Experiencing some form of mind control - advice pls?

[Michal Ptacnik]

IF the people are truly mind controlled by a physical handler (a point on which I am willing to dispute, but let's say they are), won't V2k caps and other gadgets force the hand of the masters to simply eliminate the now-free subjects? I mean, you might be killing the poor people by giving them this advice, consider that it must take enormous resources to run such a program, they don't do it just for fun and just on anyone. The targets must be dangerous for some reason, or their enslavement must be otherwise important (a Monarch slave). As AJ says, "they don't play games," meaning that if you device some kind of clever way to get around their measure, they won't just say "OK, you win!" and move on.

I still believe, in accordance to what we experienced here, as a nation, during the communist regime, that 99% of such a mind control/harassment would just be a message saying: "Leave the country and stop bothering us." If you do just that, the harassment should stop. If it doesn't chances are you are not experiencing mind control from a physical source but something else, call it possession or delusion if you will; I'd rather go with the former, but if you are a complete rationalist, you could call it the latter.

I mean, the strategy should be "if they've selected you and if they can do these things, compliance is the only possibility," that's a no-brainer. Forgive me for saying so, but devising caps and stuff seems to me a bit like the strategy of a child who hopes that if he just stays in bed and closes his eyes, the bogeymen will go away.

[jeremystalked1]

I wouldn't go trying to name evil so much,.. but rather escape from it at this point. Perhaps try travelling if possible to another country or as far away as possible? If it were still targetting you at great distance you would either need to have perhaps a) implant b) tracking bugs everywhere & resonating/generating devices c) psychic inteference

Based on the observation that the 'interference' seems to follow targets nearly everywhere, there appears to have been a great deal of effort put into constructing this network.  That invested effort suggests extremely brutal intentions.

It could be satellites, a network of ground-based installations, UAV's, agents entrusted with devices, or any combination of these.

Of course there is another explanation, that the target really does have mental problems.  If you choose to believe this explanation then you can explain away almost every aspect of the target's experiences, except one: why do these "mental problems" go away when the target's head is protected with a thin layer of steel?

[jeremystalked1]

IF ... won't V2k caps and other gadgets force the hand of the masters to simply eliminate the now-free subjects?

It's a valid concern.  I'm particularly interested in the progress of the Monarch slave I've helped out, because she gets special attention even by TI standards.

However, what I see in the Western "soft dictatorships" (Ron Paul's terminology) is multiple layers of deception.  TI's are kept enslaved by the people around them, who are systematically deceived or enslaved through other methods (such as police informants, who are blackmailed with the threat of prison), and through technological methods such as this MC tech.  Once you block out the technology, there's very little they can do to you overtly.

This is a clandestine war against the civilian population in a country that has to pretend, for PR purposes, that it respects human rights.  When you bring it out into the open, the 'soldiers' scurry into the shadows.  And their unwitting accomplices help to cover up for them.  Just look at how much energy some people put into denying the existence of organized stalking and electronic harassment.  If they're getting paid or ordered to deny it, that's one thing... if they're denying it as a self-defense mechanism, that's pathetic coming from Prison Planet regulars.

[anonpp]

I believe the source of the problem is corporate due to the timing of the event and my positions on politics & society. If it were government, they'd have little reason for any 'official' interest in me.

Another update - As I awoke from a brief nap today (not really sleeping, more like rest) I was greeted by 'that failed' and 'what happened' from two male voices in a sarcastic overtone as I rose my head.

Due to what seems like an ability to follow my thoughts & actions, I've lost confidence that this simply electronic, satellite or otherwise.

I would like to see more reputable evidence regarding Russian technology during the cold war period.. if it exists. Obviously our 'Stargate' program was the biggest source of information for the civilian population state side regarding this kind of phenomenon.

[NinjaGaijin]

As said before, check out Montauk project or Montauk base .. theory that they are using HAARP like devices to amplify psychics...

[JIMI]

One of the things that Chartlotte Gerson makes clear in the Gerson Therapy tapes on google video is that
schizophrenia is caused by a person inability to process certain amino acids (i think it is) in meat, that do something like block certain receptors in the brain? And that when schizophrenics quit eating meat, their condition improves rapidly.

[flaming_red_pill]

I was reading the site linked to Jeremy's site, the one by the fellow who thinks his family is "braintapped" and engaging in "synchronized" attacks against him... after reading some of his experiences and thinking about it a couple of weeks, I truly believe that at least to an extent, he is indeed suffering true paranoia and delusions because of terribly strained relations with his family. They all seem a bit self-absorbed, yet he seems bothered by things that might not bother most people. For example, speech patterns and the instrusion of strangers -- are they really "attacks", or are they mere annoyances that to the victim of mental illness (or simply Narcissism and/or abuse/neglect/ASD/etc.) seem like attacks on his well-being or the "ideal" course of his life?

