AVATAR : "Triumph of the Will" for the NWO Green Nazis

[thnkfstpal]

read the Cormac McCarthy book, which won the Pulitzer I believe, which is probably about as rigged as the Nobel I fear

anyway, it is more of the human-being-as-worthless-scum-that -should-die-already type of literary genre.  
that seems to be all the rage these days

But lol I don't want to get flamed all over the place again over this.
I'm not sayin don't read it; i'm just sayin that's how it struck me, and it's my opinion that this is all just a little too Al Gorifically NWOrderish coincidental.

It was a gripping book that yeah, made me depressed for days.  You get caught up in the journey of this father and son through this sunless gray lifeless loveless gritty world where remnant humans have evidently gotten what they deserve and are roaming around eating babies and murdering for food.  There is no hope because humans have, in their greed and stupidity, killed the earth, in the book it is definitely a nuclear-caused apocalyptic winter scenario.

cheerio!

Piltdown you are firing on all cylinders bro. The Road IS NWO trash, it depicts the way the NWO wants things to be once society breaks down. I got news for them, that's NOT how it will be AT ALL. NWO WILL LOSE AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL COME TOGETHER. Period. The ROAD IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE CINEMA like Lady GAGA is to music.

[Piltdown Man]

The real question: Is it more, or less cheerful than "I have no mouth and I must scream?"

Yeah seriously we need a 3D IMAX of IHNMAIMS asap!   NOT

Ted decides that instead of trying to each kill themselves, they should kill each other. Ted seizes a stalagmite made of ice, and proceeds to murder Benny and Gorrister. Ellen sees what is happening, and murders Nimdok, before being killed by Ted. However, before Ted can kill himself, AM realizes its mistake and stops him. AM is now even more angry and vengeful than before, with only one victim left for its hatred. In order to ensure that nothing can ever happen to Ted, AM transforms him into an enormous gelatinous blob who cannot possibly hurt himself, and constantly alters his perception of time in order to deepen his anguish. Ted is, however, grateful that he was able to save the others from this same experience. In the end, he needs to scream, but cannot, for his new form lacks a mouth.

[Piltdown Man]

Piltdown you are firing on all cylinders bro. The Road IS NWO trash, it depicts the way the NWO wants things to be once society breaks down. I got news for them, that's NOT how it will be AT ALL. NWO WILL LOSE AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL COME TOGETHER. Period. The ROAD IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE CINEMA like Lady GAGA is to music.

yeah, we will find ourselves.  I agree. We will find our voices, our dignity, our souls & spirit.  It is for sure.  That's who we are. Watch us.

[Brocke]

The real question: Is it more, or less cheerful than "I have no mouth and I must scream?"

Now we are talking some serious Sci Fi!

[Jackson Holly]

well, look at that. lol.
Only the few and the wise know the reason for such retellings.

 ... this post is in regard to BROCKE's fantastic POCAHONTAS post. Just WOW!

I know these themes are ingrained mythically, etc, etc ... but this is so ... EXACT.

For newbies, GOING ETHERIC is an expert on such matters - how about linking

us to your newest work GE? 

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I have to say, the sci-fi genre, with its prevailing violence, horror

and visual shock overkill reminds me of PORN.

Is AVATAR Sci~Fi porn? Are they melding the two prominent entertainment 'genres'

in the world today?

Apocalyporno?

[NinjaGaijin]

*ignores rest of thread*

do you like fish sticks?

[GoingEtheric]

... this post is in regard to BROCKE's fantastic POCAHONTAS post. Just WOW!
I know these themes are ingrained mythically, etc, etc ... but this is so ... EXACT.
For newbies, GOING ETHERIC is an expert on such matters - how about linking
us to your newest work GE? 

They don't mind 'exact' anymore. They know that there will never be enough people who know the truth to do anything about it. Like all their other scams that they reveal ahead of time and still get away with.
New vid... Magick and the Matrix.. Linked just below.

As for avatar, sounds like the standard antichrist retelling. Just another man who would be king. Avatar used what I call "the starwars ending". Standard "chosen one" model. I laughed my ass off when they started talking about 'the force'. It was actually kinda "matrix-y" how they plugged into eachother and how their bodies just fell when they were unplugged.

I just watched Pocahontas, and it is indeed quite similar.

[NinjaGaijin]

avatar was a bit robocop too, being the soldier/cop that is having cybernetics dangled in their face as a possible way to return to their 'regular/normal' life they had before

[Brocke]

They don't mind 'exact' anymore...

Great point! The programing of the masses has many elements that are used separately or in combination. It doesn't have to fit the mold exactly to work it's "magick" at this point, most are that far gone.


I went to Avatar this week and it was a curious and unsettling experience.

Here are a few quick thoughts:

• I noticed that the 3D glasses had space at the side of your temples to put snap-in plates. This could be used for future develeopments?[CLICK FOR IMAGE]
• Lots of bio-luminescent coloring, very "trippy" al la LSD and Mescaline experiences
• All kinds of "jacking into" things. Connecting to machines, animals, plans, trees, each other.
• When the Home Tree fell it was a definite 911 reference. It will be interesting to see what close analysis of the film will disclose.
• I had to get up to go to the bathroom about half way through and I had to walk past two young girls to get out. The first girl I came to was so transfixed that I had to bump her leg with mine twice to get her attention away from the screen.
• There were no true individuals in the Na'vi they were all mostly conforming to the "tribes" will. This was particularly evident in the tree ceremonies where every was arm in arm and swayed back and forth as if in a trance. The humans were the group with the true individuals with each character, even the Marines, having individual drive and motivations.

[GoingEtheric]

Great point! The programing of the masses has many elements that are used separately or in combination. It doesn't have to fit the mold exactly to work it's "magick" at this point, most are that far gone.


