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« Reply #320 on: December 30, 2009, 12:31:03 PM »

ROFL

No we are all going to live in One World Govt Federation...
There will be only one currency
Our badge will be a disguised Pentagram
We will start of with The Enterprise being handed over by Captain A. Pike to Kirk...

WTF...

I'm not saying ALL Sci-Fi is bad, but when people start trolling AVATAR because they are sad little douche bag sad-fi nut I will speak up.


all good points but the original series was cancelled (although viewership was through the roof) because of the pro "freewill" and pro-human storylines that Roddenberry was able to sneak in. Shit the fricking pilot episode exposed the complete insanity of cloning/avatars.
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« Reply #321 on: December 30, 2009, 12:50:36 PM »

While you might detest the idea of someone lusting after an unreal image of feminity, it might be beneficial to try to understand that it is not a matter of conscious choice, or a perversion. Some of us are wired this way[/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size], some the other way. Using the name "pervert," with all the connotations, serve no purpose save perhaps the purpose of division.

P.C. Malarkey.....that my friends is total NWO psycho-babble....

you are some kind of feel good fruit loop......you and your division crap....you honestly think that some may claim and state whatever they want and we must be "tolerant" of that, and not apply descriptions of said claim/statement in order to save ourselves from division...if you were my eye I'd pluck you out....you my are a loon.
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« Reply #322 on: December 30, 2009, 12:53:52 PM »

Sane's awesome post of the day

Except he's wrong, and last I checked, still hasn't even seen the movie.
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« Reply #323 on: December 30, 2009, 12:56:42 PM »

Star Trek is not pro-illuminati, but it has become a convenient tool for dumbing down the public on matters of science. We learn that in order to fly through space we need "innertia dampeners and warp drives," and as we don't have them, we can't demand a progress in this field; that is of course a blatant, evil lie that took the stars from us.

Beyond that, how is the idea of tolerance and cooperation between races, and peace, evil, exactly?


...because it cannot be accomplished within this current plane of existence, and you are a fool to think otherwise, your logical fallacies are stacking up, I am quite amazed, that if your previous 440 posts have contained this level of childish logic, that you have not been run out of here on a rail......you are the epitome of a stolid vassal of the touchy feelies kind.....
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« Reply #324 on: December 30, 2009, 01:28:32 PM »

...because it cannot be accomplished within this current plane of existence, and you are a fool to think otherwise, your logical fallacies are stacking up, I am quite amazed, that if your previous 440 posts have contained this level of childish logic, that you have not been run out of here on a rail......you are the epitome of a stolid vassal of the touchy feelies kind.....

You could have stuck with "because you're wrong and I'm right" as your argument.  Would have saved you some time, and come off as less obtuse.

Let me ask you something though, just because something "can't" be accomplished.  Does that mean we shouldn't try? There's a common argument among Christians and other Zionists that the End Times and One World Government are inevitable, and unstoppable.  As a result, many think we shouldn't bother fighting against it, and a small minority even suggest helping it along so as to "hasten the Christ's return."

Is this a line of thought you would agree with?

It seems to me, you fight against evil because it is right to do so.  You seek peace because it is right to do so.  You preserve life because it is right to do so.  You give to the needy because it is right to do so.

There may well always be evil.  There may well always be conflict.  Everyone certainly dies.  And there may well always be the needy.  Yet that does not mean you stop doing anything about it, or stop promoting what is good just because it is believed impossible to accomplish.
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« Reply #325 on: December 30, 2009, 01:36:52 PM »

Except he's wrong, and last I checked, still hasn't even seen the movie.

well then you have not checked very well because i saw the movie like 4 pages ago. of course it is nice to get your opinion that I am "wrong" and since you are confirmed factually to be "wrong" concerning my viewing this (shoulda been straight to DVD absurdity) unoriginal film then your opinion of my opinion has a high probability of also factually turning out to be "wrong".
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« Reply #326 on: December 30, 2009, 01:38:57 PM »

well then you have not checked very well because i saw the movie like 4 pages ago. of course it is nice to get your opinion that I am "wrong" and since you are confirmed factually to be "wrong" concerning my viewing this (shoulda been straight to DVD absurdity) unoriginal film then your opinion of my opinion has a high probability of also factually turning out to be "wrong".

Ah, it'd been a few days since I checked.  I still think you're reading far too much into the movie, even though it does have it's ideological issues.  But after all, you're entitled to your opinion just as I am.
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« Reply #327 on: December 30, 2009, 01:40:12 PM »

Ah, it'd been a few days since I checked.  I still think you're reading far too much into the movie, even though it does have it's ideological issues.  But after all, you're entitled to your opinion just as I am.

no you are not because I am a forum nazi!

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« Reply #328 on: December 30, 2009, 02:06:26 PM »

You could have stuck with "because you're wrong and I'm right" as your argument.  Would have saved you some time, and come off as less obtuse.

Let me ask you something though, just because something "can't" be accomplished.  Does that mean we shouldn't try? There's a common argument among Christians and other Zionists that the End Times and One World Government are inevitable, and unstoppable.  As a result, many think we shouldn't bother fighting against it, and a small minority even suggest helping it along so as to "hasten the Christ's return."

Is this a line of thought you would agree with?

It seems to me, you fight against evil because it is right to do so.  You seek peace because it is right to do so.  You preserve life because it is right to do so.  You give to the needy because it is right to do so.

There may well always be evil.  There may well always be conflict.  Everyone certainly dies.  And there may well always be the needy.  Yet that does not mean you stop doing anything about it, or stop promoting what is good just because it is believed impossible to accomplish.

First I will set the record straight;

I am no dispensational premillennialist, your lumping together of premillennialist's and Zionist is inane....my eschatological view is preterist if you must know...

I stay far away from backchannel P.C. NWO doublespeak... the preface to his touchy feelie cry was how Star Trek has caused science to retard.... that is a lie. Before that he advocates perversion as "the way some are wired" total P.C. bullshit... my point was that for this to be a central tenant in our agenda will result in a large majority of people will fall by the wayside, because the fact remains that as this plane exists, evil will reside, so I just don't focus on the strive for unity shit, I am a realist, and when the shit hits the fan I want those to know that to fight this tyranny you must realize that only One can remedey the root problem, therefore we will never succeed fully, but I never advocate that we do not fight.......
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« Reply #329 on: December 30, 2009, 02:11:02 PM »

It seems the posts here are doing well to point out the James Cameron / mason relationship.  I have not seen where James Cameron ever admitted to being a mason.  No one has proven it, although there are many who said he is.  Supposedly his father is a mason.  And because his father was a mason, by association, James Cameron is a part of the illuminati?  And his movie is all baaaaad, because of this?

