AVATAR : "Triumph of the Will" for the NWO Green Nazis

[chris jones]

Just finished reading this post from the youngster Mike.

I realized that kids may get over the edge on this a bit, but it appears to be more.

It amazes me that a fiction film would have this effect. OK, I was alerted to this situation by Sanes comments some time back. & The fact that the director was a elitist, all of this did sink in.
I did see the film, and I admit to seeing it with a much different mindset than a child would have.
I keyed in on the fact the corps were using our guys in boots to do the dirt, as usual. The bribery of a disabled vets operation if he were to complete his mission. ETC.
The remainder to me was sheer fiction. I admit to being a hard nut to crack. though after seeing the enormous publicity, the fortune spent on this, the directors 33Degree status,  the kids responses,
the determination of the various posting, this film being posted in a Macdonalds in South America for FK sake, OK, bottom line you have a convert.
YES, if kids take from this what I have been reading in their replys, this flik, this fiction, must have an underlying tainted message in there.
I am not making excuses for my stand nor my philosophy, nor will I. This had no effect one me other than a fantasy, and of course my focus on the Military etc. thats who I am, I have been that way for many a decade and could not for the life of me see anything tangible or detramental.
If the children are being effected by this in the manner I have been reading about. Its time to put asside my impression and focus on what it may be doing to the children, the kids, the next generation are an integral part of my involvment in the movement.

[ekimdrachir]

     Going green is just another luxury that we have learnt to do without     

Alice Thomson

[ekimdrachir]

I know they want the blue imp but they do realize theres a real actor behind the CGI right?
Aren't they really just fantasizing about THIS instead of their wives?

[thnkfstpal]

I think my previous posts provide a more straight forward answer to the "why is this movie brainwash?" question.

The movie implies there is only one way to think, one way to be. Anyone outside of their solution in the movie is the problem. Basically individual freedom or letting people choose their own way of life is a problem because they will kill the earth.

[luckee1]

There does exist a party line here sure i've seen it, it's called the Alex Jones Party, like it's his forum an' all.

If there does exist a party line here, then that 'party line' should necessarily be posted on the rules portion of the forum.  So that newbies will understand how things work.  Also, include which movies are permitted which music is permitted, and what stances one should take on any political/social/situational event.  Independent thoughts are prohibited?  Communist Russia had their 'Red Book' so that the good commies had something to refer to, so should we, here.

Perhaps you should start a thread that discloses the party line here, Viper, that way newbs will not offend the stalwarts of the forum.  That way a newb with free thought, will not to start threads that alarm those obedient ones.

Quite ridiculous, isn't it?

[Viper]

If there does exist a party line here...

There's a Ron Paul Party Line here too i'd say, and the forum is better off for it, but you're getting at topic titles being changed right?
Like i said before it doesn't bother me, but i respect the globals, and think us here should support them is all, i mean it's damn cold at the top right?

[ekimdrachir]

What? started a new thread with the same screaming smeary crap?  Why two threads?  Is it to ensure that anyone who visits this site, will be relieved of all responsibility in making their own decisions on seeing the movie?

Or is to ensure that any visitor to this site, sees that the group here is a bunch of scare-d-cats of a movie. 

Or is it to show those new visitors 'the party line'?

Or could it be just someone opening a new thread about it, to give some the opportunity to spam even more crap about a movie they hadn't seen, without rebuttal from those who enjoyed it.

Or could it be used as a simple matter of 'poster fatigue'.  To ensure that the haters of the movie, get to have the last word, despite their claims to the contrary that they have better things to do? 

I dont know why theres two threads, and not just the one that I made, but this thread is supposed to be for reactions to the movie itself, and the other one is about the emotional mind control trauma being inflicted on the sheeple who watch it. Please comment regarding the subject matter, instead of posting rhetorical questions about the philosophy of posting.

[Freedom Reigns]

There's a Ron Paul Party Line here too i'd say, and the forum is better off for it, but you're getting at topic titles being changed right?
Like i said before it doesn't bother me, but i respect the globals, and think us here should support them is all, i mean it's damn cold at the top right?

Just so that I'm clear...are you saying that this forum mandates that everyone should be a supporter of Ron Paul?

[Dig]

What? started a new thread with the same screaming smeary crap?  Why two threads?  Is it to ensure that anyone who visits this site, will be relieved of all responsibility in making their own decisions on seeing the movie?

