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I agree. I will add my own observations:
The Navi's planet, with its indigenous populations ability to communicate with it was an ultimate example of of network science, net-centricity. Kind of like if you took the AI from the movie Eagle Eye, and it expanded beyond its current constraints of existing within the digital realm, to one in which it fully merges with Bio-Cogno-Info-Nano--the goal of DARPA/NWO. DARPA's self-healing networks, where the network is no longer just a tool, but is a weapon in and of itself, but now part of all life, and the very planet itself--to ensure permanent resilience, survivability, preservation of itself. Again a major goal of the NWO.
So in this respect it is odd that this advantage, this net-centric environment was naturally woven into the core of the alien race and their entire planet, and that their enemy was portrayed in what we would currently recognize and regard as the NWO, did not have the same advantage of such a level of network centric characteristics (this part is a psyop, because the bad guys would in fact have all of this technology, not the other way around--that or at least both would be on a level playing field.
I honestly enjoyed the movie because I cannot be conditioned (or even if I am, no matter how subtly, I will later detect it and correct my perspective based on truth). I was able to pull a lot from it, and the 3D effect was really pretty amazing and very immersing. I perceived the NWO military juggernaut as weak throughout. It is as though that the director almost wanted to show us how we would have to defeat the NWO, by us utilizing net centric warfare against our enemy to be able to defeat them. The only way that net centric warfare can work is for everyone to be aligned with the truth. It works for the NWO (for evil) because they are aligned with evil itself, and evil operates as a force of one mind. The NWO does not need a leader, because the evils within human nature will make sure that enough "nodes" are always in place to continue forth with their agenda. We only believe that we need a leader in the war against tyranny because we have been conditioned such.
There is no one correct interpretation of this film, there are many facets to it, and many ways to look at the same aspects of it without necessarily being incorrect.
Thank you, these replies were exactly what I was hoping to hear.. Yes AI I found it interesting how Cameron did it-- very deep, I found the destruction of the Tree to be a very profound scene, reminiscent of 911, and deep remorse for our actions. I couldn't help but enjoy this movie too because I cannot be brainwashed either. Like I said, It gave me a number of mixed emotions. Some of it made me really question-- while the whole of it was just excellent. I say well done, he totally destroyed Lucas CG. |
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And another thread highjacked by (in)Sane. You least deserve to be a moderator... seriously... renaming threads basicly f**king with the original author to make him look like some loon cause everyone thinks he wrote the title and then bringing triumph of the will into it. What is wrong with you? You didnt even write any comparisation between those two movies just some atuff about triumph of the will. Isnt there a thread for that already? Do you have to spam this one full of crap that isnt even closely related? Geez...
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And another thread highjacked by (in)Sane. You least deserve to be a moderator... seriously... renaming threads basicly f**king with the original author to make him look like some loon cause everyone thinks he wrote the title and then bringing triumph of the will into it. What is wrong with you? You didnt even write any comparisation between those two movies just some atuff about triumph of the will. Isnt there a thread for that already? Do you have to spam this one full of crap that isnt even closely related? Geez...
have you talked with the author/OP about this? You do realize this is like over 5 threads merged together right? Do you have a suggestion or is this just generic ninny nannying? have you read through the thread? triumph of the will used propaganda to sell the idea of changing an entire populations social structure to support a new world order. this movie does the same. triumph of the willing promoted nazi madness, this movie promotes the gaia religion (by all accounts) which most people do not inherently support. as far as triumph of the will being pro "war" and avatar seemingto be "anti-war", it is BS IMO. This is just the next step in the NWO's plans. they always planned on eventually ending the full war doctrine when they could gain a totally compliant slave society who understands that each individual is just a complete jar hear (tabula rasa) for the scientific technocracy (see H.G. Wells "Things to Come", read his book New World Order, read brave new world, read brzezinski's America's Role in the Technetronic Age, read Behold a Pale Horse, watch end game, iron mountain, zeitgeist, the esoteric agenda, thx1138, 2010. logan's run, soylent green, future world, and over 1,000 other conditioning media/predictive programming initiatives/elite handbooks/declassified documents and other items). Some may think that the police state is the final solution when it is just a means tothe scientific technocracy where all humans are blue beamed/programmed cattle in service to a hive mind thinking they are leading their own destiny when in actuality it was created by a psychotic social architect long ago. It is truly the most vile and disgusting tragic vision of humanity because it will extinguish it forever. But that is like just my opinion man. I agree with CLIVE STAPLES LEWIS:  Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. |
