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« Reply #360 on: December 31, 2009, 05:49:29 AM » |
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I totally agree with this post - I'm as surprised that it hasn't CHAMPIONED AN AWAKENING of the planet to the evils of CORPORATE WAR FOR PROFIT...
I really don't see their main drive as profit, talking about the elite, i see them more happy with turning us all into pagans, megadeath is the only club card accepted by these folks. |
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« Reply #361 on: December 31, 2009, 10:10:24 AM » |
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This is in reply to http://www.moviefill.com/sigh-the-totally-expected-right-wing-avatar-backlash-19897/The military in this movie was not the American military, it is the private CORPORATE military as we have seen-- everyone gets a paycheck for marching orders; there are no nationalities, no boundaries, nothing it won't do when the ends justify the means. The beginning clearly illustrates they are "hired guns taking the money". Logic is overridden by emotions, fear takes control-- the general decides to call poison-arrows and a broken camera "Terror" to be fought "With Terror" ( including a "shock and awe" finale to annhilate the tree of souls!) What aught they to do but what they have been canned and shot through space, de-thawed, fed and armed to the teeth with robots machine guns and helicopters to do... which was to BURN the Navi tree of life and take what they want. This movie was a deep story about the human struggle between survival and living in balance, and I wouldn't want either extreme, but a balance would be great as long as we don't have to massacre our planet and each other before it can happen. I have love for humans, and don' think we should give up on eachother. Its when we do give up that we become lost. |
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« Reply #362 on: December 31, 2009, 11:19:26 AM » |
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humourous Megadeath clubcards aside, PROFIT (and the brutally mechanical way the global corporations correct their errors of economical judegement) is the real poison we've all been subjected to this millennium. And I think the Roman Empire are still alive and well in 2010. But all Empires come to an end, it's just that this one is a couple thousand years overdue. Can we really live without gladiatorial saturation of mainstream media? Onward FREE PLANET. I really don't see their main drive as profit, talking about the elite, i see them more happy with turning us all into pagans, megadeath is the only club card accepted by these folks.
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i don't think this is open warfare at all, i think this is great fun and very productive! Why? Because of your first sentence I quoted: "the bottom line is I have never given a thought to these films being used to provoke an underlying current, I simply filed them away as entertainment."
Bingo! Where did you file them? Where did they get stored in your trusting, momentarily vulnerable and unsuspecting mind? How are they affecting your attitude and perception of the world? If the propaganda is sold as just "entertainment" you don't question it. This is key, absolutely key.
I personally doubt they much affected Chris' perception of things as he has been way deep in the shit of these psychos for decades. However for the youth I believe these movies are quite influential. Also when you add the $Trillions spent on creating a Green Nazi Matrix conditioning billions to accept a scientific dictatorship then absolutely the programming is staunch and vile. It is my opinion that there ain't no way in hell Chris ever would support such utter insanity even if he went through 100 years of Clockwork Orange programming-just my opinion based on him carrying on the Smedley Butler legacy to this forum. But in general your analysis is a proven fact for the general public. This is a Tavistock controlled dialectic where we are only given 2 choices... Evil theiving war mongering imperialist pigs v. interplanetary copulating beastiality hive mind demons and dragons whose mission is to conduct sustainable development paganistic rituals with communistic rationing of faux-scarce resources as they conduct anti-human re-education. Alan Watt does many excellent speeches and videos on predictive programming that would assist in exposing much of the grand scope of the agenda by the NWO.. |
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I totally agree with this post - I'm as surprised that it hasn't CHAMPIONED AN AWAKENING of the planet to the evils of CORPORATE WAR FOR PROFIT, which is all the last century has been. CONGLOMERATION. RESTRUCTURING. CONSOLIDATION of the plan to rule the world from a central hub interface that You The People willingly subscribe to. The simple fact is, "They can't be tyrants if we don't let them."
It's that easy.
We need to stop thinking this is a safe and sane and stable world. It's not. It's in flux all the time. f**k society. f**k Royalty. f**k Commercial gain. f**k religious mind control. f**k dogma. f**k advertising. f**k communalism. f**k science and art and hisgtory. It's all supposed to keep you dumbed down and willing to comply.
Get out of your controlled mind set and embrace your fellow man (and woman) - they are your REAL allies against the corporate machine. We need to ALL SIX BILLION OF US unit behind such projects and tell the corporations to f**k Off!
Proper angry that this thread has side-lined itself to, "Cameron's a 33rd degree mason." so what, if you're that convinced he is, you'll smash the Masonic lodges and out these f**kers. Otherwise, It's all distractional in-fighting that minimises a moevement's effectiveness. Long live creativity. Long live passion. Long live kinship.
DEATH TO THE MACHINE, long live technology.
Arbeit macht frei! Slavery = Freedom! Let's all go to carousel! RENEW RENEW RENEW!
Carousel is about to begin...
 
Renew, renew, renew....
Soon we will have our dome city...
And our babies will finally be safe...
Human Rights BAD!
Scientific Technocracy GOOD!
"No one will enter the New World Order...
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No one will enter the New Age
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-David Spangler
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"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite."
Senator William Jenner, 1954
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U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.
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Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign
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A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
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Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
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"The United States must stay involved in the world and we must lead. Today there is a strange coalition at work in Washington and across the country consisting of people on the political right and the political left coming together to keep us from staying involved. Big labor and liberal Democrats are joining some Republicans on the right in calling for America to come home, (saying) we have done our part and that it's time for others to do the heavy lifting on international leadership. And we must not listen to that siren's call of protection and isolation. "
Former President George Bush
Addressing Duke University Graduates May 17, 1998
USA Today May 29, 1998
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H. Rowan Gaither, Jr., President - Ford Foundation (as told to Norman Dodd, Congressional Reese Commission 1954)
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"The New Deal is plainly an attempt to achieve a working socialism and avert a social collapse in America; it is extraordinarily parallel to the successive 'policies' and 'Plans' of the Russian experiment. Americans shirk the word 'socialism', but what else can one call it?"
