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What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« on: December 30, 2009, 03:06:57 pm »
I have read other people's horror stories of experiences with both Child Protective Services and Adult Protective Services and now I have the beginnings of my own nightmare.  CPS is no doubt the worst of the two.  However, APS is the creepiest I have ever had to deal with myself.   It started with a phone call from my ex-girlfriend whom I have shared a house with for 10 years to APS about my mother who also lives here.   I have told her previously about the horrors of CPS, the pedophiles, etc, and about the how APS can take control of an elder's assets and literally steal their money.  I am not whining about a treacherous backstabbing girlfriend, although this is a new level of betrayal in my life experience, it just complicates the situation to have someone who was trusted with personal information helping an already corrupt government agency to violate our privacy and almost every other aspect of life.  I read some other stories about how these creepy parasites will not go away once they get their slimy hands on a target.  I can understand checking on a reported neglect or abuse but after they see there is no abuse and no neglect they stay and start telling you what to do.  "Your mother's house is cluttered"  Okay well maybe she likes it that way or maybe not but it sure as flipping hell is none of your flipping business!!  It is so creepy to have some stranger calling and asking how is my mother doing.  She's alright, how is your mom?  I'll be coming by to check on her, okay?  Then this slimy parasite says he is coming by later that day to check on the cleanup progress...????  HE TELLS ME!!  2 days ago he calls , I did not answer, he left 2 messages in the late afternoon.  The next morning he shows up with 2 cops and a psychologist to test my mother.  Fortunately, I saw them and met them at the locked gate, otherwise, they will go past me and walk right into my mother's house.  THey started threatening me with breaking down the gate so I open it to let him in and the cops grab me and prevent me from observing whatever they did.  Of course they went in the house and snooped around....they took about 45 minutes and they did not tell me anything.  My mother cannot remember any details so I will never know what they did. For all I know, the were stealing stuff.  It was such an outrageous violation of our space, our lives, our DAY!  At the very least, I had better things to do than stand in my driveway while this creep pokes his nose around my mother's house.  When they finally leave, I ask if they are done and he snugly replies, "for now".  And that's it. 

I know they have no authority to do any of this, but so long as the police THINK he does, he can pull this Nazi home inspection and interrogation again.  At the very least I hope to have a video camera setup because he will no doubt come by when I am not here.  How can I get my mother to refuse to let him in?/  She doesn't like him either but she will give in with a little pressure.  It is SO goddam disgusting what these creatures do...and they like their "authority" and obviously feel so righteous...socialist scum sucking parasites !!  I can imagine other intrusive things could still happen.  How does a "service" become an "authorty"?  I think Alan Watt has said this many times about government agencies that start as "services" and morph into "authorities".  They sure as hell do not offer any help.  All they do is tell you what to do. 

I don't know if I should tryu calling them and just telling them I do not want their "help" or if I should leave them alone and hope they leave me/us alone.  If I call them they might get even more excited and who knows what they might do.  I have already had thoughts of taking my mother somewhere else but then they will probably demand I hand her over like a fugitive.  If I lock her doors, they will turn that into something....goddammit this is infuriating. I can easily understand people "losing it". 

Anyone with experience or information dealing with these parasite scum nazis, I would welcome any advice.

Thank you for reading my ranting

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 03:14:10 pm »
I don't know what to say but you should not have caved at the gate.A lawyer maybe? Is your mother sick,disabled?I do sympathize and it is chilling that this can happen ,APS is creepy.

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 03:36:15 pm »
your best bet is to find a place to take your mother, next time they call be ready to bug out. record the phone conversation, contact a lawyer, video tape everything. remember your rights. you do not have to answer any questions, and you sure as hell do not have to let them in without a warrant. calmly let them know that breaking in to your property is a violation of your rights, and you will press charges. get names and badge numbers from all of the cops, and aps agents.
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 03:56:36 pm »
Once they've opened up an 'investigation' of alleged elder abuse the APS nazis will be able to disrupt your life at will, under the pretense of protecting the elder allegedly being abused.  If they have ulterior motives (which they almost always do) then they will continue harassing you no matter what.

