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« on: December 15, 2009, 08:28:06 PM »

Since this article was first posted, the American Psychiatric Association has announced that the publication of DSM-V will be delayed until May 2013. "Extending the timeline will allow more time for public review, field trials and revisions," says APA president Alan Schatzberg.

When doctors disagree with each other, they usually couch their criticisms in careful, measured language. In the past few months, however, open conflict has broken out among the upper echelons of US psychiatry. The focus of discord is a volume called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, which psychiatrists turn to when diagnosing the distressed individuals who turn up at their offices seeking help. Regularly referred to as the profession's bible, the DSM is in the midst of a major rewrite, and feelings are running high.

Two eminent retired psychiatrists are warning that the revision process is fatally flawed. They say the new manual, to be known as DSM-V, will extend definitions of mental illnesses so broadly that tens of millions of people will be given unnecessary and risky drugs. Leaders of the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which publishes the manual, have shot back, accusing the pair of being motivated by their own financial interests - a charge they deny. The row is set to come to a head next month when the proposed changes will be published online. For a profession that exists to soothe human troubles, it's incendiary stuff.

Psychiatry suffers in comparison with other areas of medicine, as diseases of the mind are on the whole less well understood than those of the body. We have, as yet, only glimpses into the fundamental causes of the common mental illnesses, and there are no biological tests to diagnose them. This means conditions such as depression, schizophrenia and personality disorders remain difficult to diagnose with precision. Doctors can only question people about their state of mind and observe their behaviour, classifying illness according to the most obvious symptoms.

We have only glimpses into the causes of mental illnesses and there are no biological tests for them
First published in 1952, the DSM has its origins in a book used by the US military to determine if recruits were mentally fit for combat. The difficulty of separating mental disorders from normal variation in behaviour made it controversial from the start. Over the years, the book's influence has grown, and today it is used by doctors across the globe.

The wording used in the DSM has a significance that goes far beyond questions of semantics. The diagnoses it enshrines affect what treatments people receive, and whether health insurers will fund them. They can also exacerbate social stigmas and may even be used to deem an individual such a grave danger to society that they are locked up.

Some of the most acrimonious arguments stem from worries about the pharmaceutical industry's influence over psychiatry. This has led to the spotlight being turned on the financial ties of those in charge of revising the manual, and has made any diagnostic changes that could expand the use of drugs especially controversial. "I think the DSM represents a lightning rod for all kinds of groups," says David Kupfer of the University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, who heads the task force appointed by the APA to produce the revised manual.

Few would claim that the DSM's current version is perfect. With each revision, the number of conditions it defines has swelled, many surrounded by bewildering lists of symptoms that must be checked to assign a diagnosis. Using current DSM checklists, for example, 114 different combinations of symptoms can lead to a diagnosis of schizophrenia. At the same time, many patients prove hard to fit into the framework.

One aim of the work groups compiling DSM-V is to cut through this chaos. They are streamlining diagnoses by removing various subtypes of schizophrenia, for example, and intend to address the confusion created by the fact that many people with one condition meet criteria for other disorders as well. The DSM-V task force is expected to propose a series of "dimensions" to be considered with a patient's main diagnosis. So as well as deciding whether someone has, say, bipolar disorder, doctors would determine whether they are suffering from problems such as anxiety and sleeping disturbances, and assess them on a simple scale of severity.

Grandiose claims
This is widely seen as a first step towards a future in which psychiatric diagnosis has a more scientific base, where sprawling checklists of symptoms are replaced by sliding-scale measurements of the underlying determinants of mental health. Yet critics worry that even a limited embrace of this "dimensional" approach is running ahead of the science. Until we understand more about the biological basis of psychiatric disease, this approach will not be helpful, they say.

Some of the harshest criticisms have come from those who led previous revisions of the DSM, in 1980 and 1994. In July, Robert Spitzer and Allen Frances, both now retired, wrote a stinging letter to the APA, accusing it of planning unworkable changes and making grandiose claims. In a separate editorial in the magazine Psychiatric Times, Frances complained that most of the authors are university-based researchers who are cut off from typical doctors and patients.

Spitzer and Frances also criticise the fact that members of the various DSM-V work groups have had to sign confidentiality agreements. "The main problem is that we don't know what they're doing," says Spitzer. The APA says the confidentiality agreements are to stop the manual's authors writing their own diagnostic handbooks alongside the official manual. Kupfer points out that discussion does go on: work groups proposing major changes debate their ideas in papers and at meetings. "We've done everything we can to encourage it," he says.

Another focus for Spitzer and Frances's concern is the suggestion that DSM-V could include new categories to capture milder forms of illnesses such as schizophrenia, depression and dementia. "The result would be a wholesale... medicalization of normality that will lead to a deluge of unneeded medication," Frances said in his editorial.

For example, one work group is considering whether it is possible to catch people in the early stages of schizophrenia or other psychotic illnesses before they have their first full-blown psychotic episode (Schizophrenia Bulletin, vol 35, p 841). Some doctors prescribe antipsychotic drugs at this early stage in the hope of stopping the illness from progressing.

Libido loss
These medicines can have serious side effects, such as loss of libido, weight gain and distressing tremors and spasms, so no one would want to take them without good reason. Yet it's hard to separate distressed people who will go on to develop a psychotic disorder from the "false positives" - those who will recover or develop a different illness. The available evidence suggests that only about 30 per cent of people identified as being at risk of psychosis will go on to develop it within two years.

These medicines can have serious side effects so no one wants to take them without good reason
Nevertheless, William Carpenter, a psychiatrist at the University of Maryland in Baltimore who chairs the DSM-V work group on psychosis, believes the needs of the "true positives" are so great that adding a diagnostic category to cover "psychosis risk" would, on balance, be a good thing. Frances brands this proposed diagnosis as "the most worrisome suggestion entertained".

Given the controversy, psychosis risk may not make it into the DSM proper, and may instead appear in the appendix, as a condition needing more research. But even that designation might boost prescribing.

Frances and Spitzer are not the only ones with concerns, and there are other flashpoints (see "Hebephilia", "Transgendered" and "Bereavement"). In March, Jane Costello of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, resigned from the work group on disorders in childhood and adolescence, worried about what she saw as a lack of scientific rigour across the whole DSM revision. "I felt that there was not enough empirical work being achieved or planned," she says.