Well if that argument holds true, then what is to be said of Alex Jones and his admitted associations with the Masons, and by derivation the Alex Jones films?

See using the "he is a Mason!" argument cannot be the platform of argument guys.  Nor can "his father was a mason" argument.

To do so, one must also apply that same argument to Alex.  

This illustrates the bullshit argument.

Regarding all the "orgiastic" "sexual" "orgasms" arguments, you folks are amazing in that you associate so much of the movie with sex.  There was only one sex scene in the whole movie.  That really illustrates just how dirty minded you are.  If one goes to get a back massage, based on those opinions, that will be regarded as sexual.  It describes that no actions can be done whatsoever with innocence.

Pray tell guys.  If James Cameron had the option of doing this from the start, and he asked for opinion on how to tell this story, without offending the patriot movement or offending the sensibilities of the members of different religions.  What would you suggest?

To criticize this work without providing or showing better ways for one to do the work, is like being a TVA supervisor; y'know the one standing with both hands on his hips!
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« Reply #330 on: December 30, 2009, 02:30:24 PM »

I'm sorry to anyone that likes these kinds of movies, (or AVATAR in general), but this has to be one of the most garbage, over-hyped, over-produced, NWO suck fests that I have ever heard of. 

That explains why it's been so successful, doesn't it?

 Grin
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« Reply #331 on: December 30, 2009, 02:30:47 PM »

It seems the posts here are doing well to point out the James Cameron / mason relationship.  I have not seen where James Cameron ever admitted to being a mason.  No one has proven it, although there are many who said he is.  Supposedly his father is a mason.  And because his father was a mason, by association, James Cameron is a part of the illuminati?  And his movie is all baaaaad, because of this?

Well if that argument holds true, then what is to be said of Alex Jones and his admitted associations with the Masons, and by derivation the Alex Jones films?

See using the "he is a Mason!" argument cannot be the platform of argument guys.  Nor can "his father was a mason" argument.

To do so, one must also apply that same argument to Alex.  

This illustrates the bullshit argument.

Regarding all the "orgiastic" "sexual" "orgasms" arguments, you folks are amazing in that you associate so much of the movie with sex.  There was only one sex scene in the whole movie.  That really illustrates just how dirty minded you are.  If one goes to get a back massage, based on those opinions, that will be regarded as sexual.  It describes that no actions can be done whatsoever with innocence.

Pray tell guys.  If James Cameron had the option of doing this from the start, and he asked for opinion on how to tell this story, without offending the patriot movement or offending the sensibilities of the members of different religions.  What would you suggest?

To criticize this work without providing or showing better ways for one to do the work, is like being a TVA supervisor; y'know the one standing with both hands on his hips!

I totally agree.

This thread has gone off the rails. I guess an absurd title change is enough to gather the sheep. No need to think after that, just follow. As with many things, time will be the judge.

DavidB, luckee1, Chris Jones, Monkeypox, I'm with you.
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« Reply #332 on: December 30, 2009, 03:09:09 PM »

I am no dispensational premillennialist, your lumping together of premillennialist's and Zionist is inane

To be clear, that was meant to be qualified, as in not all Christians, and not all Zionists, but that there are those among both groups that argue for it.  It was not an attempt to lump them all together as one big unit.

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One can remedey the root problem, therefore we will never succeed fully, but I never advocate that we do not fight.......

Fair enough.  The way you had written, I had inferred, incorrectly it seems, a more docile outlook on the struggle.  Thank you for your clarifications.
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« Reply #333 on: December 30, 2009, 03:26:32 PM »

You know my absolute, unwavering respect that you continue to contribute to this forum and that I always look for the gold in every single one of your posts. I am always left having my expectations exceeded by your genuine and human communications.

OK, gt that out of the way...I would like to invite you to relook at a few long term strategies of the New World Order. I elieve that given the past 100 years of bombs, invasions, controlling of resources... we may not be able to see these strategies too clearly.

First off, there is no doubt whatsoever that this movie on a superficial (and maybe even subficial) level exposes the injustices created via the ideology of "war for resources".  The intricacies of this messaging are apparent and you have actually lived through the eye of this devil in vietnam. For almost 100 years, General Smedley Butler (most decorated soldier of WWI) has been exposing the genocidal insanity caused by wars for resources via (1) his book "War is a Racket", (2) his actions in the soldiers' march post WWI, and (3) his actions that exposed the fascist coup attempt of 1933.

Many patriotic Americans in Hollywood exposed this issue as well like Clint Eastwood in "The Outlaw Josey Wales" by showing that it is the HUMAN BEINGS that are being destroyed by governments/elite psychopaths who are devoid of all humanity. In other words, it is not that the HUMAN BEINGS are the ones creating the genocide. The HUMAN BEINGS are the ones fighting to prevent these things from happening and that lesson is definitely missed IMO with this movie (as well as with District 9). This movie IMO attempts to hijack the 100 year old (and greater) "War is a Racket" movement which is a HUMAN BEING movement. The movement exposes the beauty and godliness of being human and transposes it to an ANTI-HUMAN BEING perception. I think there is much evidence in this movie to show that this has been done.

As far as the corporatistic abuses of power and psychopathic thinking, the movie Aliens 2 (for example) I think showed a more realistic approach to the deceptions and devious planning by attempting to have Ridley incubate an alien which would be patented for a private corporation. (sorry if the reference is not as familiar, but it was one heck of a subtle plot line in that movie).

So moving on beyond the general knowledge that HUMAN BEINGS when not deprived of knowledge and not artificially driven toward scarcity would probably not support such war crimes, what is the NO WAR agenda and how could it possibly fit into the NWO plans?

Well HUMAN BEINGS will give up these wars on their own through a general awakening of wisdom and knowledge. The elites know this, it is a foregone conclusion. Governments attain most of their illegal power through empire building, defending against fake threats, and perpetual wars against non-distinct enemies.