I went to Avatar this week and it was a curious and unsettling experience.

Here are a few quick thoughts:

• I noticed that the 3D glasses had space at the side of your temples to put snap-in plates. This could be used for future develeopments?[CLICK FOR IMAGE]
• Lots of bio-luminescent coloring, very "trippy" al la LSD and Mescaline experiences
• All kinds of "jacking into" things. Connecting to machines, animals, plans, trees, each other.
• When the Home Tree fell it was a definite 911 reference. It will be interesting to see what close analysis of the film will disclose.
• I had to get up to go to the bathroom about half way through and I had to walk past two young girls to get out. The first girl I came to was so transfixed that I had to bump her leg with mine twice to get her attention away from the screen.
• There were no true individuals in the Na'vi they were all mostly conforming to the "tribes" will. This was particularly evident in the tree ceremonies where every was arm in arm and swayed back and forth as if in a trance. The humans were the group with the true individuals with each character, even the Marines, having individual drive and motivations.

I usually miss that kind of analysis. My guess is they were probably using tones, colors, and flashing lights for a mesmerizing effect. Tones and flashing lights are used to induce certain brain patterns. The 'eco' love thing was poured on heavy, but the military, and its kind of ambitions (Imperial), were on the plus-side portrayed in a negative light. However, armies will be obsolete in the nwo and nationalism will be painted as the cause of all conflict, so there is a predictive programming angle even while depicting the military ( industrial complex ) in that light.

[Jackson Holly]

This is interesting from the "Home Tree" perspective ... but I am not sure
I agree with all the author has to say:

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The Avatar Movie from a Black perspective

Looking at the Avatar movie from the
perspective of the "other world"

By Ezili Danto

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Avatar-Movie-from-a-Bl-by-Ezili-Danto-100104-843.html


Picture: USAToday.com

   EXCERPT:
    "Once upon a time, trees were sacred things in Haitian/African culture, looked upon as living energies that provided strength to the people. Thus, cutting down trees was relatively a taboo. But these core Africanist values were scorned and desecrated by the influences of Western colonialism and Christian missionaries on traditional Vodun. These core values were uprooted during the anti-Vodun Rejete campaigns (1940-41) as a means for the Catholic Church to get rid of Vodun as its rival religion and philosophy in Haiti and as a way for the US to clear peasant Haitians off lands they wanted to acquire for their agricultural initiatives in Haiti in the 1940s during the post-U.S.-occupation presidency of Elie Lescot (1941-46).


    The Catholic Churches' brutal anti-superstition campaigns in the 1940s, which made it alright to destroy trees that holds up not only the land but a culture, adds to deforestation in Haiti. For, once these core values were broken down and substituted with foreign ideals (senility?) - foreign psychology irrelevant to Haitian survival, things in Haiti for the vast majority, as Chinua Achebe, would put it: began to "fall apart..." (Ezili's HLLN on the Counter-Colonial Narrative on Deforestation, See also - HLLN on the causes of Haiti deforestation and poverty.)

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[GoingEtheric]

This is interesting from the "Home Tree" perspective ... but I am not sure
I agree with all the author has to say:.

I hate divisive articles.

I think its tree of life symbolism from eden.

[Jackson Holly]

I hate divisive articles.

I think its tree of life symbolism from eden.

 ... yeah, you're probably right ... and no doubt has more to do with the

vegetation cult aspects than colonial slash & burn.

[NinjaGaijin]

ITS ALL DANCES WITH SMURFS.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=154748.0 - avatar now at 1.2 billion USD

[iks83]

Look what I found... you could make up a whole new conspiracy just about that...

[iRonic]

Z..Z...Z....Z.....Zionism....Z..Z...Z....Z.....
       ZzZzZzZ~    ~zZzZzZzZz                            
             lol crazy find

[NinjaGaijin]

no no no it's 2x propellors with 3x arms each so it has six connections to the centre!!

Not so crazy imo for a helicopter lol

I'm sure you could find some pictures of VTOL aircraft with similar propellors.

Not to say its impossible but i doubt it would have been intention for that. They just thought the VTOLs look so much cooler with 2x propellors each side i guess. Kind of like having 3x nipples in Total Recall.

[phasma]

Wow! This thread has grown fast !
I have yet to watch this film - mostly because I dont like watching "3D" too long - it makes my eyes hurt !

Has anyone seen the road yet? Its supposed to be a serious 2012 type film?

[GUS]

Wow! This thread has grown fast !
I have yet to watch this film - mostly because I dont like watching "3D" too long - it makes my eyes hurt !

Has anyone seen the road yet? Its supposed to be a serious 2012 type film?

You don't have to watch it in 3D. Both times I saw it I saw it in regular format. I loved it! If you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. It has plenty of visual depth without 3D. Enjoy, and report back if you are not too terribly mind controlled to do so. Ha.

[Mike Philbin]

FREE PLANET HEALTH WARMING:

no one has analysed if there are any secret left-right eye N.W.O. micro-pulse messages dispersed throughout the individual 3D views of this technology.

it wouldn't even be hard to INSTALL some special 'patterns' into the technology.

I wish I could lay the IS CAMERON WITH US or AGAINST US issue.

[White Rose Sophie]

This is very disturbing!

People have essentially given up on humanity. They believe that what we know to be the NWO agenda is just human nature when it really is so far from human nature that we have to be constantly dumbed down, manipulated, drugged, traumatized, and abused just to keep going along with it. And Avatar is part of this manipulation. Very disturbing.

