After being explained 100x, I still want to shit all over the 911truth movement

[Shorebreak]

I'd like to get a handle on why the mainstream media is now airing convincing programs that reveal current government deception and criminal activities.

Here's my speculation. Please add yours:

For decades, leading researchers have been claiming that one of the goals of the finance elite in the US is to destroy American confidence in our form of government.

Some researchers, such as James Perloff in The Shadows of Power, have written (I'm paraphrasing/summarizing) that there will be a combined effort that will culminate in the destruction of the US economy, a global distrust of the US among foreign nations, a social breakdown among US families and communities, and ultimately a complete lack of faith in not only our national leadership, but in the entire structure and security of our government as a whole.

This breakdown in the US will be implemented in tandem with the development of international banking and finance oversight organizations, regional multi-national economic structures and currencies, increased global security apparatus, and a global oversight on economic infrastructure and development.

Those general observations were published over 20 years ago.

With that in mind, I find it very interesting that the mainstream media has chosen this timing to air Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory programming. I applaud Jesse for his efforts, but is it possible that there is a broader agenda behind allowing the programming to go in front of the people?

Is there a pre-planned response to the increased public outrage that is certain to emerge?

Will the programming be used to steer concerned Americans into a new direction, away from our current Constitutional framework, and into the supposed "security" of something that is multi-national in construct, as opposed to the "risks" that we face as a nation under leadership who control our current system?

Again, I applaud Jesse Ventura, but I'm a very big fan of the term "useful idiot". It's a fact that the elites need us to reject our current system if they want us to "peacably" follow them into a newer, supposedly better system.

Will Conspiracy Theory be used as a tool to roll out that deception? I've been watching and waiting for years to see how it's going to roll out, and I have to say that this fits the bill very well. I'll be watching very closely to see how these programs are responded to, and how the response is managed by the media and government.

If anyone else has any other speculation, or supportive speculation ...or if you disagree with me, I'd be very interested to see your responses.

[tracer7]

It seems like the truth movement is one step behind the elite. While they are planning their next move, we are uncovering what they have previously done. As a movement we need to think ahead. The elite plan ahead, they plan for our response. In fact, they may be steering our response in the direction that benefits them the most. The elite want America in chaos, more in fighting, more protests, to further tighten their grip. we need to be aware of their plans, and use them to our advantage.

[rio]

Because conspiracies are more popular than ever right now. I haven't seen the show, but it could be that the more the mainstream media can rope us back in to watching the tv and not confronting politicians and being active the better. Now I'm not saying that this is exactly the real agenda, but think about it.

The "truth" movement is slowly moving to the mainstream. From what I've heard about the show, it seems a bit like allowing a bit of truth to pacify the masses or "coming half clean", for lack of a better phrase.

Will Jesse Ventura cover the Zionist political control and domination of the American political process? Not on your life, and until he does, he will be allowed to carry on in this fashion.

[Blowback]

Probably the same reason they allow Alex to keep broadcasting his show.  Truth is hot right now, maybe it's just about ratings.

 
Who knows, I'm just glad its on TV.

[James]

Truth sells.

[larsonstdoc]

  It's all about the money.

[ES]

perhaps they only are able to infiltrate and control a portion of the media. If that is so then trutv was probably not high on their list, until now.

[N.E.P.]

Will Jesse Ventura cover the Zionist political control and domination of the American political process? Not on your life, and until he does, he will be allowed to carry on in this fashion.

Exactly. As long as the Z word isn't brought up Jesse can do what he wants. The Elites know people are close to unraveling this international conspiracy. They need to shift blame squarely on the US government because they want Americans to lose faith and give in to global government.
Look at guys like Van Jones. He is a communist and hates America. He was using the Truth movement to destabilize the government in hopes of ushering in his Marxist Utopia. Where did all of the liberal democrats go after Obama got elected? They went and got jobs at the white house. I think the early days of the truth movement were infiltrated by these Marxist types. They didn't care about truth. They cared about undermining the constitution and government of the US.
Jesse is not part of this conspiracy. He is pretty new to all of this and his motivations are pure. That's just my take on why the corporate media is letting his show go on.
The lesson is
1-Blame Bush
2-Blame Cheney
3-blame America
4-but dear god don't blame the Zionists

[jshowell]

they don't have the imagination to understand their plan isn't perfect.  They think whatever we say now it doesn't really matter, we won't have an ability to fight back.  