In the 1960's the Kennedy Administration had a meeting in Iron Mountain to discuss the future of the country when war would no longer be available as a mechanism to control the people.  This began the planning for mechanisms for government control during the eventual establishment of "world peace".  Please understand that this has nothing to do with an actual world peace that is attempting to take shape through knowledge and wisdom. This is the controlled world peace of a new world order which determines that a handful of pharaohs sit at the top and everyone else acts in service to the general collective which is architected by these pharaohs. This is a New World Order which will control people's consumption, breathing, medical allocations, entertainment, education, fertility, thoughts, etc. 40 years ago this was far fetched, it is less far fetched today. The following documentary on Iron Mountain (which is given from a christian perspective, but over 90% of it is a universal alert to free humanity) may assist in seeing the next phase of the NWO agenda. It is the same as the Global Warming agenda and the idea of zero population growth and sustainable environment.

I invite you to watch this video and then see if there is a possibility that this movie attempts to condition millions to push elements of this agenda onto their communities via what I am calling propaganda.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6745627342652553091

More detailed information here: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/iron_mountain.htm

Hi S.

I just read the Iron Mountain report. It looks as though JFK  became acutely aware of the down side to this plan.
(An open door for the return of the Pharoahs).
To reiterate he was assassinated shortly after bringing to light the shadow powers intent. One of his three strikes, this, the Fed, and ending the war.( a enlightened man, as were MLK, RFK)
Before I continue I want to thank you for your comments, in all honesty you have been the one to keep the fire lit & the torch burning.
I admit that I have never entertained the thought that these types of movies have  effected the citizens. I can sum that up by stating I have been a bottom liner hard core anit war, anti Gov controll, and a pro freedom activist for so long no films have I have seen other than the the John Wayne steriotypes hit me as propaganda.

I agree whole heartedly that Gore is a front man for the NWO.
 Yes too that the ultimate goal of the royalist elites is to control this globe and its inhabitants, to include exterimination, imprisoning and creating a slave mentality under the guise of freedom and human equality.  I realize you know where I stand therfore I won't rant.

I guess the bottom line is I have never given a thought to these films being used to provoke an underlying current, I simply filed them away as entertainment.
Your truths, devotion to our freedoms and tireless energy to bring awareness to the people is one that I admire and respect.
I have had a difficult time recognizing any harmfull effects with this film, however and for the above stated reasons I will begin to research  this methodry, and yes out of respect for you and the many years I have been tuned into your battery of information..
Though I have not made the connection and may not, I will give this serious thought before I reply again.
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Please know that several items that have been ongoing are the attack on those who do not conform, the direct assault on any and all who may be Masonic, not illuminati, simply members. Who as mentioned before I have seen awoken, as we were.  I am with hope that we carry the message of truth to all, that there are some isolating their perspective to Christians  beleifs only. It would dissapoint me if divisions were begun within this site that would effect our cause. Divisions are a tool of the NWO not ours, our base is truth, undiscriminating truth.
 Disagreements are a necessity at times, this has become open warfare, we are all int he same boat here, lets not drill holes in it.
 

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« Reply #334 on: December 30, 2009, 04:42:05 PM »

Hi S.

I just read the Iron Mountain report. It looks as though JFK  became acutely aware of the down side to this plan.
(An open door for the return of the Pharoahs).
To reiterate he was assassinated shortly after bringing to light the shadow powers intent. One of his three strikes, this, the Fed, and ending the war.( a enlightened man, as were MLK, RFK)
Before I continue I want to thank you for your comments, in all honesty you have been the one to keep the fire lit & the torch burning.
I admit that I have never entertained the thought that these types of movies have  effected the citizens. I can sum that up by stating I have been a bottom liner hard core anit war, anti Gov controll, and a pro freedom activist for so long no films have I have seen other than the the John Wayne steriotypes hit me as propaganda.

I agree whole heartedly that Gore is a front man for the NWO.
 Yes too that the ultimate goal of the royalist elites is to control this globe and its inhabitants, to include exterimination, imprisoning and creating a slave mentality under the guise of freedom and human equality.  I realize you know where I stand therfore I won't rant.

I guess the bottom line is I have never given a thought to these films being used to provoke an underlying current, I simply filed them away as entertainment.
Your truths, devotion to our freedoms and tireless energy to bring awareness to the people is one that I admire and respect.
I have had a difficult time recognizing any harmfull effects with this film, however and for the above stated reasons I will begin to research  this methodry, and yes out of respect for you and the many years I have been tuned into your battery of information..
Though I have not made the connection and may not, I will give this serious thought before I reply again.
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Please know that several items that have been ongoing are the attack on those who do not conform, the direct assault on any and all who may be Masonic, not illuminati, simply members. Who as mentioned before I have seen awoken, as we were.  I am with hope that we carry the message of truth to all, that there are some isolating their perspective to Christians  beleifs only. It would dissapoint me if divisions were begun within this site that would effect our cause. Divisions are a tool of the NWO not ours, our base is truth, undiscriminating truth.
 Disagreements are a necessity at times, this has become open warfare, we are all int he same boat here, lets not drill holes in it.
 

CJ


Chris, I 1,000% agree with all that you have written, most of which about JFK. He saw the inherent evil in this vision that was being concocted by his father's pals (the elite banksters, royals, industrialists) and attempted to stear this vessel to a brighter path. When they disposed of him, MLK attempted to affect a groundswell against the tyrants. When they disposed of Martin, Bobby shed a new light with peaceful words and corageous speeches that would put Ghandi to shame. When they disposed of RFK we were truly lost and only now are finding our way back to the visions of the founding fathers and the warriors of a free humanity.

As far as the mason stuff, it is irrelevant. James Cameron is an elite, that is the point, not that he is a mason/freemason (I never met a freemason that I did not like-they are recruited from the most community oriented members of society). He is an elite that can summon $500 Million on a 2.5 hour piece of propaganda (as I believe it to be).  Only an elite member of society can do such a thing ($300 million on production and a whopping $200 million on marketing besides another $250+ million on cross marketing campaign, co-marketing campaigns-this thing is a monstrosity as far as the attempted saturation globally. Once cannot help but be amazed at why there is such a coordinated effort for this film being pushed onto everyone when no other film has ever had this type of push).

As far as what the agenda being pushed is, that is of course up to the viewer. I think I have made my opinions somewhat clear (as I often do).

Happy new year old friend.
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« Reply #335 on: December 30, 2009, 04:44:44 PM »

That explains why it's been so successful, doesn't it?