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the apocalypse is upon us! As the release date for Zack Snyder's mega-budget adaptation of the beloved graphic novel about a band of alternate-reality superheroes approached, one question had fans (and bloggers) aflutter: Would audience members be treated to the sight of Watchman Dr. Manhattan's glowing blue super junk? In a bold move on Snyder's part, the answer was yes. Superhero audiences aren't generally known for their nonchalance toward male nudity, and yet there it was: a bright, flaccid, computer-generated appendage, attached to one of the film's titular heroes. It's likely the most high-profile animated penis in mainstream American film (except, perhaps, Bart Simpson's bizarre full frontal in "The Simpsons Movie") -- and surely the most expensive. |
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2009, 10:45:44 AM » |
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I have not seen avatar, but I can't help to draw parralells between ancient sandscript and the storys from the Bhagavad Gita and the The Mahabharata. Of course I haven't read all of these ancient scripts, but avatar and even star wars clearly are based on these types of stories. Giant blue beings, wars of the gods, humans can shapeshift into these creatures, multiple inhabitated worlds, the chosen one. It's Like saying Harry Potter is in any way origanal( It's Not) http://audio-books-online.net/Bhagavad_Gita/Bhagavad_Gita_Lg.jpghttp://www.bhagavad-gita.org/DiscipleSuccession/pics/pic10.jpgI always seen blue people as a indus valley culture thing, but body paint was used all over America too, and the rest of the world. People always trying to elevate them selfs into gods, or trying to look like gods. http://www.bnr-art.com/challeng/images/shaman2.jpghttp://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2007/09/native_american_in_body_paint.jpghttp://www.eso-garden.com/images/uploads_bilder/handbook_of_native_american_mythology_1.jpghttp://wwww.yogithought.com/express/images/uploads/srimad_bhagavad_gita.jpgIn Egypt osirus was green. http://www.kenseamedia.com/egyptian_gods/images/osiris_isis_horus.jpgI can't help seeing the alegory of the mystery religoins in hollywood over and over. http://www.fabbricantidiuniversi.it/harrypotter/immagini/voldemort1.jpghttp://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/avatar-movie-poster.jpghttp://babbleon5.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/avatar_movie_still.jpgSimilar yet different. Stephan king's Sleepwalkers were probably aliens http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/Taliesin_ttlg/sleepwalkers/sleepwalkers_catty.jpg |
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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2009, 10:59:13 AM » |
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This movie seems to captivate everyone that walks in to a theater. Like moths, they can't take their eyes from it. And tell other moths how beautiful it is. Seemingly hypnotized. The reaction of people after the movie scares the shit out of me, lol. Never experienced that kind of divotion to make other people go see it. Should I see it? I love Sci Fi. And a good story. Movie seems to have nailed it spot on, apparently. Should I grab a friend and see it? Get the feeling this movie is a huge market ploy. People tend to go back to this movie for seconds, maybe thirds. I know some brainwashing is taking place, duh. Think I'm gonna see it.
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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2009, 12:31:18 PM » |
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Personally,
I think the most heinous crime will be OUR OWN YOUTH who'll embrace the New World Order like the Hitler Youth embraced their era's tyranny.
It's so obvious that only us 'oldies' will rebel against CHANGE - the kids'll lap it up and really enjoy killing their fellow man.
That's the impression this non-action against obvious (and blatant) New World Order-ism gives me.
CHANGE is just another mind control mechanism worth subscribing to.
As for this film, I can't wait to watch it because I think James Cameron is one of the true artists of the cinematic art and you guys knowcking him for being so good at what he does just don't get it. He rules that medium. He might noteven know he's N.W.O. or N.W.O.-controlled. We should PITY him while adoring his artistry and ingenuity and bravery.
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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2009, 12:51:32 PM » |
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The story is a rip-off of Dances With Wolves.