The target market for this movie  is 15-25 year olds.  Actually, that is the target market for MOST movies nowdays, with an emphasis on MALES of that age span.  Why?  I personally believe that it has to do with the functions of the pre-frontal cortex of the brain, considered to be the last portion of the human brain to become fully mature.  (at approximately age 25)
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The prefrontal cortex (PFC) is the very front of the brain, located right beneath the forehead. It is in the anterior (front) region of the frontal lobes. Besides being the front of the brain physically, it is responsible for the executive functions, which include mediating conflicting thoughts, making choices between right and wrong or good and bad, predicting future events, and governing social control — such as suppressing emotional or sexual urges. The prefrontal cortex is the brain center most strongly implicated in qualities like sentience, human general intelligence, and personality.
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If you can manipulate the human mind at an early age (before that particular part of the brain is mature), the more indoctrinated (and malleable) it becomes.  The elites know this and have been doing this since the introduction of 'public schools'.  That is why there is so much sexual content aimed at pre-teens and teens, why so many get lost into drugs at earlier and earlier ages, etc.  Leaving 'moral' issues out of the equation, there is a chemical process that programs the brain to continue to 'want' that stimuli once experienced.  One reason why 'addictions' are so hard to treat once begun at a young age, whether it's drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, etc.  Maybe those on here who can enjoy this movie for it's 'entertainment' value alone are not as susceptible to it's message.  That part of their brain is 'matured' and fully functioning.

An excellent book on how behavior produces chemical reactions in the brains of young people:

http://www.amazon.com/Hooked-Science-Casual-Affecting-Children/dp/0802450601/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

While this book specifically describes the affects of casual sex on the brain functions of teenagers, I think its conclusion applies equally towards other type of  brain 'stimulants' such as drugs, gambling, etc.  And I  believe this type of movie to be an exceptional form of a 'brain stimulant'.

[Piltdown Man]

The target market for this movie  is 15-25 year olds.  Actually, that is the target market for MOST movies nowdays, with an emphasis on MALES of that age span.  Why?  I personally believe that it has to do with the functions of the pre-frontal cortex of the brain, considered to be the last portion of the human brain to become fully mature.  (at approximately age 25)
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The prefrontal cortex (PFC) is the very front of the brain, located right beneath the forehead. It is in the anterior (front) region of the frontal lobes. Besides being the front of the brain physically, it is responsible for the executive functions, which include mediating conflicting thoughts, making choices between right and wrong or good and bad, predicting future events, and governing social control — such as suppressing emotional or sexual urges. The prefrontal cortex is the brain center most strongly implicated in qualities like sentience, human general intelligence, and personality.
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If you can manipulate the human mind at an early age (before that particular part of the brain is mature), the more indoctrinated (and malleable) it becomes.  The elites know this and have been doing this since the introduction of 'public schools'.  That is why there is so much sexual content aimed at pre-teens and teens, why so many get lost into drugs at earlier and earlier ages, etc.  Leaving 'moral' issues out of the equation, there is a chemical process that programs the brain to continue to 'want' that stimuli once experienced.  One reason why 'addictions' are so hard to treat once begun at a young age, whether it's drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, etc.  Maybe those on here who can enjoy this movie for it's 'entertainment' value alone are not as susceptible to it's message.  That part of their brain is 'matured' and fully functioning.

An excellent book on how behavior produces chemical reactions in the brains of young people:

http://www.amazon.com/Hooked-Science-Casual-Affecting-Children/dp/0802450601/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

While this book specifically describes the affects of casual sex on the brain functions of teenagers, I think its conclusion applies equally towards other type of  brain 'stimulants' such as drugs, gambling, etc.  And I  believe this type of movie to be an exceptional form of a 'brain stimulant'.

bingo.
thanks for this analysis.
i think it's right on.
it also helps explain why lots of the older forum members find Avatar to be harmless entertainment...it's not geared for the mature brain.
The impact on some 15-25 year old crowd is heartbreaking...
here are a few more recent postings on Avatar fan forums:  http://naviblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=73&start=20

dude, i'm obsessed too, i have no idea why and yeah i thought i was getting crazy as well. That's what this kind of movie does. It blows your mind away, and then for a while you feel depressed 'cause life sucks in comparison. Won't be the last time it happens, unless they stop making movies like that. We gotta be grateful we live in a society where such entertainement is offered at such a little cost.

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It just felt "real" and sometimes REAL is more important than "original" and can be its OWN original in its own right. It felt like this could actually happen.

many times in movies you get those moving speeches and those PERFECT actions and responses and while fantastic in the back of your head you know it could NEVER go down sooo perfectly sooo precisely.

to me thats one of the things that really made avatar one of the greatest movies of all time in my book. It hit a lot of buttons and it hit them DAMNED well.

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Coming out of avatar I had this insane longing to be in that enviroment despite its obvious danger and the disadvantages of jungle life not shown in the film, a feeling that wasn't shared among any of my friends, this film only affects a few people in the way it effected me. This conversation is going to drag on because the explainanation is right on the bloody tip of my tongue, I just need to find the words. :sorry:

Basically I think its part of a deep seated desire buried within me to experience a beautiful and deadly world without any of the bullshit. I can already hear people thinking "wtf you would get f**king cut up in that enviroment" and to a certain extent they are absolutely right. Absolutely deadly for humans, dangerous for Na'vi. It seems that if you were tailored for that enviroment (avatar) and you had the know how to survive it would be an absolute paradise. A desire to experience a lifestyle that I can never aspire to from rainy Scotland, in a school getting grades I wish I didnt need, coming out of Uni to get a job, rise up the ranks, retire and die without seeing anything mindblowing. People will say but the beautiful world is out there! The world full of Sad, Depressed, Greedy, Corrupt and Evil people. Despots, tyrants and faceless corporate bosses.

We are destroying not just our home, but the homes of other species as well. Pandora is a beautiful world without the shortcomings of ours: Humans. Can you imagine Na'vi in suits? Given enough time as a species Im sure it would be possible but in their current state they respect and love their enviroment in ways we cant possibly comprehend. If our world was left unspoiled It might even by better aesthetically with a more varied landscape (deserts, high mountains) compared to Pandora, even without the link with nature.