H.G. Wells The New World Order 1939
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Richard Salent, former president, CBS News
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President George Bush Texas A&M University 1989
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President George Bush State of the Union Address 1991
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"Under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner. . . ." [This is compassionate liberalism.]
Fabian Socialist Bernard Shaw in his Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928.
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Senate Report 93-549 (1973).
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Sir Julian Huxley, first Director General of UNESCO, 1946-1948.
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Margaret Sanger, outspoken atheist and socialist, founder of the Voluntary Parenthood League in 1914, and responsible for opening the first birth control clinic in the United States in New York City.
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Katherine Graham, Washington Post publisher and CFR member.
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Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation
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"You know the one thing that is wrong in this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
President Bill Clinton
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"The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune.
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Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news.
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"In total, during the first eighty-eight years of this century, almost 170 million men, women, and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed, or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed, or killed in any other of the myriad ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners. The dead could conceivably be nearly 360 million people. It is as though our species has been devastated by a modern Black Plague. And indeed it has, but a plague of Power, not of germs."
Dr. R. J. Rummel, Death by Government.
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"The people will be crushed under the burden of taxes, loan after loan will be floated; after having drained the present, the State will devour the future."
Fredric Bastiat
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"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis."
Text of article in The Philadelphia Inquirer (June 1942)
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"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God."
American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in The New York Times (December 1942)
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"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning. They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper."
Norman Thomas, in his book What Is Our Destiny? (1944)
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"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach."
Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- The New York Times (February 1962)
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"He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in peace and building 'a new world order."
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"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than f rom the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."
Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)
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"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund."
Part of full-page advertisement by the government of Morocco in The New York Times (April 1994)
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"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.
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"The truth of the matter is that you do have those standby provisions, and the statutory emergency plans are there whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism, apprehend, invoke the military, and arrest Americans and hold them in detention camps."
U.S. Representative Henry Gonzalez, August 29, 1994
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"We are moving toward a new world order, the world of communism. We shall never turn off that road."
Mikhail Gorbachev 1987
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Adolph Hitler during World War II
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"To keep global resource use within prudent limits while the poor raise their living standards, affluent societies need to consume less.
Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance."
United Nations Our Global Neighborhood 1995
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"[E]ducation should aim not so much at acquisition of knowledge. . . [today] there is less need to know the content of information. . . . [There should be a] transformation of life in totality . . . [a] profound commitment to social tasks. . . . Achievement of socialist countries . . . have laid the foundation of a way of life which makes everyone understand its [sic] individual relevance. . . [whereas capitalism] lays the foundation of rivalry and aggression and encourages exaggerated consumption, [making] man a slave of ambition and social status symbols. . . [lifelong learning promotes] equality of end result, and not merely of opportunity . . . [and] fosters equality in terms of opinions, aspirations, motivation, and so on. . . . There is a dilemma -- if lifelong education were to be based on the aim of increasing the yield of business enterprises and economic growth, it would merely serve to establish a totalitarian, one-dimension society."
-- Foundations of Lifelong Education, a UNESCO publication in 1976.
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Professor Carroll Quigley, in his book Tragedy and Hope, 1966.
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Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine.
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Bernard Goldberg, as quoted by Harry Stein in the June 13-19, 1992 TV Guide.
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"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
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"Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws."
Meyer Nathaniel Rothschild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers February 12, 1912. The following year, the USA subscribed to the 'services' of the newly incorporated Federal Reserve, headed by Mr. Rothschild.
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"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain."
Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974.
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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order."
From The National Educator, K.M. Heaton
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." Norman Thomas, for many years U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate.
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"The time for absolute and exclusive sovereignty...has passed; its theory was never matched by reality."
UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, An Agenda for Peace, 1992.
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"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
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"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets, and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."
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"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
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"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
Reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August, 1988.
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"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist.... I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."
Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
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"It is now apparent that the ecological pragmatism of the so-called pagan religions, such as that of the American Indians, the Polynesians, and the Australian Aborigines, was a great deal more realistic in terms of conservation ethics than the more intellectual monotheistic philosophies of the revealed religions."
Press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on the occasion of the ``Caring for Creation'' conference of the North American Conference on Religion and Ecology, May 18, 1990.
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"I don't claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the 'cull' to the size of the surplus population."
Preface to Down to Earth by HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, 1988, p.|8.
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"This is a moment to seize. The kaleidoscope has been shaken, the pieces are in flux, soon they will settle again. Before they do, let us re-order this world around us."
Tony Blair, Tuesday, 2 October, 2001
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"Other countries will not take lectures about the so-called new world order from a British prime minister who cannot deliver basic public services run by his own failing government."
Tony Blair, 5th January, 2002
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller
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"We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders."
President George Bush, 1991
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"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #367 on: December 31, 2009, 01:02:12 PM » |
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"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
Was'nt Strobe Talbot - President Clinton' room mate when he was inducted into Rhodes Schoolar Conspiracy at Oxford ?