You may have been targeted.  This might be the early stages of a smear campaign which will destroy your life.  I can't overemphasize what a world of s--t you are in for, if you have been targeted.  (My web site goes into this, I don't expect you to believe everything I have to say, but if the smear campaign takes hold and suddenly everyone on earth seems to be after you, remember my site.)  

Alternatively, this might be a case of APS nazis showing their bias; in their eyes, your word can't be trusted because you're the abuser.  Everything they see is confirmation of a cover-up.

So I hate to sound Machiavellian, but you have to put all other issues aside and start thinking about how this might be the early stages of a campaign to destroy you, or how it might spiral into that.  Your mother sacrificed years of her life for you, you shouldn't let that sacrifice be wasted; she wants you to survive and thrive.

Can you see the broad outlines of a smear campaign, and is there anything you can do to alter your public image.  Who is spreading rumors about you.  Who are they talking to.  Are you keeping careful records of your care of your mother.  (Do NOT let those records out of your grasp.)  Watch out for set-ups.

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 04:29:49 pm »
]Alex Stratus

The following is about CPS, aka The Same.  It is an example of how to handle it.  You have to be strong and realize your Rights.  If you need support, it is a CPS Group, but we do understand.  It is Yahoo Group fosterparentallegations.  We are *all* parents & looks like kids dealing with APS...   We have many resources put together & you will at least get an idea of how they operate & therefore be prepared to handle their tricks properly.

Please know that abuse of anykind is against the law.  If you let them, you could wind up in jail..  This is extremely serious.

btw.. Sounds like you are better off without your psychopath ex-girlfriend.  The following is my response to a post in our group


This is a fine example of how to handle it from the get-go.  The mother did the right things and so did the kids.  They simply did not cooperate with their persecution plan.
 
This is a good article for people to read who are newly falsely-accused.
 
Hurrah for Judge Ruiz!   If Judge Ruiz's address can be made known, I'll send her a letter of support in her fine decision.
 
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In a decision posted yesterday, Kings County Family Court Judge, Jeanette Ruiz, refused to grant the Administration for Children's services permission to enter the home of J. Smith. Children's Services had applied for a pre-petition ex-parte court order as part of an ongoing investigation which began when someone anonymously called the State Central Register hotline on J. Smith in July of 2009.

     The hotline report expressed concern about domestic violence in the home and alleged that the father had beat the mother to the point she needed stitches and had done so in the presence of the children. On various visits to the home, the Child Protective Services worker purportedly was denied entrance and when the mother and children did eventually meet with the CPS worker, the mother refused to give her any personal information. Furthermore, when the CPS worker visited the children at their summer camp, the children refused to cooperate with her.

     Following that the Smiths refused to return any phone calls from the CPS worker, acknowledge any of her letters or notes, and did not show up to a Child Safety Conference that the CPS worker set up for September 4, 2009
Quoting from the relevant portion of Family Court Law, Judge Ruiz laid out the grounds for New York City's Children Services to seek a court order to enter a family's home.
"Before a petition is filed and where there is probable cause to believe that an abused or neglected child may be found on the premises, child protective services may seek a court order based upon:

(1)a report of suspected abuse or maltreatment under title six of the social services law as well as any additional information that a child protective investigator has learned in the investigation; and

(2)the fact that the investigator has been denied access to the home of the child or children in order to evaluate the home environment ; and

(3)the fact that the investigator has advised the parent or other person legally responsible for the child or children that, when denied access to the home environment, the child protective investigator may consider seeking an immediate court order to gain access to the home environment without further notice to the parent or other person legally responsible. "
Judge Ruiz said that the Administration for Children's Services had met the three criteria, however, she as the judge had to consider numerous factors in order to issue the order. Quoting again from Family Court Law, she stated:
"In determining if such order shall be made, the court shall consider all relevant information, including but not limited to:

(1) the nature and seriousness of the allegations made in the report;

(2) the age and vulnerability of the child or children;

(3) the potential harm to the child or children if a full investigation in not completed;

(4) the relationship of the source of the report to the family, including the source's ability to observe that which has been alleged; and

(5) the child protective or criminal history, if any, of the family and any other relevant information that the investigator has already obtained."
Following an analysis of the information included in the petition and gained from her inquiries, Judge Ruiz declared that the Administration for Family Services failed to meet the standard of probable cause in requesting entry into the family's home.
In buttressing her decision, Judge Ruiz declared:
"No objective basis has been presented to the Court to show the CPS worker's investigation cannot be completed because she needs to examine the home environment in order to make an adequate determination that the children are safe. Instead, on multiple occasions the CPS worker confirmed that the children were appropriately groomed and dressed and appeared well. They were attending summer camp and attending school with no reports or concerns raised by any of the mandated reporters who interacted with the children on an almost daily basis and who the CPS worker spoke to during the course of her investigation.
Moreover, the family's refusal to permit the CPS worker into the home cannot be the sole basis for an order of entry into the home. The intent of the amendments to FCA 1034 as well as the plain language of the statute is to provide child protective investigators the tools they need to complete investigations where there is reason to believe a child's life or health is in immediate danger, or where probable cause exists that a neglected or abused child may be found in the home and an assessment of the home environment is necessary to make an adequate determination that the child is safe. Here, petitioner's application does not involve children who have not been seen or located, or where there is any reason to believe their life of health are in immediate danger, or any reason offered for the necessity to assess the home environment to determine their safety."
Finally, Judge Ruiz declared that the petition was overly broad in asking to enter the house between 6:00am and 9:00pm and contravened the requirements of the law.
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NYC Family Court judge denies Child Protective Services permission to enter hotline subject's home
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 08:56:23 pm »
First of all, you gave them all of the authority when you let them in the gate. Why did you volunteer that? Let them break down the gate. If they have legal authority to do so, they will and there is nothing you can do. If they don't (which they know they don't, they pulled a fast one on you), they'll back off.

It's very simple. Stand away from the gate with your hands in plain site and say

"I do not speak to police officers who do not have a warrant. I am a peaceful man. If you need to break down the gate, I will stand back and not resist. If you do not have a warrant please leave me home".

Simple. End of story. Don't answer the door for them. They have every right to knock on anyones door they want. That's where their rights end and yours begin. Simply, DO NOT TALK TO THEM.

and a camera recording everything doesn't hurt either  8)

I know I know  I have the whole confrontation at the gate from the moment I opened it on video (Gigapen...thanks AJ) I got some video cameras to put in my mother's house to see if these creeps are coming in her house when I am away.   I heard that as soon as they get into a home they then have jurisdiction but I think it is only in their minds.  I was tricked.. I opened the gate to let the one guy in and the cops told me to come out. when I started backing up they grabbed me. I have it all on video.  I agree I should have held my ground.  They have already come by (LAPD) and verified that there was no crime.  That time they got into my mother's house before I knew they were here.  But they were satisfied that there was no crime.  At that point there was certainly no immediate danger that would require a forced entry.  Since the first allegation of abuse is unsubstantiated or disproved, they can't keep coming back and saying they have probable cause.

The complication here is that if I leave the house even with the gate locked, someone else can let them into the backyard.  The psychopath ex-girlfriend is usually home and happy to let them thru. So I have to get my mother to refuse to talk to them and obviously not to open the door.  If I had money I could 1) get a good lawyer and/or  2) move and/or 3) hire private security and/or 4) hire a hit man.

But I don't have good cash flow so I have to do what I can myself.  I did successfully shut down attacks from the psycho ex with a letter ,,,a "Notice" stating my boundaries which included no further verbal exchanges and any other harassment would all be "documented."  I did not explain that and I think that was enough.  I am now in the habit of carrying a "pen " on my shirt at all times.  