The disputes are getting ugly. Senior APA figures have even suggested that Spitzer and Frances are motivated by a desire to safeguard their flow of royalties from clinical guides linked to the current DSM. "The fact that Dr. Frances was informed... that subsequent editions of his DSM-IV associated products would cease when the new edition is finalized, should be considered when evaluating his critique," leading APA figures said in a response to Frances's editorial.

Spitzer and Frances reject this charge. "To suggest that I have no concern other than the royalties is a little absurd," says Spitzer. "My annual royalties from DSM-IV related books are $10,000 per year," notes Frances. "These have nothing to do with concerns I expressed."

Attention has also turned to the financial interests of those working on DSM-V. The APA has ruled that members of the task force and work groups may not receive more than $10,000 per year from industry while working on DSM-V, and must keep their stock holdings below $50,000. This doesn't satisfy Lisa Cosgrove of the University of Massachusetts, Boston, who studies financial conflicts in psychiatry (New Scientist, 29 April 2006, p 14). She notes that the APA's ruling places no limit on industry research grants, and has found that the proportion of DSM-V panel members who have industry links is exactly the same as it was for DSM-IV, at 56 per cent (The New England Journal of Medicine, vol 360, p 2035).

The final version of DSM-V is scheduled to be published in 2012, but given the level of controversy and the need to test whether psychiatrists can reliably use the proposed diagnoses, that date seems certain to slip.

For now, there is an uneasy ceasefire, but next month the work groups will post their proposed changes on the APA's website. Stand by for renewed hostilities.

Editorial: Psychiatry's bible: Its time has passed

Hebephilia
How young is too young?

You may have never heard of "hebephilia", but this obscure diagnosis has huge significance in the courts. If it becomes accepted it could lead to hundreds of sex offenders who have served their jail time being locked up indefinitely - on grounds that some say are spurious.

Hebephilia refers to when adults are sexually fixated on teenagers around the time of puberty. This sets it apart from paedophilia, which refers to a focus on pre-pubescent children. The DSM-V work group on sexual disorders is likely to call for paedophilia to be renamed paedohebephilia, and include a hebephilic subtype.

The justification is the research of one work group member, Ray Blanchard of the University of Toronto in Canada. Working with sex offenders, Blanchard used a device that records blood flow in the penis to measure their arousal while they were listening to sexual material. He concluded that some men have a disorder that causes them to fixate on girls aged 11 to 14 (Archives of Sexual Behavior, vol 38, p 335).

The proposed diagnosis has been condemned by critics as dangerously blurring the boundary between paedophilia and normal male attraction to teenage girls - which isn't necessarily acted upon. Karen Franklin, a forensic psychologist in El Cerrito, California, argues that the diagnosis makes a disease out of preferences that have been shaped through human evolution. "People didn't used to live so long and mating started earlier," she says.

The work group is also considering whether some men are specifically turned on by rape - a proposed condition termed paraphilic coercive disorder. Again, the evidence is based largely on measurements of penile blood flow in response to sexual images and stories, and the validity of the condition is hotly contested.

The rows over hebephilia and paraphilic coercive disorder aren't academic, because 20 US states have passed laws that allow sex offenders who have served their sentences to be detained indefinitely in a secure hospital if they are deemed "sexual predators" (New Scientist, 24 February 2007, p 6). This can only be done if the offenders have a psychiatric disorder that increases their risk of reoffending - which few do, according to DSM-IV.

Franklin says that if hebephilia and paraphilic coercive disorder make it into DSM-V, they will be seized upon to consign men to a lifetime of incarceration. This argument cuts little ice with Blanchard, however. "The clinical facts are what they are," he says.

Transgendered
We are who we say we are

Is history repeating itself? That's the question facing psychiatrists considering how gender identity should be defined in DSM-V. The APA has a legacy of uneasy relations with the lesbian, gay and transgender community, having included homosexuality in the DSM's list of psychiatric disorders until 1973. Some transgender activists want issues of gender identity kicked off the list of mental illnesses too.

These activists are up in arms over the membership of DSM-V's sexual and gender identity disorders work group, in particular the selection of Kenneth Zucker of the University of Toronto, Canada, as its chair. Zucker is reviled by some transgender activists for his work on therapy to reorient children who feel that they were born into the wrong sex. An online petition objecting to the work group's composition has more than 9500 signatures.

The group is nevertheless likely to recommend changes that could actually ease tensions. One of these is a change in the name of a diagnosis that as currently phrased is inherently offensive to transgender people. "'Gender identity disorder' falsely implies that the gender identities of gender variant people are in themselves disordered," says Kelley Winters, founder of GID Reform Advocates.

The work group has not yet revealed its proposed name, but "disorder" will be dropped. "We're sensitive to issues of language," says Zucker. One possibility is "gender dysphoria", which focuses on the inherent distress of people living in a body that doesn't match their identity.

That would not satisfy those transgender activists who want issues of gender identity removed from the DSM altogether. But others argue for the retention of a renamed condition to make it easier for those distressed by the mismatch between their identity and their bodies to seek assistance, and also to help those who need sex-change surgery to get it paid for. Even now, many transgender people face problems when insurers refuse to recognise the treatment as a legitimate medical expense.

Bereavement
When does grief become an illness?

Losing a loved one is the most devastating event that most people ever experience, yet the official diagnosis of depression specifically excludes people who have recently been bereaved. Now there may be a major shift.

Not only is bereavement a known trigger for depressive symptoms, but bereaved people respond just as well to antidepressant treatment as others with similar symptoms, says Jan Fawcett of the University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, who heads the DSM-V work group on mood disorders. He thinks it may be time to class people who are severely distressed due to a recent bereavement as depressed.

For most people time proves at least a partial healer. But about 10 per cent of bereaved people are still debilitated by their loss more than six months later - and they can remain locked into this loop of grief for many years. Acknowledging their plight, the proposals for DSM-V are expected to include a new diagnosis of "complicated grief" or "prolonged grief syndrome".

The impetus for this comes from a team led by Holly Prigerson of Harvard Medical School in Boston, who has shown the condition can be reliably diagnosed (PLoS Medicine, vol 6, p e1000121). Katherine Shear, now at Columbia University in New York, has also found that the condition responds well to a form of psychotherapy designed to help bereaved people begin resuming their lives (Journal of the American Medical Association, vol 293, p 2601).
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427381.300-psychiatrys-civil-war.html?full=true
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 06:17:50 AM »

Real health care reform would mean that psychiatrist would need to have their state licence to prescribe drugs removed because the latest drugs create serious physical problems such as diabetes, hormonal damage, cardiovascular disease and neurological brain damage. Psychiatrists use no biological testing, Psychiatric diagnoses is opinion however the drugs they prescribe make serious damaging changes to an individuals biological system. Psychiatrists are trained by the pharmaceutical industry to never inform you of the fact that the drugs will deplete the very vitamins and nutrients that you need to keep you sane.