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$200 million in marketing + over $250 million in cross marketing/co-marketing + coordinated opening week in over 173 countries with combined IMAX/Regular theater highest # of theaters in the history of cinema?

Howard the Duck would have been successful with this push.
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« Reply #336 on: December 30, 2009, 05:13:02 PM »

$200 million in marketing + over $250 million in cross marketing/co-marketing + coordinated opening week in over 173 countries with combined IMAX/Regular theater highest # of theaters in the history of cinema?

Howard the Duck would have been successful with this push.

They did the same thing for one of the horrible Batman movies. I forget which one, there were so many horrible Batman movies over the years.

 Cheesy
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« Reply #337 on: December 30, 2009, 05:35:47 PM »



I run a fan blog about James Cameron and I was expecting that the Patriot movement would go wild for this movie.  



dude if you run a fan blog about J Cameron you are helping spread appreciation of a 33rd Degree mason, one of the elite of the power elite who meet in secret to discuss psyops, bankster maneuvers, depopulation and plan the general physical, industrial, environmental degradation of our society.  Maybe choose, i dunno, Kucinich, Paul, Jones, or some other actual patriot to run a fan blog about.
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« Reply #338 on: December 30, 2009, 05:48:10 PM »

They didn't whimsically choose blue.  



Project BLUE beam? hmmmmm.  naw, that's just a crazy coincidence.  All these harmless 33rd degree mason guys, coincidence RULES their lives.  they love spending half a bill on random crazy unplanned coincidences, hey I bet those arm patch logos are just a crazy pentagonal coincidence too.  (NOT)

33rd degree masons are some of the most fun lovin random people I know  (NOT!!!)

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=146189.0

PS: someone on this thread said Avatar didn't cost NEARLY 500 mill.  They have been very secretive about exactly how much it cost.  It's been ten years in the making and it's anyone's guess how much it cost.  500 mill is a middle of the road guess.
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« Reply #339 on: December 30, 2009, 05:48:42 PM »

I tried watchin' a better copy with subtitles for the blue things, though i didn't need the subtitles,
i couldn't watch it again, really, i just switched it on and it didn't last not 10 seconds, it's gone,
i don't wanna see it again.
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« Reply #340 on: December 30, 2009, 06:00:06 PM »

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19981107&id=enQKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CUsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4835,1226469

and this is another coincidence....NOT

Check this out;
10 years ago, Cameron researched the use of voice overs through microphones for Titanic so blind people could "experience" the movie.  George Bush Sr. (big daddy illuminati) was at the unveiling of this technique.

Cameron's early induction to the Masonic Order was through his association with a consortium of MK Ultra psychiatrists who specialized in mind control through subliminal voice patterning. 


The reason the "consortium" approached James Cameron was for the opportunity to use subliminal imagery and emotional manipulation on mass numbers of people and prepare them for an engineered future.

James Cameron continued onward in his career to enter the world of Roger Corman. The studio owned by Corman was named "New World Pictures". The "New World" was short for "New World Order", a phrase that embodies the idealism of Freemasonry, a global government. The phrase would eventually be spoken in public by President George Bush(Former Director of the CIA and 33rd Degree Mason) in 1991.

Cameron worked as miniature builder, model unit Director of Photography and matte painter on a film called "Battle Beyond the Stars" . The film's title was symbolic of a belief held by many in the UFO community as well as Freemasons that an ancient battle took place in this solar system thousands of years ago. The idea was to use MK-ULTRA technology to prepare the masses to believe in extra-terrestials for the purpose of bringing humanity into the "New World Order". More of this would be used later in Cameron's film career.

Determined to get into directing, Cameron worked on another science fiction film with a symbolic name, "Galaxy of Terror". Cameron became second unit director.

In 1982, during the early years of the administration of President Ronald Reagan(33rd Degree Mason), Cameron wrote "The Terminator" along with his 2nd wife Gale Anne Hurd, who's a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, a Masonic women's organization.

The basic idea of "The Terminator" involved sending a man back through time to prevent a cyborg from killing a woman who would give birth to humanity's savior, a man who would save humanity from a world ruled by machines. The symbology of this story was taken from the Bible with the woman's situation somewhat compared to the "virgin mary" and humanity's savior paralleled to her son.

The Freemasonic symbolism in the Terminator was obvious throughout the movie. One of the first symbols was the use of "blue light" used in dark situations. This would later become one of Cameron's directing styles.

The blue light was symbolic of Cameron's ascension from the first three degrees of Freemasonry, which are known as the blue degrees, to the next level of degrees which are known as the York Rite.


I'm sorry if I offend Luckee etc; but I have no doubt there is subliminal mind control crap being trotted out here and I don't feel like shuttin up about it.

remember how Cameron said repeatedly that the technology he wanted for this movie wasn't available til now??
I mean, to all of you who keep saying those of us warning about this movie are crazies who see the NWO everywhere...uh, they ARE making their move, big time, pretty much everywhere right now.

Give me a low budget indie film any freakin day of the year.




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« Reply #341 on: December 30, 2009, 06:16:27 PM »

Please provide proof that James Cameron - who grew up in a house in Ontario in a family of 7 that's smaller than most Americans' garages, and who has one year of community college, and who built himself up from nothing to create the most successful movie of all time (by a gigantic margin) - is a "33rd degree illuminati satanist".

It's a pretty crazy claim, so I assume that you can prove it.  Thanks.
 

Do your own research...he's on every compiled list going back at least eight years.  There are countless lists of people in the order.
way before he was even very famous, he was on lists.

They aren't supposed to reveal who is in the order.  Duh.  it's a secretive order.  But MANY have made it their business to figure it out; people who watch such things note public hand signals,  general behaviour, associations, business partners, career trajectory, funding sources, media protection/control etc ad infinitum

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« Reply #342 on: December 30, 2009, 06:18:44 PM »

Do your own research...
You should try watching it if you can, for insight into the mindset of these folks.
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« Reply #343 on: December 30, 2009, 06:19:44 PM »

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19981107&id=enQKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CUsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4835,1226469

and this is another coincidence....NOT

Check this out;
10 years ago, Cameron researched the use of voice overs through microphones for Titanic so blind people could "experience" the movie.  George Bush Sr. (big daddy illuminati) was at the unveiling of this technique.

Cameron's early induction to the Masonic Order was through his association with a consortium of MK Ultra psychiatrists who specialized in mind control through subliminal voice patterning. 