I cannot believe that all of these people who maintain these websites are truly under attack. I am not knocking you two posting here at all mind you, but specifically the one in the other blog, and hoping to warn against the mindset so many people adopt, that they are the only "relevant" or "real" person in their world (they have two conflicting concepts in their head that they have problems integrating I think, their "ideal" world or the ideas to which they are emotionally attached in the place of people, and the "real" or "outside' world, which they do not understand completely and don't feel comfortable in).

Please take this with a grain of salt as I am a know-nothing non-professional. However, having experienced a few episodes of chemical imbalance and fear myself, along with anger management issues (which can lead to Narcissism if left undealt with [read story of Cain lol]), I feel your pain and understand that some people must live in such frightening worlds, whether it's a construct of their own minds or the machinations of outsiders, human or not. These people have severe trust issues and difficulty forming relationships. They get caught in destructive cycles of bad diet, poor sleep, self-isolation, and anger/neglect toward others. Some of them start visualizing acts of violence. You have to keep in mind that in this fight we are in, the enemy, whoever it/he/they are, if we do not maintain our minds and bodies and make sure the people in our lives are nurtured and cared for, we have become a weapon on behalf of the enemy. It is so hard for people like that to keep away from the depressive state and it's heartbreaking to read how very broken they can be. I am a negative and self centered person in many situations, and looking back fairly, I realize that many of the times I suffered, there was something I *could* have done differently to better take care of myself and that much of the "persecution" was either imagined or invited. Kids really don't understand those concepts in time to avert harm unfortunately.

EDIT: George Orwell suffered from delusions of persecution in childhood and also delusions of grandeur, but because of his wild imagination, he was able to follow his reasoning to some very realistic ends in adulthood; i.e. Animal Farm/1984. However he identified only with tormented, negative archetypes due to his depression and never really came around to my knowledge. =(

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I am interested for sure in reading more about the Russian technology cited earlier... have been having a little trouble finding credible sources.

[NinjaGaijin]

the mark of cain is on many

[jeremystalked1]

I was reading the site linked to Jeremy's site, the one by the fellow who thinks his family is "braintapped" and engaging in "synchronized" attacks against him... after reading some of his experiences and thinking about it a couple of weeks, I truly believe that at least to an extent, he is indeed suffering true paranoia and delusions because of terribly strained relations with his family. They all seem a bit self-absorbed, yet he seems bothered by things that might not bother most people. For example, speech patterns and the instrusion of strangers -- are they really "attacks", or are they mere annoyances that to the victim of mental illness (or simply Narcissism and/or abuse/neglect/ASD/etc.) seem like attacks on his well-being or the "ideal" course of his life?

Psychological warfare is real, but some people are better geared to deal with it than others.  It seems to be a combination of intelligence and personality traits that helps you shrug it off.

If you doubt the effectiveness of psyops (psychological warfare), I have to ask you: why do they spend so much on mass psyops?

And then imagine that these sophisticated psyops campaigns are directed specifically at you, responding to your life events, actions, and even thoughts.  And sometimes the 'psychological' warfare involves precisely timed physical assaults or break-ins to your residence.

For most people, life is like that of a monkey, swinging from branch to branch in a forest.  You reach for the next branch without thinking about it, because your experience tells you it will be in the right place at the right time.  One effect of the organized stalking and EH is to move that branch out of the way.  The target's ability to predict the future is destroyed.  It is devastating for a lot of people.

When you experience this, you're under attack, and you know it.

But like I said... some of us are better at dealing with this than others.

[flaming_red_pill]

I'm really not good at dealing with it, I think I suppress it in fact.

In basic training some shyt happened that made me suspect something like this *could* have been going on, but if I was being targeted by administration it was very carefully hidden by the negative dynamics in the group I was assigned to, and could easily have been attributed to peer pressure and pre-existing conditions of abuse, etc. However, enough went wrong to make me think there was more to it than that. It could be that when it happens to me, it simply arouses an emotion rather than being interpreted in my brain as a verbalized thought. I suspect I could be on the AS and perhaps suffered symptoms of Asperger's in childhood and certainly in adulthood, although I lack a diagnosis, and have even worried about BP/BPD/Schizoaffective a few times, but again it's not really because of "voices" but because of "rage". They certainly could affect us all very differently, especially those of us who have differently developed neural pathways due to trauma/birth complications/etc.

I apologize if my post trivialized anyone's suffering. There is this bad thought in the back of my mind at times, that if I was being monitored or watched, they know by my genes and performance in school that I internalize enough that I might just knock myself out of action rather than requiring physical 'intervention'. If I had shared the thoughts I was experiencing in basic, they would have moved me to the medical observation flight. And everyone, nearly everyone literally, who had been at that base for any length of time, seemed terrified of medical flight. Dunno if they had those people on drugs or what; BMT is not a healthy place for people who have decided that they don't wanna be there. Some of the people who came out of there didn't seem adversely affected, but they were suffering things like sprains rather than mental breakdowns.