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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2009, 07:32:55 PM » |
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Pandorum is what they used to call hell,thats the place the ailens live in the movie. thats what the Humans called the planet... im sure the blue people called their planet Eewa or Gaia, not "Pandorum". I know what you mean tho |
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2009, 07:36:08 PM » |
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2009, 07:37:04 PM » |
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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2009, 07:38:17 PM » |
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Pandorum is what they used to call hell,thats the place the ailens live in the movie. Blame astronomers for naming planets, stars, and moons after gods and spirit realms? Pandora also references the famous box/woman-that-opens-random-boxes. Or maybe it was just an ad for pandora.com Blue tones of color appear in natures full of devotion. Good to know that Blue Man Group is just a pro-Theosophy propaganda group. |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2009, 07:57:42 PM » |
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I enjoyed this movie, but it left me with some uneasy feelings. Basically its Ferngully 2.0
with a strong environmental message-- Return to the Forest, & humans are evil. I just wanted to comment, they actually had made a sequel to Ferngully (Ferngully 2: The Magical Rescue). Though to be honest I never saw it. The basic storyline is actually used in several things. Most noteably Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas (Disney style), and other similar stories. Notably, most of them deal with some member of a "civilized" group ending up getting to actually know the so-called "savages" as actual people, etc. This often involves finding a new-found reverence for nature/God/humanity/all-the-above, and then turning on his/her former comrades and fighting/persuading/helping-the-savages-to-flee. Done differently, this is also played out in the Ender series (not the Shadow series) by Orson S. Card, and undoubtedly many other stories that I've not the time, patience, or memory to list at this time. To me, humans (in general) didn't come off as evil, so much as corporation(s) (in general) and mercenaries (except the good ones). However, they did make sure to imply that greenery on Earth has become extinct. Yet it is not clear how or why that really came about, what the conditions on Earth really are is very unclear. That is, it is unclear if the Corporations/governments are the primary factors, and the majority of "regular" humans simply railroaded into what they want, or if it was the "will of the people" etc. However, it seems to me that the reason we care about the Navi at all, is because they display human characteristics. Not just being humanoid, but throughout the movie they are shown to experience: suspicion, faith, trust, jealousy, anger, hatred, defiance, love, compassion, and other things which identify them as people. The bad guys of the film, conversely, are shown as largely two (or one)-dimensional characters, with no character development. To put it another way: we care about the Navi because they (and the humans that ally with them) are more human than the corporate and mercenary dogs trying to strip-mine the place. |
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« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2009, 10:49:02 PM » |
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Personally,
I think the most heinous crime will be OUR OWN YOUTH who'll embrace the New World Order like the Hitler Youth embraced their era's tyranny.
It's so obvious that only us 'oldies' will rebel against CHANGE - the kids'll lap it up and really enjoy killing their fellow man.
That's the impression this non-action against obvious (and blatant) New World Order-ism gives me.
CHANGE is just another mind control mechanism worth subscribing to.
As for this film, I can't wait to watch it because I think James Cameron is one of the true artists of the cinematic art and you guys knowcking him for being so good at what he does just don't get it. He rules that medium. He might noteven know he's N.W.O. or N.W.O.-controlled. We should PITY him while adoring his artistry and ingenuity and bravery.
Mike
Somehow, I think Mr. Cameron knows just exactly what he's doing. http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html(Small excerpt) The Allen Institute would soon become an infamous brain butchery under Dr. Camerons control. Many patients were subjected to extreme and harsh conditions that included drug induced comas that lasted months, lobotomies, bright lights, sounds, moving images and electro-shocking that were in such excesses that it killed the patients. Other creations of Dr. Camerons butcher shop included the development of psychedelic drugs, most notably, LSD.
After Dr. Cameron left Montreal he retired to private life in the United States and vanished from the picture but his work continued on in MK-ULTRA until it was supposedly shut down by CIA Director Richard Helms in 1973.
Many of the documents from MK-ULTRA were destroyed on orders from Helms. Helms was also responsible for providing E. Howard Hunt with the information necessary for the break-in at the Watergate hotel in 1972 for the purpose of helping President Richard Nixon smear and psychologically destroy Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg was the Pentagon aide who had leaked the Pentagon Papers revealing Nixon's involvement in escalating the Vietnam War. The resulting Watergate scandal would eventually lead to the resignation of Nixon in 1974.
The murky world of intelligence operations became murkier as names changed to protect secrecy. MK-ULTRA simply assumed the new name MK-SEARCH and continued on into 1984.
In the late 1970's, while MK-SEARCH(MK-ULTRA) continued on the intelligence front, an unknown truck driver in California named James Cameron decided to quit his job and get into the film making business.
According to "official history", James Cameron moved to Brea, California in 1971, completed high school and attended five semesters at Fullerton College in Orange County. After dropping out of college, Cameron had convinced a consortium of dentists from Tustin, California seeking a tax writeoff to finance a short film in 35mm which he called "XenoGenesis".