 Old School Psychiatrist will never give you actual scientific testing to check if you have toxins or are low on nutrients etc..Since  the drugs were first approved for brain damage control of long term hospitalized patients in the 1950s the number of people who are said to be disabled due to mental problems has risen from one in five hundred who would have been allowed to have a full recovery to about two thirds of the US population who are expected to consume drugs for life.

How Vested Interests Created the Perfect Marketing/Lobbying Machine: Mental Health “Advocacy” Groups—Funded by Pharma

http://www.cchrint.org/2009/12/10/3472/
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 07:44:35 AM »

Since this article was first posted, the American Psychiatric Association has announced that the publication of DSM-V will be delayed until May 2013. "Extending the timeline will allow more time for public review, field trials and revisions," says APA president Alan Schatzberg.

When doctors disagree with each other, they usually couch their criticisms in careful, measured language. In the past few months, however, open conflict has broken out among the upper echelons of US psychiatry. The focus of discord is a volume called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, which psychiatrists turn to when diagnosing the distressed individuals who turn up at their offices seeking help. Regularly referred to as the profession's bible, the DSM is in the midst of a major rewrite, and feelings are running high.

Two eminent retired psychiatrists are warning that the revision process is fatally flawed. They say the new manual, to be known as DSM-V, will extend definitions of mental illnesses so broadly that tens of millions of people will be given unnecessary and risky drugs. Leaders of the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which publishes the manual, have shot back, accusing the pair of being motivated by their own financial interests - a charge they deny. The row is set to come to a head next month when the proposed changes will be published online. For a profession that exists to soothe human troubles, it's incendiary stuff...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427381.300-psychiatrys-civil-war.html
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 08:34:30 AM »

Alert to the Research Community—Be Prepared to Weigh in on DSM-V
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1493263?pageNumber=2
by Allen Frances, MD
Dr Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV Task Force and of the department of psychiatry at Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC. He is currently professor emeritus at Duke.

This commentary will suggest how the research community can be instrumental in improving DSM-V and helping it avoid unintended consequences. According to several converging, anonymous (but I think quite reliable) sources to which I have had access, the draft options for DSM-V will finally be posted between mid-January and mid-February 2010. There will then be just one additional month until mid-March for collecting comments. The good news is that the products of a previously closed process will finally be available for wide review and correction. The bad news is that there will be only a very brief period allotted for this absolutely crucial input from the field.

The research community has a central role and a great responsibility in taking advantage of this precious opportunity to carefully review and identify the problems in the DSM-V drafts and to suggest solutions.

Problems with the DSM-V process

The dangers of the “everything is on the table,”1 ambitious, innovative bias of DSM-V have been amplified by its secrecy and weak methods. There has been a remarkable lack of the free flow of ideas that is necessary to prevent any DSM process from becoming idiosyncratic and arbitrary. Many of the work groups have functioned mostly on their own without sufficient monitoring from the DSM-V Task Force, a large group of diverse advisors, or the field as a whole.

The original DSM-V timeline had the fatal flaws of scheduling field trials before the proposed changes could be vetted by the field and an impossible publication deadline of May 2012. Fortunately, my sources suggest that this plan has been shelved, and that a new timeline has field trials following the posting of options and a new DSM-V publication date of May 2013.

Unfortunately, there are still numerous process problems. There is a continued bewildering secrecy concerning timelines and methods. My sources indicate that a grant request for external funding for the DSM-V field trials has been rejected, and there is no indication that there is sufficient money, time, or expertise to conduct meaningful field trials that would measure the impact of changes on the rates of disorder. The few papers published to date by the DSM-V leadership1-3 (and the wordings of the few work group criteria sets that have surfaced at meetings or informally) display a lack of the one skill that is absolutely essential in crafting an acceptable diagnostic manual—the ability to write clearly and consistently.

It will be no surprise if the draft criteria sets that appear early next year are written poorly and include many worrisome suggestions. This should not be at all blamed on the DSM-V work group members. It is my experience (repeated 3 times with DSM-III, DSM-IV-TR, and DSM-IV) that early work group drafts are always, and probably inherently, riddled with serious problems.

Work group members are selected because of their special contribution to research in their own narrow area of expertise. They tend to overvalue their own section and make decisions based on highly selected research and clinical experiences. Thus, work groups routinely have an overconcern about false negatives; an underconcern about false positives; and insufficient concern about how suggestions will eventually play out in the general psychiatric and primary care settings, where most people receive their diagnosis. Add to this that work group members lack experience in the difficult art of criteria writing, and it is guaranteed that their first products will usually need many months of extensive internal and external review and detailed editing before being ready for field testing.

The iterative polishing and disciplining of work group product must come from an integrated effort that includes contributions from the DSM-V leadership and editorial staff; the task force as a whole; a large and diverse group of advisors; the oversight committee; and, finally and most important, the field at large. The value of the first DSM-V drafts will be only that they serve as a starting point for public comment and the painstaking revision process.

What harm can DSM-V do?
Elsewhere, I have outlined the 3 harmful unintended consequences that emerged unexpectedly from DSM-I ; namely, a contribution to the false epidemics of autism and attention deficit disorder, and a forensic disaster that has led to the inappropriate psychiatric commitment of sexually violent offenders.4-6 These unpleasant surprises occurred despite the fact that DSM-IV was stubbornly unambitious, discouraged all changes, required extensive empirical documentation, and was widely reviewed by the field at large and by numerous advisors. The risks of unintended consequences from an ambitious, secretive, and poorly organized DSM-V are numerous and significant. My focus here will be only on the ways in which DSM-V may be costly and risky to the research enterprise.

