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« on: December 11, 2009, 08:13:16 AM »

http://consumerist.com/2009/12/irs-tells-single-mom-shes-too-poor-must-be-lying.html

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IRS Tells Single Mom She's Too Poor, Must Be Lying
By Laura Northrup on December 6, 2009 1:00 PM

A single mom in Seattle thought she was playing by the rules. She earned under $19,000 per year as a hairdresser, supported her two children, and shared a home with her parents. Then the IRS audited her, claiming that she simply didn't earn enough money to be able to live in Seattle, and must be hiding something. Two years and $10,000 in accountant bills later, the IRS has determined that she isn't trying to run a scam, but can't figure out who her children are dependents of.

At the root of the IRS's issue is the family's inter-generational living arrangement. To a rational person, this is a good way to get by when you're experiencing hard times. To the IRS, this raises red flags as to who really supports the children

    In the end, the parents were cleared. The IRS also backed off trying to reclaim Rachel's earned income tax credit.

    But the agency insisted Rachel couldn't prove she was supporting her children — she didn't have enough receipts — so she had to stop claiming them as dependents. A few weeks ago she paid back $1,438 (plus penalties and interest!) on that issue.

    ...

    Legally, Rachel's kids now are in tax limbo. I met them at the Porcaros' house and they seemed real enough, jostling and pleading to play video games. But as far as the IRS is concerned, they don't exist. Neither Rachel nor her parents can claim them as dependents.

    "I tell you, we don't buy a roll of toilet paper anymore without keeping the receipt," Rob said.

Nicely done, IRS, for taking something rather straightforward--making sure a low-income person receiving the Earned Income Credit is entitled to it--and turning it into a bureaucratic nightmare for a whole extended family.
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Danny Westneat
$10 an hour with 2 kids? IRS pounces

Rachel Porcaro knows she's hardly rich. When you're a single mom making 10 bucks an hour, you don't need government experts to tell you how broke you are.

But that's what happened. The government not only told Porcaro she was poor. They said she was too poor to make it in Seattle.

It all started a year ago, when Porcaro, a 32-year-old mom with two boys, was summoned to the Seattle office of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). She had been flagged for an audit.

She couldn't believe it. She made $18,992 the previous year cutting hair at Supercuts. A few hundred of that she spent to have her taxes prepared by H&R Block.

"I asked the IRS lady straight upfront — 'I don't have anything, why are you auditing me?' " Porcaro recalled. "I said, 'Why me, when I don't own a home, a business, a car?' "

The answer stunned both Porcaro and the private tax specialist her dad had gotten to help her.

"They showed us a spreadsheet of incomes in the Seattle area," says Dante Driver, an accountant at Seattle's G.A. Michael and Co. "The auditor said, 'You made eighteen thousand, and our data show a family of three needs at least thirty-six thousand to get by in Seattle."

"They thought she must have unreported income. That she was hiding something. Basically they were auditing her for not making enough money."

Seriously? An estimated 60,000 people in Seattle live below the poverty line — meaning they make $11,000 or less for an individual or $22,000 for a family of four. Does the IRS red-flag them for scrutiny, simply because they're poor?

I asked the local office of the IRS. They said they couldn't comment for privacy reasons.

"We can't give you any kind of broad interview because your request is associated with the case of an individual taxpayer," IRS Media Relations said in a statement.

So I'll just tell you Rachel's story.

She had a yearlong odyssey into the maw of the IRS. After being told she couldn't survive in Seattle on so little, she was notified her returns for both 2006 and 2007 had been found "deficient." She owed the government more than $16,000 — almost an entire year's pay.

She couldn't pay it. Her dad, Rob, has run a local painting business, Porcaro Power Painting, for 30 years. He asked his accountant, Driver, for help.

Rachel's returns weren't all that complicated. At issue, though, was that she and her two sons, ages 10 and 8, were all living at her parents' house in Rainier Beach (she pays $400 a month rent). So the IRS concluded she wasn't providing for her children and therefore couldn't claim them as dependents.

She stood to lose what is called earned income tax credit, a refund targeted to help low-income workers. You qualify only if you're working, as Rachel has been.

Driver quickly determined the IRS was wrong in how it was interpreting the tax laws. He sent in the necessary code citations and hoped that would be the end of it.

Instead, the IRS responded by launching an audit of Rachel's parents.

"I was floored," says Rob Porcaro, 59. "I get audited now and then in my business, so I've been through it before. But to have them go after me because of my daughter, well, I've never heard of anything like it."