The word "consortium" is interesting in itself; its dictionary term is given as "international business alliance". Since these dentists are from a local area, why are they described in this manner? If "business" is dropped from the definition, we're left with "international alliance" meaning they belong a large organization which envelops the world. The use of the word "Xenogenesis" as the name of Cameron's first film was also interesting because it meant "the birth of an alien species".
In actuality, these "dentists" were "psychiatrists" and operatives connected to the CIA's MK-ULTRA program and Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron. James Cameron and the "psychiatrists" knew each other from a fraternal organization they belonged to. This secret brotherhood helped finance Cameron's first film and would continue to help his career. He had entered this organization when he turned 21 years of age. The majority of persons in the intelligence community, including Dr. Cameron, belonged to the same organization which is commonly known as the FREEMASONS
The Freemasons are a global fraternal organization that exist for the express purpose of enlightening those who choose to join its ranks. According to public sources, Freemasonry was created in the 1700's in Europe, but if one delves deeper into the mysteries that make up Freemasonry, it is learned that the origins of the brotherhood trace back to a highly advanced civilization named Atlantis which existed before the one we're in now. Much of the high technology, advanced thinking and philosophical ideals were handed down through the generations in secret after a "Great Flood" destroyed Atlantis.
This technology would be revealed to the people of the world once again at a prescribed moment in time. It's no accident the 20th Century is one of the most technological achieving centuries in our civilization. This century saw the creation of techniques that would be used to control the mind as we saw earlier in this document with the CIA's implementation of Dr. Cameron's mind experiments and MK-ULTRA technology. The reason the "consortium" approached James Cameron was for the opportunity to use subliminal imagery and emotional manipulation on mass numbers of people and prepare them for an engineered future.
James Cameron continued onward in his career to enter the world of Roger Corman. The studio owned by Corman was named "New World Pictures". The "New World" was short for "New World Order", a phrase that embodies the idealism of Freemasonry, a global government. The phrase would eventually be spoken in public by President George Bush(Former Director of the CIA and 33rd Degree Mason) in 1991.
Cameron worked as miniature builder, model unit Director of Photography and matte painter on a film called "Battle Beyond the Stars" . The film's title was symbolic of a belief held by many in the UFO community as well as Freemasons that an ancient battle took place in this solar system thousands of years ago. The idea was to use MK-ULTRA technology to prepare the masses to believe in extra-terrestials for the purpose of bringing humanity into the "New World Order". More of this would be used later in Cameron's film career.
Determined to get into directing, Cameron worked on another science fiction film with a symbolic name, "Galaxy of Terror". Cameron became second unit director.
In 1982, during the early years of the administration of President Ronald Reagan(33rd Degree Mason), Cameron wrote "The Terminator" along with his 2nd wife Gale Anne Hurd, who's a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, a Masonic women's organization.
The basic idea of "The Terminator" involved sending a man back through time to prevent a cyborg from killing a woman who would give birth to humanity's savior, a man who would save humanity from a world ruled by machines. The symbology of this story was taken from the Bible with the woman's situation somewhat compared to the "virgin mary" and humanity's savior paralleled to her son.
The Freemasonic symbolism in the Terminator was obvious throughout the movie. One of the first symbols was the use of "blue light" used in dark situations. This would later become one of Cameron's directing styles.
The blue light was symbolic of Cameron's ascension from the first three degrees of Freemasonry, which are known as the blue degrees, to the next level of degrees which are known as the York Rite.
One of the characters in "The Terminator" described the machines as "a new order of intelligence". You can hear the words "New World Order" in the sub-text.
The most concrete symbol was the name of the distributor for the film. Although Cameron worked with Hemdale and HBO to get the film made, the film was distributed by Orion Pictures. Orion is symbolic of Osiris, the ancient Egyptian god of enlightenment and fertility.
Osiris's counterpart was Isis, the Egyptian goddess of the Earth. Both of these ancient deities are represented by the "male" and "female" components of the "square and compass" symbol of Freemasonry. The square represents "Isis" and the compass is "Osiris". Also symbolized by Isis is the star known as Sirius. Some Freemasons believe their ancestors came from Sirius.