It is a desire to return not to our roots but a place better than that, a place where we are one with the animals and enviroment whilst retaining our humanity (Na'vinity?) and not distancing ourselves from civilisation.

Scuse me while take a breath but this came from a bloody film.

Bear in mind that this is coming from me and me alone. Everyone here has there own reasons for "Pandoramania" and I am certain my view is going to need refining as I typed that out straight from the heart without editing it. It probably makes little to no sense but its still worth reading

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I joined here cause I heard about a bunch of mofo's who were considering taking their lives, just because earth wasn't like Pandora. I found that somewhat disturbing. So I signed up. And what I have found here is quite scary. Many people here act like that movie is some sort of sacred book. The movie came out for about a month ago and as catched on very fast. A movie that, may I add, that aren't that good. I never said the effects were insufficient, that weren't that impressive seen on a regular screen (no IMAX or 3D). So I wasn't bedazzled by the effects and could see the movie for what it was: brainless entertainment. And while that's fine, I like brainless, I don't see any Transformers-tribes pop up (I'm in no way saying I like Transformers).
And the rape stuff (see you have followed my posts :thankyou: ), that is pretty much what they do. They take their ponytails, which they also use for pleasure, and then force themselves into the animals. I don't know about you, but that is pretty much how rape works.

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[Piltdown Man]

Another crazy impact of the movie on young folks is this out of the ballpark need to see it over and over and over and over.
it seems like it begins to OWN them.  (where the hell are their parents?)
Here are some random answers to a forum question: how many times are you going to see Avatar?
 These are just a few responses, but they are like that on every forum Ive visited. You get the picture.

i seen it 4th time and will be watching this movie until neytiri is real....

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6 Times. 3 RealD and 3 Imax 3D. Seeing it again tonight and will probably total out at around 10.

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twice in 2d
twice in imax 3d

still havent had a big enough fix of it yet... i need help

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6 times and counting - number 7 on Tuesday

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 I have seen it 3 times all in Imax 3D, the number of times really is not a factor... I just want to see it any way that I can as many times as I can.
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4 times so far, though hopefully i can see it at least 10 times, that's my target hahaha. All in RealD 3D.

Though my local cinema has reduced the 2d to one screening a day and the 3D still has 3 screenings a day, so it's safe to say that the 3D is still pretty popular, plus i get discounted tickets for being a member so it'll only cost me $13 each time (as the glasses are $3)

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 I've seen it four times. I will probably see it a fifth time sometime next week.

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Only once, in 3D - sadly, don't have the opportunity to get back to the theaters - I'm desperately trying to find a way to get to the IMAX show.

I would live in the theater if I could

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I've seen it five times now. My school has been snowed-in so I might see it again to tomorrow!

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[White Rose Sophie]

bingo.
thanks for this analysis.
i think it's right on.
it also helps explain why lots of the older forum members find Avatar to be harmless entertainment...it's not geared for the mature brain.
The impact on some 15-25 year old crowd is heartbreaking...
here are a few more recent postings on Avatar fan forums:  http://naviblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=73&start=20

dude, i'm obsessed too, i have no idea why and yeah i thought i was getting crazy as well. That's what this kind of movie does. It blows your mind away, and then for a while you feel depressed 'cause life sucks in comparison. Won't be the last time it happens, unless they stop making movies like that. We gotta be grateful we live in a society where such entertainement is offered at such a little cost.

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It just felt "real" and sometimes REAL is more important than "original" and can be its OWN original in its own right. It felt like this could actually happen.

many times in movies you get those moving speeches and those PERFECT actions and responses and while fantastic in the back of your head you know it could NEVER go down sooo perfectly sooo precisely.

to me thats one of the things that really made avatar one of the greatest movies of all time in my book. It hit a lot of buttons and it hit them DAMNED well.

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Coming out of avatar I had this insane longing to be in that enviroment despite its obvious danger and the disadvantages of jungle life not shown in the film, a feeling that wasn't shared among any of my friends, this film only affects a few people in the way it effected me. This conversation is going to drag on because the explainanation is right on the bloody tip of my tongue, I just need to find the words. :sorry:

Basically I think its part of a deep seated desire buried within me to experience a beautiful and deadly world without any of the bullshit. I can already hear people thinking "wtf you would get f**king cut up in that enviroment" and to a certain extent they are absolutely right. Absolutely deadly for humans, dangerous for Na'vi. It seems that if you were tailored for that enviroment (avatar) and you had the know how to survive it would be an absolute paradise. A desire to experience a lifestyle that I can never aspire to from rainy Scotland, in a school getting grades I wish I didnt need, coming out of Uni to get a job, rise up the ranks, retire and die without seeing anything mindblowing. People will say but the beautiful world is out there! The world full of Sad, Depressed, Greedy, Corrupt and Evil people. Despots, tyrants and faceless corporate bosses.

We are destroying not just our home, but the homes of other species as well. Pandora is a beautiful world without the shortcomings of ours: Humans. Can you imagine Na'vi in suits? Given enough time as a species Im sure it would be possible but in their current state they respect and love their enviroment in ways we cant possibly comprehend. If our world was left unspoiled It might even by better aesthetically with a more varied landscape (deserts, high mountains) compared to Pandora, even without the link with nature.

It is a desire to return not to our roots but a place better than that, a place where we are one with the animals and enviroment whilst retaining our humanity (Na'vinity?) and not distancing ourselves from civilisation.

Scuse me while take a breath but this came from a bloody film.