The reason the "consortium" approached James Cameron was for the opportunity to use subliminal imagery and emotional manipulation on mass numbers of people and prepare them for an engineered future.

James Cameron continued onward in his career to enter the world of Roger Corman. The studio owned by Corman was named "New World Pictures". The "New World" was short for "New World Order", a phrase that embodies the idealism of Freemasonry, a global government. The phrase would eventually be spoken in public by President George Bush(Former Director of the CIA and 33rd Degree Mason) in 1991.

Cameron worked as miniature builder, model unit Director of Photography and matte painter on a film called "Battle Beyond the Stars" . The film's title was symbolic of a belief held by many in the UFO community as well as Freemasons that an ancient battle took place in this solar system thousands of years ago. The idea was to use MK-ULTRA technology to prepare the masses to believe in extra-terrestials for the purpose of bringing humanity into the "New World Order". More of this would be used later in Cameron's film career.

Determined to get into directing, Cameron worked on another science fiction film with a symbolic name, "Galaxy of Terror". Cameron became second unit director.

In 1982, during the early years of the administration of President Ronald Reagan(33rd Degree Mason), Cameron wrote "The Terminator" along with his 2nd wife Gale Anne Hurd, who's a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, a Masonic women's organization.

The basic idea of "The Terminator" involved sending a man back through time to prevent a cyborg from killing a woman who would give birth to humanity's savior, a man who would save humanity from a world ruled by machines. The symbology of this story was taken from the Bible with the woman's situation somewhat compared to the "virgin mary" and humanity's savior paralleled to her son.

The Freemasonic symbolism in the Terminator was obvious throughout the movie. One of the first symbols was the use of "blue light" used in dark situations. This would later become one of Cameron's directing styles.

The blue light was symbolic of Cameron's ascension from the first three degrees of Freemasonry, which are known as the blue degrees, to the next level of degrees which are known as the York Rite.


I'm sorry if I offend Luckee etc; but I have no doubt there is subliminal mind control crap being trotted out here and I don't feel like shuttin up about it.

remember how Cameron said repeatedly that the technology he wanted for this movie wasn't available til now??
I mean, to all of you who keep saying those of us warning about this movie are crazies who see the NWO everywhere...uh, they ARE making their move, big time, pretty much everywhere right now.

Give me a low budget indie film any freakin day of the year.






So you start with a link to a newspaper article that sure enough refers to Cameron's movie "Titanic" and blind people. Did you just pull the rest of this out of your ass, or are there links to the rest of your story.
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« Reply #344 on: December 30, 2009, 06:22:41 PM »

Hi S.

 

I guess the bottom line is I have never given a thought to these films being used to provoke an underlying current, I simply filed them away as entertainment.
 
 Disagreements are a necessity at times, this has become open warfare, we are all int he same boat here, lets not drill holes in it.
 
 


i don't think this is open warfare at all, i think this is great fun and very productive!  Why?  Because of your first sentence I quoted: "the bottom line is I have never given a thought to these films being used to provoke an underlying current, I simply filed them away as entertainment."

Bingo!  Where did you file them?  Where did they get stored in your trusting, momentarily vulnerable and unsuspecting mind?  How are they affecting your attitude and perception of the world?  If the propaganda is sold as just "entertainment" you don't question it.   This is key, absolutely key.
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« Reply #345 on: December 30, 2009, 06:25:26 PM »

So you start with a link to a newspaper article that sure enough refers to Cameron's movie "Titanic" and blind people. Did you just pull the rest of this out of your ass, or are there links to the rest of your story.

The quote was from an article i posted, linked and quoted from twice already on this thread.   http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html
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« Reply #346 on: December 30, 2009, 06:28:10 PM »

When the aliens won over the humans in District 9 that wasn't so bad cause they we're only trying to leave the planet behind.
In this movie it's a big alien kills man festival.
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« Reply #347 on: December 30, 2009, 06:29:52 PM »

JAMES CAMERON - 33RD DEGREE FREEMASON

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg40025.html

 


After being instated as a 33rd Degree Freemason in a brief ceremony before
the Academy Awards on March 23rd, 1998 in the Shrine Auditorium in Los
Angeles, Cameron has spent his free time being initiated into the secrets of
the fraterinity and being assisted by other 33rd Degree Freemasons.


On Thursday November 5th, in Houston, Texas, the Loews Cineplex Spectrum
theatre hosted an event marking the debut of TheatreVision technology in that
city. TheatreVision technology allows blind persons to listen to a narration
of events taking place on the screen in-between moments of dialogue and
during action sequences.


The event was arranged by RP International, a charitable group that helps the
blind. Three of the films screen during this event were "Titanic", "Quest for
Camelot" and "Mulan". Titanic began running on the projectors at 3:33 PM.


Attendees at this event included the founder of RP International Helen
Harris, who's organization combats retinitis pigmentosa a degenerative eye
disease, director James Cameron and former President George Bush. This event
was part of a Theatre Vision "Festival of Light" to bring this technology to
theatres across America. After the charity event, Cameron and Bush were both
at a private banquet at the Houston Country Club.


Why is the presence of George Bush so significant? It's known that George
Bush was the former director of the CIA in the 1970's, Vice-President to
Ronald Reagan during the 80's and President of the United States from 1988 to
1992. But it's also known that Bush is a 33rd Degree Freemason, member of
both the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and a
member of the Harvard fraternities known as the "Skull and Bones" and "Scroll
and Key".


Another interesting revelation in the James Cameron Conspiracy Theory is that
MK-ULTRA mind control technology, developed by the CIA in the 1950's was
embedded into Cameron's films from the beginning of his career to the present.


MK-ULTRA came to an end in 1973 on orders from then CIA Director Richard
Helms. After Helms left the CIA, George Bush became director under President
Gerald Ford in 1974. According to Freedom of Information Act Sources, Bush
had many files relating to MK-ULTRA and mind control technology destroyed or
hidden under a new project name called MK-SEARCH.


When Cameron began his film career at age 30 in the late 1970's, he was
already a member of the Freemasons from the age of 21, possibly introduced to
the fraternity by his father, Phillip Cameron. Since a group of Freemasons
helped Cameron finance his film projects while they secretly embedded
MK-ULTRA technology into his films, it's logical to conclude that the person
controlling MK-ULTRA technology under project MK-SEARCH at that time was none
other than George Bush, Director of the CIA and a 33rd Degree Mason.