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James Cameron did produce this really fascinating history channel show Exodus Decoded. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-528811169418537170#Its all about how the volcano that destroyed the island of santorini and a tidal wave from it wiped out the Minoan civilization also caused greater natural disasters to the entire area. These disasters were then interpreted as acts of God and is a possible inspiration for the exodus. That would fit in with Atlantis myths and freemasonry. I think i'm being too conspiracy tho. |
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I see messages and hidden meanings in everything these days. Watchmen was teaming with NWO messages but i still enjoyed the film. I didn't get the same feeling from Avatar. What i mean is I didn't at all feel preached at and to me it felt much more like an anti aggression anti-war film than an environmental one. The natives weren't as upset that trees were getting destroyed they were upset that their homes were getting destroyed and this is a direct parallel to the Palestinian situation more than the environmental movement.
Sane is way off even linking Riefenstahl work in this thread. You should always see something before you call it a NWO psy op. Like i said i see stuff in everything and this movie just didn't feel suspect and other than saying that plants are linked to the earth and are important(which is true btw) it made no reference in anyway to people being bad for the earth. It was more of an old school story like Dances with Wolves or the story of Pocahontas it was more anti-colonial than environmental.
It was a very good movie imo and i really enjoyed it. With the crap action movies these days like Transformers and GI Joe it was refreshing to see a good one. Comparing it to Triumph of the Will is completely ridiculous.
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grneyelady: Somehow, I think Mr. Cameron knows just exactly what he's doing. Thanks for that link ... Holy cow! A lot of the Cameron-as-Mason stuff has been around the internets for a long while ... and it is, of course, near impossible to know the 'reality' about anything to do with the closed secret societies. But it does have the ring of truth about for me ... I do firmly believe that Holy-wood has always been (including TV) the main mass mind-control medium for masons. As for the Atlantis/Annunaki/Noah stuff ... for sure that is their own accepted mythical/religious storyline ... it is at the core of the NWO. |
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Blame astronomers for naming planets, stars, and moons after gods and spirit realms?
Pandora also references the famous box/woman-that-opens-random-boxes. Or maybe it was just an ad for pandora.com
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Believed in What He CreatedDavid KramerThe LRC BlogDecember 21, 2009 I just got back from seeing Avatar. (Although the movie is very beautiful, I didn’t find the script quite as compelling as Stephan did.) I wanted to make a point though about the man who wrote and directed the film—James Cameron. While Stephan is absolutely correct that the movie makes a “dig” at our current war on terrorism, Cameron only meant the “dig” for the Iraq war. As you can hear in this NPR interview, the left-wing Cameron believes in his Master O-bomb-a’s view that the Afghanistan war is a “just” war. I also think that knowing Cameron’s mindset (remember the “evil” rich people in Titanic?), the movie can be seen by some as a “dig” against corporations—but Stephan is correct when he writes that you absolutely have a sense that the indigenous people are fighting for their property. I do like the fact that the movie shows the military as absolute monsters. And it also shows the horrors of a big corporation/government partnership. (I guess things don’t change much 150 years from now.) I agree with Stephan about not worrying whether or not you see it on IMAX, or even in 3D. I saw it in 3D and the process didn’t do much for me. The movie is definitely worth seeing for the visual artistry alone. |
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« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2009, 02:15:53 PM » |
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I see messages and hidden meanings in everything these days. And that, I think, is a problem. It's not just "hidden meanings" though either. For example, on Infowars there was an article about several trains moving military vehicles and equipment around CA. Some enterprising young folks jumped on this, and posited that it might, potentially, be for something more sinister than military training. This, however, also linked into an article showing that 3700 Canadians would be going to CA to train in the desert in preparation for a tour in Afghanistan (this after news of the "surge 2.0", and with minor snippets that it wouldn't all be US troops, but an increase in Coalition/Ally troops as well). Naturally, the logic of it vanishes in the idea that foreign soldiers will be training in CA. Which makes sense to me, both sides I mean. I'm not particularly comfortable with using US soil as the training grounds for foreign military, even Canada. On the other hand, Canada isn't exactly known for its deserts. Yet what it comes down to, is that people will see it as something other than what it is. Unless there's actual information, not just speculation, that points to those 3700 troops training for anything other than Afghanistan, or that they'll be staying longer or going places other than specified, I don't see why people can't see it for what it is. When people wake up, it can become easy to see more than there is, because you understand something new, it can be easy to get caught up in it, and see it everywhere, even in places where it isn't. This makes it easy to discredit the whole. For example the "debunking" of concentration camps by Glen Beck was done with by discrediting the false, without acknowledging the truth, or addressing actual instances and information on the subject. Even if just subliminally I guess, their music is neat