The criteria sets for the most widely studied disorders have been quite stable since the publication of DSM-III in 1980, and indeed since the publication of the Research Diagnostic Criteria in 1978. These DSM criteria sets served as the foundation of the structured and semi-structured interview instruments widely used in all clinical and epidemiologic research. Whenever DSM-V makes a change in a criteria set, this will necessitate that changes be made in the instruments used to assess that diagnosis. Aside from the considerable cost and inconvenience occasioned by such changes, they have the potential to break the highly desirable continuity between the past and ongoing research and all future research findings. The new diagnostic criteria will have untested psychometric performance characteristics and may result in a very different definition of “caseness.” This would make it extremely difficult to interpret differences in findings across time, because the studies will have been done with the different criteria. For example, this apples and oranges problem will greatly complicate the already difficult interpretation of the often radically different rates of mental disorder determined by different epidemiological studies.7-10

A prime example of how far the ambitions of the DSM-V Task Force has exceeded its grasp is its goal to develop and market a set of new interviewing instruments to be used in conjunction with DSM-V.3 While the commercial motivation is understandable, the disruption of methods continuity would be unfortunate, and the costs of switching to a new system of instruments would be prohibitive and wasteful. Moreover, nothing in the work to date by the DSM-V Task Force inspires confidence in its ability to produce and test useful new interviewing instruments, and it would seem to have its hands more than full producing DSM-V itself without needing other distractions.

As I have argued elsewhere, there are serious risks of including a number of prodromal and subthreshold conditions as official diagnostic categories in DSM-V.11-13 The most appealing subthreshold conditions (minor depression, mixed anxiety depression, minor cognitive disorder, and prepsychotic disorder) are all characterized by nonspecific symptoms that are present at extremely high frequencies in the general population.

These proposed “disorders” might well become among the most common diagnoses in the general population—particularly once they are helped along by drug company marketing—resulting in excessive use of medications that often have serious long-term complications associated with weight gain.

Early case finding is a wonderful goal, but it requires a happy combination of a specific diagnostic test and a safe intervention. Instead, we would now have the peculiarly unhappy combination of a wildly false positive set of criteria with potentially dangerous interventions.

Prospective epidemiological research suggests that DSM-IV is already quite overinclusive.14
Further widening the net would go even further
in both medicalizing normality and trivializing psychiatric diagnosis
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Altogether, in my view, the costs and risks of the subthreshold diagnoses far outweigh any possible current gains.
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Pharma is involved in this new version of the DSM; they want to be sure that more people get more drugs to generate higher revenues. The timing (in association with the health care bill) is critical; as insurance plans further deteriorate compensation for mental health benefits, it becomes more important for Pharma to expand diagnoses and thereby justify more treatment for more people. DSM-V is the 'health care bill version' of the insurance billing manual for Psychiatrists. It seems to have little to do with really understanding, diagnosing and treating mental disorders. In DSM-V, we are all mentally ill.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 08:47:00 AM »

From Mike Rivero -  using the DSM to add a few of his own diagnoses ---
Note that he refers to the previous version - the DSM-IV; but as we see - although the administration has changed, his article is still relevant - and further demonstrates the bullshit of the left/right paradigm. Nothing has changed.


The Bush-Rumsfeld Diagnostic Manual
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/DSM-V.htm?q=DSM-V.htm
 
Thanks to the Bush-Rumsfeld team the American Psychiatric Association can breathe a sigh of relief.  As you may know, their bulky Diagnostic and Statistical Manual or DSM, has hundreds of diagnoses ranging from V62.3 Academic Problem to 302.82 Voyeurism.  It’s a veritable cornucopia of mental illness with something in there for almost everyone.  And quite frankly that’s just the problem.  The latest edition, referred to as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition, Text Revision, has apparently given the impression that some folks don’t fall into at least one of the hundreds of possible diagnoses.   So, and this is what makes mental health professions so noble, a new manual has to be produced at the risk it will be sold through local bookstores at $49.95.

Mental health professionals and most insurance providers regard this current manual as the final word in diagnosis.  It is intended to help match symptoms with the appropriate diagnosis in a format that anyone can understand provided he or she has advanced degrees in Quantum Physics.

So with much gratitude to Bush and his boys, this bulky book can be simplified.  You can trash the DSM-IV-TR and utilize a far less complicated diagnostic manual.  For your mental wellness I offer the brief unabridged NSM-V (Non-Neocon Symptom Manual) according to George Bush and his merry neocon lackeys.  Feel free to send me $49.95.


Anti-Imperialism Personality Disorder

A characterological refusal to accept the neocon argument that its values must be imposed on the world, by force if necessary, and a chronic resistance to sacrificing the Bill of Rights, and other ideas of individual liberty as indicated by four of the following:

(1)    A belief in the validity of the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence.

(2)    An expressed admission that the Patriot Act is anything but Patriotic and actually a type of Marshall Law.

(3)    Unusual perceptual experiences that Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney, with no military experience themselves casually disregard the deaths of thousands by their actions.

(4)    Lack of gullibility in terms of believing that the President and his cohorts with strong ties to the oil industry have a divine destiny to make Iraq safe for Haliburton and perhaps even pseudo-democracy.

(5)    Persistent doubts that liberty can be imposed by gunpoint.


Israeli Delusional Disorder

A distinct period of elevated, expanded, or pernicious belief that Israel is using the neocon movement to assert its dominance over the Middle East and the United States by portraying itself as an innocent victim of history demonstrated by three of the following:

(1)    Escalating perception of Israel’s occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as a form of Apartheid that left unchecked would result in the complete subjugation of the Palestinian people to Israel’s colonial agenda.

(2)    Errant sense that Israel’s open admission that its Mossad fed the Bush boys misleading information regarding Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction resulting in the death of hundreds of American soldiers must be seen as a profound betrayal by this ally.

(3)    Consistent verbalization that Israel is not a democracy but a socialist and racist regime with the most powerful lobby in Washington actively carrying out a campaign to manipulate Bush and Company into destroying Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

(4)    Oh, let’s add Jordan to that list just in case they stop kissing up to the Bush boys.

(5)    Refusal to be labeled as anti-Semitic because one questions the oppressive actions of the Israeli government.

 

Intelligence Gathering Illusions

A complete failure to understand that to liberate Iraqi's from Saddam's tortures you have to torture some Iraqi's, that is, you just have to slap a few folks around until they're red, white, and blue and have at least two of the following:

(1) A mood disturbance of at least 2 weeks of dysthymic proportions in not accepting

the line that Iraqi prisoners of war, tortured at a prison by so-called liberators whose stated mission was to free these people from a brutal torturing dictator.

(2)  A complete unwillingness to believe that the lowly American soldiers who

actually carried out the tasks of torturing Iraqi’s were not acting on orders from on high but were just a rowdy group of undisciplined military boys and girls who got carried away in their horsing around as any camper would.

      (3)  And failure to believe that Rumsfeld had absolutely NOTHING to do with it but you can betcha he’s very sorry he got caug…, I mean, that it happened.