Right now today I am trying to get a video camera set up in my mother's house.  I have more cameras than I can use and I was thinking of just mounting a couple in plain sight.  But I still want some real ones not in sight so they will do what they want to hide right in front of the real hidden cameras.  

I don't think that this is an organized smear campaign however, the psycho-ex has hardly left anything un told to the cops.  So much so that the cops were telling me about it and laughing.   Laughing WITH me.  "He's got a gun"..."He's got a machete"  And to really show just how stupid the psycho-ex is, despite her having a PhD in Chemistry and being an attorney (Calif St. BAR)  they/she tells the cops that the cops in NY city are much better.  And they did not say that to them as they were leaving (without arresting me, which was their expectation). This happened soon after they (the cops) got here but did not drag me off .   I mean how can you expect a cop to listen to you after you insult them like that?    

The scariest thing about all this is how stupid people can be so dangerous.  Even though they insulted the cops, etc. if they had kept their lies straight between them and did not change their story, the cops would have arrested me.  THAT is the primary reason I got a Digapen.  I was alone against 3 psychopaths with an agenda.  Fortunately, 2 of them (the psycho-ex's son and (I think it was female) "girl friend) have gone away.  The story is so pathetic I am embarrassed to talk about it because I have been with this psycho biatch for ten years.  I have been living at the opposite end of the house for about 6 or 7 years but still, I had no idea just how bad it is.  She is not a human being as I believe people typically are.  She is a psychopath and she does imitate real human emotions but they are shallow and transient.  

Anyway, I thank you all for your help.  I definitely will not cave in again, but I still have to figure a way to keep them out of my mother's house.  I agree with what some have said, these "protective" predators are relentless and they twist anything into signs of abuse.  

I have warned her (psycho bitch) many times that she ought to be more polite and should mellow out and work things out peacefully, but she will have none of that.  She thinks she can't be touched, but she has a lot to lose and she has done some things that could hurt her should the appropriate government agency be alerted.  For someone who gets several million dollars a year in government grants for research, you'd think she would not have  illegal aliens working for her at home.  Tax fraud, hiring illegals, and other crimes, are frowned upon I believe by the government, officially anyway.   I despise people who hire illegals, esp when they know how it collectively is doing tremendous damage to the American people.  I think she is a socialist, too.  It probably goes together..psychopathy and socialism.
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2009, 03:00:03 pm »
Get a lawyer.

Start suing people.

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 01:16:30 pm »
Get a lawyer.

Start suing people.

I would except that they usually do not work free or even for cheap.  I cannot buy the "justice" so I have to work for it myself.  To get a lawyer to take it on a contingency basis, it must at least appear to have a potential monetary payoff aka "settlement".  Maybe I have missed something that would get the interest of a lawyer.  I think most lawyers would rather stay away from issues involving the "state".  I have been reading about civil harassment retraining orders.  They (APS) may respond by sending another "agent".  I do not know if a restraining order can be used against a "service".  And since when are services provided at the barrel of a gun?
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 01:28:46 pm »
Make sure you set up dummy cameras too, but make sure you have some hidden.  Never let your guard down, these bastards are evil!!

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 02:36:26 pm »
For staters, I'd start editing all referecnes to hit men out of your repertoire. Might be bad if it ended up in the wrong hands dude. You have to act and play smarter than that. DO NOT give them ammunition, they make up enough on their own. And keep this in mind, every time they get in your house, it potentially gives them more info for a search warrant should you force their hand. Keep that to a minimum, and get that ex out of the house. She is your leak point  until you know otherwise.
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 04:53:49 pm »
Find that f**ker in a dark alley and do what comes naturally to you!

As a former cop, I have never advocated violence...But, our liberties have been trampled and all these scum recognize any more is just that.


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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 05:46:27 pm »
Unless of course he can find a MOD with a kind heart to edit it for him. WHICH shouldnt be a problem since as a whole, none of us should truly be advocating violence on this board.