Which brings us back to Houston, Texas, November 5th, 1998. Titanic began
playing at 3:33 PM. The timing of the showing of Titanic is symbolic because
of the presence of "33" in 3:33 which would be symbolic of 33rd Degree
Freemasons who timed the event.


According to Helen Harris, Titanic was the "first" film in Theatre Vision in
which the director has described his own work. In the conspiracy theory about
Cameron, it described how Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron, the father of MK-ULTRA
would record his voice and play it to patients as a form of mind control.
Could James Cameron's voice overs in Titanic be used for the same purposes,
for mind control?


Theatre Vision theatres provide special head phones to the blind which allows
them to listen to the film and the voice overs describing action. Harris had
also stated that people who aren't sight impaired are using the headsets
provided and don't put them down. Perhaps a clue to the power of subliminal
voice patterns being introduced into this technology? Could this be the
reason George Bush attended this event, to see the fruitition of a new
generation of MK-ULTRA mind control technology being used on the unsuspecting
public?


Eventually, the plan of Theatre Vision and Helen Harris is to embed this
technology into every motion picture in theatres and on video. Harris
described the introduction of this technology to the film industry as "an
enlightening experience".

(NOTE from me (piltdown man):  THIS IS WHY YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO SEE THIS MOVIE PEOPLE>>> JUST THINK ABOUT IT!)

An obvious Freemasonic reference, which may make
Harris a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, the Freemasonic women's
organization.


The adaption of the motion picture business to cater to the needs of the
sight impaired is a noble cause, but is it being twisted for alterior
purposes behind the scenes by 33rd Degree Freemason George Bush as part of a
conditioning process to prepare the public for the coming New World Order?


Since Freemasonry consists of two factions known as the Law of One and the
Sons of Belial, the struggle for the outcome of the future is constantly
being fought between them. James Cameron has been proven to be a member of
the Law of One by his actions in the James Cameron Conspiracy Theory and that
his early career was nearly taken over by the Sons of Belial who tried to
corrupt Cameron. While Cameron was writing the script for the film "Strange
Days", his research led him to the truth of his manipulation by the Sons of
Belial and his turning towards the Law of One.


The actions of George Bush proved which side he was on. He helped destroy and
change records regarding MK-ULTRA mind control technology back in the 1970's
as Director of the CIA. Bush is alleged to have been involved in the
smuggling of drugs from Central America to the U.S. in conjunction with the
Iran/Contra scandal from the 1980's and was the person who publicly uttered
the words "New World Order" in front of the entire world. It's obvious he is
a member of the Sons of Belial faction.


Another point that was made in the James Cameron Conspiracy Theory was the
use of MK-ULTRA in the motion picture field being used for the purposes of
conditioning the human race for the arrival of extra-terrestrials. Have you
ever wondered why the UFO craze began in the 1950's, a time that was only
three years after the crash of the spacecraft in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947,
a time when Joseph McCarthy was witch hunting suspected communists and early
MK-ULTRA research was being performed on unwitting human subjects by the CIA
in Canada? For the ultimate purpose of conditioning the human race to be
subjugated by a large event beyond their control, an extra-terrestrial
invasion that will bring the world into the New World Order as envisioned by
the Sons of Belial faction of Freemasonry.


In March of 1997, a large extra-terrestrial spacecraft appeared over Phoenix,
Arizona, more commonly known as the "Phoenix Lights". James Cameron was
inducted as a 32nd Degree Freemason at the main Freemasonic Lodge in Phoenix
and at this time learned of a "coming event" that will have serious
reprecussions for the city of Phoenix and for the world. The lights were
dismissed in the media by the Sons of Belial as "military flares". It's a
common tactic to cover up extra-terrestrial visitations as "military
experiments" and has been used since the Roswell crash in 1947.


This "coming event" was revealed to the Freemasons in Phoenix, Arizona as the
arrivial of extra-terrestrials who will betray the trust of humanity, destroy
the city of Phoenix and cause massive environmental changes all over the
Earth. James Cameron, as a 32nd Degree Freemason, wasn't supposed to know
this information, which explains why he was inducted as a 33rd Degree
Freemason at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles with an informal ceremony.
Cameron's induction took place in a small room inside the Shrine while
celebrities and movie stars were filing inside for the March 23rd, 1998
Academy Awards. Cameron would formally become a 33rd Degree Freemason at The
Supreme Council 33° Temple in Washington, D.C. on his birthday. Cameron had
hinted at what he knew when he accepted the best picture Oscar for "Titanic".
In his acceptance speech, he said the "future is unknowable, the unthinkable
can happen and that life is precious".


In regards to the arrival of extra-terrestrials and the destruction of
Phoenix, Arizona, the SETI(Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence)
Institute detected a signal in the direction of the star called EQ Pegasi in
the Pegasus Constellation in September of 1998.


The SETI institute dismissed the signal and no attention was paid to it until
an amateur radio astronomer named Paul Dore in England picked up the same
signal. A series of strange events ranging from a called off press
conference, a SETI denial and then support of the theory of the signal,
intimidation of Mr. Dore by the NSA and disinformation put out in the press
has been decoded with Freemasonic symbolism by Richard C. Hoagland of the
Enterprise Mission. This became known as the EQ Pegasus Saga.


According to Hoaglands decoding of this symbology, the name Pegasus is
symbolic of "death" and is represented by a "horse with wings". Hoagland
pointed out that many symbols dealing with Pegasus are used in corporate
entities have relation to this behind the scenes symbology including Mobil
Oil.


In the James Cameron Conspiracy theory it stated that the name for the movie
"Terminator 2: Judgment Day" was symbolic of "destruction that is coming that
is beyond control". The film was distributed in the U.S. by Tri-Star
Pictures. Guess what their logo is? A white horse with wings. In symbolic
terms: "Pegasus" or death.


According to Hoagland's findings, an event will take place on December 7th,
1998 outside of Phoenix, Arizona. The exact location will be exactly in the
center of the state of Arizona, 30 miles west of Peson, Arizona on Turret
Mountain which is due east of state route 17.


