I'm Julie W., and I'm From The Government (The 4th Amendment)

[Freeski]

This 8-minute video really shows how oblivious the state itself is with respect to the U.S. Constitution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_jp3Sm1BY

Synopsis

- Health inspector wants to snoop on guy's private property
- Guy says buzz off
- Julie comes back with local cop
- Guy says buzz off if you don't have a warrant and probable cause
- Julie and cop don't even listen to his points re the 4th
- Julie motors onto the property and starts snapping photos
- Cop calls for reinforcements

What could this guy have done, lawfully, once Julie ignored him and continued her trespass? The guy asked the cop to remove her but that attempt to get the cop to uphold the law failed, so what are his options?

Can he remove her by force?

[Monkeypox]

The most frightening words you can ever hear: "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help."

 

[larsonstdoc]

  They are both breaking their oaths of office and they both don't know the Constitutions of both Indiana and the US.

  Yes, he should have arrested her for trespassing.

[Freeski]

Can he pull out a gun and order her off the property? Can he physically drag her off the property?

[larsonstdoc]

Can he pull out a gun and order her off the property? Can he physically drag her off the property?

  He is suppose to but hopefully it wouldn't come to that.  Like the property owner says, she needs to go to a judge with probable cause and if he (after looking at her reasons for being there) thinks a search warrant is appropriate, will sign the search warrant and she may have access. Of course the property owner may quash the search warrant.  THESE ARE PROTECTIONS WE ALL HAVE IF WE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO USE THEM.  WE NEED TO KNOW BASIC LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION.  Michael Badnarick has a free course at youtube on the Constitution  (43 videos).

           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOMbfsgZ9s

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[chris jones]

Just those words, I'm from the Government is meant to intimidate.

This guy had every right legaly to keep them off his land, in a way this is good, it brings to light the arrogance and domination that these power freaks are shoving on the people.

I am with hope this man sues and is awarded.
That this girl who claims to work for the Gov and her ecorts are punished under the law.

This is excellant.......... PROOF of the current tactics.

Good on this man.

[Freeski]

  He is suppose to but hopefully it wouldn't come to that.  Like the property owner says, she needs to go to a judge with probable cause and if he (after looking at her reasons for being there) thinks a search warrant is appropriate, will sign the search warrant and she may have access. Of course the property owner may quash the search warrant.  THESE ARE PROTECTIONS WE ALL HAVE IF WE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO USE THEM.  WE NEED TO KNOW BASIC LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION.  Michael Badnarick has a free course at youtube on the Constitution  (43 videos).

           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOMbfsgZ9s

That's a great series by Badnarik! (ps - hopefully he's recovering)

[larsonstdoc]

That's a great series by Badnarik! (ps - hopefully he's recovering)

  I hope he is.  He is a great patriot and person.

[Freeski]

Just those words, I'm from the Government is meant to intimidate.

This guy had every right legaly to keep them off his land, in a way this is good, it brings to light the arrogance and domination that these power freaks are shoving on the people.

I am with hope this man sues and is awarded.
That this girl who claims to work for the Gov and her ecorts are punished under the law.

This is excellant.......... PROOF of the current tactics.

Good on this man.

The incident was posted in 2007 so I am going to see whatever came of it.

(after spending some family time of course)

[Freeagain]

 He could have forcibly detained her for trespassing... The deputy did not however. What became of the suit?

[s3d1t0r]

Getting it all on video is exactly what he or anybody else should do in that or any other similar situation.

My main critique is that even though the man shooting the video footage was clearly upset, he was talking way too much and saying things like, "You're going to make me rich" and sorta giggling about it.

Aside from repeatedly asking to see the warrant and repeatedly telling the people to get off his property on video, it would be in the property owners best interest to keep any other dialog to a minimum to minimize the chance of saying anything that a lawyer could twist around and use against the property owner.

In other words, Don't Talk to Police (including IMHO "I'm from the Government I'm here to help" types) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[Freeski]

Getting it all on video is exactly what he or anybody else should do in that or any other similar situation.

My main critique is that even though the man shooting the video footage was clearly upset, he was talking way too much and saying things like, "You're going to make me rich" and sorta giggling about it.

Aside from repeatedly asking to see the warrant and repeatedly telling the people to get off his property on video, it would be in the property owners best interest to keep any other dialog to a minimum to minimize the chance of saying anything that a lawyer could twist around and use against the property owner.

In other words, Don't Talk to Police (including IMHO "I'm from the Government I'm here to help" types) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Excellent point. Good lecture, too, saw that recently.

[brokenarrow]

Can he pull out a gun and order her off the property? Can he physically drag her off the property?

He could, but only after advising her to leave and giving her resonable time to vacate. If she resists you may use only the force necessary to remove her.

I was almost busted years ago for cultivation. I was found not guilty because of illegal search and seizure, plus violation of my 4th amendment rights. That cost them a nice sum

[Freeski]

He could, but only after advising her to leave and giving her resonable time to vacate. If she resists you may use only the force necessary to remove her.

I was almost busted years ago for cultivation. I was found not guilty because of illegal search and seizure, plus violation of my 4th amendment rights. That cost them a nice sum

Thanks, and congrats!

I'd say he gave her plenty of warning.

PS - Can't find anything else about this

[VulpesVafrae]

Yeah you can't just 'shoot someone' for trespassing. Least not in CA Law. far as I know even if there has to be a 'no trespassing' sign for it to be illegal to go onto property, if there's not, then you can walk through fence and all. HOWEVER if you ask someone to leave, and they refuse, that is trespassing. Which is against the law and criminal.