Find that f**ker in a dark alley and do what comes naturally to you!

As a former cop, I have never advocated violence...But, our liberties have been trampled and all these scum recognize any more is just that.


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*EDIT: Unfortunately for you, you have already mentioned committing violence against that shit head so now if anything happens, they have evidence to convict.
The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 10:53:48 am »
Find that f**ker in a dark alley and do what comes naturally to you!

As a former cop, I have never advocated violence...But, our liberties have been trampled and all these scum recognize any more is just that.


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*EDIT: Unfortunately for you, you have already mentioned committing violence against that shit head so now if anything happens, they have evidence to convict.

I don't see where I threatened violence against anyone. Now if you are referering to my statement regarding "provifding a service at the barrel of a gun", that is what HE did.  He (the APS guy) brought police to my house to force ME to accept his "service: at the barrel of the cops guns.  For more information about this search for "marc Stevens shortest political quiz" which asks the question :Should a service or product be provided at the barrel of a gun?" 

If there was some other way that appeared to be a threat of violence, please point it out to me.  As for the suggestion involving an alley, no...that's not what I want at all.  The most aggressive thing I might consider would be to do a "citizen's arrest" of a trespasser on my property.  I have looked into that and it is a very tricky thing to do.  It could become an assault charge if physical restraint is used.  I thought that if they show up again with police I might just call the police myself.  I have also considered a restraining order of some kind, but getting the "state" to issue a restrainer against an employee of the "state" seems unlikely.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 11:00:21 am »
Unless of course he can find a MOD with a kind heart to edit it for him. WHICH shouldnt be a problem since as a whole, none of us should truly be advocating violence on this board.

  WTF are you talking about?  I did not advocate violence in any shape or form.  However, some of the replies DO and yet they are not removed.  Please quote the post containing a reference to violence against anybody if there is one.

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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2010, 11:04:42 am »
For staters, I'd start editing all referecnes to hit men out of your repertoire. Might be bad if it ended up in the wrong hands dude. You have to act and play smarter than that. DO NOT give them ammunition, they make up enough on their own. And keep this in mind, every time they get in your house, it potentially gives them more info for a search warrant should you force their hand. Keep that to a minimum, and get that ex out of the house. She is your leak point  until you know otherwise.

Where is there a reference to "hit men"? I can't find it. Please show me where I said anything about "hit men".
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 11:05:27 am »
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2010, 11:42:47 am »
 WTF are you talking about?  I did not advocate violence in any shape or form.  However, some of the replies DO and yet they are not removed.  Please quote the post containing a reference to violence against anybody if there is one.

Where is there a reference to "hit men"? I can't find it. Please show me where I said anything about "hit men".

Here it is buddy in your second post of this thread.

If I had money I could 1) get a good lawyer and/or  2) move and/or 3) hire private security and/or 4) hire a hit man.

But I don't have good cash flow so I have to do what I can myself.

There you go! I know it is easier to get on the board and attack those who offered advice once you're sober rather than go back and read your own drunken ramblings.

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2010, 11:52:36 am »
It does make one wonder if he is his own worst enemy when one reads things like that, and his methodology of talking to us as though we have no idea what we are talking about.
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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2010, 12:38:38 pm »
It does make one wonder if he is his own worst enemy when one reads things like that, and his methodology of talking to us as though we have no idea what we are talking about.

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2010, 02:48:59 am »
Here it is buddy in your second post of this thread.

There you go! I know it is easier to get on the board and attack those who offered advice once you're sober rather than go back and read your own drunken ramblings.

I stand corrected.  However, I must say in my defense that I did use ctrl+F to search the page and did not find :"hit man".  Yes I am to busy err lazy to read when the search did not find the word. My mistake i probably should have tried variations e.g. "hit men" "hit man" "hitmen" etc.  I thought is was obvious I was joking.  I was sincerely asking for advice and got some good feedback.  This hit man tangent has taken up more space than the useful answers. not to mention the time ...ooops  I mentioned it...  A simple "be careful about making references to violence even when joking"  would have been more productive.     And now that this page has the word "hit man" at least a dozen times, it will be filtered out faster and get more attention.  