[iQon]

These shows are interesting, but not dangerous to the NWO because the shows point to their limited hang-out and the solution implied is their strongest point of defence.

[Djævlen]

i think its because the elite are so arrogant and have so much hubris, they think nothing can bring them down. they see the people as dumbed down, ignorant sheep who will do nothing even with the truth shoved right in their face.

"A revolt of the plebes would then be as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton”

[donnay]

i think its because the elite are so arrogant and have so much hubris, they think nothing can bring them down. they see the people as dumbed down, ignorant sheep who will do nothing even with the truth shoved right in their face.

"A revolt of the plebes would then be as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton”

I think you are right, these elite are arrogant and they also are braggadocios, and I have said this before and I'll say it again, their arrogance will be their undoing.

[jofortruth]

Remember the word in the title "Conspiracy".

The "sheeple" (the idiots who believe their government and media on everything) will hear that word and believe what the MSM has told them "to not believe CONSPIRACIES." These people are pretty sad individuals and will be the first to complain when the NWO has finished its ravaging of our country.  

However, if you are a "smart person", you will start researching what you hear in Jesse's series, as well as Infowars.com and prisonplanet.com to find out the truth for yourself. (To newbies who are just waking up)

MAKE YOUR CHOICE PEOPLE! Are you going to stay STUPID and watch on the sidelines while your country is destroyed? or will you start getting smart and start looking into the CONSPIRACIES.

The word should actually change to TRUTH that has been hidden from you for a long time, and is now being revealed because the elite are far enough advanced they think they have won. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THESE THINGS TO AIR! THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID AND THAT THEY HAVE THEIR NWO IN THE BAG!

Educate yourself:
http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception

[donnay]

Remember the word in the title "Conspiracy".

The "sheeple" (the idiots who believe their government and media on everything) will hear that word and believe what the MSM has told them "to not believe CONSPIRACIES." These people are pretty sad individuals and will be the first to complain when the NWO has finished its ravaging of our country.  

However, if you are a smart person, you will start researching what you hear in Jesse's series for yourself to find the truth, as well as Infowars.com and prisonplanet.com to find out for yourself. (To newbies who are just waking up)

MAKE YOUR CHOICE PEOPLE! Are you going to stay STUPID and watch on the sidelines while your country is destroyed? or will you start getting smart and start looking into the CONSPIRACIES.

The word should actually change to TRUTH that has been hidden from you for a long time, and is now being reveled because the elite are far enough advanced they think they have won. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THESE THINGS TO AIR! THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID AND THAT THEY HAVE THEIR NWO IN THE BAG!

+QFT

[Lilly Bighorn]

the main reason i can think of:

to instigate violence.

the show doesn't add much new and probably won't reach a huge audience. the people it does reach will continue to be aggravated at how the msm ignores or demonizes 9/11 truth and at least some will slip closer to violence, at which point they win. it can't be understated that if/when the american people rise up in violence, the smack down they're just waiting to give will soon follow.

[jofortruth]

MODS, why did you relegate this to the OFF TOPIC section? This is very much on topic?

We all complain that the elite shut down discussions. What's with this?

I think this discussion is important!

 

[hardrain77]

There's $$ in them there conspiracy theories.

[sternzy]

Well here is the guy who ultimately "allowed" the show;

"Time Warner Cable’s CEO Glenn Britt to Participate in the UBS Global Media & Communications Conference."