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Hi S. Heck of nice job on those quotes,+100. They should be tagged and run for the new folks. In fact it would be nice to see them run by our MSM, no doubt it would never happen. I have to admit this film has created an upheavel of oppinions and many a truths, For that I am gratefull. One aspect of this film has not been hit on, at least that I can find. Soldiers, the undercurrent of the Marines attacking is simply kill the enemy. As the colonel stated, the MONKEYS in their trees, or whatever. And so the slaughter begins, the attempted genocide, the enemy is defined by the full bird in command. Therfore the troops respond, yes sir, yes sir 3 bags full sir. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die. It reminded me of getting on a jet and landing in another country, it could have been another planet for all intents and purposes. Once there, folks, there is not taxi home, no plane rides, ZIP. Your are there and in order to survive either you fight or are jailed. Despite the fact you may be aware that the war you find yourself in is strictly a cash register for the elites. To late to go home my freinds, you are in the valley of death. Your enemy is fighting for their nation, they are seeking to free their people from the invaders, to save their people from the blanket bombing and slagughter..YES, I refer to Vietnam,( as is Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan,yemon, etc) it was a tool for the MIC, elites and profiteers. We are hopefully all aware of that fact. Grunts, cannon fodder, numbers, nothings, zeros to the elites, worms in their breeding grounds sent to war, maby survive unscathed physically, or killed, or maimed , or crippled for the sake of the elites profit and their might and power increased. Why the rant. The one thing that got to me was the fact that these brainwashed soldiers, conditioned human beings, were killed. Ok, the plot left no other recourse, the inhabitants were defending their people. As are the inhabitants of the mutiple nations our regime has ordered invaded. ( I wish I could do one liners). Yes, this hits home. I was blessed, I could have been court martialed for leaving a sniper unit, long story, but I professed my desire to defend not attack to make it short. Even in those days, though I had very little faith, the God I pray to, the one that wispered in my ear, conscience, protected me from being forced to remain in this kill crazy squad. Had I stayed, in all honesty, I most likey would have suicided at some point, either there or at home. I mean that!! My point, our military if defensive only, I'd probably would have remained. It is not, and these kids in the boots are up shiiits creek, the same as the ones on the attack in that film. I was in Blackhorse 11ACR for a few months, our commander was Colonel Patton (The Jr). Have you ever met a lunatic backed by the power totaly, take a look at this please. This was his parting prayer to his men and the uppers as high command was there also.. God, our Heavenly Father, hear our prayer. We acknowledge our shortcomings and ask thy help in being better soldiers for thee. Grant us, O Lord, those things we need to do they work more effectively. Give us this day a gun that will fire ten thousands rounds a second, a napalm that will burn for a week. Help us to bring death and destruction wherever we go, for we do it in thy name and therefore it is meet and just. We thank thee for this war, fully mindful that, while it is not the best of all wars, it is better than no war at all. We remember that Christ said "I come not to send peace, but a sword," and we pledge ourselves in all our works to be like Him. Forget not the least of thy children as they hide from us in the jungles; bring them under our merciful hand that we may end their suffering. In all things, O God, assit us, for we do our noble work in the knowledge that only with they help can we avoid the catastrophe of peace that threatens us ever. All of which we ask in the name of thy son, George Patton. Amen.A pyscotic, backed by Abrahms and every other big dog. A FN loony pysco. He reminds me of the colonel on the film. What do you think this pysco would do to you if you put your Rifle on the ground and said to him FK the war. Have I hit a note here with anyone, I realize that I may focus on aspects that are out of the mainstream, but this one hit me. How many American sons must die, how many innocents?? War is the elites sociopathic chess game, we are the pawns drowning in their deceptions. Any country without a national conscience is doomed to self implode or remain in perpetual war and domestic domination. Thge powers on high are well aware of this. Truthers are not simply defending their freedom, they are listening to and defending their souls as well. |
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« Reply #370 on: December 31, 2009, 03:36:13 PM » |
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Hi S. Heck of nice job on those quotes,+100. They should be tagged and run for the new folks. In fact it would be nice to see them run by our MSM, no doubt it would never happen.
I have to admit this film has created an upheavel of oppinions and many a truths, For that I am gratefull.
One aspect of this film has not been hit on, at least that I can find.
Soldiers, the undercurrent of the Marines attacking is simply kill the enemy. As the colonel stated, the MONKEYS in their trees, or whatever.
And so the slaughter begins, the attempted genocide, the enemy is defined by the full bird in command. Therfore the troops respond, yes sir, yes sir 3 bags full sir. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die.
It reminded me of getting on a jet and landing in another country, it could have been another planet for all intents and purposes.
Once there, folks, there is not taxi home, no plane rides, ZIP. Your are there and in order to survive either you fight or are jailed. Despite the fact you may be aware that the war you find yourself in is strictly a cash register for the elites. To late to go home my freinds, you are in the valley of death.
Your enemy is fighting for their nation, they are seeking to free their people from the invaders, to save their people from the blanket bombing and slagughter..YES, I refer to Vietnam,( as is Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan,yemon, etc) it was a tool for the MIC, elites and profiteers. We are hopefully all aware of that fact.
Grunts, cannon fodder, numbers, nothings, zeros to the elites, worms in their breeding grounds sent to war, maby survive unscathed physically, or killed, or maimed , or crippled for the sake of the elites profit and their might and power increased.
Why the rant. The one thing that got to me was the fact that these brainwashed soldiers, conditioned human beings, were killed. Ok, the plot left no other recourse, the inhabitants were defending their people.
As are the inhabitants of the mutiple nations our regime has ordered invaded. ( I wish I could do one liners).
