Shell Game Ron Paul Newsletter, March 7, 2005
      26. Who Deserves a Tax Credit? Ron Paul Newsletter, June 16, 2003
      27. The False Tax Cut Debate Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 6, 2003
      28. The Phony Tax Cut Debate Ron Paul Newsletter, March 12, 2003
      29. Support the Presiden's Tax-Free Savings Plan Ron Paul Newsletter, February 10, 2003
      30. Government Policy and False Prosperity Ron Paul Newsletter, January 27, 2003
      31. Tax Cuts and Class Wars Ron Paul Newsletter, January 20, 2003
      32. Comment on HR 5095: Legislation Repealing the FSC/ETI Tax Rules Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 23, 2002
      33. Introduction of the Public Safety Tax Cut Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 25, 2002
      34. A Stay of Execution for the Death Tax Ron Paul Newsletter, June 17, 2002
      35. Bad Tax Policy Sends Companies Overseas Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 12, 2002
      36. Are Your Taxes Too Low? Ron Paul Newsletter, April 22, 2002
      37. UN Planting the Seeds for a Coming Global Tax Ron Paul Newsletter, March 25, 2002
      38. Legislation Needed to End the IRS Threat to Religious Freedom Ron Paul Newsletter, August 13, 2001
      39. Statement for the We The People Press Conference Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 17, 2001
      40. The Bush Tax Cut Ron Paul Newsletter, June 11, 2001
      41. Tax Day- A National Nightmare Ron Paul Newsletter, April 16, 2001
      42. Uncontrolled Spending Threatens Our Liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, April 2, 2001
      43. Bush Tax Plan Only One Piece of the Tax Cut Puzzle Ron Paul Newsletter, March 12, 2001
      44. RS Church Seizure is a Tragedy for Religious Liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, February 26, 2001
      45. Tax Cuts Benefit All Americans Ron Paul Newsletter, February 19, 2001
      46. A Legislative Agenda for 2001 Ron Paul Newsletter, January 1, 2001
      47. The Bush Administration Must Honor its Commitment to Smaller Government Ron Paul Newsletter, December 18, 2000
      48. Conference Report on HR 2615, Certified Development Company Program Improvements Act... Ron Paul Speech to Congress, October 26, 2000
      49. Real Tax Reform Still Needed for Texas Families Ron Paul Newsletter, October 16, 2000
      50. "Privatization" of Social Security Poses Risks Ron Paul Newsletter, October 2, 2000
      51. Spending, Tax Cuts, or Debt Reduction? The Surplus Belongs to the Taxpayers Ron Paul Newsletter, September 25, 2000
      52. Congress Must Work for Seniors Ron Paul Newsletter, September 18, 2000
      53. Local Control is the Key to Education Reform Ron Paul Newsletter, September 4, 2000
      54. Reforming Social Security to Protect Present and Future Senior Citizens Ron Paul Newsletter, August 28, 2000
      55. Help for Those with Terminal Illnesses Ron Paul Newsletter, August 21, 2000
      56. Long and Short Term Solutions to the Rising Cost of Prescription Drugs Ron Paul Newsletter, August 7, 2000
      57. Lower Taxes Encourage Saving for Retirement Ron Paul Newsletter, July 24, 2000
      58. High Taxes Cause High Gas Prices. Gas Tax Relief Will Benefit Consumers Immediately Ron Paul Newsletter, July 17, 2000
      59. Repeal of Un-American "Death Tax" Passes House Ron Paul Newsletter, June 12, 2000
      60. Helping Cancer Patients and the Terminally Ill is a Moral Imperative Ron Paul Newsletter, May 15, 2000
      61. The Agriculture Education Freedom Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 16, 2000
      62. The Year Ahead. Looking towards the 2nd Session of the 106th Congress Ron Paul Newsletter, January 3, 2000
      63. Cosponsored Bills. 106th Congress, 1st Session Ron Paul Newsletter, December 20, 1999
      64. Taking the Next Step. Building on This Year's Victories Ron Paul Newsletter, November 29, 1999
      65. Confused priorities. President vetoes tax cuts to spend more overseas Ron Paul Newsletter, October 4, 1999
      66. 'Say no to high taxes and spending' Ron Paul Newsletter, September 20, 1999
      67. Legalized theft. Corporate, international welfare steals from the working Ron Paul Newsletter, August 9, 1999
      68. Reducing the tax reduction. Taxpayers need a real break from cost of government Ron Paul Newsletter, July 26, 1999
      69. A new declaration: more liberty, fewer taxes Ron Paul Newsletter, July 5, 1999
      70. Phase-in of tax cuts make code more complex Ron Paul Newsletter, March 1, 1999
      71. Tax measure provides income averaging Ron Paul Newsletter, October 12, 1998
      72. Tax measure includes version of Paul legislation Ron Paul Newsletter, October 5, 1998
      73. Taxpayer cash flowing again to non-citizens Ron Paul Newsletter, August 24, 1998
      74. MSAs best option for better health care Ron Paul Newsletter, August 10, 1998
      75. Taxes and regulations will never lead to prosperity Ron Paul Newsletter, December 8, 1997
      76. Congress '97: more taxes, more spending, more big-government Ron Paul Newsletter, December 1, 1997
      77. IRS reform is big news, but "fast-track" bill attacks the Constitution Ron Paul Newsletter, November 3, 1997
      78. By Any Other Name, A Tax Is Still A Tax Ron Paul Newsletter, October 27, 1997
      79. Out-of-touch Congress needs to abolish IRS, not increase it Ron Paul Newsletter, September 22, 1997
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 03:43:07 PM »