UBS Global Media & Communications Conference...in a few words:

"Headquartered in Zurich and Basel, Switzerland, UBS is a global firm providing financial services to private, corporate and institutional clients. Its strategy is to focus on international wealth management and the Swiss banking business alongside its global expertise in investment banking and asset management. In Switzerland, UBS is the market leader in retail and commercial banking."
http://www.ubs.com/1/e/media_overview/media_americas/few_words.html

This sounds to me like a conference of individuals all-for globalization.

As a side note....I wonder if this is the organization that guides the elite's on where/how to transfer your wealth into tax-free Swiss safe-haven's.

[orangeblue]

There's $$ in them there conspiracy theories.

Jesse is a strange choice as host if this TV series is a divide and conquer op by the MSM.  Because of his military and political background, he has strong credibility among those who would be called on to subdue US citizens during civil unrest.  If they had picked someone who didn’t command respect from police and military, I’d be much more suspicious of the show.

On another note, I received an email today stating AOL is now independent from Time Warner.  Maybe TW needs help with its financial mess and backed Jesse’s series because they felt it would draw high ratings and generate healthy ad revenue.  Conspiracy Theory might have simply been a business decision to improve truTV’s profitability.

[EarthAngel_2012]

IMO.. the elites feel or try t always be in control..Timing is key to they because they follow rules and a timeline i won't discuss now..but they let things get out when they are ready for it to.. anyone who leaks before their scheduled time or when tthey're not ready for somehing to come out will be X'ed out if that person is getting enough attention..that's why you can see people comming out publicaly and be safe when years ago other saying the same have been killed.. it wasn't the time for it then..they believ they control because in a way they do..when they decide it's the right time for things to come out then and only then will they allow people to speak and not face fatal consequences because at thet time they are ready and also need the reaction to bring it to the next phase..if any pay attention look at how much more people are comming out speaing on things to varify things, like ufo's, reptilians, the fed.res.,global gov..like i said from my opinion, observation and research it's time for an uproar and civil unrest to move forward to what is destined...i'm sure these thing will escalate until that tiping point...but again this WILL happend and it was written..and i'm not sure and don't care how ppl will take this but just a heads UP.. BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR MORE  SIGHTINGS OF GIANTS BEING SEEN..AND OFCOURSE REPTILIANS..just a heads up..

[Kilika]

Why allow it? Well, the way the show is done, I suspect they felt it would serve as more noise to drown out the truth. It is TruTV afterall. Not exactly a top shelf channel. Just look at the other shows on that channel. I see it as an attempt to shove the whole thing into the nutcase network with the rest of the "Drunks gone bad!", "I survived an enema", and "When hamsters attack!", high entertainment shows.

Run it on the same channel as the 18-34 demographic that watches wrastlin', shows about car wrecks, and people doing stupid things. That'll bring into question the mental capacity of the viewers. You'd NEVER see this show on any major network.

Something also tells me that the people at the network were thinking it was going to be a little different that what it is. Just a guess.

[trailhound]

I'd like to get a handle on why the mainstream media is now airing convincing programs that reveal current government deception and criminal activities.

Here's my speculation. Please add yours:

For decades, leading researchers have been claiming that one of the goals of the finance elite in the US is to destroy American confidence in our form of government.

Some researchers, such as James Perloff in The Shadows of Power, have written (I'm paraphrasing/summarizing) that there will be a combined effort that will culminate in the destruction of the US economy, a global distrust of the US among foreign nations, a social breakdown among US families and communities, and ultimately a complete lack of faith in not only our national leadership, but in the entire structure and security of our government as a whole.

This breakdown in the US will be implemented in tandem with the development of international banking and finance oversight organizations, regional multi-national economic structures and currencies, increased global security apparatus, and a global oversight on economic infrastructure and development.

Those general observations were published over 20 years ago.

With that in mind, I find it very interesting that the mainstream media has chosen this timing to air Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory programming. I applaud Jesse for his efforts, but is it possible that there is a broader agenda behind allowing the programming to go in front of the people?