Or is to ensure that any visitor to this site, sees that the group here is a bunch of scare-d-cats of a movie. 

Or is it to show those new visitors 'the party line'?

Or could it be just someone opening a new thread about it, to give some the opportunity to spam even more crap about a movie they hadn't seen, without rebuttal from those who enjoyed it.

Or could it be used as a simple matter of 'poster fatigue'.  To ensure that the haters of the movie, get to have the last word, despite their claims to the contrary that they have better things to do? 

It is to deny anyone who wishes to proclaim their undying love for James Cameron the right to free speech.

[Viper]

Just so that I'm clear...are you saying that this forum mandates that everyone should be a supporter of Ron Paul?

No, i wouldn't go bashin' the good man without fair reason is all,
and how many truthers don't love Ron anyways?
He da Mayne He da Mayne.

[GhostofTsenzei]

The movie implies there is only one way to think, one way to be.

No it doesn't.  At all.  Sure, it's anti-"killing people for their stuff" but...

[Dig]

There does exist a party line here sure i've seen it, it's called the Alex Jones Party, like it's his forum an' all.

Yeah, wtf?

And one heck of a party it is!

[GhostofTsenzei]

And one heck of a party it is!

Although the booze IS running low.

[GUS]

Hi to Piltdown.

I repect your zeal, but with no offense intended, I beleive your attitude is self defeating.

I can see how kids may become entranced with this, but please explain to me what this fiction would do to an adult.
Ya know, what is the thread to your venem, you are relentless in this and I'm curious as to why. If you can get bottom line with your feelings, what you beleive this film is doing in actualtiy, what is the evil intent, I'm all ears.

chris, you ask great question here, but even after I read it I knew there would be no informed answer by Piltdown man. Why? Because if you haven't actually seen it how could you go on and on for days trashing it? You asked for specifics and got the same "the NWO brainwashing us all" stuff. You, and I, and anyone who sees a different message in this movie must be too naive to know better. Well I know I, and I believe you too, haven't been naive for a long time.

So then what is it? Here is at least a part of an answer from someone who has seen it, and followed this thread from the beginning. Paranoia. Now don't get me wrong there's good reason to be paranoid. But if you see a Zionist, or a 33rd degree mason behind every tree I don't believe you see the world rationally.

There are evil people situated in power throughout our world. Many are in a battle with humanity and pushing the NWO agenda. But there are some, even some 33rd degree masons, who are doing battle on the side of humanity. There must be, or we would all have lost the fight already.

I saw the movie, and loved it. I am as far from being brainwashed by the hijacked "green revolution" as anyone on this forum. If caring for the environment, or our home planet, or freedom is wrong, then what is right? "This is our land". Four words from Avatar that should resonate with all members of this forum.

[Viper]

Humans bad, trees good, kill humans, problem solved.
Long live the blue beasts!

That's what i got from it.

[GhostofTsenzei]

Humans bad, trees good, kill humans, problem solved.
Long live the blue beasts!

That's what i got from it.

Unless the humans help defend the trees and/or blue people.  Then they're golden.  Or something.

[phasma]

Not much into this film - "the road" comes out here in the UK tomorrow - its supposedly good - a bit like 2012 but more clever and less spectacular ?
Anyone seen this yet?

[iRonic]

you know, I should just drop out of this conversation because I'm admittedly pretty extreme.
I think it's good to be exposed so  you know what you are up against, but I'm at a point in life where I think what's best to do is get real, across the board.

lose the eye candy (or worse) movies that cost the gdp of a small country to make.  to hell with them all.
lose them totally; don't go see them. This is extreme and i should shut up about it, i know.

Movies have moved completely away from what they were in the beginning: honest, augmented self expression.  Now they are competitive glitzed out group think money making sensory overload propaganda machines with global stakes. they are not real. 

the cycle has run it's course.  Today's blockbusters are irrelevant and glutted; like a huge piece of triple artificial chocolate cake with triple chocolate frosting drowned in pure concentrated artificial chocolate sauce.  what's the point? 