      (4)  If rationale thinking people object you simply point out that if Saddam tortured Iraqi's, then we can too.  And we can do it better!


Doublespeak Disorder
 
Inability to accept the neocon redefinition of freedom, rights, democracy, limited government, etc., as characterized by two of the following:

(1)    Failure to understand that it is not what Bush does but what he says that is important, namely:

a.       Decrease federal spending through record military spending,

b.      Refer to the stripping of individual liberties as the “Patriot Act,”

c.       Limit government by expanding its size and the control of its citizens,

(2)    Complete lack of sensitivity to the fact that to control the United States the conservative and religious right has to be fed a line that convinces them the President really, really, is a swell guy who:

a.       Goes to church, so who cares that he knows what books you check out at the library and can monitor your internet traffic,

b.      Or that he occasionally fibs,

c.       Or uses the prolifers and progunners in spite of the fact that hundreds of children have died in Iraq from this war.

(3)    Denial of the policy that to win the War on Terror the Patriot Act needs to be further enhanced so Americans who left alone to our own devices may actually attempt to smuggle a nail clipper onto a commercial airliner.


Anti-Amnesia Disorder
Complete failure to forget the many lies President Bush made leading up to the War in Iraq with failure to forget at least four of the following:

(1)   Though we haven't found any weapons of mass destruction we must believe

they're somewhere buried in the sand.  Or maybe we should bomb the hell out of Syria because we’re certain they have them.  No wait, Iran has them, let's bomb them!  Golly, let's just bomb all those Axis of Evil folks.

      (2) Cheney’s words on March 16, 2003, "We believe [Saddam] has, in

fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons," was not meant to mean we really thought he had nuclear weapons, just reconstituted ones, if we ever find them.

      (3) Powell’s assertion to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003, "Our

            conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500

tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets," was only an allegory of Saddam's ruthless intent and never meant the Bush boys really thought he had enough chemical weapons for 16,000 rockets, just 15,999 missiles.

      (4)  The War in Iraq is a battle to bring Democracy to Iraq and the Middle East.”  Therefore we will substitute those pesky democratic ideals in the United States for a reconstituted democracy.

      (5)  The War in Iraq is helping the United States win the War on Terror, Turkey, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, and Spain notwithstanding.

      (6)  The US has complied with the terms of the Geneva Convention in its treatment of Iraqi prisoners.  If you will only unscramble the letters in those Geneva documents you’ll find such sentences as:  "Playing Naked Pyramid with the prisoners is a grand way for bored soldiers to pass the time. Oh what the hell, go ahead and force those jailbirds to masturbate.  Take pictures for your buddies back home."

      (7) When we fought the British during the revolution we were Patriots; when Iraqi's with less liberties than we had under British rule, choose to fight for their freedom we refer to them as terrorists and thugs.

      (8)  The War in Iraq will not be a financial burden to the American people.

I suggest you carefully examine these symptoms to see if you are afflicted.  If so, apply for an officially reformed Medicare discount card.  Then you can spend more money on medicines compared to the same medicines that Bush declares illegal for you to purchase out of Canada for a fraction of the price.  Furthermore, for therapy you must watch Fox News 24 hours a day (Motto: We give you the Pro-Bush bull, We decide for you) until you have recovered from your affliction sufficiently from your affliction.

And that $49.95?  Checks are acceptable.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 11:55:41 AM »

I would love an updated version of that
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 09:37:39 PM »

Psychiatry is the most destructive profession that exists, destroying more lives than any other.

Timothy Leary thought it was just damage neutral--he said 1/3 of his patients got better, 1/3 got worse, and 1/3 stayed the same.  But the drugging is killing not only the patients, but their friends, loved ones and innocent bystanders, from Columbine to the school in Germany, serotonin reuptake inhibitors are causing terrible attrocities across the world.

If you need counseling, seek help from friends first, or a psychologist at most (but not one who works with a psychiatrist), but stay a long way away from psychiatrists.

Even scientology is far preferable to psychiatry--scientology just steals your money while providing counseling--psychiatry steals your whole being.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 07:35:12 AM »

Bigpharma must be pushing this, along with their masters.

Its a shame there is no truth pill available.
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Alert to the Research Community—Be Prepared to Weigh in on DSM-V
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1493263?pageNumber=2
by Allen Frances, MD
Dr Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV Task Force and of the department of psychiatry at Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC. He is currently professor emeritus at Duke.

This commentary will suggest how the research community can be instrumental in improving DSM-V and helping it avoid unintended consequences. According to several converging, anonymous (but I think quite reliable) sources to which I have had access, the draft options for DSM-V will finally be posted between mid-January and mid-February 2010. There will then be just one additional month until mid-March for collecting comments. The good news is that the products of a previously closed process will finally be available for wide review and correction. The bad news is that there will be only a very brief period allotted for this absolutely crucial input from the field.

The research community has a central role and a great responsibility in taking advantage of this precious opportunity to carefully review and identify the problems in the DSM-V drafts and to suggest solutions.

Problems with the DSM-V process

The dangers of the “everything is on the table,”1 ambitious, innovative bias of DSM-V have been amplified by its secrecy and weak methods. There has been a remarkable lack of the free flow of ideas that is necessary to prevent any DSM process from becoming idiosyncratic and arbitrary. Many of the work groups have functioned mostly on their own without sufficient monitoring from the DSM-V Task Force, a large group of diverse advisors, or the field as a whole.

The original DSM-V timeline had the fatal flaws of scheduling field trials before the proposed changes could be vetted by the field and an impossible publication deadline of May 2012. Fortunately, my sources suggest that this plan has been shelved, and that a new timeline has field trials following the posting of options and a new DSM-V publication date of May 2013.

Unfortunately, there are still numerous process problems. There is a continued bewildering secrecy concerning timelines and methods. My sources indicate that a grant request for external funding for the DSM-V field trials has been rejected, and there is no indication that there is sufficient money, time, or expertise to conduct meaningful field trials that would measure the impact of changes on the rates of disorder. The few papers published to date by the DSM-V leadership1-3 (and the wordings of the few work group criteria sets that have surfaced at meetings or informally) display a lack of the one skill that is absolutely essential in crafting an acceptable diagnostic manual—the ability to write clearly and consistently.

It will be no surprise if the draft criteria sets that appear early next year are written poorly and include many worrisome suggestions. This should not be at all blamed on the DSM-V work group members. It is my experience (repeated 3 times with DSM-III, DSM-IV-TR, and DSM-IV) that early work group drafts are always, and probably inherently, riddled with serious problems.