Is there a pre-planned response to the increased public outrage that is certain to emerge?

Will the programming be used to steer concerned Americans into a new direction, away from our current Constitutional framework, and into the supposed "security" of something that is multi-national in construct, as opposed to the "risks" that we face as a nation under leadership who control our current system?

Again, I applaud Jesse Ventura, but I'm a very big fan of the term "useful idiot". It's a fact that the elites need us to reject our current system if they want us to "peacably" follow them into a newer, supposedly better system.

Will Conspiracy Theory be used as a tool to roll out that deception? I've been watching and waiting for years to see how it's going to roll out, and I have to say that this fits the bill very well. I'll be watching very closely to see how these programs are responded to, and how the response is managed by the media and government.

If anyone else has any other speculation, or supportive speculation ...or if you disagree with me, I'd be very interested to see your responses.

 I think the jist of what you are saying is a very sound and sober thought and one I have been having since about 2002.

Not to suggest by any means that we should suppress the truth, but I strongly suspect the truth will be used against the US and therefore the US constitution and everything good we ever stood for will be rolled into one shit sandwhich with the inside criminals.

We should continue exposing the truth, all of it we can find, but we should be very aware that they want to destroy the US and are working from the inside. Like the provocateurs who approach Alex in the street wanting to get him to blow something up, they use the same method against uncle sam, you better believe it!

 I agree with Jofortruth this is a topic we should be mulling over. I tend to agree with the moderators here most of the time, but in this instance I think off topic whining ufo is the wrong place for this thread.

[NotASlave]

I'm sorry.

Call me a cynic.  I just find it hard to believe "they" allowed this broadcast out.  Its just too much.  I finally got around to watching it. (slow connect). OMG - I actually LEARNED NEW STUFF I didn't know!  lol... no way !

The production was NOT CHEAP.  This was $COSTLY$ filming.  Where did the money come from?  I'm sorry - ...just something inside me doesn't trust ANYONE at ALL anymore - Especially "X-POliticians"!

Its one thing for me to hear Jessy pop in on the radio ...its another , entirely , to see THIS BROADCAST splattered to the masses without being blocked.

Something is up.  I can't put my finger on it - but I really feel there is a "trap" to this whole bit somewhere. 

The show was SPECTACULAR to see - WOW!  Geraldo (the WORM) would be be proud!

Anyone have any speculations about WHY they allowed this out to the masses? 

[Dig]

Since there are over 100,000 pieces of evidence proving without a shadow of doubt that the official 911 story is an absolute lie and the matrix's house of cards is implodiing at a speed greater than building 7 at 5:20pm EST on 9/11/01, there is only  one question we should be asking ourselves....

why the hell did it take over 8 years to have just one show out of over 10,000 to give us just the bare basics concerning the largest crime scene in the history of the world?

those that are so deluded to think the NWO controls everything have been mind controlled by disinfo artists. they most certainly do not control everything, yet they have convinced millions to live their entire lives in utter apathy whom will never be able to comprehend the actual evidence of the power of free will and free humanity.

[Freeski]

Well this thread was/is a good read, and it is an interesting question. Personally I think the series so far is being presented as semi-serious fun, especially considering it's affiliated with the Turner Broadcasting System, and because there's demand for it. But it doesn't actually matter why - as long as the issue is on TV. I'm lovin' it!

[Djævlen]

Since there are over 100,000 pieces of evidence proving without a shadow of doubt that the official 911 story is an absolute lie and the matrix's house of cards is implodiing at a speed greater than building 7 at 5:20pm EST on 9/11/01, there is only  one question we should be asking ourselves....

why the hell did it take over 8 years to have just one show out of over 10,000 to give us just the bare basics concerning the largest crime scene in the history of the world?

those that are so deluded to think the NWO controls everything have been mind controlled by disinfo artists. they most certainly do not control everything, yet they have convinced millions to live their entire lives in utter apathy whom will never be able to comprehend the actual evidence of the power of free will and free humanity.