Bear in mind that this is coming from me and me alone. Everyone here has there own reasons for "Pandoramania" and I am certain my view is going to need refining as I typed that out straight from the heart without editing it. It probably makes little to no sense but its still worth reading

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I joined here cause I heard about a bunch of mofo's who were considering taking their lives, just because earth wasn't like Pandora. I found that somewhat disturbing. So I signed up. And what I have found here is quite scary. Many people here act like that movie is some sort of sacred book. The movie came out for about a month ago and as catched on very fast. A movie that, may I add, that aren't that good. I never said the effects were insufficient, that weren't that impressive seen on a regular screen (no IMAX or 3D). So I wasn't bedazzled by the effects and could see the movie for what it was: brainless entertainment. And while that's fine, I like brainless, I don't see any Transformers-tribes pop up (I'm in no way saying I like Transformers).
And the rape stuff (see you have followed my posts :thankyou: ), that is pretty much what they do. They take their ponytails, which they also use for pleasure, and then force themselves into the animals. I don't know about you, but that is pretty much how rape works.

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I can't actually believe what I'm reading from these posters - YIKES!  This is way too scary to even contemplate....the subliminals must be absolutely mind-blowing. Maybe it has something to do with being in 3D.  Thank GOD my son and I left after 15 mins or so.

 

[ekimdrachir]

biggest psi op ever?

[chris jones]

Helo P.
First, I respect the fact you are concerned about the kids.
       Do you respect the opinion of old fogys and ex military   onboard this site?
Secondly, after checking out Camerons background its safe to say that his bio suuuks, and I am not a fan of his.
That asside.
There are new people coming on to this post, their impressions may be twisted as to why members are relentless in this effort to demonize this fantasy.
I'm, being honest with you mate, if I was surfing the web, seeking a site that I could join and found so much attention being given to a fantasy flick, I might have formed a first impression,at minimum,, whats the deal here.

Again, you hammer this, you do not simply discuss. Your reports are one sided, many are convinced this fantasy flick is aimed at bringing to light the fact that corporations use the military as attack dogs for their profits. That genociding inhabitants is a practice that is of the norm. Comparisons between the regimes use of our troops to include corporative manipulations of the same.

I honestly don't want any feedback, why, your last attempt at responding was a peice of sarcasm I can do without. That you deny in every way the positive side of the message that anyone I have spoken with has received from this peice of fantasy.

It is not about the film any longer, my concern is that those who are new who bear witness to the flagrant hammering of an oppinion that insists either beleive as I do or your mornic. That is abrasive to me, and I'm, sure to a newbee, a danger sign.

The bottom line, we all have our oppinions, mine may not be the most intelligent, admittedly.
BUT..How about focusing on the new guys and giving this a break.
I just came on this particular post after I read your name, and saw that over 10,000 have read this post, or I would have stayed stump.
I admit to having researched Cameron after seeing that Sane is contrary to this flick.& My oppinion of Cameron is affirmed.

Why,did I got to the lenghts of investing Cameron, I had seen this flick and have an opposite reading on it. The bottom line is S was involved.. I admire this gent, his stamina and devotion is relentless, I have never disputed one subject that he has brought to light in the years on board here. Though I have never met S personally, I consider him a brother in this movement, a freindship formed through the years and unwavering respect.

Now you may have gotten my point, I find it more difficult to get there as the days go by. You see P, its an illness called agent orange, I'm infested with this shiiite, Monsanto and the pentagon lackeys made their money and the commoners pay. I do not enjoy speaking about this , admitting to it, and dealing with my rage and the effects this disease has.
The one thing I have not lost is the abilty to speak from the heart and whats left of my braincells. Lighten up, thats all I want to say, if I have not made my point so be it.

[Piltdown Man]

Now you may have gotten my point, I find it more difficult to get there as the days go by. You see P, its an illness called agent orange, I'm infested with this shiiite, Monsanto and the pentagon lackeys made their money and the commoners pay. I do not enjoy speaking about this , admitting to it, and dealing with my rage and the effects this disease has.
The one thing I have not lost is the abilty to speak from the heart and whats left of my braincells. Lighten up, thats all I want to say, if I have not made my point so be it.

I am very sorry for your agent orange shit...no one should have been sprayed like that...incomprehensibly wrong.  Thanks for serving our country in what I know was a sincere and bravehearted way.

I can't bring myself to apologize for being adamant about this.  It means something to me.   

And I don't worry at all about what a newbie would think. There's an insane amount of advertising bucks behind this movie, my forum posts offering another perspective to this "blockbuster" are not even a drop in the bucket.  There's really no other major venue where Avatar is being analyzed for it's psy-op possibilities.  All other criticism centers around it's predictable, unoriginal plot, not this other possibility.   

I guess I'll lighten up when millions of teens aren't rushing in droves to a 3D sensory overload fantasy that makes them hate themselves, their lives and other human beings. 

I don't see myself as relentless.  I'll think about it, though. Thanks!

[Jackson Holly]

More Forum Posts from:  http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=650&page=6

This is a thread with a poll ~

How many of the symptoms listed in the original post have you experienced?
1
2
3 or more
All
None

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So here's the first post and some responses:

colonel:

Depression/Withdrawal Research Poll
This depression seems more like the after effects of exposure to an addictive substance. I will be using the results from this poll to maybe narrow possible explanations. The data may very well be inconclusive though. Your answers will remain anonymous to me and others.

Emotional Withdrawal Symptoms

* Anxiety
* Restlessness
* Irritability
* Insomnia
* Headaches
* Poor concentration
* Depression
* Social isolation

How many of you have actually had such symptoms? I will admit to anxiety, irritability, and poor concentration.
My guess based off my own knowledge is that the endorphine response to watching the film was so great and almost similar to a drug "high". Of course your body will do its best to go back to that "high" and if not provided with the stimulus that caused the original endorphine response, these symptoms comparable to withdrawal appear.
This also begs the question, "why then did not everyone experience the same?". The neuro sensitivity to such hormones as endorphines differs from person to person. the same release in one may not be the same in another or their degrees of sensitivity and action potentials as a result differ.