Work group members are selected because of their special contribution to research in their own narrow area of expertise. They tend to overvalue their own section and make decisions based on highly selected research and clinical experiences. Thus, work groups routinely have an overconcern about false negatives; an underconcern about false positives; and insufficient concern about how suggestions will eventually play out in the general psychiatric and primary care settings, where most people receive their diagnosis. Add to this that work group members lack experience in the difficult art of criteria writing, and it is guaranteed that their first products will usually need many months of extensive internal and external review and detailed editing before being ready for field testing.

The iterative polishing and disciplining of work group product must come from an integrated effort that includes contributions from the DSM-V leadership and editorial staff; the task force as a whole; a large and diverse group of advisors; the oversight committee; and, finally and most important, the field at large. The value of the first DSM-V drafts will be only that they serve as a starting point for public comment and the painstaking revision process.

What harm can DSM-V do?
Elsewhere, I have outlined the 3 harmful unintended consequences that emerged unexpectedly from DSM-I ; namely, a contribution to the false epidemics of autism and attention deficit disorder, and a forensic disaster that has led to the inappropriate psychiatric commitment of sexually violent offenders.4-6 These unpleasant surprises occurred despite the fact that DSM-IV was stubbornly unambitious, discouraged all changes, required extensive empirical documentation, and was widely reviewed by the field at large and by numerous advisors. The risks of unintended consequences from an ambitious, secretive, and poorly organized DSM-V are numerous and significant. My focus here will be only on the ways in which DSM-V may be costly and risky to the research enterprise.

The criteria sets for the most widely studied disorders have been quite stable since the publication of DSM-III in 1980, and indeed since the publication of the Research Diagnostic Criteria in 1978. These DSM criteria sets served as the foundation of the structured and semi-structured interview instruments widely used in all clinical and epidemiologic research. Whenever DSM-V makes a change in a criteria set, this will necessitate that changes be made in the instruments used to assess that diagnosis. Aside from the considerable cost and inconvenience occasioned by such changes, they have the potential to break the highly desirable continuity between the past and ongoing research and all future research findings. The new diagnostic criteria will have untested psychometric performance characteristics and may result in a very different definition of “caseness.” This would make it extremely difficult to interpret differences in findings across time, because the studies will have been done with the different criteria. For example, this apples and oranges problem will greatly complicate the already difficult interpretation of the often radically different rates of mental disorder determined by different epidemiological studies.7-10

A prime example of how far the ambitions of the DSM-V Task Force has exceeded its grasp is its goal to develop and market a set of new interviewing instruments to be used in conjunction with DSM-V.3 While the commercial motivation is understandable, the disruption of methods continuity would be unfortunate, and the costs of switching to a new system of instruments would be prohibitive and wasteful. Moreover, nothing in the work to date by the DSM-V Task Force inspires confidence in its ability to produce and test useful new interviewing instruments, and it would seem to have its hands more than full producing DSM-V itself without needing other distractions.

As I have argued elsewhere, there are serious risks of including a number of prodromal and subthreshold conditions as official diagnostic categories in DSM-V.11-13 The most appealing subthreshold conditions (minor depression, mixed anxiety depression, minor cognitive disorder, and prepsychotic disorder) are all characterized by nonspecific symptoms that are present at extremely high frequencies in the general population.

These proposed “disorders” might well become among the most common diagnoses in the general population—particularly once they are helped along by drug company marketing—resulting in excessive use of medications that often have serious long-term complications associated with weight gain.

Early case finding is a wonderful goal, but it requires a happy combination of a specific diagnostic test and a safe intervention. Instead, we would now have the peculiarly unhappy combination of a wildly false positive set of criteria with potentially dangerous interventions.

Prospective epidemiological research suggests that DSM-IV is already quite overinclusive.14
Further widening the net would go even further
in both medicalizing normality and trivializing psychiatric diagnosis
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Altogether, in my view, the costs and risks of the subthreshold diagnoses far outweigh any possible current gains.
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Pharma is involved in this new version of the DSM; they want to be sure that more people get more drugs to generate higher revenues. The timing (in association with the health care bill) is critical; as insurance plans further deteriorate compensation for mental health benefits, it becomes more important for Pharma to expand diagnoses and thereby justify more treatment for more people. DSM-V is the 'health care bill version' of the insurance billing manual for Psychiatrists. It seems to have little to do with really understanding, diagnosing and treating mental disorders. In DSM-V, we are all mentally ill.


What harm can DSM-V do?

This is going to be nothing less than an expanded chemical warfare situation where it will take two or three people to care for one casualty. It looks like the psychiatric-pharmaceutical community is pushing to get everyone who is on depression medication into drugs that are called major tranquilizers, neroliptics. Male Children are being drugged right now with the same kinds of drugs that were used on soviet dissidents for nothing more than what the phychiatrist claim to be (Oppositional Defiant Disorder ) number 313.81 in the nazi whesel doper billing bible. People who have family that participated in the American revolution are being attacked with this crap. The establishment also seems to pushing a phycophobia bigot training at the same time they have drugged the USA population at a rate of around 95% more than the rest of the world.

My suggestion for people who are being attacked in this way is that your conflict is over, gather up your stuff and try to limp out of here if you can because this is quickly becoming a combination of Nazi Germany and Communist Russia.  The Nazis began their killing by exterminating everyone that was thought to have a mental problem in Germany about 300000 people. The German psychiatrist called it a healing treatment.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 07:02:13 AM »

This is chemical warfare.
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 07:33:03 AM »

This is the report of a person who was on the drug Zyprexia for Three and a half years. Zyprexia was recently approved this year for use in young children with minor everyday problems who are now claimed to have phychiatric "disorders" due to one of the new DSM billing books that invented about three dozen new childhood disorders for expanded drugging and billing purposes.

If you or someone you know is taking this drug; Here is what happened to me while I was on it for 3 and 1/2 years.