Rob and his wife, Patty, had to send in house blueprints, bank statements, old utility bills. Rachel was asked to prove her children were hers, as well as document the money she'd spent on her children's clothes, health care and so on.

They racked up $10,000 in accountant bills — $8,000 of which Driver is trying to recover from the IRS.

In the end, the parents were cleared. The IRS also backed off trying to reclaim Rachel's earned income tax credit.

But the agency insisted Rachel couldn't prove she was supporting her children — she didn't have enough receipts — so she had to stop claiming them as dependents. A few weeks ago she paid back $1,438 (plus penalties and interest!) on that issue.

Way to go, IRS. You did an investigation likely costing tens of thousands of dollars (counting both sides). To squeeze a grand out of a single mom who did nothing wrong.

Legally, Rachel's kids now are in tax limbo. I met them at the Porcaros' house and they seemed real enough, jostling and pleading to play video games. But as far as the IRS is concerned, they don't exist. Neither Rachel nor her parents can claim them as dependents.

"I tell you, we don't buy a roll of toiler paper anymore without keeping the receipt," Rob said.

Why did this happen? The IRS won't say, but Congress has been fighting for years about the earned income tax credit for the working poor.

Republicans have called the credits "backdoor welfare" and tried to cancel them. When they controlled Congress, they ordered the IRS to ramp up audits of people who claim the credit.

In 2006, credit recipients such as Rachel were more than twice as likely to get audited as the rest of the 140 million individual tax filers.

The Porcaros say they get that the IRS can't just audit the wealthy. Poor people commit fraud, too. But the intensity and duration of the IRS' "obsession," as Rob called it, as well as that it appears the agency was trolling for the working poor, remains a sore point.

It's why they agreed to talk about their finances in the newspaper.

"I feel they're persecuting the people who are down in the mud making the bricks," Rob says. "I'm sure there are tons who don't have the resources to lawyer up. What a way to go, to have your own government take you down because you're too poor."

Driver, the tax specialist, says it's well-known that the system targets the weak — people with sloppy returns, for example, who don't tend to be well off.

"It's the way a wolf goes after the weakest sheep."

Rachel says an irony of her year in tax hell is that the IRS is right about one thing — you can't get by in Seattle on what she makes. That's why she's living with her parents. To try to make a life in our shimmering city without relying on welfare, food stamps or other public assistance.

"We're an Italian family," she said. "We're surviving as a tribe. It seems like we got punished for that."
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 09:07:58 AM »

The sick part is, if you are falsely accused by someone of something, and it costs you money to defend yourself, you can legally sue to get the money you had to spend to clear your name, back.

Not in this case.  She's out 10k and there's nothing her or anyone can do about it.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 09:08:32 AM »

$10 says she is White.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 09:17:30 AM »

$10 says she is White.

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She says that they're an Italian family.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 09:35:35 AM »


"It's the way a wolf goes after the weakest sheep."

Ok well, that explains why Geithner and Daschle don't have to pay taxes until they get caught being appointed to Obama's administration... they're not the weak sheep. They're only the thieving eugenicists.. they don't count.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2009, 09:54:00 AM »

saw her on fox news morning show yesterday.  She is white.  Apparently, the IRS forgot to realize that this lady lived with her mother - that's why she is able to survive on her 19k a year hair dressing job.

thgat was her story on the news at any rate.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2009, 10:15:07 AM »

   The posters say it all

The opponent always get's a bone  remember last year 4 weeks before the election john mccain was against the bail-out monies he was just putting some seeds down for later. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 10:17:07 AM »



  Hassling the little Americans while the Banksters steal everything.  Only in Amerika.  We are beyond the Twilight Zone.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 10:28:03 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2009, 10:45:50 AM »

It's the inter-generational support system that they hate:
if that catches on, they go down.

when people move in with each other; and learn to pool resources and survive, nay, THRIVE because loneliness is over- life begins when we get out of our shells, out from behind our lit screens sequestered in our dark rooms eating food out of boxes.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 11:11:56 AM »

All that work into destroying the economy is bringing families back together, uniting to help one another. 
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 12:58:07 PM »

saw her on fox news morning show yesterday.  She is white.  Apparently, the IRS forgot to realize that this lady lived with her mother - that's why she is able to survive on her 19k a year hair dressing job.

thgat was her story on the news at any rate.