Yes, this hits home. I was blessed, I could have been court martialed for leaving a sniper unit, long story, but I professed my desire to defend not attack to make it short. Even in those days, though I had very little faith, the God I pray to, the one that wispered in my ear, conscience, protected me from being forced to remain in this kill crazy squad. Had I stayed, in all honesty, I most likey would have suicided at some point, either there or at home. I mean that!!
My point, our military if defensive only, I'd probably would have remained. It is not, and these kids in the boots are up shiiits creek, the same as the ones on the attack in that film.
I was in Blackhorse 11ACR for a few months, our commander was Colonel Patton (The Jr). Have you ever met a lunatic backed by the power totaly, take a look at this please. This was his parting prayer to his men and the uppers as high command was there also..
God, our Heavenly Father, hear our prayer. We acknowledge our shortcomings and ask thy help in being better soldiers for thee. Grant us, O Lord, those things we need to do they work more effectively. Give us this day a gun that will fire ten thousands rounds a second, a napalm that will burn for a week. Help us to bring death and destruction wherever we go, for we do it in thy name and therefore it is meet and just. We thank thee for this war, fully mindful that, while it is not the best of all wars, it is better than no war at all. We remember that Christ said "I come not to send peace, but a sword," and we pledge ourselves in all our works to be like Him. Forget not the least of thy children as they hide from us in the jungles; bring them under our merciful hand that we may end their suffering. In all things, O God, assit us, for we do our noble work in the knowledge that only with they help can we avoid the catastrophe of peace that threatens us ever. All of which we ask in the name of thy son, George Patton. Amen.
A pyscotic, backed by Abrahms and every other big dog. A FN loony pysco.
He reminds me of the colonel on the film. What do you think this pysco would do to you if you put your Rifle on the ground and said to him FK the war.
Have I hit a note here with anyone, I realize that I may focus on aspects that are out of the mainstream, but this one hit me.
How many American sons must die, how many innocents?? War is the elites sociopathic chess game, we are the pawns drowning in their deceptions.
Any country without a national conscience is doomed to self implode or remain in perpetual war and domestic domination. Thge powers on high are well aware of this.
Truthers are not simply defending their freedom, they are listening to and defending their souls as well. I saw that as well Chris! I also saw the psycho Col. punch the handicapped man in the face! That should have illustrated precisely how grunts are just walking sandbags for the elite. Also was it noticed the constant promise of getting Jake his legs back. Nevermind that he lost the use of them while fighting for his country in the first place. I noted how it is mentioned at the front of the movie that the economy and lack of Veteran benefits precluded him from the necessary surgery. Those topics are true in today's world as it is in the movie. |
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« Reply #371 on: December 31, 2009, 03:44:09 PM » |
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« Reply #372 on: December 31, 2009, 07:46:10 PM » |
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What may or may not happen at that time is speculation.
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« Reply #373 on: December 31, 2009, 11:20:09 PM » |
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I totally agree.
This thread has gone off the rails. I guess an absurd title change is enough to gather the sheep. No need to think after that, just follow. As with many things, time will be the judge.
DavidB, luckee1, Chris Jones, Monkeypox, I'm with you.
In answer to your challenge, I did get in to see the movie. (Didn't pay for it - went to another one that sucked big time and so we went next door) My teenage son and I lasted all of about 20 mins and were both creeped out unbelievably. And he mentioned it first - looked at me and said, "Mom - I cannot watch this. I just get a bad feeling. Can we leave? " And I had not mentioned a thing about any imagery, Cameron - nothing. And he's familiar with NWO symbols and coded language but knew nothing about Cameron in particular. Only the 3rd movie in my life that I have ever walked out on............My gut instinct served me right yet again. Blegh.................  |
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« Reply #374 on: January 01, 2010, 02:27:16 AM » |
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now THAT is an interesting post - okay, I'll admit, I've not seen this film yet. I know, I know... so I have to stop rattling on about 'it should be a rallying cry to action for FREE PLANET' and see it. Period. I did get a VERY SIMILAR sense of the sinister at play while reviewing the recent THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL for VideoVista. In answer to your challenge, I did get in to see the movie. (Didn't pay for it - went to another one that sucked big time and so we went next door) My teenage son and I lasted all of about 20 mins and were both creeped out unbelievably. And he mentioned it first - looked at me and said, "Mom - I cannot watch this. I just get a bad feeling. Can we leave? " And I had not mentioned a thing about any imagery, Cameron - nothing. And he's familiar with NWO symbols and coded language but knew nothing about Cameron in particular. Only the 3rd movie in my life that I have ever walked out on............My gut instinct served me right yet again.
PS: lovely quotes splurge from Sane, especially but not exclusively this, "This is a moment to seize. The kaleidoscope has been shaken, the pieces are in flux, soon they will settle again. Before they do, let us re-order this world around us." Tony Blair, Tuesday, 2 October, 2001 (check the date - what a bastard - in context of what we learned thanks to Alex & co.). |
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« Reply #375 on: January 01, 2010, 09:30:06 AM » |
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This movie gave me the same sick feeling in my stomach that Dora the Explorer did when she said that humans are overfishing and polluting the rivers and oceans and my son came back and told me that "dora says we need to clean up the ocean because we're killing all the fish"....WE are not killing anything, the global elite want to kill US AND the biosphere. They claim to "love the earth" but in all actuality, they've been attacking the human genome and attacking the planet with their own technology that's gotten out of control (gene splicing, genetic modification, etc) for decades...and now they want us to think that they're on "our side" and "want to help us make the earth a better place"...when really, they want us all to kill ourselves. Really. They would much prefer global suicide so they can maintain their holdings on the planet's resources and not have to institute dramatic population reduction strategies against the people's will--that whole plan can get really ugly sometimes (just ask Stalin, Hitler, or Mao about that one).