1) Type 1 diabetes
2) high cholesterol and triglycerides
3) more severe blood pressure problems
4) Severely restricted communicative skills (e.g. I could comprehend everything, but Zyprexa is known to cause disturbances in the area of the brain which controls speech in humans). As a result I went from an extremely outgoing personality brimming with thought and interactions...to an almost invisible lump of, well...who knows what?! Not being able to coordinate speech and thought meant the whole process from listening, reasoning and speaking out with own opinions became a two or three minute process. Of course, by the time I was finally able to speak...the conversation had moved on. The longer I was on the drug; the more effort communication became; until I just sank into a pessimistic fog and I withdrew from my family and friends.
5) Five hospitalizations for pancreatitis in a 2-3 year period.
6) One of those hospitalizations was 23 days with 21 of them in ICU on a ventilator.
7) Deepening dependence on insulin for higher and higher doses being needed.
Cool One hospitalization for a week when my digestive tract shut down.
9) My appendix has been removed
10) My gall bladder has been removed

Before I started taking Zyprexa because of a court ordered hospitalization; I took medicine for high blood pressure and a diuretic. Nothing else. Nothing considered psychotropic.

Now I take 14 physical medications and 3 psychotropics.
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A human brain is not fully developed until the age of 25.

Among the most damaging scientific evidence against the use of antipsychotic drugs is empirical evidence that they cause brain damage.

The new generation antipsychotic drugs were all approved without proof of efficacy--they were approved to treat psychosis in adults merely on the speculative basis, "proof in principle."

Since their marketing approval, a mountain of evidence documents the measurable, severe hazards of these drugs--including debilitating chronic disease and cardiac arrest. The drugs induce obesity, type II diabetes, metabolic syndrome, hormonal and sexual malfunction, hyperglycemia, cardiovascular and liver abnormalities, and sudden death.

These toxic drugs have become the pharmaceutical industry's most profitable products, primarily due to deceptive marketing practices and collusion by psychiatry's academic leaders and professional institutions who are financially indebted to psychopharmacologic drug manufacturers.

Evidence demonstrates that the hazards of antipsychotics are even more damaging for children. Nevertheless, they are irresponsibly being prescribed for children who are not even psychotic. Indeed, as documented by a Vanderbilt University study, only one-third of the antipsychotic prescriptions for use in children were for bipolar or schizophrenia.
Instead, nearly 30% were prescribed to kids diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder--and nearly 15% were prescribed for children and adolescents with no psychiatric diagnosis at all.

Given the hazards and documented misuse of these toxic drugs, why is the FDA even considering lending the government seal of approval for these largely misused drugs for children.

 In this lecture on Nutrition and the brain one study found that about sixty percent of young school children had their problems relived by simply consuming a multiple vitamin that would have few if any negative side effects.

http://www.documentarywire.com/nutrition-behavior-by-dr-russell-blaylock
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 12:53:19 AM »

I enjoyed this film very much.

The correlation between poor nutrition(particularly hypoglycemia ), impaired brain functioning  and criminal behaviour was impressive.

Interesting that Dr Blaylock cited potatoes as a food that induces hypoglycemia.
When I think how often potatoes are a main staple in the British diet ,
I am surprised that  the crime rate is not higher.

I have never known a psychiatrist to order a vitamin profile or food allergy study done
before making a proper diagnosis,
and I have worked in the mental health profession for over 25 years.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2009, 08:09:27 AM »

I enjoyed this film very much.

The correlation between poor nutrition(particularly hypoglycemia ), impaired brain functioning  and criminal behaviour was impressive.

Interesting that Dr Blaylock cited potatoes as a food that induces hypoglycemia.
When I think how often potatoes are a main staple in the British diet ,
I am surprised that  the crime rate is not higher.

I have never known a psychiatrist to order a vitamin profile or food allergy study done
before making a proper diagnosis,
and I have worked in the mental health profession for over 25 years.
The psychiatrist have become a government empowered group that is currently being allowed to totally ignore science and biological testing. There is also new research on the effect Amino Acids on brain chemistry.


Most of the children being treated in the US are not mentally ill children. They are just healthy children under the attack of a brain damaging poisin drug lethal treatment, extermination.
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2009, 02:13:18 PM »

this is an area that gets way too little attention in our "community"
a truther will glibly say, yeah "911 was a psy op" and then go about what they do without inspecting the fact that they do not know what that means.
ok, the DSM... the S stands for statistical. THERE ISNT ONE STATISTIC IN THE WHOLE DAMN BOOK!
just arbitrary numbers assigned to conditions that look scientific but are just the numbers that are needed to put on the forms and get money from insurance companies.
CCHR http://cchr.org The Citizen's Commission On Human Rights put a video a year ago or so where people went in to different psych offices with a hidden camera and were  given a different diagnosis and different poisons by each psych after talking to the killer criminal for just a few minutes! Also in the video was one psych after another saying that they don't cure anyone, that it isn't even their intention to cure anyone!!!
Trace back eugenics and you find psychs
Trace back terrorism and you find psychs (i am a truther, there is such a thing as terrorism even if it is false flag terrorism)
Trace back the NWO and you find psychs (see quotes at http://trueconfessions.info re psychs and the NWO)
PLEASE continue this discussion and let's take this issue on to a higher level of discussion and prominence within our communities.
I recommend also Naomi Klein's work on "shock doctrine" which you can find on youtube

Btw, Jim Marrs is speaking at a CCHR fundraiser on 23 Jan if anyone is near Austin that day
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 06:48:04 AM »

this is an area that gets way too little attention in our "community"
a truther will glibly say, yeah "911 was a psy op" and then go about what they do without inspecting the fact that they do not know what that means.
ok, the DSM... the S stands for statistical. THERE ISNT ONE STATISTIC IN THE WHOLE DAMN BOOK!
just arbitrary numbers assigned to conditions that look scientific but are just the numbers that are needed to put on the forms and get money from insurance companies.
CCHR http://cchr.org The Citizen's Commission On Human Rights put a video a year ago or so where people went in to different psych offices with a hidden camera and were  given a different diagnosis and different poisons by each psych after talking to the killer criminal for just a few minutes! Also in the video was one psych after another saying that they don't cure anyone, that it isn't even their intention to cure anyone!!!
Trace back eugenics and you find psychs
Trace back terrorism and you find psychs (i am a truther, there is such a thing as terrorism even if it is false flag terrorism)
Trace back the NWO and you find psychs (see quotes at http://trueconfessions.info re psychs and the NWO)
PLEASE continue this discussion and let's take this issue on to a higher level of discussion and prominence within our communities.
I recommend also Naomi Klein's work on "shock doctrine" which you can find on youtube

Btw, Jim Marrs is speaking at a CCHR fundraiser on 23 Jan if anyone is near Austin that day
Why are we Drugged?

Your family left the old world for a reason, unfortunately that reason has now invented brain damaging treatments and followed you here to the new world.