According to Hoagland, these extra-terrestrials could very well be the same
aliens who built the complex at Cydonia on Mars and the Face on Mars and will
be visiting an ancient "Phoenix" that existed 300,000 years ago underneath
the present city of Phoenix. According to the third page of the James Cameron
Conspiracy Theory, these extra-terrestrials were survivors of an exploded
planet that existed between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. The planet was
known as "FENEX" the ancient name for Phoenix. These aliens founded the
ancient civilization known as "MU" in the American Southwest.


>From the decoding of Freemasonic symbolism in NASA and the U.S. Government,
Hoagland says this event will be the possible landing of extra-terrestrials
who won't be friendly and their arrival could turn out to be an "INDEPENDENCE
DAY" scenario for Phoenix, Arizona and will wake up the entire world to the
existence of extra-terrestrial life and will play into the hands of the Sons
of Belial Faction of Freemasonry who are working to bring in a New World
Order that will subjugate humanity.


People have been prepared for this over the course of several years by what's
known as the "MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL/HOLLYWOOD" complex. The existence of the
Military/Industrial/Hollywood complex has been proven by the use of
Freemasonic symbolism interconnecting the three of them.


Here's an example;


Two current films, "Apt Pupil" and "Urban Legend" are being co-produced by
two film companies, Tri-Star(Pegasus) Pictures and Phoenix Pictures. Both
Tri-Star(Pegasus) and Phoenix Pictures are susidiaries of Sony/Columbia
Pictures. You can see the obvious connection between Pegasus and Phoenix as
pointed out eariler. Major chains of movie theatres use the Sony Dynamic
Digital Sound (SDDS) system for their movies.


The symbol in the logo of SDDS is a tetrahedral pyramid. Tetrahederal shapes
are common place in the ruins on Mars in the Cydonia region and when a
tetrahedral pyramid is placed inside of a sphere with one point at a
pole(South in this case), the other three points are at 19.5 Degrees of
Laditude in the opposite hemisphere(North). The tetrahedral shape has also
been found by Hoagland to be in symbols for agencies of the United States
government, ancient Egyptian Mythology and in Freemasonic Symbolism.


The Sony Dynamic Digital Sound system is used in the Loews Cineplex Chain of
theatres. The debut of the MK-ULTRA technology via the Theatre Vision
technology, witnessed by George Bush and James Cameron, both 33rd Degree
Masons, took place in the Loews Cineplex 9 Theatre in Houston, Texas. The
MK-ULTRA technology, an offshoot of the MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL segment of the
"Military/Industrial/Hollywood" complex was used in a theatre using the SDDS
system, an offshoot of the "HOLLYWOOD" segment of the "Military/Industrial/Hol
lywood" complex.


Even Hollywood itself is symbolic. The word "Hollywood" refers to wood from a
Holly tree that is used for magic wands in occult rituals. Is it really any
accident that the biggest and best special effects company in Hollywood is
called Industrial "Light & Magic"?


Therefore this interconnection of symbolism between the U.S. Government,
Industry and Entertainment conglomerates proves the existence of the
"MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL/HOLLYWOOD" complex in a tetrahedral structure with
Freemasonry as it's most secret point at the apex(top).


With all of this Tetrahedral geometry, which originated with aliens who built
the Face on Mars and the Cydonia complex, being present within intricate
connections in a Military/Industrial/Hollywood complex controlled by the
Freemasons, don't you find it a little conveinent that one of James Cameron's
upcoming projects will be a tv mini-series on the FOX network about the
planet Mars? As Richard Hoagland says "...coincidence after coincidence after
coincidence". When does something stop being a coincidence and become fused
into reality as a new paradigm?


In short, the Military/Industrial/Hollywood complex which allowed James
Cameron to build his career and got him initiated as a 33rd Degree Freemason,
will be used to either bring in the New World Order or a Pax Humana.
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« Reply #348 on: December 30, 2009, 06:35:39 PM »

So you start with a link to a newspaper article that sure enough refers to Cameron's movie "Titanic" and blind people. Did you just pull the rest of this out of your ass, or are there links to the rest of your story.

I'm repeating myself here, sorry for those who have read this thread from start to finish, but it is getting lengthy.

TITANIC was a huge choice for Cameron, because who was the real owner of the Titanic?  JP Morgan.  who decided not to go at the last minute.  And pocketed millions in insurance money in RECORD time.  What did he do with this money?  Used it to start up CFR, League of Nations (UN) and other shadow government operations alive and well today.  

yes, the Titanic was quite a moment in history, and Cameron was being a good boy to continue the fable.  

Oh, and what was the color of that diamond?  oh right...the Blue Diamond.  just a coincidence I'm sure.



Who Really Owned The Titanic?

The Titanic, registered as a British mail ship was really owned by the American railroad tycoon, J.P. Morgan. He had most of the controlling interest in the American railroads and was looking to expand his ownership to seize control of the Atlantic shipping trade. He succeeded in acquiring the White Star Line in 1902. White Star had asked the City of New York to enlarge and extend the piers to accommodate their new super liners and were flatly refused. The City stated that the long piers would extent too far into the Hudson river causing a hazard to navigation. They were subtly persuaded by Morgan who all but owned the docks of New York and had the means to choke the City's import and export trade.
J.P. Morgan had his very own private suite and promenade deck on the Titanic. He was supposed to join her for her maiden voyage but canceled passage sparing him the fate of many of the other millionaires.



TITANIC INSURANCE CLAIMS QUICKLY MET; Little Red Tape In Collecting Policies Now Estimated at $12,000,000.
 
April 28, 1912, Sunday
Page 5, 1550 words
Although the sinking of the Titanic involved the largest total loss the marine underwriters have ever had to meet from a single disaster, at the close of the week practically all of the policies written had been met. Proof of loss was obtainable as soon as the surviving officers reached New York, and since then collection has been merely a matter of routine.

JP Morgan founded the CFR   the CFR controls the media today:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message673430/pg1

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« Reply #349 on: December 30, 2009, 06:52:35 PM »

The quote was from an article i posted, linked and quoted from twice already on this thread.   http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html

http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html

"This document is delivered by C.S.M. (I assume to be the Christian Science Monitor) to bring the truth to reality and to forever change the course of human history.

Morning Star the Light Bearer"


"COPYRIGHT 1998 BY MORNING STAR THE LIGHT BEARER"!!!