Those of you who have progressed to "real" harassment and stalking might be the ones who are in fact strongest mentally, and those like me who are still affected by simple authority structures and their accompanying dysfunctions are far easier and cheaper to control.

In my case, I think it was known by the mil that my family carries genes for addiction/anger management problems and perhaps even ASDs. I was subjected to greater sleep dep than the other people in my group (it was on paper too), denied medical treatment because of someone in my group, denied a partner for the entire duration of basic training (so I had no wingman, was going it alone while having a nervous breakdown -rofl), and was ridiculed for being Guard of course rather than AD but that shit happens to everyone.

Even now it looks more like bad luck or demonic influence (>@o@)>   to me than overt harassment, but it was a horrifically destabilizing event for me. However, there was enough positive (although very little) that I understood it was not all bad. The harder I tried, the better I did, when I could help it. The gals in charge were failures and peons were always having to step out and stand up for each other or themselves, total dysfunctional military model -- this was a female flight so look out.

[anonpp]

are they really "attacks", or are they mere annoyances that to the victim of mental illness (or simply Narcissism and/or abuse/neglect/ASD/etc.)

Unfortunately it doesn't help that after over 100 years of scientific advancement, we still understand very little about the human brain. Not only in reference to manipulation, but also disease.

Knowing more about it would help greatly to distinguish in this situation - a real 'mind control' even from a psychotic episode. Consequently, it would help with burden of proof tremendously.

Psychological warfare is real, but some people are better geared to deal with it than others.  It seems to be a combination of intelligence and personality traits that helps you shrug it off.

Thus far I've been able to shrug it off pretty well. I estimate this has been occurring outside of my awareness for about 2 years, and definitely within my awareness since August '09.

What really bothers me - that which I find hard to shrug off - is the massive potential for abuse. The misuse of modern technology against a population could make WWII atrocities look like nothing. And as I am being targeted I can't help but think about this technology being in the hands of virtually anyone who can afford it - major corporations, politicians, etc. At best it will make Alex's distopia a reality - legions of workers for corporations A B or C mentally enslaved to their jobs.

This is what I have a difficult time shrugging off, especially as it increasingly enters my daily life despite my personal efforts.

[anonpp]

It could be that when it happens to me, it simply arouses an emotion rather than being interpreted in my brain as a verbalized thought.

Interesting you should mention this - as it is what I believe was occurring to me before I became aware of it. Essentially if the message is subliminal/subconscious, your emotions would be affected without you actually becoming aware of it. This is definitely not a new technique - check out the Coca Cola movie commercial experiments in the 1960s. That was essentially subliminal emotional manipulation.

Those of you who have progressed to "real" harassment and stalking might be the ones who are in fact strongest mentally, and those like me who are still affected by simple authority structures and their accompanying dysfunctions are far easier and cheaper to control.

I've definitely found that by maintaining and improving my regular habits during all of this I am able to improve my 'stress tolerance'. Unfortunately, however, the 'authority structures' you mentioned are something we're all susceptible to, and why so many of us today are trapped in corporate dependency for our needs and incomes.

As far as mental health - really if you're stable, I think it's an aside.. anyone can be targeted. Having a health issue would just make them more susceptible, and perhaps harder to identify as being targeted.

[Quentin]

I was reading the site linked to Jeremy's site, the one by the fellow who thinks his family is "braintapped" and engaging in "synchronized" attacks against him... after reading some of his experiences and thinking about it a couple of weeks, I truly believe that at least to an extent, he is indeed suffering true paranoia and delusions because of terribly strained relations with his family. They all seem a bit self-absorbed, yet he seems bothered by things that might not bother most people. For example, speech patterns and the instrusion of strangers -- are they really "attacks", or are they mere annoyances that to the victim of mental illness (or simply Narcissism and/or abuse/neglect/ASD/etc.) seem like attacks on his well-being or the "ideal" course of his life?

I cannot believe that all of these people who maintain these websites are truly under attack. I am not knocking you two posting here at all mind you, but specifically the one in the other blog, and hoping to warn against the mindset so many people adopt, that they are the only "relevant" or "real" person in their world (they have two conflicting concepts in their head that they have problems integrating I think, their "ideal" world or the ideas to which they are emotionally attached in the place of people, and the "real" or "outside' world, which they do not understand completely and don't feel comfortable in).

Which blog are you talking about? I'll like to respond since I'm in a similar situation as a TI but it depends on the type of harassment and illness him/her is experiencing.

[jeremystalked1]

Which blog are you talking about? I'll like to respond since I'm in a similar situation as a TI but it depends on the type of harassment and illness him/her is experiencing.

I think he's talking about Mark Rich's tactics log on The Hidden Evil.  It's not really a blog (not open to comments) and Mark is, I think, swamped with email requests.