admittedly pretty extreme, i duno about that,
its pretty hard to swallow everything your saying about the NWO conditioning when you make it clear the levels of mind controll are whats keeping you from seeing this movie,
i duno whats so scary about the subliminals your jumping up and down about, your in support of censorship / supporting mods taking controll of individuals freedoms of expressions by changing titles of peoples posts,
so on the one hand your in support of a hierarchical structure here and will agree with everything a mod tells you,
and on the other hand terribly afraid of messages in AVATAR

geez i really don't wana come across as im attacking you or singling you out, but i have no idea of what it is your fighting for, why worry about subliminals in a movie when you activley express your love of mods taking power over peoples posts on this forum,

confusing for me at least to follow, why worry about subliminals in a movie when you encourage certain liberties on this forum be removed from individual posters 

[Jackson Holly]

iRonic:

Do you think that at some point in time the Hollywood/Media product WILL be a
mind control/dumbing device? Do you think that they will tap into our thought processes
in ways that we haven't imagined yet? Will they one day go beyond the 'subliminal' and 'NLP', 'suggestion', 'aural manipulation', 'myth-making' and other techniques they employ so well now? Are we set to be mentally merged directly into their NWO agenda?

If so ... when?

 ... and would you not expect the leap to Hi-Def 3-D to be a step in that direction?

Will we see bloodlust wargames rolled out for our teenagers, with direct computer~brain interfaces, in HD 3D next year?

Do they not have us on a definite timeline to achieve this mindslave condition?

[ekimdrachir]

Alright well lets all just chill out and watch this great mashup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqfCE5J6yRc

[Piltdown Man]

admittedly pretty extreme, i duno about that,
its pretty hard to swallow everything your saying about the NWO conditioning when you make it clear the levels of mind controll are whats keeping you from seeing this movie,

the "levels of mind controll" are NOT "whats keeping (me) from seeing this movie".  It's just that it's a total waste of time for ME, my decision.  I've seen tons of crap like this before, I know what it is, I know how I want to spend my time.  My decision. You go see it 5000 times, take Luckee1 with you! I'm all for you guys spending your last dime watching this over and over! LOL Please! I've said before your right to do so is sacred to me.  But I don't want to go see it.  If i was at ALL curious about it, I'd go.  As it is, frankly this shit bores me to death.  I'd just as soon go sit in a topless bar and swill Tequila till I fall over.

i duno whats so scary about the subliminals your jumping up and down about, your in support of censorship / supporting mods taking controll of individuals freedoms of expressions by changing titles of peoples posts, so on the one hand your in support of a hierarchical structure here and will agree with everything a mod tells you, and on the other hand terribly afraid of messages in AVATAR

Dude you are seriously cracking me up now. I'm in support of censorship? Like hell.  I think mods have every right to change titles.  That's their job! Read the rules.  ORGANIZING the forum, changing titles, moving threads: it's in the rules.  If you don't want your title changed, don't post  Read the damn rules.    They don't censor your posts, they don't change a hair on the head of what you have to say.  Unless it's stupidly obscene or something.  They bend over backwards not to change your posts.  But titles?     That's part of forum organization.     and clarity.  It's how i see it.  And I don't agree with everything mods tell me.  I've quit twice because mods fu*ked with me in ways I didn't like.  I was vocal about it too.  I scorched the mods a time or two.  But Sane has always been fair.    And I'm not afraid of messages in AVATAR any more than I'm afraid of predator drones and Fema camps.  I recognize it's all fruit from the same tree and it's part of my world so I deal; which means calling it like I see it when I see it.

confusing for me at least to follow, why worry about subliminals in a movie when you encourage certain liberties on this forum be removed from individual posters  

ROFLMAO  so you think Piltdown man should just shut up about this very important topic (an influential illuminati blockbuster movie millions of kids are going to suck down like so much pepsi) because I think mods are within their rights to change titles?  okay.  you've had too much fluoride today.  you're not making sense.

I think the conversation about changing titles is good.  I gave my opinion.  I respect yours.
I think the conversation about this movie is good.  I gave my opinion. I enjoy reading others.  

What the bloody hell is everyone's problem with people stating their opinion in this of all places??

[Piltdown Man]

iRonic:

Do you think that at some point in time the Hollywood/Media product WILL be a
mind control/dumbing device? Do you think that they will tap into our thought processes
in ways that we haven't imagined yet? Will they one day go beyond the 'subliminal' and 'NLP', 'suggestion', 'aural manipulation', 'myth-making' and other techniques they employ so well now? Are we set to be mentally merged directly into their NWO agenda?

If so ... when?

 ... and would you not expect the leap to Hi-Def 3-D to be a step in that direction?

Will we see bloodlust wargames rolled out for our teenagers, with direct computer~brain interfaces, in HD 3D next year?