You must have spare time (what is that?) available for fun projects like the artwork in the post above this one.  You guys all work together?  In fact , you could all be one person practically....joined  about the same time...about the same average rates of posts...unknown ages & locations...  Forgive me if Iam wrong...maybe I have you confused with someone else...and I am not going to check again.    

"...but it was funny  though huh?"

Note to self:  don't use the prisonplanet forum to test new jokes,old jokes, bad jokes or old folks ... they do not have any sense of humor....and who could blame them.  

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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2010, 08:28:12 am »
The chump who cant get HIS life straight is calling us paid COINTELPRO...super.... So tell me, do you often bite the hand that gives you advice??????


Look here guy, and this is good sound advice from a former law enforcement professional. Even JOKING about hiring a hitman is a no no. Especially on a site like this that is heavily searched by actual COINTELPRO personnel. Those very same personnel would not take the time to help you with your family problem, no, they would more than likely forward your supposed drunken joke to their superiors. Furthermore, that kind of joking is like suggesting we should take up an armed revolt. It makes the people of this website look dangerous, out of control, and needing a 'firm hand' from the gubment types to step in and make us stop being so willful. So we are simply asking you in the friendliest ways possible to not draw that kind of attention on yourself, or us. We do have senses of humour. Just not about this. You came here asking for advice, we gave it, probably have more to give, but you need to adjust that sarcastic attitude, and understand when valid advice is being given. More advice; find sane, or another MOD, and have them delete this thread, but not before copying the context of your initial post, then edit to reflect that its a second request. You can be your own worst enemy in your personal life if you want to be. But don't bring your drama or your attention grabbing antics here, we don't need the additional attention, or headaches. f**k you for the picture, you ungrateful ingrate prick.

I stand corrected.  However, I must say in my defense that I did use ctrl+F to search the page and did not find :"hit man".  Yes I am to busy err lazy to read when the search did not find the word. My mistake i probably should have tried variations e.g. "hit men" "hit man" "hitmen" etc.  I thought is was obvious I was joking.  I was sincerely asking for advice and got some good feedback.  This hit man tangent has taken up more space than the useful answers. not to mention the time ...ooops  I mentioned it...  A simple "be careful about making references to violence even when joking"  would have been more productive.     And now that this page has the word "hit man" at least a dozen times, it will be filtered out faster and get more attention.  

You must have spare time (what is that?) available for fun projects like the artwork in the post above this one.  You guys all work together?  In fact , you could all be one person practically....joined  about the same time...about the same average rates of posts...unknown ages & locations...  Forgive me if Iam wrong...maybe I have you confused with someone else...and I am not going to check again.    

"...but it was funny  though huh?"

Note to self:  don't use the prisonplanet forum to test new jokes,old jokes, bad jokes or old folks ... they do not have any sense of humor....and who could blame them.  

And we have a profile match .....and this is your last chance to send me $5.  Hurry. It is a limited time offer.  Ramblin' ramblin' ramblin' crypto fascist new world order scum ... come and take it...tinypic tinyprick....keep those cards and letters.....PLEASE   update the database...over.


Hey I found apicture of you guys. Check it out



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Re: What Can You Do To Get Adult Protective Services Off Your Back?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2010, 12:13:34 am »
My family has has issues with CPS stemming from late 2008 and is now finally being resolved.

These 'professionals' came into my in-law's home and seized my niece when they had no right or judge approval to do so. They gave bogus reports, gave my niece over to her father (who is a known pedophile), and tried to dismantle the family.

They used various excuses to keep their case open and tried to sound righteous, but they had no excuse. No reason to uproot a happy child from a decent home. But, due to the incompetence of these workers (including pictures on Facebook depicting what poor parenting skills they have), a law suit is under way with plenty of evidence for our side to be victorious.
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