[anonpp]

Another update:

More of the same starting early AM lasting until rising for the day.

This time there were sounds definitely produced by a computer.

[flaming_red_pill]

Is it the weird beep that happens when speakers pick up a phone signal? At least I think that's what it is, it's like

doot doot
doot da doot
doot da doot
doot da doot
dooooooooot

And no I am not making fun, that's almost exactly what it sounds like and I've always been bothered by it. The worst two I have ever heard happened when a cell phone (I think) interacted with my car stereo, and also with a radio alarm clock in the house.

Anyone know why that happens?




What did yours sound like? Do you remember what kind of tone it was, if it sounded like something you were supposed to hear or not?

[Michal Ptacnik]

I also experience weird sounds, hearing conversations, etc. from time to time, most often when going asleep or waking up. And here, we 99.999999% don't have ANY MKULTRA, mind control projects, etc.

This, the voices, is normal, it is a hypnagogic state. If a person is not psychologically completely OK (not insane, but has issues, which almost everyone has), these issues will reflect in what he hears. I suspect that much of what is today called schysophrenia also stems from psychological issues which only become more apparent because of the changed brain chemistry, but if those would be dealt with, the sympthoms themselves would go away.

And, harsh as it may sound, this is also probably the cause of your problems with the "government." Unless you are someone special, someone worth the thousands of dollars to keep tabs on, chances are this is your own mind talking to you, trying to get your attention. The problem is the society itself is insane, it is basically a machine set on changing normal, sane kids into neurotic wretches. No telepathy required. I mean the messages that basically say the voices try to tell you that "you are nothing" are a dead giveaway. Occam's razor: How bizzarely minimal is the chance that *they* are on to get you specifically compared to the chance of this being your tortured soul (tortured by the insanity of every day life) trying to get your attention?

As someone with background in esotherics, I can fully understand (and even prefer it) when someone calls these problems "demons," "entities," etc. I believe that this label explains it better than "issues," but that it is, ultimately, the work of the mind, the emotions, and their interactions with the word, albeit a larger world than most of us imagine, as opposed to a harassment originating on this "plane of existence" or so to speak, and completely in someone divergent from us.

[flaming_red_pill]

In any case,

I sincerely hope that the condition improves!!! I feel terrible for people who feel targeted because sometimes it's so GD insidious. Hard to tell where self ends and environment begins, it is a product of stress in part. Our gov knows how to manipulate ppl who are stressed to the max. You are not the only sufferers and I pray that you will be delivered, whatever that means or takes.

Believe in your own dignity!!!!!!!!! You owe it to yourself, there is dignity and then there is false pride; they are very different -- one is outward and one is inward. You build it yourself! I am struggling to keep in mind that positive reinforcement can help a lot, and (please forgive me for any offense here) that there is promise in the deliverance of God. My personal problem is that I have failed to assimilate the positive aspects of faith into daily living (responsibility + courage), and therefore ended up in a worse mental condition than a non believer (fear/control).

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Please do not read this if you are offended by religion or afraid of it or resentful of the Bible.

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Matthew 12: 43-45~ “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.”


And I don't know if this is true or not, but here you go anyway (it's been featured in a few stories I've come across):

An old Cherokee Indian was speaking to his grandson:

“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil–he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is good — he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too.”

The grandson thought about it for a long minute, and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”

The old Cherokee replied simply, “The one you feed”.
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Here is a super long article written by Rabbi Arthur Waskow regarding fear, provision, deliverance, negative feelings in general and how best to respond to them! I am trying to put this to use; it is a great weapon if you believe in God/Jesus/positivism.

EDIT: Um I should mention it's about Cain. lol!

http://www.theshalomcenter.org/node/149

[jeremystalked1]

I feel terrible for people who feel targeted

"feel" targeted?  WTF?

And, harsh as it may sound, this is also probably the cause of your problems with the "government." Unless you are someone special, someone worth the thousands of dollars to keep tabs on, chances are this is your own mind talking to you, trying to get your attention.

Well, since you basically just implied that everyone (including me) who's been talking about this is imagining things, I think it's only fair to imply that you are trolling:

January 4th:
"... it is always safer to assume that it is a mental problem and trying to solve that. Most people have them, anyways, so it is beneficial regardless, plus you don't risk becoming paranoid."
translation: destroy your mind with drugs. either the original problem goes away, or now you have much bigger problems to worry about.  Issue dealt with!

January 15th:
"I believe it is possible to run. The Earth is not all-NWO and there are countries out there which are still not infected by the banker disease, and the planet is big enough for this to stay so even if "push comes to shove." It might be given some consideration, at least in case of those who have already been targeted."
translation: okay there might be something to this targeting thing, but you can run from it.