The cop wasn't doing anything while she was walking around, so he couldn't rely on the cops to enforce the law. I would have gotten a gun at that point and ordered her off. She probably would have been more cooperative with a 7.62 in her face. Doesn't mean you can shoot her in the back if she is leaving. Actually in fact you can't shoot her if she stays legally (CA law?), but you could forcefully remove her.

I hate to say it, but what he did was the best decision (filming) unless he wanted to get into a shootout with everyone there, because you know that fatty pig would have chosen the fed's side in a heartbeat.

Again, 4th amendment doesn't grant you privacy and to be secure. Its an UNALIENABLE right that does not have to be written down in order for it to take affect. The 4th amendment is a bondage restraint on the Gov't to remind THEM not to do that.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[VulpesVafrae]

Just adding to the 4th amendment. "and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause..."

How backwards it is today.. A cop says they have probable cause, and gets to search you, when in actuality, it only allows them to get a warrant.

[brokenarrow]

Got two of the players names so far. Also looks like this happened in 2006 or earlier. This means the cop was only on the force for two years at maximim.

http://ro.getalyric.com/asculta/bB_jp3Sm1BY/u_s_constitution_4th_amendment_is_dead_in_america

[rawiron1]

http://www.futureamericanhistory.net/cpscaselaw.htm

http://www.bountylicenserecovery.com/cpswatch.html

Not directly related but basically says that the government can't do what it wants just because it's the government.

Jason

[kushfiend]

I'm really terrified of this ever happening to me, because I have a very serious temper problem and I would, without a doubt, of ended up getting arrested for physically removing that b*tch off my damn property!!

If she thinks she can scare me with some pig cop, she's got another thing comming!  I'm not afraid of going to prison to defend my rights as a U.S. citizen, but at the same time, I'm not really trying to go to jail either.

It sucks, but in this situation, you have a choice.  Bow and capitulate, or resist and get arrested. 

[Freeski]

Got two of the players names so far. Also looks like this happened in 2006 or earlier. This means the cop was only on the force for two years at maximim.

http://ro.getalyric.com/asculta/bB_jp3Sm1BY/u_s_constitution_4th_amendment_is_dead_in_america

Yes, they are also mentioned in the youtube description area. The property owner "might" be Robert Trimble but there's very little if anything in terms of outcome. I found one cryptic posting about the proprty being put on eBay a year ago but the listing is gone - naturally.

Must have been settled out of court, or perhaps "Trimble" just let it go.

[nustada]

Be in good with a vicious lawyer, that will sue government officials personally (as opposed to the government, which equals suing the taxpayer and is a pointless exercise.) when they violate rights. Have him on quick dial.

[brokenarrow]

Yes, they are also mentioned in the youtube description area. The property owner "might" be Robert Trimble but there's very little if anything in terms of outcome. I found one cryptic posting about the proprty being put on eBay a year ago but the listing is gone - naturally.

Must have been settled out of court, or perhaps "Trimble" just let it go.

The name i'm seeing more of is Ray Kirkus. I'm still trying to find the court docs.

[brokenarrow]

Getting warmer. Lots of people on his side too.

http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z136/3rdpartyREP/

Check this out!!

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=32963&Disp=14&Trace=on

[Freeski]

Getting warmer. Lots of people on his side too.

http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z136/3rdpartyREP/

Check this out!!

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=32963&Disp=14&Trace=on

I saw that but I couldn't make sense of the Uncle Bill part. Is Uncle Bill aka Kirkus or Trimble?

[Lilly Bighorn]

Can he pull out a gun and order her off the property? Can he physically drag her off the property?

gun? no. physically drag her off? probably. the standard is "reasonable" force, so that means proportional to her resistance.

Indiana Code 35-41-3-2(b)

(b) A person:
        (1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
        (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.

[Cleric John Preston]

That deputy was in total derelict of his duty to protect that man's property rights. What do you think security guards do when someone comes onto their property and refuses to leave? They arrest them of course!! Do we need men in uniforms to protect property rights in our own home now that we aren't allowed to do that ourselves? That man had full authority to place that woman under a citizen's arrest for refusing to leave when asked. I couldn't hold back my disgust for that display. 

[PTTurboe]

You can forcibly remove them. If threatened with bodily harm you can use force. Happened in Florida just south of me. 2 cops serving a civil warrant and the guy beat the shit out of the 2 cops.

He was found not guilty at trial.

[Lilly Bighorn]

You can forcibly remove them. If threatened with bodily harm you can use force. Happened in Florida just south of me. 2 cops serving a civil warrant and the guy beat the shit out of the 2 cops.

He was found not guilty at trial.

depends on the laws of the state. i posted the relevant section from the indiana code. you would need to find the law for your state by doing a search for the name of the state and "defense of property."

[brokenarrow]

I saw that but I couldn't make sense of the Uncle Bill part. Is Uncle Bill aka Kirkus or Trimble?

I think "Uncle Bill"  was just one of the posters and not Kirkus himself. This Trimble guy seems was in trouble for possible animal abuse/neglect.

[Freeski]

I think "Uncle Bill"  was just one of the posters and not Kirkus himself. This Trimble guy seems was in trouble for possible animal abuse/neglect.

You might be right.

[SpeakUpFightBack]

F-CK THE PIGS!!!



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[ekimdrachir]

Theyre clueless