THAT'S the reason I believe she was flagged for audit, along with her residence and the children. The IRS will go after certain trades and professions because they are historically jobs that receive tips in some form, like a server or bartender. I knew a bartender that got audited and had a hassle with the way his tips were reported. Some hairdressers make some serious tips due to their larger client base, and the IRS knows that.

I also question the family charging their daughter rent. Why? The parents are turning right aorund and paying for other things for those kids, we all know they are. So the parents are basically getting their rent, only to pay it back in other things.

Everybody wants to decrease their expenses, but the lady is in a certain set of conditions that obviously flagged her for an audit. Any body that reports being an independent contractor/self employed jumps up the flagged list for an audit. That's part of running a business. As a hairdresser, your iin effect in business for yourself, as many places rent "chairs" out to dressers. She runs a business in effect.

There's more than one side to a story.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 01:28:48 PM »

THAT'S the reason I believe she was flagged for audit, along with her residence and the children. The IRS will go after certain trades and professions because they are historically jobs that receive tips in some form, like a server or bartender. I knew a bartender that got audited and had a hassle with the way his tips were reported. Some hairdressers make some serious tips due to their larger client base, and the IRS knows that.

I also question the family charging their daughter rent. Why? The parents are turning right aorund and paying for other things for those kids, we all know they are. So the parents are basically getting their rent, only to pay it back in other things.

Everybody wants to decrease their expenses, but the lady is in a certain set of conditions that obviously flagged her for an audit. Any body that reports being an independent contractor/self employed jumps up the flagged list for an audit. That's part of running a business. As a hairdresser, your iin effect in business for yourself, as many places rent "chairs" out to dressers. She runs a business in effect.

There's more than one side to a story.

Yes she is still living with her parents because she makes serious tips. That makes a lot of sense. A lot of parents will charge their kids "rent" just out of principle or to motivate them to move out. People shouldn't being paying taxes at all, (I do pay, but I pick my battles) yet alone single working mothers. Furthermore, the cost to audit someone in the lower tax bracket ends up costing more than what they could ever extract.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 01:51:49 PM »

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She made $18,992 the previous year cutting hair at Supercuts.

That figure is way under the poverty level.  I bet that IRS agent who started this makes wayyyy more than that.

Supercuts is a shitty place to expect to make any real money.  It is the McDonald's version of Hairdressers.    No offense guys, I have been to Supercuts, and those folks don't get paid diddly. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 01:57:30 PM »

Now did I say she or her parents were doing anything underhanded? Nope. I just gave what I feel is the reason for the audit; her profession. Notice nothing at all was mentioned about tips in the article, but anybody that goes to get a haircut knows they get tips. That's all I'm saying. And yes, Supercuts isn't exactly at the top of hair salons.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 02:25:23 PM »

Now did I say she or her parents were doing anything underhanded? Nope. I just gave what I feel is the reason for the audit; her profession. Notice nothing at all was mentioned about tips in the article, but anybody that goes to get a haircut knows they get tips. That's all I'm saying. And yes, Supercuts isn't exactly at the top of hair salons.

I don't know if you were directing your question at me, LL.  I just happen to know hairdressers and many of them started at supercuts to generatate contacts, it certainly was not for the pay.  I watch people drag their kids in there and all three little darlings get the haircuts cheap, and No tips from the jacked up hick mom whatsoever.  Some people!

H&R Block did this woman's taxes.  Those asshats never co-operated or represented my Mom when she was supporting 4 kids when the IRS audited my Mom.  I thinks that is another glaring problem we are not paying attention to here.
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 03:03:20 PM »

Oh, God willing you won't get me started on H&R. That is a whole 'nother topic.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2009, 05:27:12 PM »


No shame whatsoever. No humanity.

These freaks go after the defenseless, has anyone seen them chasing after the super corporations.

History repeats itself, tax collectors, be it for kings, lords, or pharoahs.

I watched them gain power back in the late 70's,field IRS agents were issued guns, they began lockouts of houses independent of defendents evidence, they would go as far as chasing what they refered to as T evaders  on the road, pulling them over , taking possesion of their car and seaching their person for money and valuables.
Top this off with the fact the IRS is an illegal bureau.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2009, 08:48:49 PM »

Stealing from the poor in the first world to give to the rich in the third world.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2009, 10:28:09 PM »

It's all an agenda after all.
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2009, 04:23:39 AM »

I mean though really? She should go shout what happened from the roof tops and better yet get someone to pay her for doing so !
Ridiculous !
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