A Foreign Policy of Freedom
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Publisher: Foundation for Rational Economics and Education Date: 2007 Author: Ron Paul
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Freedom Under Siege: The U.S. Constitution After 200 Years
Pages: 157 Publisher: Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, Inc. Date: 1987  Author: Ron Paul
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Mises and Austrian Economics: A personal view
Pages: 31 Publisher: The Ludwig von Mises Institute of Auburn University Date: 1984 Author: Ron Paul
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The Case for Gold: A Minority Report of the U.S. Gold Commission
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 04:05:19 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 10:42:38 AM »

I KNEW from the getgo, that far more important than the results of this poll, was going to be what we learned about the polling process through this excersise.  THANK YOU ALEX for funding this, I think it was an excellent use of the war chest, although personally, the second they started to add questions I didn't want, I would have withdrawn the money and gone with another agency, but I guess finding out how slimy they are was even more important.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 11:01:54 AM »

Digg buried the Zogby poll thread with 148 diggs.




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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 11:50:12 AM »

Heres the link to the Zogby poll article...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1391

Released: November 20, 2007

Zogby Poll: Giuliani Leads Among Republicans in Latest Blind Bio Survey

Survey pits resumes of former New York mayor against those of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompson

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, long the favorite in nationwide samples of likely Republican voters in the 2008 race for the party's presidential nomination, has the strongest resume of four top contenders, a new Zogby International survey shows.

The telephone survey, known as a “blind bio” poll because likely voters are given details of the candidates’ resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney. Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question.

Only those four candidates were included in the question, which was commissioned by Jones Productions, a media company based in Austin, Texas. The survey included 389 likely Republican primary or caucus voters and was conducted Nov. 14–17, 2007. It carries a margin of error of +/– 5.1 percentage points.

The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and independents, and Paul was the big winner among that universe of voters, winning 33%, compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.

The results of the of the likely Republican primary voters can be found here:
http://www.zogby.com/x-Zogby Special Jones Productions 11-20-2007.pdf

For a complete methodological statement, please visit:
http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1235

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 03:25:37 PM »

Zogby Spins Poll Results To Marginalize Ron Paul
Ignored Texas Congressman's domination of nearly every category to focus on single Giuliani success
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In their press release about the results of a new telephone poll, Zogby chose to marginalize Ron Paul by highlighting a demographic that was won by Rudy Giuliani, while largely ignoring the fact that the Texas Congressman completely dominated almost every other aspect of the poll. Under the headline Giuliani Leads Among Republicans in Latest Blind Bio Survey, the Zogby press release reads, "Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, long the favorite in nationwide samples of likely Republican voters in the 2008 race for the party's presidential nomination, has the strongest resume of four top contenders, a new Zogby International survey shows."  "The telephone survey, known as a “blind bio” poll because likely voters are given details of the candidates’ resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney. Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question." Only at the end of the article does the Zogby statement admit, "The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and independents, and Paul was the big winner among that universe of voters, winning 33%, compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson." Zogby's focus on Giuliani's success in one demographic is completely misleading and obfuscates the fact that Ron Paul won 90% of the categories in the survey. The fact that the headline of the press release trumpeted Giuliani, who distantly lags behind the Congressman in nearly all the key demographics, is a clear case of total spin.

Ron Paul dominated categories where the sample was both traditionally Republican and Democrat voters. Voters were asked which platform they favored - candidates A and D were Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani respectively, but they were not directly named.

Amongst born again Christians, Ron Paul polled at 29.6 per cent, with Giuliani garnering just 22.5 per cent.

Amongst people with military in their families, 33.3 per cent supported Paul's platform, with 18 per cent supporting Giuliani.

Amongst NASCAR fans, Ron Paul polled at 32.5 per cent, beating Giuliani's 28 per cent.

Amongst women, 34.7 per cent favored Paul's platform over Giuliani's 17 per cent.

Amongst African-Americans, Paul trounced Giuliani, 40.5 per cent to Giuliani's 9.1 per cent.

Ron Paul's sweep in all these categories and many more was clearly the biggest story to come out of this poll, yet Zogby chose to highlight Giuliani's rare success.