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neytiri:

I've had similar symptoms, i have hard a hard time concentrating, and have been up late on forums about avatar everynight, but its been a good experience i've been looking for a pandora here on earth, and emersing my self in the movie, and the values, and characters... i love it. Neytiri is so beautiful, and jake so caring and strong, its such a beautiful story i can't stop thinking about it <333

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jay:

I wonder if “Avatar Depression” will become a real clinical condition, written about in medical journals!

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dreamingofpandora:

I know this might sound inappropiate. But that's kinda cool! This movie's audience (including me) had such a high endorphine reaction that we got depressed afterwards! I'm almost out of my depression of not being a Na'vi but hell it's been 2 weeks with it. I must say I didn't enjoy the few hours after watching the movie, but Im so glad the film exists as I wouldn't of seen this beautiful world.

I think if there is going to be a sequel, up the endorphine! I want to be sad that I don't live on Pandora or be one the Na'vi, it's a good motive to better oneself!

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Post-Pandoran Depression is definitely going to turn into something clynical. This is only a forum of a thousand members or so, imagine the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions that have seen this film and have been affected.

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likeadream:

I thought the third time would help. It did not. I have slipped deeper into the depression than ever before.

There was a couple sitting next to me and when the movie ended, the woman was crying and his husband tried to console her. I felt bad too but I managed not to cry. I stayed until the very end and I was among the last to leave. They walked after me and I kept the doors open for them. I think she might have caught the "bug" or the depression, too.

But now I am back at home and I am going to die. This depression will kill me. Eywa help me.

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unil_mil_tokx:

 I would like to add to the research of this possible "medical" condition.

There are real instances where what you see and experience, your mind may think it's real. For instance (but unrelated): SUNDS - Sudden unexpected nocturnal death syndrome. I'm not saying the Pandora Depressions will result in death. I'm giving an example where your body can actually be severely influenced by what you experience. SUNDS is where you have a heart attack from a nightmare.

Now for a related example... I do not handle adrenaline well. I usually can't breathe, I get a fever, a headache, and usually want to vomit. Usually during massive amounts of adrenaline release, I get severe chills and I shake really bad (like chugging 5 Red Bulls at once). Experiencing something like this for nearly 2 straight hours could either leave you with an addiction, or severely fatigued from the intense action. Now combine that with the interest that we all share in Na'vi and Pandora and there is a medical theory of why there is a link between this withdrawal/depression and the movie.

Occasionally, I will deal greatly with hypnosis to search the feelings of the sub-conscience. If I find anything significant, I will be sure to share it here first.


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Has anyone ever before heard of such reaction from watching a movie?

[Brocke]

Emotional Withdrawal Symptoms

* Anxiety
* Restlessness
* Irritability
* Insomnia
* Headaches
* Poor concentration
* Depression
* Social isolation

These can also be the symptoms of exposure to something toxic or simple grief or...

Symptoms of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)

PTSD symptoms of avoidance and emotional numbing

    * Avoiding activities, places, thoughts, or feelings that remind you of the trauma
    * Inability to remember important aspects of the trauma
    * Loss of interest in activities and life in general
    * Feeling detached from others and emotionally numb
    * Sense of a limited future (you don’t expect to live a normal life span, get married, have a career)

PTSD symptoms of increased arousal

    * Difficulty falling or staying asleep
    * Irritability or outbursts of anger
    * Difficulty concentrating
    * Hypervigilance (on constant “red alert”)
    * Feeling jumpy and easily startled

Other common symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder

    * Anger and irritability
    * Guilt, shame, or self-blame
    * Depression and hopelessness
    * Suicidal thoughts and feelings
    * Feeling alienated and alone
    * Headaches, stomach problems, chest pain


http://www.helpguide.org/mental/post_traumatic_stress_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm

[Jackson Holly]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.ca3bca4668285a1f68104f4a3ebd0fae.10e1&show_article=1


3-D and Web hot trends in adult entertainment
Jan 10 06:19 PM US/Eastern

A 3-D mania stoked by stunning new television sets and the blockbuster film "Avatar" is being embraced by a porn industry notorious for helping new technologies access homes.

Bad Girls In 3D used an AVN Adult Entertainment Expo that ended Sunday in Las Vegas to unveil an unprecedented online library exclusively in the format and a first-of-a-kind "turnkey digital 3-D viewing system."

"For several decades, the adult entertainment industry has driven adoption of every significant new entertainment delivery system - the VHS home-video craze in the 1980s, the satellite television mania in the 1990s and the present day Internet," said Bad Girls producer Lance Johnson.

"2010 and beyond will be all about 3-D."

Adult expo attendees wearing "active shutter glasses" grinned as they immersed themselves in a Bad Girls video displayed in 3-D on a giant high-definition television.

The firm's package consists of a 60-inch (152-centimeter) 3-D television; a compact computer server, and shutter glasses that synch with the screen to trick eyes into viewing in 3-D.

The Bad Girls system is priced at 4,000 dollars, and a subscription to the online video library costs 20 dollars a month, according to a woman at the booth that gave only her first name, Samantha.

The potential of 3-D in adult entertainment was proven decades ago by a soft-core 3-D film "The Stewardess," which raked in 27 million dollars in theaters during the two years after its release in 1969, according to Johnson.

Internet technologies were woven throughout an expo rife with with studios promoting products; barely-clad "talent" signing autographs and posing for pictures, and even a mechanical bull made into a giant phallus.