Do they not have us on a definite timeline to achieve this mindslave condition?

yes, and isn't this starting to feel eerily like the Matrix movie? People sound asleep in liquid stasis, hooked up to some life force battery, "experiencing" life in their minds only.  Put on your 3D glasses, wrap your mercury addled brain around some powerful visual stimuli, and don't wake up, ever.   

[Viper]

..Put on your 3D glasses, wrap your mercury addled brain around some powerful visual stimuli, and don't wake up, ever.   

Well done Piltdown Man, you got some real fightin' spirit and true passion in ya, i remember you fighting for Alex and Sheen when the interview was released too.
remember i called ya a goody troll?
Ha HA! that was before i seen sense back then.

[Brocke]

Avatar Is Actually Pocahontas In 3D



Original link

Code:

http://www.dump.com/2010/01/06/proof-that-avatar-is-actually-pocahontas-in-3d/

[iRonic]

iRonic:

Do you think that at some point in time the Hollywood/Media product WILL be a
mind control/dumbing device? Do you think that they will tap into our thought processes
in ways that we haven't imagined yet? Will they one day go beyond the 'subliminal' and 'NLP', 'suggestion', 'aural manipulation', 'myth-making' and other techniques they employ so well now? Are we set to be mentally merged directly into their NWO agenda?

If so ... when?

Yes for sure they will but i see no point really in believing that some outside force is going to take controll of my inner most thoughts and manipulate me to doing things i do not want to be doing, it will take a WEAK mind for them to take controll of, and im not going to subscribe to the belief that i dont have the power to keep intact my own sanity,
There are so many ways to deprogram our own belief systems or mental baggage that i believe it comes down to a choice just how far we let outside forces influence our inner choices,
if you see AVATAR and walk out of the theater a completley changed individual than id say you allowed it to happen, Even if it it did happen you still have the choice to let it all go afterward,
Living in constant fear about these things probally heightens your chances of being taken over, if your on a higher frequency consciously than the frequency trying to enter your beliefs id say you stand a really good chance of not taking on board those messages

[Piltdown Man]

Alright well lets all just chill out and watch this great mashup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqfCE5J6yRc

this one's better   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg

[iRonic]

take Luckee1 with you! I'm all for you guys spending your last dime watching this over and over! LOL Please!

Sure why not, she comes across as someone who can step back and have a good laugh at all the programming thats taking place in the movie, and strong willed enough to come out of the theater the same person she was before entering,

Dude you are seriously cracking me up now. I'm in support of censorship? Like hell.  I think mods have every right to change titles.  That's their job! Read the rules.  ORGANIZING the forum, changing titles, moving threads: it's in the rules.  If you don't want your title changed, don't post  Read the damn rules

Well whatever, like monkey said if the post title were offensive in some way to the general audience than id support tile changing as well, but i for one don't support changing titles that are in no way offensive, if its my post, than its my post, why do i need the title changed to something i may not even agree with? i dont understand the point of even doing so,
just maybe i enjoy reading the creativeness of all members and how they would write / view things, instead of the same sensationalistic titles over and over, usually its the TOPIC of a title that lures me into a thread, the body of the message isnt known before hand
And its usually courteous for mods to leave a footnote in the post that they changed the subject and the reason for doing so, but alas.....

ROFLMAO  so you think Piltdown man should just shut up about this very important topic

No i never said that at all,
TO have knowledge on a subject someone must have had a experience with the information , like experiencing the movie,
what your offering is just information about what you Think may or may not have happend,
if your that concerned about what really took place in AVATAR and what the general mass are absorbing, you cannot know without the experiance?  
don't you feel confident enough in yourself to come out of the movie without taking on some programming?
i believe you are strong enough to see the movie and walk out untouched, that is, only if you wanted to.

[Jackson Holly]

^ ^ ^

Yaah Piltdown ... how can you go on and on about a frontal lobotomy?   

 ... I'll bet you have never even HAD ONE!   

[Freedom Reigns]

^ ^ ^

Yaah Piltdown ... how can you go on and on about a frontal lobotomy?   

 ... I'll bet you have never even HAD ONE!   

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy! 

[Piltdown Man]

yes, and isn't this starting to feel eerily like the Matrix movie? People sound asleep in liquid stasis, hooked up to some life force battery, "experiencing" life in their minds only.  Put on your 3D glasses, wrap your mercury addled brain around some powerful visual stimuli, and don't wake up, ever.  