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« Reply #376 on: January 01, 2010, 01:32:49 PM » |
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This movie gave me the same sick feeling in my stomach that Dora the Explorer did when she said that humans are overfishing and polluting the rivers and oceans and my son came back and told me that "dora says we need to clean up the ocean because we're killing all the fish"....WE are not killing anything, the global elite want to kill US AND the biosphere. They claim to "love the earth" but in all actuality, they've been attacking the human genome and attacking the planet with their own technology that's gotten out of control (gene splicing, genetic modification, etc) for decades...and now they want us to think that they're on "our side" and "want to help us make the earth a better place"...when really, they want us all to kill ourselves. Really. They would much prefer global suicide so they can maintain their holdings on the planet's resources and not have to institute dramatic population reduction strategies against the people's will--that whole plan can get really ugly sometimes (just ask Stalin, Hitler, or Mao about that one).
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« Reply #377 on: January 01, 2010, 01:35:25 PM » |
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I totally agree.
This thread has gone off the rails. I guess an absurd title change is enough to gather the sheep. No need to think after that, just follow. As with many things, time will be the judge.
DavidB, luckee1, Chris Jones, Monkeypox, I'm with you.
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« Reply #378 on: January 01, 2010, 01:47:24 PM » |
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« Reply #379 on: January 01, 2010, 02:41:47 PM » |
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I'm aghast - even Zeitgeist didn't drag this many uhhg-lee skeletons and axe-grinders out of their closets.
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« Reply #380 on: January 01, 2010, 02:48:19 PM » |
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In answer to your challenge, I did get in to see the movie. (Didn't pay for it - went to another one that sucked big time and so we went next door) My teenage son and I lasted all of about 20 mins and were both creeped out unbelievably. And he mentioned it first - looked at me and said, "Mom - I cannot watch this. I just get a bad feeling. Can we leave? " And I had not mentioned a thing about any imagery, Cameron - nothing. And he's familiar with NWO symbols and coded language but knew nothing about Cameron in particular. Only the 3rd movie in my life that I have ever walked out on............My gut instinct served me right yet again. Blegh................. First off by sneaking into the movie you obviously didn't get a pair of 3d glasses so you missed the whole novelty of the film. Also very strange for you to movie hop with your child good lord that is some seedy stuff, you get caught you, your wife and your child get ejected from the theater, bad scene right there. I liked the movie and saw it as more as anti-war than enviroganda. I guess the key is do you live life with constant disdain for everything establishment produced(meaning everything ) or do you take from it what you enjoy and discard the rest. I chose to ignore the propoganda that i don't agree with and take from it what i do agree with. Take Alex's show for instance there are elements of his show I dislike yet I take from it what I like and as a result it is an excellent program. This is the same with Avatar. When I watch it i see a very strong anti-imperialist message and an anti-war stance and a painting of military as terrorists, i ignored the other messages and enjoyed the action. I agree with these things and these days never see them in films so i liked it. Everything is NWO produced you can't just go through life being afraid of it just take what you will from the films to meet your own needs as entertainment, we all need entertainment. For the record Alex Jones bought the Watchmen on Blu Ray.  |
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« Reply #381 on: January 01, 2010, 04:10:16 PM » |
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First off by sneaking into the movie you obviously didn't get a pair of 3d glasses so you missed the whole novelty of the film. Also very strange for you to movie hop with your child good lord that is some seedy stuff, you get caught you, your wife and your child get ejected from the theater, bad scene right there. I liked the movie and saw it as more as anti-war than enviroganda. I guess the key is do you live life with constant disdain for everything establishment produced(meaning everything ) or do you take from it what you enjoy and discard the rest. I chose to ignore the propoganda that i don't agree with and take from it what i do agree with. Take Alex's show for instance there are elements of his show I dislike yet I take from it what I like and as a result it is an excellent program. This is the same with Avatar. When I watch it i see a very strong anti-imperialist message and an anti-war stance and a painting of military as terrorists, i ignored the other messages and enjoyed the action. I agree with these things and these days never see them in films so i liked it. Everything is NWO produced you can't just go through life being afraid of it just take what you will from the films to meet your own needs as entertainment, we all need entertainment. For the record Alex Jones bought the Watchmen on Blu Ray. Actually, we both got a pair of the glasses - they were all in a big box as you went into the theater. So, we were both suitably 'equipped' to view Cameron's masterpiece. And quite frankly, I believe YOU should take some responsibility for our movie-hopping since you voiced the opinion that I couldn't possibly comment on a movie without actually 'seeing' the movie. And since I refuse to put any money in Cameron's pocket personally - that was my only option. We did pay for 'a movie', we just saw a different one. And not even half of it, so the theater got their money quite frankly. My 'child' is 17 years old., the target audience for "Avatar", but he was born with a marvelous sense of discernment, thank GOD.  And yes, almost everything is NWO produced - I just prefer my indoctrination to be a little more subtle, I suppose. And since Alex is a researcher, I would assume he needs copies of material in order to point out the NWO imagery, etc. My goodness, I even have a copy of the Watchmen comic myself. (someone gave me) For research purposes, of course. |
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« Reply #382 on: January 01, 2010, 08:26:01 PM » |
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Christopher was majorly upset by the dissected Prawns, and he said that he will not let his people be medical experiments.
He told Wikus several times that he'd be back in 3 years. I doubt he's coming back alone, and I doubt the Prawns will be coming in peace...