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See though, that's the thing. I look at that, and I see a triangle. I can see why someone would think: "Illuminati pyramid!" (except it's missing the all-seeing eye) Yet I see a triangle. Even if they were going for a symbol, it doesn't mean Theosophy. Or Illuminati. There are several possibilities. They might have thought triangles/pyramids were cool. Maybe they like Egypt. Maybe they're evil puppets of the NWO. Maybe they're just weird. All of those are possibilities, and the image, while intriguing, and raising those possibilities, does not answer that question of why. Blue, symbols, and numbers can all mean different things to different people. Some associate blue with the sky. Others with the sea. Others with both. Some with sadness, others with spiritual power. Some people just like the color for no damn reason. Others just use it because someone else used it in a way they thought was "nifty." For example the card game Illuminati is, almost certainly, not propaganda or predictive programming for the Illuminati. Instead it's just taking what was already put out there and spoofing it. Yet the makers of the game (and Munchkin, etc.) aren't puppets of the NWO, even though it makes fun of the Illuminati conspiracy theories (and the people alleged to be in them). *shrug* The NWO uses symbolism. This is very true. But we need to be able to identify the difference between intentional use of the symbolism, and incidental or even accidental use. Or even when they are trying to symbolize something else. The Swastika for example was a symbol for something else before Nazi Germany perverted it. |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2009, 02:17:52 PM » |
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I see messages and hidden meanings in everything these days. Watchmen was teaming with NWO messages but i still enjoyed the film. I didn't get the same feeling from Avatar. What i mean is I didn't at all feel preached at and to me it felt much more like an anti aggression anti-war film than an environmental one. The natives weren't as upset that trees were getting destroyed they were upset that their homes were getting destroyed and this is a direct parallel to the Palestinian situation more than the environmental movement.
Sane is way off even linking Riefenstahl work in this thread. You should always see something before you call it a NWO psy op. Like i said i see stuff in everything and this movie just didn't feel suspect and other than saying that plants are linked to the earth and are important(which is true btw) it made no reference in anyway to people being bad for the earth. It was more of an old school story like Dances with Wolves or the story of Pocahontas it was more anti-colonial than environmental.
It was a very good movie imo and i really enjoyed it. With the crap action movies these days like Transformers and GI Joe it was refreshing to see a good one. Comparing it to Triumph of the Will is completely ridiculous.
$500 Million Budget for an NWO propaganda film? How exactly are they different? What is the difference? They both are useful idiots for elite power grabs. MPAA = Ministry of Propaganda And Assimilation |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2009, 02:19:27 PM » |
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I enjoyed the movie and i'll sure get it on blu ray, like millions other folks i'm sure.
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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2009, 02:55:17 PM » |
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GhostofTsenzei: Good to know that Blue Man Group is just a pro-Theosophy propaganda group. WHY BLUE?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8453442377878175440#Started by BLUE MAN GROUP: http://www.theblueschool.org/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blue Man GroupPeter Suderman | December 18, 2009 I'm blue da ba dee...James Cameron's Avatar, which features revolutionary advances in character animation and 3D filmmaking, is a movie built to awe, to wonder, to stir great emotion, to make you feel as if you just haven't lived until you've seen two ten-foot tall warrior Smurfs making out in an alien jungle that looks like it was dreamed up by Rainbow Bright and a team of acid-tripping glowworms. (And just in case you're wondering: Yes, the two digital blue lovers do eventually get it on, but that occurs mostly off screen. Perhaps there are some things that Hollywood's most lifelike 3D was simply not meant to show.) From a technical standpoint, the movie's a genuine wonder. Arguably for the first time since filmmakers began outfitting viewers cheap glasses and claiming that a moviemaking revolution had arrived, the 3D presentation isn't a gimmick. The movie's expensively pixellated world has depth as never before; bathed in a vast array of hazy blues, it's like a living, breathing manifestation of an Eiffel 65 song. And the Na'vi, the movie's marble-skinned alien natives, are easily the most convincing humanoids ever to leap forth from a Hollywood effects house's CGI server-farm — that is, at least in terms of the way they look and