Just with a few minutes of surfing the latest fan forums, here's a sampling of what moviegoers are saying.
This is some amazing suicidal, self hate, self-deprecatory, obsessive (people write about going to see it 5 times and more)  escapist, disturbing shit if you ask me.  Where is this coming from?  An entertaining sci fi???  
 Quotes are taken from here: one of many fan sites  http://naviblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37&start=10

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Leaving Avatar I felt ugly, not only physically because the Na'vi are a beautiful people, but spiritually and mentally as well, knowing just how much blood is on our hands. It made me a misanthrope - everytime I hear something about war or murder, I hate humanity a little more. I am going to die one day, I don't want to waste my life trying to sort through the filth on this planet - if I could I would go to Pandora tomorrow. I want to enjoy the limited time I have in this life.
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i have been dreaming about living in pandora. life on earth suxs and humans are so inconsiderate of their planet. as Markus said i have always been think life on earth is not for me i feel like i dont belong here on earth. so i would go to pandora so i could a least start my life over have some meaning in it
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How can people want to go to another planet. I might sound like an anti humanist nazi, but face the facts people. We have destroyed earth.
If you cant see that now, wow...
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What will happen if we do manage to go into space, is another planet will be destroyed by our problems.
Planets like Pandora can do without humans. I dont want to see them go to waste like I know they will.
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Humans cant live together, what makes you think we can live with aliens? I for one am against space travel, but since nothing will stop humanity's conquest for more.  I feel sorry for whats to come...

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and humans should stay on earth, look at what humans continue to do their brothers and sisters , the so called humanity of humans. and look at what most people do to insects, if we ever met another alien race i have no dout that only a few years after the meeting either their race or ours would be extinct. cause right now, thats just how humans are.
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I don't have the words to describe the experience from this movie. I just watched it first time 2 hours ago and I still can't shake off the feeling like I was a part of this new world, having a feeling in my stomach while climbing those mountains, living though the same adventure as characters from the story and not as someone who went to watch a movie in the theater.

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I originally planned on waiting until I saw it again, but I can't, I need to try this now. I've been busy this last week (saw it last weekend for the first time) and haven't been getting much sleep, so I haven't made any attempts at going lucid or controlling the dreams, just too tired when I get to bed. Oddly enough, I haven't had any Avatar-related dreams since seeing the movie - or any dreams at all for that matter (though it is usually the first thought in my head when I wake up)...

Gonna get to bed extra early tonight - thank Eywa for the snow storm we got last night, got all my work done early today. Plus there's a sound file on Youtube which aids in gaining lucidity - I'm gonna play it over my iPhone as I fall asleep. Haven't really gone lucid in a while, hope things go well tonight. :?  Wish me luck, I'll definitally post the results tomorrow. From what I've read Avatar makes fantastic LD material.

I'm not gonna try and control the dream tonight - just gonna try lucidity and let whatever come, come. After a few lucid Avatar dreams I'll attempt control.

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I feel that seeing the movie multiple times helps with the withdrawal-like symptoms. your mind is less blown away, and you gain a deeper understanding of the story.

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I've had problems with depression for years, and the first time I saw Avatar didn't help. my entire reality was shattered, so to speak. there was such a wave of emotions flowing through me that I really didn't know what to feel. I simply had to see it again, which helped a bit. a little less shock and awe, but still some general depression with the reality of how much of a crap-hole this planet is.

the third time I saw it, it inspired me. honestly inspired me to change my life for the better. I'm getting myself back on the right path, eating healthier, exercising regularly, becoming extremely resource conscious in what I use, being more patient and understanding of the random people I encounter throughout the day, the list goes on. I don't feel like my life is meaningless anymore, I feel that I have a responsibility. a responsibility to go out and to something positive in this dark world, to do my part to make a change for the better.

the more you see the movie, the more you will come to grips with reality. your mind will realize that there is no way for us to experience anything like we saw in the movie (aside from seeing it) but the world we live in is very real, is very damaged, and is in dire need of help.

we must help our mother, before we kill her.

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We all know that there is no other way to reach Pandora but to watch Avatar at the theater, or visit this website and similar websites.
So I hope the worrisome expressed intentions on how to escape to Pandora is nothing more than mere expressions and analogies of the love for Avatar and not based on real intentions.

Therefore this thread will serve as a member to member coping and support mechanism for those emotionally affected by the realization that Pandora is not real.