But we still don't know what will be in the second movie (if it's made, which it probably will be). Coming in peace? Probably not. But not necessarily to enslave the humans, or "give as much as they got" back, or indeed to do anything but retrieve the other Prawns that were left behind. Even if they do, we don't know what the response will be, or how it will be told, or how it will be spun. The movie did a good job of showing the humans (though still largely "racist") as having varied and diverse opinions about the Prawns and their treatment. It's all speculation other than that Chris will (most likely) return with allies and/or tech to help him rescue his people and because it's a movie: that there will be one or more conflicts as a result. |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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You're not going to like it whether the military industrial complex destroyed the navi or whether or not the navi reputed the humans on Pandora. The movie is simply predictive programming to get the herd to think Green. As long as saving indigenous tribes fit the agenda of the oligarchy, then so be it. Put ' saving the Navi, ' an insight to deep philosophical ideals 'into the movie Avatar. The second agenda of Avatar was to show or introduce the level of weaponry the New World Order does have if the rebels fight back against the NWO. Perhaps the Military industrial complex wanted to show off their high tech toys in front of the proles.
About eating fish and over-polluting, I am a bit compromised on that part. I do not eat meat and I try to keep my energy usage to a minimal. I do not buy leather shoes anymore. But I do drive a car.If being green that means that I am NWO agenda, so be it. I personally believe that recycling, saving forests and economizing land is of utmost priority for Mother Earth. I also believe being humane to teaching humans to recycle, eat healthy, eat less meat, and live in more condensed cities would have been an apropos way of going about business.
I actually would love to have 10 billion on Planet earth. I believe that we can be green and support 10 Billion human souls. SO in that sense, I disagree about culling the planet of humans.
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In answer to your challenge, I did get in to see the movie. (Didn't pay for it - went to another one that sucked big time and so we went next door) My teenage son and I lasted all of about 20 mins and were both creeped out unbelievably. And he mentioned it first - looked at me and said, "Mom - I cannot watch this. I just get a bad feeling. Can we leave? " And I had not mentioned a thing about any imagery, Cameron - nothing. And he's familiar with NWO symbols and coded language but knew nothing about Cameron in particular. Only the 3rd movie in my life that I have ever walked out on............My gut instinct served me right yet again. Blegh................. your story MADE MY NIGHT! It is so good to hear about a young man who is immune. Gives me hope. Sounds like you raised up a great kid who thinks for himself. It is no small thing to have great instincts; maybe one of the most important things. That said, I don't necessarily think anyone who goes and sees this movie and likes it is a brainwashed idiot. Quite the contrary. I absolutely love the diversity of opinion being waged in a fairly civil fashion on this thread. I think people are just flat out affected differently by input/stimulus, and I'd be an arrogant idiot if I made those sort of judgments. But can I offer an opinion? yes, and thanks for listening. |
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Piltdown Man: I think people are just flat out affected differently by input/stimulus Most art/poetry/mythology has multiple layers of understanding ... the 'third below the obvious' as they say. Some people only see the obvious story ... the whole onion, as it were ... others are able to peel back one layer, or two, or three to reveal deeper, obscure meanings ... and only the 'initiate' can perceive the occult core. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check out this revelation about PINOCCHIO: ~~~ O ~~~  The Esoteric Interpretation of PinocchioDec 28th, 2009 | By Vigilant Released in 1940, Pinocchio is a Disney classic still appreciated by children and adults around the world. However, the story of this wooden marionette conceals a great spiritual allegory based on esoteric teachings, which is rarely discussed. We will look at the origins of this animated adventure and its underlying meaning. I first watched Pinocchio as a child on a poorly recorded VHS tape with my little brother while eating Fugee-O’s. I enjoyed the catchy tunes and Jiminy Cricket. I was, however, terrified by the Coachman and I did not quite like the underwater part. That’s pretty much what I remembered of this Disney classic until recently. On a lazy Sunday night, I came across the “digitally remastered” movie on TV and I watched it “for old time’s sake”. What was supposed to be a fun trip down memory lane became a shocking revelation: Pinocchio was one of the deepest movies I’ve ever watched. Could it be a huge allegory about spirituality and modern society? Did I detect hints of initiation into occult Mysteries? I immediately started to research Pinocchio’s origins and all of my theories were abundantly confirmed. Needless to say, this movie is now a staple in today’s popular culture. How many people have NOT watched this movie? On the other hand, how many people are aware of Pinocchio’s true underlying meaning? Behind the story of the marionette trying to become a good boy is a deep spiritual story that has its roots in Mystery schools of occultism. Through the eyes of an initiate, the children’s story about “being good” filled with lessons about ”not lying” becomes a man’s quest for wisdom and spiritual enlightenment. The brutally honest social commentaries of Pinnochio depicts a grim vision of our modern world and prescribes, perhaps, a way to escape its traps. Through the author’s background and literary references, one can understand the hidden gnostic meaning of Pinocchio. Pinocchio’s OriginsPinocchio was originally written by Carlo Lorenzini (known by his pen name, Carlo Collodi) between 1881 and 1883 in Italy. Lorenzini began his writing career in newspapers (Il Lampione and Il Fanfulla ), where he often used satire to express his political views. In 1875, he entered the world of children’s literature and used this outlet to transmit his political convictions. The series Giannettino, for example, often referred to the unification of Italy. “Lorenzini became fascinated by the idea of using an amiable, rascally character as a means of expressing his own convictions through allegory. In 1880 he began writing Storia di un burattino (“The story of a marionette”), also called Le Avventure di Pinocchio, which was published weekly in Il Giornale dei Bambini (the first Italian newspaper for children).” -Source Le Avventure di Pinocchio, a fairy tale describing the adventures of a stubborn marionette in his quest to become a real boy, was published in 1883.  