A True Companion sex robot named "Roxxxy" priced in the thousands of dollars debuted at the show and "Bone Town" was shown off as the world's first action-adventure videogame.

"There are some virtual sex games out there, but none that actually have adventure and a storyline to them," said Maximus Baptist VIII of bonetown.com.

"A corporation called The Man Inc. is trying to shut down all the sex and drugs so you have to help the people of Bone Town get rid of The Man."

The videogame can't be played on consoles because the companies making them target "a PG audience," according to Baptist.

Elsewhere on the show floor, the HotTrix company behind iBeer, iMunchies, and iBug applications for iPhones touted an App Sex Shop devoted to lascivious software for Apple's globally popular smartphones.

"We have a way to bring adult content to the iPhone without jail-breaking, hacking or altering your iPhone in any way," said HotTrix co-owner Steve August.

"Apple would not allow us to use its App Store, so we came up with our own."

More than two million applications, most of them for adult videos or pictures, have been downloaded from the HotTrix shop, according to August.

For the second year in a row, adult entertainment powerhouse Pink Visual saw visits to its mobile video service soar after Christmas as people turned on new iPhones and tapped into porn.

"Mobile has saved our (tail) this year," said Pink distribution operations manager Kim Kysar, noting that the porn industry was not spared during the economic turmoil.

"We took a hit when everyone else took a hit and mobile is making up the difference for us."

Social networking trends are also being reflected, with an online community launched about a year ago for adult entertainers and their fans.

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[Mike Philbin]

Wow, you can bet CAESAR III is keeping its eye on all this POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER stuff.

Maybe 3D is one dimension too many for the medium of drama(!)  One wonders if Pocahontas in 3D would have received such a reaction?  Maybe Avatar could have done with some rousing songs, like Pocahontas had.

 

More Forum Posts from:  http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=650&page=6

This is a thread with a poll ~

How many of the symptoms listed in the original post have you experienced?
1
2
3 or more
All
None

[Viper]

"[ S ]he has excited domestic insurrections amongst us..."

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[Jackson Holly]

Has someone at MAIL ONLINE been reading our thread?   


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242409/The-Avatar-effect-Movie-goers-feel-depressed-suicidal-able-visit-utopian-alien-planet.html


The Avatar effect: Movie-goers feel depressed
and even suicidal at not being able to visit utopian alien planet

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:54 PM on 11th January 2010

We can all identify with the escapism a trip to the movies offers from our daily lives - particularly during the bleak weather.

But fans of James Cameron's 3D sci-fi epic Avatar are seemingly finding it harder than usual to separate fact from fiction.

Internet forums have been flooded with posts by movie-goers plagued with depression and even suicidal thoughts about not being able to visit the film's utopian alien world Pandora.
A shot from movie Avatar

Lifelike: Avatar is watched in 3D and appears extremely lifelike with a range of stunning visual effects

According to CNN, North American fan site 'Avatar Forums' has received 1,000 posts under a thread entitled 'Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible'.

Forum administrator Philippe Baghdassarian said: 'I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy.

'But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed.'

The blockbuster movie - which has already taken more than $1billion at the box office - tells the story of a disabled marine sent on a mission to a planet called Pandora, home to a race of giant blue aliens.

Humans are intent on exploiting the planet for its resources but clash with the native Na'vi, who inhabit their world in perfect harmony with nature.

This fantasy world, with its weird and wonderful plant and animal life, is brought to life using stunning special effects.

Forum user 'okoi' writes: 'After I watched Avatar at the first time, I truly felt depressed as I "wake" up in this world again.

'So after a few days, I went to cinema and watched it again for the second time to relieve the depression and hopeless feeling. Now I listen to the soundtrack and share my views in this forum. It really helps.'

User Mike wrote on another fan site 'Naviblue' that he considered suicide after watching the film.

Mike wrote: 'Ever since I went to see "Avatar" I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it.

'I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar
to Pandora.'

The incredible visual realism of the film could mean viewers become particularly attached.

Dr. Stephan Quentzel, psychiatrist and Medical Director for the Louis Armstrong Centre for Music and Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Centre in New York told CNN: 'Virtual life is not real life and it never will be, but this is the pinnacle of what we can build in a virtual presentation so far.

'It has taken the best of our technology to create this virtual world and real life will never be as utopian as it seems onscreen. It makes real life seem more imperfect.'

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[ekimdrachir]

No One Has a Job - Why "Avatar" Fans Are Depressed and Suicidal

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The latest in hype from James Cameron's new Avatar movie, direct from CNN, is that viewers are so in love with Pandora that they are suicidal and depressed upon leaving to return to boring reality here on Earth. EC speculates that the blue skinned aliens in the movie really do represent something that liberals aspire to be - communal, planet-worshipping, no-job-having, scantily clad savages who just sit around and engage in pagan rituals to glorify their planet-god.

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Post-Avatar Depression (Thanks, Terry!)
11 Jan 2010 ... Suggestions from Avatar Forums members about how to deal with Post-Avatar Depression: Sit on a stump and observe bugs. ...
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/awful-links/avatar-depression-pandora.php - 6 hours ago

Post-Avatar Depression (Thanks, Terry!)

Monday, January 11, 2010 Update by Andrew "Garbage Day" Miller


I haven't seen Avatar, due to my long-standing policy of avoidance regarding films that use any form of the phrase "we're not in Kansas anymore" during their trailers. I'm glad they included this dialogue, because otherwise I might have become immersed in Pandora, the movie's purportedly not-Kansas-like fantasy world, and then suffered from crippling disillusionment when I exited the theater and realized that I was, again, very much in Kansas. This is a real thing that happens to people, as chronicled in the three-parts-and-counting Avatar Forums thread "Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible." Unlike most crazy-sounding stories forwarded about the Internet with the vaguely credible citation "it's true, it was on CNN," this actually is true, and it was reported on CNN.