move. The realism stops, however, every time they open their mouths and reveal themselves to be crude, one-dimensional native stereotypes: instinctive and animalistic purveyors of cheap mysticism and nature worship. So despite its genuinely impressive technical innovations, Avatar isn't much a movie: Instead, Cameron's cooked up a derivative, overlong pastiche of anti-corporate clichés and quasi-mystical eco-nonsense. It's not that the film's politics make it bad, it's that even if you agree, the nearly three-hour onslaught of simplistic moralizing leaves no room for interesting twists or ambiguity in the story or characters: corporations are bad, scientists are good, natives are pure, harmony with nature is the ultimate ideal — the only suspense comes from wondering what movie Cameron will rip off next. The go-to comparison so far is Dances With Wolves meets Ferngully, and that's just about right. But Cameron rips himself off considerably as well: There are gruff marines are straight out of Aliens, stubborn science-types pulled from The Abyss, and a love-across-the-boundaries romance that echoes Titanic — only this time, it's across species rather than ship decks. Last week, Jeffrey Wells called Avatar "the most flamboyant, costliest, grandest left-liberal super-movie anyone's ever seen," and that's true as far as it goes — but he forgot a word. It's also one of the stupidest major movies in recently memory, blithely peddling a message that its entire production process actually undermines. That Avatar's melodramatic attacks on corporate interests and its defense of simple, natural living come packaged as one of the most expensive, and probably the most technically advanced, corporate films in history would seem to indicate that only quality bigger than the movie's stupidity is its head-in-the-clouds hypocrisy. Cameron's made a movie that he intends to be epic and awesome, but the only thing that's awesome here is his total lack of self-awareness. With Eiffel 65 link: http://reason.com/blog/2009/12/18/blue-man-group~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2009, 02:59:39 PM » |
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See, now THAT's (slightly) more convincing. |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2009, 03:24:03 PM » |
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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2009, 08:27:19 PM » |
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James Cameron did produce this really fascinating history channel show Exodus Decoded. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-528811169418537170#Its all about how the volcano that destroyed the island of santorini and a tidal wave from it wiped out the Minoan civilization also caused greater natural disasters to the entire area. These disasters were then interpreted as acts of God and is a possible inspiration for the exodus. That would fit in with Atlantis myths and freemasonry. I think i'm being too conspiracy tho. Actually I read about this elsewhere - there's an Englishman who wrote a fascinating book (Fingerprints of God...Footsteps of God...something like that. First name is Graham I think. But NOT Graham Hancock) And the theory is quite plausible actually....how the massive Thera Earthquake which drowned Santorini would actually have caused the Sea of Reeds (NOT the Red Sea) to withdraw from it's banks...and theoretically allow the people to cross through the water. What is funny is that GOD uses both mankind and "natural events" to work HIS will, the Bible is replete with examples. But people think that a 'natural' explanation and GOD are mutually exclusive descriptions.  |
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« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2009, 05:43:41 PM » |
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I have read Mahabharata and Bhagavad Gita (which is one chapter of Mahabharata that sums up Vedic teachings). It is called an epic for a reason...it is full of action packed entertainment with love stories and super heroes. But some consider it to be the true history of India from 5,000 years ago when Krishna was here, at the beginning of Kali Yuga, not some mythological story. A lot of movies have similar stories as Mahabharata, but that's also because duality (good and evil) is part of the mind and this material world. The nwo will probably never make a Mahabharata movie because it's theme is devotional service to God and to fight to stop evil from taking over the world, (unless they really changed the original story). Twisted and perverted concepts of truth are considered normal for this age of corruption. I haven't seen any Harry Potter, but I'm pretty sure that they are based more on the occult stuff that originates in Egypt, not India. Pyramids, the one eye, the phoenix, rising sun, sirius, sun worship, etc., these are all from Egypt. Krishna killed many demons, a few were witches and black magic demons. Ancient Vedic culture was very much against those things. After Kali Yuga began, these dynasties went to make their own civilizations and religions, and some came back later to invade India. Most 'ancient history' goes back to after the beginning of Kali yuga, when memories and life spans become shorter. I looked up Navi by itself in Sanskrit, and it means "on/in a boat". |
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« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2009, 10:10:24 PM » |
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$500 Million Budget for an NWO propaganda film? How exactly are they different? What is the difference? They both are useful idiots for elite power grabs.