January 18th:
"Agreed, we need proof. Need as in be ready to invest dollars into this; or we're just playing."
translation: the enormous amounts of time targets put into trying to figure out what's happening to them isn't good enough.  we need proof, delivered on high from a Prison Planet-approved messiah.

February 2nd: "IF the people are truly mind controlled by a physical handler (a point on which I am willing to dispute, but let's say they are)...  99% of such a mind control/harassment would just be a message saying: "Leave the country and stop bothering us." If you do just that, the harassment should stop."
translation: never mind what jeremy and other targets are saying, you can run from this.  I just know you can based on my extensive experience with targeting!

[flaming_red_pill]

I was tired when I wrote that.

Besides whether or not a person is targeted he or she can benefit from positive thinking and self care..

Keep in mind that stalking or harassment can *cause* mental problems, I didn't elaborate which was dumb but wanted to put the spiritual aspect out there.

I am NOT into spiritual mapping. However in areas where there is high new agey activity and or satanism, I think it's possible that one could be targeted by one of those groups. I have little to no proof of that, but people haven't shared a ton of proof of physical harassment either; therefore neither threat can be completely eliminated.

I AM NOT CALLING ANYONE CRAZY OR SAYING YOU AREN'T A VICTIM!!! =( !!

<---- indiscreet

P.S. http://iautistic.com     lmao

[jeremystalked1]

Oh sure.  I get it.  A good attitude helps.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Well, since you basically just implied that everyone (including me) who's been talking about this is imagining things, I think it's only fair to imply that you are trolling:

January 4th:
"... it is always safer to assume that it is a mental problem and trying to solve that. Most people have them, anyways, so it is beneficial regardless, plus you don't risk becoming paranoid."
translation: destroy your mind with drugs. either the original problem goes away, or now you have much bigger problems to worry about.  Issue dealt with!

January 15th:
"I believe it is possible to run. The Earth is not all-NWO and there are countries out there which are still not infected by the banker disease, and the planet is big enough for this to stay so even if "push comes to shove." It might be given some consideration, at least in case of those who have already been targeted."
translation: okay there might be something to this targeting thing, but you can run from it.

January 18th:
"Agreed, we need proof. Need as in be ready to invest dollars into this; or we're just playing."
translation: the enormous amounts of time targets put into trying to figure out what's happening to them isn't good enough.  we need proof, delivered on high from a Prison Planet-approved messiah.

February 2nd: "IF the people are truly mind controlled by a physical handler (a point on which I am willing to dispute, but let's say they are)...  99% of such a mind control/harassment would just be a message saying: "Leave the country and stop bothering us." If you do just that, the harassment should stop."
translation: never mind what jeremy and other targets are saying, you can run from this.  I just know you can based on my extensive experience with targeting!

I am not implying that all of these people are imagining things, but 90% might be. "Mental illness" is just a sane reaction to an insane environment, and there is a lot of insanity around us, in this case, the insanity being the realization of your subconscious mind, tortured by the pain of everyday life (which is anything but normal) that you are just a "face in the crowd," a nobody. Feeling targeted by the mind control somehow justifies your place in the universe, makes you feel more important than just one of six billions, both by the very definition of this necessitating someone electing you personally as a "chosen enemy."

Occam's razor: There is a more probable possibility, and there are all indicators that his possibility might be the reality so what to believe?

It is a dangerous business to assume outside influence on your mind, it might lead to... to very powerful divorce from the mainstream view on reality and it's worst problem is that for this there is no inner solution, while really there should be one if it is internal, and indeed, only an internal solution can really help. I was reacting on the post saying that the voices tell the person that he is "useless." This is what a powerful inferiority complex would tell you, and it is solvable, but only if you use introspection and perhaps meditation and other practices, instead of attributing it authomaticaly to external influence.

In the end, it is up to every person, I am just trying to imply that it might not be a real mind control, that you really might not be targeted and there can be another solution than just assuming they are after you.

Jeremy: How do you think that they target people? What is their MO? How do they select them? And how many do you think they can target in total in the USA?

[Michal Ptacnik]

translation: destroy your mind with drugs. either the original problem goes away, or now you have much bigger problems to worry about.  Issue dealt with!

No. I realize what modern psychiatry is, that it is almost like a modern inquisition, protecting the society from the undesirables; however, at the same time, there are real mental problems, and they look a lot like what is being described here. People are intristically capable to solve these issues, but most are not ACTUALLY capable to do it themselves because they have been raped by the society and that is where the real "crime' has been commited. And it's no one's fault, and least of all theirs, but they pay for it.

I try to deal with the truth, but this is rapidly coming to the point where, to quote a musical here in Czech Republic "When the truth is worse than the lies, all you can want is to believe in dreams." I thus concede the point to you in this respect: For the majority of the people who feel being targeted, it is perhaps better to believe that they really are targeted, even though it is (I'd guess) not true in most cases. This gives you at least some foundation for self respect, that you do something worthwhile, that you are worthy enough to become a target, that you are not "wrong;" whereas if you are really not capable to self treat a mental problem, and since most psychiatry is nigh-useless, to believe that you are mentally ill can only cause depression and self-depreciation, and will hurt you more than living in a possible delusion.