I can relate to these people and their feelings of profound unfulfillment: I was totally inconsolable when I realized I might not live long enough to witness the awe-inspiring futuristic wonderland depicted in the film Aeon Flux. I built a hanging mobile of the film's magnificent floating dirigible, and watched it longingly every night as Graeme Revell's majestic score steered my dreams toward the walled city of Bregna. I had my feet surgically replaced with a second set of hands. And I started concocting a virus that will kill 99 percent of the Earth's population in 2011, thus hopefully setting the film's events into motion. I guess what I'm saying is: Stop whining, people, and make Pandora happen! You can start by cross-breeding with cats and scanning the Alpha Centauri star system for undiscovered moons.

Suggestions from Avatar Forums members about how to deal with Post-Avatar Depression:

    * Sit on a stump and observe bugs.
    * Open your eyes to the true magic of ourselves.
    * Be that person holding the flag of change.
    * fanfiction.net

[NinjaGaijin]

I wish someone would trout slap all these kids and tell them

If they care about changing the world, start to uncover the lies within

Like posting here

Yah, SUICIDE will help them, some Navi'gator thing in astral world will start tail raping them if they did that.

It's messed up. How can people really get so sucked in.. it must be mostly for kids (as said above), male, that have less brain function to determine reality over fantasy..
This is just some crappy adventure video game with NO inputs. It's just some 3D game that is on rails.

I think Cameron should kill himself after this. At least Titanic just made me want to barf everytime i'd see an ad or something (I've NEVER SEEN IT!!!!) - it didn't seem to make girls want to kill themselves in a ship to recreate the movie.

But now, people say that to live in a jungle is good? Why don't they just move to South America and they can start communing with nature. If ya wanna be real about it, go do the Ayahuasca .. or if ya wanna be fake, go run coke in Belize. Either way you'll probably get kidnapped. Lol.

I can't believe people also post thinking it's REAL like, 'I wish I could be there' ffs it's a lame movie, with lame effects. Jaws in 3D would be more fun. And Sigorney Weaver? Eww I'll stay away from any planet she's on thanks.

[Mike Philbin]

I'll say this again so it can be ignored, "Left image goes to right side of brain for processing. Right image goes to left hand side of brain for processing. Flashing/strobing/psychedelic brain patterns can be set up in the brain, fed every hundredth of a second."

God only knows what the real effect of trippy imagery such as this in left-eye right-eye serial synchrony like this can do. I bet there's been no lots of Rockefeller-funded research into this in our esteemed universities. I bet there are professors out there who KNOW WHAT THE EFFECTS of left-eye right-eye programming are.

Depression/devotion?  yeah, but what else?  it is a 3.5 hour film!  maybe it needs THAT long to work?

Man, CAN I HAVE MY FREE PLANET (and my unique brain) BACK ALREADY?

[Jackson Holly]

I'll say this again so it can be ignored, "Left image goes to right side of brain for processing. Right image goes to left hand side of brain for processing. Flashing/strobing/psychedelic brain patterns can be set up in the brain, fed every hundredth of a second."

God only knows what the real effect of trippy imagery such as this in left-eye right-eye serial synchrony like this can do. I bet there's been no lots of Rockefeller-funded research into this in our esteemed universities. I bet there are professors out there who KNOW WHAT THE EFFECTS of left-eye right-eye programming are.

Depression/devotion?  yeah, but what else?  it is a 3.5 hour film!  maybe it needs THAT long to work?

Man, CAN I HAVE MY FREE PLANET (and my unique brain) BACK ALREADY?

Great post Mike ... I firmly believe that hyper-MK is where this is headed. The left/right brain
manipulation will probably prove to be the key for what is coming.

They have just begun the super-hi-tech attack.

[ekimdrachir]

Great post Mike ... I firmly believe that hyper-MK is where this is headed. The left/right brain
manipulation will probably prove to be the key for what is coming.

They have just begun the super-hi-tech attack.

I agree. The way my little brother is addicted to video games, and they way HD seems to suck people in, worries me. These neural interfaces are going to make it very difficult to determine what thoughts are private. The future looks like shit.

[Mike Philbin]

The future's so bright, I gotta wear alternating polarity shades.

fixed for ekimdrahcir-contextuality

 

[Michal Ptacnik]

It is never the images themselves, it is the pain of realizing that you want something more from life, while at the same time you can not even imagine how this more would look like in the real world, you can not even name the object of your desire because you do not have the vocabulary to do so.
Suddenly, you get a definitive image of an aspect of that "something more" (tribal society and pristine nature in Avatar, the high school friendship and personal power in Harry Potter, the wise order of the knights in Star Wars) and your desire attaches itself to it because it is the only way how your mind can conceptualize the inner pain of not having what it desperately wishes for.

The Pandora Syndrom is a proof that we are yet human, that there is yet a part in those people that cares. It is also a proof that our society is rotten to the core because it's vocabulary does not even allow us to formulate our innermost desires.

Please keep in mind that I am NOT saying that our innermost desire is to be tall blue giants, no. Our innermost desire is to experience and grow, to be heroes (of our own tale, not just extras) in the broadest sense of the word. This is what stories of all ages communicate to us - the ideal of a Hero's Journey (not just the archetypal myth, there are infinite variations); and what we have forgotten is that a Hero's Journey is ultimately only a reflection of what each and every one of us needs, though each has his or her own form of it's expression.

Our society has convinced us that we are not heroes of our stories, that the best we can hope for is the "good life" (find a wife, have kids, go to work, grow old, die), which is what extras do; our society has even convinced us that we can not even aspire to be heroes, that it "isn't proper;" and we have forgotten that "not being proper" is the first thing that separates heroes from normal people.