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I just viewed it in IMAX and now I have seen it in every format. All I can say is I loved this movie and has not met a person who has seen it and didn't like it. Even today while watching the 11:30 in the morning showing while all the kids are in school I kept hearing adults around me whisper to the person next to them about how real everything looked and how amazing the 3D was.   I even heard some people say they are going to see it again.

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Having seen it 5 times now and I still feel terrible every time they knock down hometree and every time a Na'vi dies. This movie has changed life for me forever. Gives me goose-bumps every time i watch it.

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1 Avatar - the only movie I saw 3 times in theater.
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This movie will not be one of my favorite for a week till I get on DVD and watch five or six times. I saw it four days ago and am going to see it again with some friends who are also going to be seeing it for a second time. First movie I will have ever seen twice in theaters.

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I had been searching for a technical description of the various formats, too, and couldn't find anything. However, here's what I do know:
1) IMAX projects the left and right eye images simultaneously. The digital IMAX, I believe, has a 4k (4,000 horizontal lines or resolution) projector, whereas traditional IMAX has this converted to 70mm film, which is effectively just as good as their digital format. All IMAX screens also have some proprietary reflective material so the screens are the brightest in the world. (Also, I believe that the quality control techniques at IMAX screens - making sure that the sound and picture alignment are all perfect - are the most stringent in the world.)

2) Real-D projects 60 left eye and 60 right eye images alternatively each second. For Avatar, I think (but I don't know for certain) that they sliced off small horizontal strips at the top and bottom to make the ratio 2.35:1, whereas in IMAX it's, like, 1.76:1 or thereabouts. The Real-D effect is just as good as IMAX, in my opinion. However, you do get a little bit of eyestrain after a while (I think that, subconsciously, your eyes and brain take notice of the left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye illusion.)
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I'm going to make an effort to go to at least two more viewings. I'd like to watch it in REAL-D so see how the 3D and picture quality compares to IMAX, and I might watch it in 2D once as something of a benchmark.
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I've read on this thread and various other sources on the web about Avatar fans feeling heightened sense of mood changes along the lines of despair and depression from the realization that Pandora and all of it's inhabitants are not tangible. I have also read about fleeting thoughts of suicide, self induced coma, and prolonged sleep from members of this website and other websites as possible ways to physically and metaphysically connect with Pandora and its inhabitants. For that matter, this website exists as an extension to the world of Avatar, a place where we all can commune, connect, freely express our love and passion for the world that James Cameron has created. Either here, or at the theaters.

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The problem though is that no matter how much you try and convince people that Pandora is not real - the longing is still there. A lot of people here recognize the real ills of the world (and have for a while), and when they see what they view as a utopian society, of course they are going to want to go there! When you spend all day hearing about wars, murders, global warming, animal cruelty, etc - and then go see a people who manage to live in harmony with the world, which are you going to want to be with? It's not really an issue of trying to convince people Pandora isn't real, but rather one of trying to convince people what the earth is a better place than they think it is - which is a lot harder of a task. Heck, I'm not even there yet - humanity sickens me, and I'm not sure how it can redeem itself in my eyes, yet. EARTH is the hostile planet, not Pandora. I still doubt humanity will be able to save itself simply by evolving, because we've already made a wrong turn somwhere. Sometimes I feel the only way to make things right may be a revolution. Violent? If it has to be, so be it - it would truly be the war to end all wars. Humanity is spiritually hungry, and people feel Avatar has satiated that hunger - convincing people to go hungry again will be no easy task, nor pleasant.

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People also need to look at recent scientific advances and theories, they've brought me a lot of comfort. If it wasn't for physics I would be a wreck right now. Multi-worlds theory, a leading "theory of everything" allows a planet like Pandora to exist - would we find it? A long shot, but one day we might, one day - no use fretting over it now, though. Scientists are also cracking the secrets of the human brain, and believe "mind-uploading" might be possible one day. We're also managing to grow tissues in labs, even small animals (though I detest the changes some scientists make to them - like growing them without heads, sickening. :evil: ). Science is advancing at an exponentially faster rate every day, too. One day you may very well be able to have an Avatar of your own, but like with MWT, we're not there yet, so don't frett about it.