SIRIUS? When you wish upon a star ... Lorenzini’s work was not solely political. His writings, especially Le Avventure di Pinocchio contained a great deal of metaphysical aspects that are often overlooked by modern readers. One important fact needed to fully understand the depth of Lorenzini’s work is that he was an active Freemason. In an essay called Pinocchio, mio Fratello (Pinocchio, my Brother) Italian Freemason Giovanni Malevolti describes the Masonic background of Lorenzini: “Carlo Collodi’s initiation into Freemasonry, even if cannot be found in any official records, is universally recognized and often referred to. Aldo Mola, a non-mason who is generally defined as an official historian of Freemasonry, has expressed with great certitude the writer’s initiation into the Masonic family. Events in Collodi’s life seem to further confirm this thesis: the creation in 1848 of a paper called “Il Lampione” (The Beacon), which, as stated by Lorenzini, “illuminated all who were teetering in darkness”; he also considered himself a “passionate disciple of Mazzini” (a prominent Italian Freemason and revolutionary).” Collodi can also be found in this document published by The Grand Lodge of All England listing famous Freemasons.  BLUE FAIRY Malevolti continues: “There are two ways to read “The Adventures of Pinocchio”. The first is what I would call “profane” where the reader, most probably a child, learns about the mishaps of the wooden puppet. The second is a reading from a Masonic point of view, where heavy symbolism will complete, without replacing, the simple and lineary narration of events”. - Giovanni Malevolti, Pinocchio, mio Fratello (free translation) Lorenzini wrote Pinocchio following the long tradition of mystic texts: a simple narrative story that can be enjoyed by the masses with a hidden meaning reserved to those “in the know.” VERY INTERESTING .... LOTS MORE .... CONTINUED: http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3016~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ OOOOO ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ |
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« Reply #386 on: January 01, 2010, 09:35:30 PM » |
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Piltdown Man:
Most art/poetry/mythology has multiple layers of understanding ... the 'third below the obvious' as they say. Some people only see the obvious story ... the whole onion, as it were ... others are able to peel back one layer, or two, or three to reveal deeper, obscure meanings ... and only the 'initiate' can perceive the occult core.
There was an article this morning, about a "Biblical Scholar" named Camping, who once predicted that the End of the World (or at least the Rapture) would occur on Sept. 6th, 1994. This was based on his using a mathematical system where he saw hidden meanings and prophecy within the Bible. Apparently, he was undeterred, and figured he must have made a mathematical error. Likewise, his radio show has gone undeterred, expanding into 48 different languages and having full access to Chinese radio. His new date for the (popularized version of) Rapture is May 21st, 2011. Personally, from what I could read, it seemed he seriously believes that crap, at least enough to be able to sell it. The thing is, he seems to have forgotten the whole "Only God knows [when]" the End would come. 70 years and forgot to read part of it. In any event, my point is this, see also: What do you mean it's not: Political: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleqb3pv82b?from=Main.WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPoliticalSymbolic: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlebqmxtrir9bav?from=Main.WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolicDidactic: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitledz7rgdh9wrk1?from=Main.WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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« Reply #387 on: January 02, 2010, 12:09:10 AM » |
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Piltdown Man: Most art/poetry/mythology has multiple layers of understanding ... the 'third below the obvious' as they say. Some people only see the obvious story ... the whole onion, as it were ... others are able to peel back one layer, or two, or three to reveal deeper, obscure meanings ... and only the 'initiate' can perceive the occult core. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Check out this revelation about PINOCCHIO:
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thanks for the link! Fascinating Pinocchio stuff. One of the few purely "upside" occult allegories. In fact it's not even technically occult, as this individual search for "real" connection to the divine through disciplined self-awareness has been the open teaching of all main religions; Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Christian, Sufi, Muslim, etc. If all Masonic teaching was in this vein, if Masons had simply celebrated the stripped down human search for divine knowledge: surviving pitfalls of mindless pleasure, distraction, deception etc: surviving trauma/test and personal challenge to reach "enlightenment" (realization of divinity through love), I wouldn't have a bit of problem with it. so, where/when the hell did the Masons go so terribly, genocidally, soul killingly WRONG? |
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« Reply #388 on: January 02, 2010, 12:24:05 AM » |
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Interesting...
I never liked Pinocchio as a child. Never liked the Wizard of Oz, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter etc. The only Sci Fi I could stomach was that of one of the most ingeneous (non-manipulative) sci fi creators of all time: Rod Serling. He "presented for your consideration", he did not manipulate your lower senses.
I'm a "To Kill A Mockingbird" type of fan. I like straightforward no magic stories about ordinary people struggling to be human. I like stories that bring the everyday irony and complexity of being alive into focus. I like untidy endings that don't falsely resolve, but rather mirror life's unpredictable, perfect whimsy.
I can sense hidden "teaching" a mile a way, and just don't want it.
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« Reply #389 on: January 02, 2010, 12:46:10 AM » |
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The current model CANNOT ACCOMMODATE another three billion people, and I'm not talking about feeding or housing, I'm talking about a accommodating i.e. within the profit/loss account of the global agenda. A world of ten billion would be a beautiful thing but WHAT CRIMINAL WAR-FOR-PROFIT TAX-FOR-BREATHING POISONED-FOOD-WATER-POPULACE SYSTEM CAN SUPPORT THAT? Big changes need to happen for it all to stay the same. I actually would love to have 10 billion on Planet earth. I believe that we can be green and support 10 Billion human souls. SO in that sense, I disagree about culling the planet of humans.