This should jump right off the page to anyone paying attention.
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« Reply #350 on: December 30, 2009, 07:03:22 PM »

(shoulda been straight to DVD absurdity)

bro, not even to DVD, more like a "Sci-Fi Pictures Original" then straight to Laserdisc thereafter.
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« Reply #351 on: December 30, 2009, 07:10:31 PM »

http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html

"This document is delivered by C.S.M. (I assume to be the Christian Science Monitor) to bring the truth to reality and to forever change the course of human history.

Morning Star the Light Bearer"


"COPYRIGHT 1998 BY MORNING STAR THE LIGHT BEARER"!!!


This should jump right off the page to anyone paying attention.

if you think the info I posted is satanic in nature better not go there
hell who would want to go there?
you should cancel all inquiry into NWO/Avatar strategies herewith, and no hard feelings
PS
the "morning star light bearer" terminology has been a mixed up insanity for millenia
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« Reply #352 on: December 30, 2009, 07:13:01 PM »

if you think the info I posted is from satanic in nature better not go there
cancel all inquiry into NWO/Avatar strategies herewith, and no hard feelings
PS
the "morning star light bearer" terminology has been a mixed up insanity for millenia

Really? So you say. I invite the readers to seek, and find, and know where at least some of this info is sourced.
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« Reply #353 on: December 30, 2009, 07:14:47 PM »

so who is going to be the first person on this forum to change their forum avatar to an Avatar?

Xzibit says "Yo Dawg! I heard you like Avatars, so I put an Avatar in your Avatar, so you can post while you post!"  Grin
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« Reply #354 on: December 30, 2009, 07:21:02 PM »

so who is going to be the first person on this forum to change their forum avatar to an Avatar?

Xzibit says "Yo Dawg! I heard you like Avatars, so I put an Avatar in your Avatar, so you can post while you post!"  Grin

Hello?
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« Reply #355 on: December 30, 2009, 07:54:04 PM »

Really? So you say. I invite the readers to seek, and find, and know where at least some of this info is sourced.

Wonderful!  we are asking readers to do essentially the same thing.  I like it very much.

1) Investigate the source of all criticism/exposes/info about Avatar/Cameron
2) Investigate the possibility of NWO propaganda in the movie Avatar.

excellent assignment.  Been working on it quite a bit. will continue.  thanks
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« Reply #356 on: December 30, 2009, 08:43:30 PM »

Most entertaining thread ever!

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« Reply #357 on: December 30, 2009, 10:27:15 PM »

Okay....different strokes for different folks, I guess.  I saw absolutely zero "NWO subliminals" (actually, all I saw were free men and women waging war and triumphing over a NWO-type entity, the RDA) and I don't really have any clue what the remainder of your post has to do with the Patriot movement (other than Patriots would be opposed to genocide and land-grabs, which should make Patriots love Avatar.)

If you run a 'Cameron" fan blog, then you saw what you wanted to see in his movie.  I actually used to like some of his stuff, until I discovered his background.  Then I realized the message being delivered by him, and most of Hollywood's films.  And you shall know them by their fruits.
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« Reply #358 on: December 31, 2009, 02:58:54 AM »

I agree with this - you can sell any 'corporate product' with enough money behind it.

I'm wondering if it isn't a case of, "If it's worth RISKING that much of You The People's money, it's doubling it with a massive marketing push."  Worked for the hula hoop, or was that the kazoo?

Smiley

Anyway, I'm still on the side of THIS FILM SHOWS THE EVILS OF CORPORATE WAR FOR RESOURCES as have many of James Cameron's films (Terminator 1 and 2, Aliens, Abyss's nuke subplot...).  Happy 2010, and onward FREE PLANET.

PS: I don't believe mankind is the enemy of the planet, that's the corporations - FACT. I don't believe funny-coloured aliens (the back end of the Abyss story) will save planet earth, I think we have to reclaim it as our own ... all SIX BILLION OF US have to come to the understanding that governments are f**king with us on SO MANY LEVELS in the name of profitable control and there's really a war on right now against You The People. Man, it's not even funny any more. But this film ... it's a f**king film. Oh, and is there anyone here in marketing or advertising?

Kill yourself - that's how you save the planet. I sorta wish there HADn't been so much of a marketing push for AVATAR as it belittles Cameron's massive ability as a director (waits for Sane to laud Goebbels.....)

Smiley

Onward.

$200 million in marketing + over $250 million in cross marketing/co-marketing + coordinated opening week in over 173 countries with combined IMAX/Regular theater highest # of theaters in the history of cinema?

Howard the Duck would have been successful with this push.
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Mike Philbin
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« Reply #359 on: December 31, 2009, 03:07:26 AM »

I totally agree with this post - I'm as surprised that it hasn't CHAMPIONED AN AWAKENING of the planet to the evils of CORPORATE WAR FOR PROFIT, which is all the last century has been. CONGLOMERATION. RESTRUCTURING. CONSOLIDATION of the plan to rule the world from a central hub interface that You The People willingly subscribe to. The simple fact is, "They can't be tyrants if we don't let them."

It's that easy.

We need to stop thinking this is a safe and sane and stable world. It's not. It's in flux all the time. f**k society. f**k Royalty. f**k Commercial gain. f**k religious mind control. f**k dogma. f**k advertising. f**k communalism. f**k science and art and hisgtory. It's all supposed to keep you dumbed down and willing to comply.

Get out of your controlled mind set and embrace your fellow man (and woman) - they are your REAL allies against the corporate machine. We need to ALL SIX BILLION OF US unit behind such projects and tell the corporations to f**k Off!

Proper angry that this thread has side-lined itself to, "Cameron's a 33rd degree mason."  so what, if you're that convinced he is, you'll  smash the Masonic lodges and out these f**kers. Otherwise, It's all distractional in-fighting that minimises a moevement's effectiveness. Long live creativity. Long live passion. Long live kinship.

DEATH TO THE MACHINE, long live technology.

Focusing on the environmental stuff in Avatar but overlooking its pro-liberty, anti-imperial message is like having a beautiful woman and being upset that her toenails aren't painted: you're totally missing the forest for a tree.

I run a fan blog about James Cameron and I was expecting that the Patriot movement would go wild for this movie.  Well, they did go wild....but in the wrong way.  This is a movie about private individuals standing up to a mighty, tyrannical power and defending their property.  This should be celebrated the same way Patriots celebrate 1984, V for Vendetta, and Red Dawn.

If Patriots can no longer even find inspiration in a simple David vs. Goliath movie....our morale is in serious, serious trouble.


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