I am not saying that there are not people who are in fact able to cope with mental problems, thus I'd said what I'd said in the first place, but this needs to be added: It's not everyone.

So if you feel that by putting a tinfoil hat on you are protected from the mental waves, by all means do it; live that paradigm, for it is much better than what the mainstream society gives you. It might not be exactly the truth, but the question at this point really is: WHAT THE HECK?!

translation: okay there might be something to this targeting thing, but you can run from it.

Yes. Some are really targeted (though I guess real harassment is done by the police, and by real people much more often then by supertechnology), and they better run, because they can not fight and thus must submit...

translation: never mind what jeremy and other targets are saying, you can run from this.  I just know you can based on my extensive experience with targeting!

...and from the experience my country has, and thus I have inherited, what they want is really for you to stop bothering them and leave, if they really are targeting you. So run. Most Americans are in a vacuum here and I guess don't understand the needs and wants of a totalitarian regime, whereas we who's parents lived in it, know all too well. It wants you gone, so be gone. You can't hurt it from a mental asylum anyways.

translation: the enormous amounts of time targets put into trying to figure out what's happening to them isn't good enough.  we need proof, delivered on high from a Prison Planet-approved messiah.

I am ready to take this on with you, Jeremy, but I need to see the chips in people's heads and I need to see testimonies that don't look like what your typical mental patient gives you. Don't you realize that being able to record those messages is the holy grail, yes, even worth a thousand counseling sessions and testimonies? Don't you realize that that way lies victory, while the other way there is only doubt and inaction, because no one is going to freaking believe anything these people say, and those who do had already preselected themselves so that they seem like radicals for the mainstream guy?

And it's the mainstream guy who really needs to listen to this...

[jeremystalked1]

Occam's razor is a fallacy, one that is used against Truthers, have we forgotten?  "It's so much simpler to assume everything works the way the authorities say it does.  Occam's razor says I'm right."

"Spend a billion (of someone else's money) to make a million" is an old, old game.  Governments obviously have an interest in eliminating troublemakers, and if there is a secret program to do so, there will be others ready to use the government's resources for personal gain.  It is the rationale for the wars in the Middle East, and it is the rationale for targeting.  It doesn't have to make economic sense for the government - have you noticed the deficit lately? - it just has to make economic sense for the actors.

I'm well-aware of the fact that the tactics used against targets are largely invisible, and are designed to mimic the signs of mental illness.  It's how this is kept hidden.  Just the reaction to it, in a forum filled with Reptilian enthusiasts and other delusional thinkers, should tell you how easy it is to keep this kind of program hidden.

And there are lots of targets who are invisible because they figured out a long time ago they couldn't complain about it without discrediting themselves.  I was invisible for four years, until late 2009.  I'm in touch with a woman who has been getting computer controlled visuals 24/7 which went away when she put on a steel cap.  Her husband knows about her problems but doesn't want to talk about them.

Like anon_pp, I see this as a huge, mostly invisible problem.  I take it for granted, as presumably he does, that this is being used on lots of people without their consent, and we're only allowed to see it along with other clandestine operations because it helps to cement the perception of us as mentally ill.

Running away doesn't solve it.  Do you think most of us haven't tried this already?  This problem followed me to Canada and Quebec.  A few others, most notably Anthony Brina, have been pursued all over the world.

Your use of the phrase "tinfoil hat" further cements my perception of you as a troll.  I've already discussed at length, here and elsewhere, why tinfoil hats can't work but steel hats can.

[anonpp]

More updates this morning.

Whilst lying awake, someone new I've never heard before and could not identify.

Also another symptom, once that's actually been occurring for a while. A flashing in one eye or the other - never both. This is not the ordinary flashing associated with the vitreous fluid or retina, but is instead a rapid, mechanical flashing. Almost like a strobe light, but obviously not very bright.

Overall the activity has decreased in recent weeks.

[NinjaGaijin]

Perhaps through exposure or mental/emotional work towards strength, you have experienced some kind of tolerance?

Or by finding out more and understanding about it, you are stronger in yourself and more able to block what's being directed or at least filter it out..

I think perhaps it would be psychicly possible to repel these if advanced enough in such skills.

I wish I could offer better advice.

[flaming_red_pill]

anonpp I wanted to apologize for any posts of mine that are discouraging etc.; I was thinking about all this in purely academic terms and not really in terms of the hurt people experience, didn't know they'd had you close to suicide etc., would not want anything like that on my conscience if discouraging words led folks to think no one supported them.