Death care holocaust for profit

Americans are already drugged at a rate of about ninety five percent more than the rest of the world.  Walgreen's drug stores have been popping up on every corner of the city yet you still cant get a parking space.


Psychiatrist along with their trained establishment leadership group have accepted an open  position of phycophobic bigotry abuse and phychiatric drug abuse on the American population.

 The latest drugs are very damaging and they will create real biological physical disease in the population not just an invented  “disorder” as they deplete vitamins and nutrients while they destroy the brain and internal organs.

 Ron Paul is one of the best public examples of the high level of phycophobic bigotry and abuse now openly perpetrated  on an American individual with ideas that don't fall in line with the direction of the main group. In the last election  Paul was constantly demonized as a “crazy” up until the time he was out of the race. Then after Ron Paul was eliminated from the race, everyone Seemed to copy Ron Paul. It was then OK simply because the whole group was doing it.

The basis of human rights is freedom from false accusation and from brutality and punishment without offense.      
 

http://www.psychassault.org/ideology_hate1.html
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2010, 06:56:32 AM »

From my site:

The mental health profession becomes very useful to governments during times of repression. For example, those who express a belief that the authorities can’t be trusted can be classified as insane, and hounded into psychiatric institutions or discredited. Scholarly treatises describe this and other tactics in "The Professionalization of Psychology in Nazi Germany" (http://www.amazon.com/Professionalization-Psychology-Germany-Cambridge-Studies/dp/0521102138/) and "Dangerous Minds: Political Psychiatry in China Today and Its Origins in the Mao Era" (http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Minds-Political-Psychiatry-Origins/dp/1564322785/).  Here’s a video on the subject:  http://www.cchrint.org/videos/experts/ .  Often, psychologists will take an active role in state-sanctioned torture (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/02/cia-usa).
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I want to look at the sources cited and then give you my opinion.
 
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 06:23:04 AM »

Psychiatrists are pharmaceutical company trained hyper psycho phobic bigots or (HPPB) and (HPP) (hyper psycho phobic). These hyper psycho phobic bigots have been very busy teaching the American western civilized people how to become uncivilized hyper psycho phobics that have developed a very low tolerance for the normal differences in individuals and are in disrespect of their individual freedoms.

 Normal civilized child raising has now been discontinued due to the HPPB.  The HPPB stance has now become a human rights violation situation where millions of healthy children are not allowed time to make mistakes as their brains grow and develop. Those who are stricken with HPPB and HPP  no longer have the ability to allow for the normal difference between an adult and a child and seek to treat the child undeveloped brain with a dose of lethal drugs. A completely uncivilized act. Adult individuals are no longer allowed the normal process of emotion as the HPPB tends to place individuals  into groups for drugging purposes.

Hyper psychophobia has been put into action when people become motivated to drug other people and other peoples children with toxic substances when they are thought to not conform to the strict bug colony robotic grouping standards that the hyper psycho phobic bigot has set up.  The HPP tends to have a dismissed belief in individuality and the HPPB takes this to the extreme when young children are drugged before their brains ever get a chance to develop while the uncivilized HPPB (hyper psycho phobic bigot) enslaves the child into a  hell of toxic drugs that destroy health while the previously healthy child is also made to suffer the life long discrimination Human Rights violation abuse and neglect of the HPPB and HPP trained society.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 05:00:07 PM »

I gained over 120lbs from being on psych meds. My first diagnosis was Major Depression then bipolar (eventhough the therapist admitted that I didn't show signs of Mania) now they say I schitzoaffective.

 I have been on lots of different meds..been to the ER a number of times because the drugs had life indangering side effects and I have been publicly humiliated.

I am 30yrs old. I can't get a job or go to school because I am obese and can't stand on my feet and I can't read or talk very well... now live with my mother who is in her sixties.... have to go to group therapy 4hrs a day/ 5days a week and I am forced to take an injection and pills.

Every chance I get when I am not too foggy to speak or type I try to warn others about psychiatry.
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I gained over 120lbs from being on psych meds. My first diagnosis was Major Depression then bipolar (eventhough the therapist admitted that I didn't show signs of Mania) now they say I schitzoaffective.

 I have been on lots of different meds..been to the ER a number of times because the drugs had life indangering side effects and I have been publicly humiliated.

I am 30yrs old. I can't get a job or go to school because I am obese and can't stand on my feet and I can't read or talk very well... now live with my mother who is in her sixties.... have to go to group therapy 4hrs a day/ 5days a week and I am forced to take an injection and pills.

Every chance I get when I am not too foggy to speak or type I try to warn others about psychiatry.
I was on your path and please don't take ths wrong but dear you are not forced to do this to yourself.Sure, they will tell you you have to.I was told I would be on 3 different medications for the rest of my life.That was 15 years ago and I have been off of them for almost 5.Harder to kick than booze and that's the truth but the benefits are worth it.Wean yourself off of that poison and the weight WILL drop. I am back to HS size after 3 kids and a hysterectomy-it CAN be done.You have to WANT a better life and no, it isnt found in a shrinks office or in those pill bottles.The seroquel I bet they have you on will kill you before 40 alone.
Your mindset has to change first, understand you would be better off with a fith of Jack Daniels than your daily meds( tho I dont reccomend that either). While stopping the meds,research healthier ways to eat,start moving around,involve mom and the rest of the family. It will be hard no doubt but the tone of your post makes me afraid for you. PM me if you need any help or just to rant Wink
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2010, 08:13:29 AM »

I gained over 120lbs from being on psych meds. My first diagnosis was Major Depression then bipolar (eventhough the therapist admitted that I didn't show signs of Mania) now they say I schitzoaffective.

 I have been on lots of different meds..been to the ER a number of times because the drugs had life indangering side effects and I have been publicly humiliated.

I am 30yrs old. I can't get a job or go to school because I am obese and can't stand on my feet and I can't read or talk very well... now live with my mother who is in her sixties.... have to go to group therapy 4hrs a day/ 5days a week and I am forced to take an injection and pills.

Every chance I get when I am not too foggy to speak or type I try to warn others about psychiatry.
Each new diagnoses means that the previous diagnoses is a malpractice and especially when the new diagnoses may be created entirely by the effects of drugs that are prescribed on an opinion rather than biological testing. These 21st century American Psychiatric doctors are the most dangerous group ever aside from the Germany psychiatrist that began the holocaust by exterminating about 300000 of their patients and calling it a healing treatment.
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