MPAA = Ministry of Propaganda And Assimilation
You obviously haven't seen the film because you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The movie is anti-war anti invasion anti aggression sure there are tribal humanoids living on the planet that don't want there world destroyed but who would. This movie is more a parallel to the Iraq invasion than global warming. You are reaching and look foolish imo. Normally you seem sensible but i think you are losing it. |
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« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2009, 05:13:38 AM » |
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I see messages and hidden meanings in everything these days. Watchmen was teaming with NWO messages but i still enjoyed the film. I didn't get the same feeling from Avatar. What i mean is I didn't at all feel preached at and to me it felt much more like an anti aggression anti-war film than an environmental one. The natives weren't as upset that trees were getting destroyed they were upset that their homes were getting destroyed and this is a direct parallel to the Palestinian situation more than the environmental movement.
Sane is way off even linking Riefenstahl work in this thread. You should always see something before you call it a NWO psy op. Like i said i see stuff in everything and this movie just didn't feel suspect and other than saying that plants are linked to the earth and are important(which is true btw) it made no reference in anyway to people being bad for the earth. It was more of an old school story like Dances with Wolves or the story of Pocahontas it was more anti-colonial than environmental.
It was a very good movie imo and i really enjoyed it. With the crap action movies these days like Transformers and GI Joe it was refreshing to see a good one. Comparing it to Triumph of the Will is completely ridiculous.
Agreed. You obviously haven't seen the film because you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The movie is anti-war anti invasion anti aggression sure there are tribal humanoids living on the planet that don't want there world destroyed but who would. This movie is more a parallel to the Iraq invasion than global warming. You are reaching and look foolish imo. Normally you seem sensible but i think you are losing it.
Agreed again. In my 56 years I've seen thousands of movies. This is one of the greatest films I've ever seen. How anyone could mistake the message of this film with NWO propaganda is beyond me. Sane you are a big fan of "Tron". Most everyone agrees that it was a film ahead of it's time and holds up to this day. I think Avatar will have a much bigger legacy. I challenge you to see Avatar and not be impressed. I saw it, and immediately wanted to see it again. |
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« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2009, 05:54:59 AM » |
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maybe, but that thread is full of pre-avatar perspectives, id like to hear from people who have just seen it
The film f**king ROCKED. |
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« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2009, 06:46:53 AM » |
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The only problem people here could have with the movie is that the natives are shamanistic, which however tends to be the rule in natives on Earth. Also, their shamanism is rooted in scientific principles, in essence, they are a part of a superorganism and their religion acknowledges this truth. Such organism has not yet been proven to exist here but is easily proven in Pandora's biosphere. Their religion is not a religion, it is just plain common sense on their planet.
Also, in reality, the subversion of native populations works a bit differenty, more covertly, but it is apparent that they'd tried the good old imperialistic methods (buying them), and failed, since the Na'vi have no desire for Earth goods and technology.
The movie is much more anti-NWO than it is pro-NWO. It is an ecological science fiction, but it does not promote carbon craze or any other modern fads; and ecology, if taken rationally (which the movie does), is not wrong in itself. I guess being open minded in case of this movie is not that bad an idea.
Also, the often talked about scene with the scientist not being chosen, she would have been reincarnated into her avatar body with all the likelihood had her wounds not been so great, so it's not about "not being chosen by Gaia."
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« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2009, 07:02:03 AM » |
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These propgranda movies are not for the informed people, They are for the Teenagers young adults and adults who are still being brainwashed. We should stop going to these movies and start boycotting these movies.
It may not sound realistic at first but if you have a plan and inform the public, they will follow help you.
God Bless
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« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2009, 09:58:51 AM » |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2009, 10:21:07 AM » |
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These propgranda movies are not for the informed people, They are for the Teenagers young adults and adults who are still being brainwashed. We should stop going to these movies and start boycotting these movies.
It may not sound realistic at first but if you have a plan and inform the public, they will follow help you.
God Bless
Yet at the same time life is so boring and we need the entertainment!! |
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« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2009, 10:30:19 AM » |
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The bottom pic is of Shiva, the top is a kid dressed up as Krishna. There's a big difference between Krishna and Shiva. Most of the demons that Krishna and other Vishnu avatars killed were Shiva worshippers. Also, all of the phallic worship originates from Shiva worship. Shiva is not accurately shown as blue, he is supposed to be white with a blue neck from drinking poison. Shiva has the snake garland and trident. Shiva is the destroyer of ignorance, Krishna is the maintainer of goodness. there's a big difference between the two. Here's another picture of Krishna:  |
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« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2009, 10:39:13 AM » |
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