On another note, I did see a couple yahoo answers posts about the strobe effect in peripheral vision; it seemed to be people who were online a lot, but some weren't; a few of the answerers told them to go to an eye doctor, that it's a fairly known thing associated with a number of different problems including vitreous fluid changes and the like.

I myself have a ton of grey and black floaters and don't know if it's retinal damage or blood vessels burst, or a dietary change/dehydration, but do make sure you are getting some Vit D (sunshine) and Vit A. Don't let them put you off your food!!!

I read that some of the folks who have vision floaters and other disturbances often interpret them as "bugs" or "lines on the wall" when they are tired, sleep deprived, or stressed out.

If I had been experiencing the things you are, I'd be kind of freaked out too and would be looking for meaning in every detail no doubt.

Prayers!!

Here is some retina info

The vitreous is a gel-like fluid which fills most of the eye. As people age, this vitreous becomes more and more liquefied. The vitreous has loose attachments to the retina, and more firm attachments to the optic nerve. At some point in a person's life, the vitreous liquefies enough to shift position in the eye. When this occurs, usually between age 50 and 70, the back edge of the vitreous will pull forward away from the retina, leading to a "vitreous detachment". This is generally a normal process, although it may happen abnormally early in cases of high nearsightedness or trauma. As the vitreous detaches, it tugs on the retina. This is perceived as a flash of light, similar to a lightning flash in the corner of the vision. It may occur especially with eye movement, since the vitreous moves in the eye. Debris pulled off of the optic nerve and retina are then seen as floaters, suspended in the vitreous above the retina. Sometimes this is described as a cobweb, a net, a string, or a fly over the vision.

These symptoms usually resolve over a period of days to weeks, although some people will continue to see the floaters for a longer period of time. The important thing is to determine that the retina is healthy as the vitreous detaches. This requires a careful dilated examination of the retina to look for tears, or other areas which may be at risk for tearing. A retinal tear can then lead to retinal detachment, if not treated. Thus, people experiencing these symptoms should be examined by an ophthalmologist as soon as possible. (Note, only about 1 in 10,000 cases of vitreous detachment lead to retinal detachment, but it still is one of the most common causes of retinal detachment.)

Not that I am assuming that this is the only probable cause, just consider it!! I hope someone isn't doing it to keep you from sleeping... but apparently there are more people reporting strobing than one would think!

[anonpp]

Another update: After a brief hiatus activity has increased in the last several days. Similar as before, although more in line with my activities.

[anonpp]

This time is accompanied by brief images of people.

[anonpp]

More updates: In the last couple weeks more 'synthetic telepathy' has occurred along with what appear to be attempts at creating an 'alternate ego'. This has been done with a variety of sounds, visual effects, and minor body sensations.

Further there have been many incidents of short term memory 'wiping', which I assume is done by disrupting inter-cellular communication through high frequency radio waves. There have also been attempts to install 'thoughts' in short term memory during waking and more dream modification during sleep.

This has been accompanied by multiple themes of impending doom scenarios...

[phasma]

anonpp I wanted to apologize for any posts of mine that are discouraging etc.; I was thinking about all this in purely academic terms and not really in terms of the hurt people experience, didn't know they'd had you close to suicide etc., would not want anything like that on my conscience if discouraging words led folks to think no one supported them.

On another note, I did see a couple yahoo answers posts about the strobe effect in peripheral vision; it seemed to be people who were online a lot, but some weren't; a few of the answerers told them to go to an eye doctor, that it's a fairly known thing associated with a number of different problems including vitreous fluid changes and the like.

I myself have a ton of grey and black floaters and don't know if it's retinal damage or blood vessels burst, or a dietary change/dehydration, but do make sure you are getting some Vit D (sunshine) and Vit A. Don't let them put you off your food!!!

I read that some of the folks who have vision floaters and other disturbances often interpret them as "bugs" or "lines on the wall" when they are tired, sleep deprived, or stressed out.

If I had been experiencing the things you are, I'd be kind of freaked out too and would be looking for meaning in every detail no doubt.

Prayers!!

Here is some retina info

Not that I am assuming that this is the only probable cause, just consider it!! I hope someone isn't doing it to keep you from sleeping... but apparently there are more people reporting strobing than one would think!

Strobing is a common "migraine aura" - i get it sometimes - it is not always accompanied by a migraine headache.
Fluorescent lighting can also induce strobing - i get really bothered by this in super-market type places

I am a "vision scientist" by qualification - my phD was spent entirely researching the eye / and certain aspects of vision.
This info is sound - and there is an easy way to figure out if you are experiencing migraine aura - take a migraine medicine daily for a week or so - if the aura`s disappear - you have your answer - there are other neurological things that could trigger this too. Worth getting checked over?

[anonpp]

Yet another update:

After about 2 weeks silence, experienced new symptoms. Popping (which sounds more like knocking) in back of neck while attempting to sleep. Also noticed direct action on heart (increased bpm) and nervous system (stimulation) for the first time. Both symptoms start & stop instantaneously.