There is no doubt that Giuliani beats Paul on name recognition alone, but the fact that the Congressman is surging ahead and gaining momentum, while capturing the sentiment of the nation, was the biggest story to come out of this poll - but Zogby chose to stifle it - proving once again that the self-fulfilling media obsession with relentlessly focusing on establishment approved candidates while marginalizing others only upholds the status quo and hurts the democratic process.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 03:52:21 PM »

Woohoo. I'm glad  Alex sponsored a survey. It's important for Ron Paul's supporters to know thewhat the true extent of his support could be, unhindered by bogus polling questions.

It definately shows he has the best margin to win out of any of any republican candidate.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 10:30:39 PM »

I understand "Tomsliks" concerns I do however think that he as well as many others are missing the point here...as for me I don't care if Ron Paul is the biggest lame duck in U.S history just as long as he holds to his principals. Dr. Paul is not the man that is going to fix it all...He is rather the mold, the standard by which the American people will hold for those they elect in the future. The fact that we could elect "OUR" President is huge!!! If the Bankers can do it we sure as hell can...The millions that will join the process, read Constitution for the first time and cherish once again that which was nearly lost...are the point.

I have an unlimited faith in what the message of Liberty can do...As I see it now it is time that is the real enemy...Dr. Paul has made it clear that he wont run as anything but the Republican Party's nominee...It occurred to me when I saw Michael Moore talking to "WE ARE CHANGE" and Ron Paul was brought up, and Mr. Moore dismissed him because he "Had the wrong letter in front of his name" (R). I realized the real obstacle would be undoing all the damage the Bush legacy has done to the party. I think we should really double our efforts to see to it that he does get the nomination but also now is the time to decide what the next step will be? Liberty is a wild fire that cannot be contained but educating an electorate may take more time than can be pigeon holed into the Primary Process. I do believe that we should begin to identify who the other leaders are amongst us. Who will be a running mate?  What about cabinet posts? Is it too early to start talking about a "Write in" campaign? I don't have the answers but I would love to hear some ideas.

One more order of business...

Zogby has seriously dissed Dr. Paul and as I see it if they are cheating him they are cheating all the rest of us. Patriots do not stand for this!!! here is a link so you can let them know that you are <a href="http://www.zogby.com/contact/index.cfm">"AS MAD AS HELL AND THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY MORE"<a/>
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »

That is the target I was aiming for.  Yes, a vote for Ron Paul is the step in the correct direction; but I am sorry to say "one" president cannot fix all the problems.  After a careful reading of the Federalist Papers; I have come to the conclusion, that our problems can be corrected on a local level.  Congress and the Senate make the laws in this system.  That is where the focus of "constitutionalists" needs to be directed.  A concerted effort between the Executive and Legislative branch would be a fertilized garden for the fruits of freedom.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 02:43:45 PM »

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Zogby posted a press release and reports that “Giuliani Leads Among Republicans in Latest Blind Bio Survey in a survey pitting resumes of the former New York mayor against those of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompson.”

Extrapolating data from a relatively small demographic of ‘very conservative voters’, Giuliani wins with 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney. Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question, reported Zogby International.

Jones Productions, the sponsor of the survey, concludes that Zogby has spun the results of the poll conducted on November 14, 2007. Paul was the big winner with 32.8% in the general poll, but he did not win amongst this one subset of 389 respondents deeming themselves ‘very conservative’ out of 1009 total likely Republican primary voters polled. Zogby latched onto that one subset and announced that Giuliani won the poll even though Ron Paul won 90% of the categories in the survey.

At the end of the press release though, the real headline and winner is announced:

“The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and independents, and Paul was the big winner among that universe of voters, winning 33%, compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.”

The results of the survey can be found here

The poll data reflects that across the board, Ron Paul can beat Hillary Clinton, a feat that no other Republican contender can claim. He is overwhelmingly supported by 46% of Democrats when the vote is split, and 38% of moderates, both double digit leads. This goes to prove that Ron Paul is a uniter and not a divider as he garners support from all camps. Giuliani beats Paul on name recognition only, but Paul is surging ahead and gaining major momentum and this was the headline story of this poll. But Zogby chose to slant it Giuliani’s way and along with the majority of the MSM, continues its focus on establishment-approved candidates thus undermining the democratic process.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Zogby_Slants_Poll_Results_toward_Guiliani
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2007, 02:49:02 PM »

I found a short clip on this.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3c_1195673512
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2007, 04:01:36 PM »

When I read that Zogby poll press release -Smoke blows out my ears. You have to read 2/3 down the page to get the real truth and the f**king nerve of them to spin the poll based on a small subset just.......Aaaaarrghghghghg!
 
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2007, 06:44:44 PM »

I reddited that one, too.

http://reddit.com/info/61ao0/comments/
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