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« Reply #390 on: January 02, 2010, 12:54:20 AM » |
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The current model CANNOT ACCOMMODATE another three billion people, and I'm not talking about feeding or housing, I'm talking about a accommodating i.e. within the profit/loss account of the global agenda.
A world of ten billion would be a beautiful thing but WHAT CRIMINAL WAR-FOR-PROFIT TAX-FOR-BREATHING POISONED-FOOD-WATER-POPULACE SYSTEM CAN SUPPORT THAT?
Big changes need to happen for it all to stay the same.
Current models are only as current as the present moment. systems can change rapidly we are not in charge |
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« Reply #391 on: January 02, 2010, 12:58:19 AM » |
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We are in charge.
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« Reply #392 on: January 02, 2010, 01:40:35 AM » |
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fixed. we are in charge yes we are not in charge yes again we are not in charge of global warming; the sun is we are in charge of how we use our resources i was talking about the BIGGER systems |
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« Reply #393 on: January 02, 2010, 03:04:04 AM » |
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then you should have said, "We have allowed ourselves to lose charge." or something of that ilk ... plus, government knows that YOU THE PEOPLE control the bigger systems, that's what they're afraid we'll all find out. It's our money, created from our sweat and tears and blood. The know this. They are afraid of us. We are in control.... of their bigger system. I was talking about the BIGGER systems
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« Reply #394 on: January 02, 2010, 03:12:24 AM » |
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But we still don't know what will be in the second movie (if it's made, which it probably will be). Coming in peace? Probably not. But not necessarily to enslave the humans, or "give as much as they got" back, or indeed to do anything but retrieve the other Prawns that were left behind.
Even if they do, we don't know what the response will be, or how it will be told, or how it will be spun. The movie did a good job of showing the humans (though still largely "racist") as having varied and diverse opinions about the Prawns and their treatment.
It's all speculation other than that Chris will (most likely) return with allies and/or tech to help him rescue his people and because it's a movie: that there will be one or more conflicts as a result.
I guess if there is a 2nd movie and they are coming back that one of the conflict point might be that they want all the tech back and of course the military will have something against that. Or from the medical experiments they found a profitable use for the prawns and now dont want them to be taken away. I watched the movie a few days ago and found the documentary style quite good. Even if Peter Jacksons name wasnt shown at the beginning you would clearly have recognized his style if you know the early movies of him, which were very gory but kinda funny like Braindead. District 9 was funny too in some evil way... look here, just pull the plug and instant abortion hahaha... you hear the popping sound? its like popcorn when that whats left of the little guy pops out of the egg... and so on. |
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« Reply #395 on: January 02, 2010, 12:43:24 PM » |
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Christopher was majorly upset by the dissected Prawns, and he said that he will not let his people be medical experiments.
He told Wikus several times that he'd be back in 3 years. I doubt he's coming back alone, and I doubt the Prawns will be coming in peace...
The versions i seen to date the prawns didn't have their speech subtitled. I remember Wikus sayin' in the lab room, during the gunfight, to Chris ''Never mind that now" or something when the alien was pissed at seeing the experiments. |
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« Reply #396 on: January 02, 2010, 01:28:49 PM » |
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The versions i seen to date the prawns didn't have their speech subtitled.
I remember Wikus sayin' in the lab room, during the gunfight, to Chris ''Never mind that now"
or something when the alien was pissed at seeing the experiments.
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« Reply #398 on: January 03, 2010, 10:07:42 AM » |
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ChrisJones wrote Truthers are not simply defending their freedom, they are listening to and defending their souls as well. +10000000 No doubt my motivation for standing with the truth. It can all seem futile here in 3D world, but im guarding my soul and the rest can fall where it may. This movie gave me the same sick feeling in my stomach that Dora the Explorer did when she said that humans are overfishing and polluting the rivers and oceans and my son came back and told me that "dora says we need to clean up the ocean because we're killing all the fish"....WE are not killing anything, the global elite want to kill US AND the biosphere. They claim to "love the earth" but in all actuality, they've been attacking the human genome and attacking the planet with their own technology that's gotten out of control (gene splicing, genetic modification, etc) for decades...and now they want us to think that they're on "our side" and "want to help us make the earth a better place"...when really, they want us all to kill ourselves. Really. They would much prefer global suicide so they can maintain their holdings on the planet's resources and not have to institute dramatic population reduction strategies against the people's will--that whole plan can get really ugly sometimes (just ask Stalin, Hitler, or Mao about that one).
While I do agree with the lot of your post, I know firsthand the fishing isnt anything remotely close to what it used to be. My direct experience is along the delaware and maryland coast and bays. As a kid would catch fish there till your heart was content. The last 20 years has drastically changed that. I have not caught a big enough flounder to eat there since about 1986 when we went out in the bay and caught enough to feed about 20 of us to the gills...also Grandpa notes you have to travel a whole lot farther out to fish for tuna then in the past. Sane wrote Evil theiving war mongering imperialist pigs v. interplanetary copulating beastiality hive mind demons and dragons whose mission is to conduct sustainable development paganistic rituals with communistic rationing of faux-scarce resources as they conduct anti-human re-education. +1 I can see that. |
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« Reply #399 on: January 03, 2010, 10:10:52 AM » |
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there was just a 'news item' on BBC TV about the fact that the Falkland Islands pengiuns can't find enough (fish) to eat this year and do you know what they said?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY FUCKING SAID?
GLOBAL
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WARMING
aka Climate Change. Not OVER FISHING and QUOTAS that mean a vast percentage of each catch is THROWN BACK INTO THE WATER DEAD.
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