[anonpp]

New symptoms include obvious physical movements & sensations over certain areas of my body (which are absolutely intentional).

Remote neural monitoring doesn't seem to explain these. What else is possible?

[anonpp]

http://www.raven1.net/p09.htm

[citizenx]

anonnpp,

I am not questioning the ability of authorities to do some of the things on raven1.net, but according to your last few posts, it does seem you could have some physical probelems (not mental) that may require medical attention, regardless of their cause, such as the rapid heart beat.  Tachycardia, or rapid heart beat is a serious condition.  You should have it looked at by a physician you trust.

[jeremystalked1]

New symptoms include obvious physical movements & sensations over certain areas of my body (which are absolutely intentional).

Remote neural monitoring doesn't seem to explain these. What else is possible?

Do you mean your body is being induced to move?  That's remote neural manipulation.  You've already experienced augmented reality, do you think the effects of the technology are restricted to that?

Forced movement doesn't work so well on some (possibly many) TI's.  It's probably just a function of muscular development; the more stuff they have to control to make you do things, the harder it is for them.  Weightlifter/martial artist TI's seem to be basically immune to forced movement.

But there's 'annoyances' that seem to work on everyone; a brief spasm as you're lying in bed is a very common one.

[anonpp]

Updates: Dream induction (nearly constant harassment while sleeping), emotional manipulation (creating false scenarios).

Since the source of this problem is relatively new (corporate), looking for the best place to report (for generating awareness).

[Deca]

I have/do experience simliar , I know this sounds silly but try to stay calm , they are trying to get you into a panic /distress state , you are easily manipulated (don`t think strieght when acting out of fear/panic ) plus you are more likly to publicly adversly react , as others around you are not victim or sense what you do or through igorance of this will natural assume from preconcieved ideas its you acting abnormal /parnoid.

also try to change your thoughts, change your enviorment...put relaxing music, something to distract you and geting you focused on the 5 sense world around you.
also I like niping or touching my self to stimlate my on nervisus system....don`t laugh playing music and danceing bare foot....(most sestive (nerve endinds in your feet) if out and about wiggleing your toes is good and if your waring shoes unnoticable works well .

also having a bath with bath salts or shower

when they did this while I was in bed trying to sleep ....I used to tap my shoulder found this relaxing and conected me to my body again...

this is a neat free program that might mask out the sythtic telepathy ....i hate the white noise more...that the speech...this is a handy program and is easy to use plus its always in your icon tray on only a mouse click away


http://biblprog.org.ua/en/aire_freshener/

Aire Freshener is a combined nature sounds player, CD player, and MIDI wind chimes player. The program can play a selection of relaxing ambient sounds including a forest stream, thunderstorm, fireplace and beach. Aire Freshener has real recorded audio that loops seamlessly. It has many different soothing environments to choose from, waves at beaches to Crackling Fireplaces to Wind Chimes.

The program runs as a convenient icon in the System Tray area of the Windows taskbar, and lets you choose from several tray icon animations.
Features of Aire Freshener:

- Ambient environment sounds for continuous sound submersion into your favorite audio environments.
- Plug-in architecture for unlimited new environments.
- "Quote of the Day" function.
- Large library of lush, high quality, stereo environments.
- Built-in scheduler to have your environments, CD music, and chimes start, stop, or change any time you wish.

also they realy know how to exploit your fear,daubt and igorance I sure they use our own mind and beliefs to bugger us up.

[Deca]

I have just bought a bed side cd clock alarm radio and an underpillow speaker and going to play relax music and hemisynic stuff while I fall a sleep.

I hate bed time


http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=usb&ModuleNo=28861&C=SO&U=Strat15

Product Features

    * A substantial pillow speaker with heavy duty cable
    * Simply slips under your pillow to allow you to listen in privacy and comfort to any radio, CD or cassette player etc that has a 3.5mm headphone socket
    * Sufferers of tinnitus have also found relief using a pillow speaker connected to a radio tuned off station
    * Diameter: 85mm / Length of cable: 1.8m

A substantial pillow speaker with heavy duty cable. The deluxe pillow speaker simply slips under your pillow to allow you to listen in privacy and comfort to any radio, CD or cassette player, etc., that has a 3.5mm headphone socket. Many sufferers of tinnitus have also found relief using a pillow speaker connected to a radio tuned off station. The deluxe pillow speaker has a diameter of 85mm and has approximately 1.8m of cable terminated in a standard 3.5mm mono jack plug.

[anonpp]

Thankyou for the d/l link.

I've tried white noise, nature sounds, more, but their technology (supercomputers) merges the auditory harassment with what I am listening to, making it far less effective.

There needs to be a significant awareness campaign surrounding this technology. It is extremely dangerous.