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Re: Coping with Avatar/Pandora Withdrawals

Postby n'aringyä'eveng » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:47 am

Ive had Avatar withdrawl... It is not fun... trust me, i wanted and still do want to dream about being on pandora and being a Na'vi and living out their life...
Seeing Avatar is one of the best things that has happened to me.  meditation also helps. imagining myself flying around the floating mountains on an ekran, flying alongside Neytiri, challenging her to a race to the Tree of Souls and back, walking through the plant-lit jungle at night, and other such things.....I find it inspiring, and helps give me a little boost to go along with my day.

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i wanna go because life here sux no sense of companionship and because mankind has destroyed our planet. i wouldn't let that happen there

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The above. And also, my whole life, ive felt there's something more for me out there. Or that there could be something more. For the last few years that feeling has been somewhat quashed, dormant. Avatar has woken it back up and, yeah, if I could choose anywhere for me to go thats extraordinary, it would be there.
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My urge to be a Na'vi is probably the strongest thing I have ever felt, and also the reality that it will likely (described below) never happen. Of course being able to link up with nature, or fly on your own personal dragon-bird is cool, but I want to be a Na'vi for more than that. I've pretty much given up all hope in the human race...

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I study history a lot, and I enjoy learning about how different socities learn to interact. With that in mind, when I first saw Avatar, I felt ashamed to be human. From the Crusades of the 11th century, to Columbus in the 15th, to African colonization in the 19th, we always seem to find a way to screw up someone else's life, as well as our own. In my country, we're in two wars right now, can't pass good healthcare reform worth a damn, and posion our ecosystem. We don't seek fulfillment - we seek excitement - which is why drugs, alcohol, promiscuity, and pornography are problems today - they make you feel good for a short time, but in the end you are empty inside. We are eating poison like transfats, high fructose corn syrup, and other proscessed goods. Don't even get me started on how little respect we have for the animals we eat, making the ultimate sacrifice. Also, our technology may be bringing us together through the ability to exchange information, but we have less and less human-to-human contact away from our methods of social networking. We let the corporate powers that be control us - I hate it when my parents shop at places like Wal-Mart. We have a spiritual hunger that we are denying - it's slowly killing us. The Na'vi don't care about technology - they seek fulfillment in life - praising life for it's own magnificance, enjoying natural wonders, loving, living... You don't need an iPod or Facebook account for that, just enjoy life for it's incredible beauty with your fellow (wo)man.


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 This movie has serious made me think deeper than anything else has ever before, it's all I can think about. This is by far the most profound thing I have ever written, to the point of being shocking. :shock: Everytime I close my eyes I see a Na'vi or Pandora. It's torture because it's nearly impossible to rest my mind at night, but it's a blessing because I'm having thoughts that I never knew I would have. I've had a Pandorian-esque utopia in my mind for a while now - ecological harmony, peace, companionship, love - and this movie has shown me just how beautiful it can be.
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James Cameron: "From a director's stand point, I don't want to constantly be reminding you that you're sitting in a movie theater with a pair of glasses on, watching 3D film. I want you to be absorbed into the movie. So well you know we have few 3D gimmicky shots throughout the movie but like maybe 3 in a 2.5 hour movie. We see in depth all the time. We're sort of not really aware of it, we kinda forget that we're wearing propentual 3D glasses, so the movie kinda works that way you just watch it in 3D like you do in real life and guess what, it feels like real life"

[Piltdown Man]

Sure why not, she comes across as someone who can step back and have a good laugh at all the programming thats taking place in the movie, and strong willed enough to come out of the theater the same person she was before entering,

You know, I'm not really worried about you guys. I'm sure seeing the movie is just a good laugh and all.

But please read through what some of these kids are going through that I posted above and ask yourself, is this healthy?
Is this not more targeted extermination/degradation tactics?

Somebody asked me awhile back wtf is my motivation for writing so much on this subject...
I've been a teacher all my life, a hands on art teacher, I'm always running into kids who say my class changed their life 20 or 15 or 1 year ago.  I like kids.  And I hate to see this shit happening to them.  It just deadens them a little more, and they're half dead already with all the chemical and psycho crap coming down around them.    This movie is a targeted sensory overload to take away what last bit of self esteem they still have.   It's an emotional piece of propaganda crap.  The NWO ain't fightin a nice war here.  Cameron's not pushing any boundaries of artistic excellence here, he's part of the crew sent in to crap on the minds and hearts of young people.

[Brocke]

Just with a few minutes of surfing the latest fan forums, here's a sampling of what moviegoers are saying.
This is some amazing suicidal, self hate, self-deprecatory, obsessive (people write about going to see it 5 times and more)  escapist, disturbing shit if you ask me.  Where is this coming from?  An entertaining sci fi???  
 Quotes are taken from here: one of many fan sites  http://naviblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37&start=10

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Leaving Avatar I felt ugly...

This is very disturbing!

People have essentially given up on humanity. They believe that what we know to be the NWO agenda is just human nature when it really is so far from human nature that we have to be constantly dumbed down, manipulated, drugged, traumatized, and abused just to keep going along with it. And Avatar is part of this manipulation. Very disturbing.

[Piltdown Man]

Here's a quote I'd like to emphasize from this fan site: http://naviblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37&start=10
The poster implies there have been lots of young folks feeling mood changes, despair and thoughts of suicide after seeing the movie.  
And yeah, I think this is really important, and no, I don't need to go see it to know this is not a good thing.


I've read on this thread and various other sources on the web about Avatar fans feeling heightened sense of mood changes along the lines of despair and depression from the realization that Pandora and all of it's inhabitants are not tangible.
I have also read about fleeting thoughts of suicide, self induced coma, and prolonged sleep from members of this website and other websites as possible ways to physically and metaphysically connect with Pandora and its inhabitants.
For that matter, this website exists as an extension to the world of Avatar, a place where we all can commune, connect, freely express our love and passion for the world that James Cameron has created. Either here, or at the theaters.

[Jackson Holly]

I think we are seeing a quantum leap here in what they once called "virtual reality".

Dangerous new tech is being unleashed I am afraid.

Piltdown, you are right about the kids ... they have very little defenses at this point ...
they have been primed practically since birth ... theirs already is a near~virtual world.

But, we should not discount the effects on the adult mind, though ...
many (especially under 30 or so) are almost as susceptible I fear.

[iRonic]

Piltdown man since your bringing kids into the equation than i would be way more inclined to see things from your viewpoint,
Just thinking about all the drugs kids are on nowdays, the sensory overload would be out of this world,
if i had kids i probally wouldnt take them to see AVATAR, if i did there would be some very looooong conversations before and afterwards

[agentbluescreen]

this one's better  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg

It is !  LOL

[GoingEtheric]

Avatar Is Actually Pocahontas In 3D

well, look at that. lol.
Only the few and the wise know the reason for such retellings.

[GhostofTsenzei]

Not much into this film - "the road" comes out here in the UK tomorrow - its supposedly good - a bit like 2012 but more clever and less spectacular ?
Anyone seen this yet?

I haven't seen it.  It's based on a book of the same name that my mother read, and was discussing with me after we'd seen "9."

It's not like 2012, in that it is post-apocolyptic, rather than pre- or current (it doesn't even go into why society/humanity collapsed either).  It also supposedly has a script and a plotline.  In any event, this is what I know about it: It's freaking depressing.  Like: "OMG that sucks so much it makes me feel bad about life in general" depressing.  Plus, more cannibals.

[Piltdown Man]

I haven't seen it.  It's based on a book of the same name that my mother read, and was discussing with me after we'd seen "9."

It's not like 2012, in that it is post-apocolyptic, rather than pre- or current (it doesn't even go into why society/humanity collapsed either).  It also supposedly has a script and a plotline.  In any event, this is what I know about it: It's freaking depressing.  Like: "OMG that sucks so much it makes me feel bad about life in general" depressing.  Plus, more cannibals.

read the Cormac McCarthy book, which won the Pulitzer I believe, which is probably about as rigged as the Nobel I fear

anyway, it is more of the human-being-as-worthless-scum-that -should-die-already type of literary genre.  
that seems to be all the rage these days

But lol I don't want to get flamed all over the place again over this.
I'm not sayin don't read it; i'm just sayin that's how it struck me, and it's my opinion that this is all just a little too Al Gorifically NWOrderish coincidental.

It was a gripping book that yeah, made me depressed for days.  You get caught up in the journey of this father and son through this sunless gray lifeless loveless gritty world where remnant humans have evidently gotten what they deserve and are roaming around eating babies and murdering for food.  There is no hope because humans have, in their greed and stupidity, killed the earth, in the book it is definitely a nuclear-caused apocalyptic winter scenario.

cheerio!

[GhostofTsenzei]

The real question: Is it more, or less cheerful than "I have no mouth and I must scream?"