QFT!

[Shorebreak]

Since there are over 100,000 pieces of evidence proving without a shadow of doubt that the official 911 story is an absolute lie and the matrix's house of cards is implodiing at a speed greater than building 7 at 5:20pm EST on 9/11/01, there is only  one question we should be asking ourselves....

why the hell did it take over 8 years to have just one show out of over 10,000 to give us just the bare basics concerning the largest crime scene in the history of the world?

those that are so deluded to think the NWO controls everything have been mind controlled by disinfo artists. they most certainly do not control everything, yet they have convinced millions to live their entire lives in utter apathy whom will never be able to comprehend the actual evidence of the power of free will and free humanity.

Sane - I'm overjoyed to see the show on mainstream television. I'm also the last person who will tell you that the NWO controls EVERYTHING.

But since we know that the NWO is setting the US up for monumental failure in order to incorporate us into a formalized multi-national system, AND since some of the most prominant earlier researchers have been claiming for decades that the NWO will conduct activities to discourage belief in our government....

Doesn't it at least make sense to posit the questions that I presented?

Should we keep them in mind but not mention them, trusting that others are on the same page?

Should we be trying to be "politically correct" bullshitters among ourselves, walking on our toes whenever a subject might involve an otherwise respected individual?

I'm not accusing Jesse of anything whatsoever. I believe that he's a stand-up guy. But there is legitimate cause to believe that the show may present the truth, which will then be used to spin people into the wrong response.

Was I wrong about Ruppert? That was another set of threads that got renamed, sent to an odd corner, and then proved to be correct.

On this forum should we be concerned about how we comment on pertinent isues, so that we don't piss off the moderators who might not "get" where we're coming from?

I love Jesse. I love Alex and the work he's done. Hell, I even love the indepth and insightful threads the YOU (Sane) often present on this forum.

Also, you renamed this thread as an anti-9/11 Truth thread but I didn't mention anything about the 9/11 Truth Movement. I only addressed Jesse's Conspiracy Theory program and it's NWO implications.

If you want reality, I am 100% supportive of 9/11 Truth. I've interacted with Stephen Jones, have personally discussed the issues with Michael Badnarik at various points while he was on the 2004 campaign trail, it was yours truly who used my resources to bring global attention to the Kevin Ryan story, etc etc etc.

Why am I telling you this, since none of that really matters in the grand scheme of things?

Because for some reason, when I moved the topic away from the current and the absurd (e.g. H1N1, brain scans, and Reptilians), and I introduced the stated and documented strategic goals of the NWO - in full alignment with current events (like Jesse's program - there are many other current examples but I'm sure that you're well aware of them), I struck some sort of chord in you that motivated you to a negative reaction.

If the goal is to enlighten, inform, and learn, that response makes zero sense to me because it discourages all three.

Read Perloff. Unless you find a fundamental flaw in his work (which I have not found), you'll see my perspective.

[trailhound]

 I am part of the truth movement and am not shitting on myself.

THE POINT IS THAT THE PLAN IS TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SEPARATE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC FROM THE CRIMINALS WORKING WITHIN IT.

Does that mean the truth movement is bad, hell no! We just need to include all of the truth in the truth movement. If you dont think the US is on the NWO chopping block quite frankly your head is lodged in your large intestine. If thats an off topic whining ufo point I got a piece of the brooklyn bridge to sell you.

Jesse is great and I am very happy about his efforts and tv show as you know. I dont think the posters here are attacking his efforts or information. The point is lets be watchful and do our best not to let them use the info to help their agenda of destroying the US.  We need to expose the real criminals and not let uncle sam be the patsy.

Think of it like the allies of ww2 gangf**king germany because of the corrupt leadership. I dont want to see that happen to my country which is one of the main reasons I wish the majority of the public were truthers, truth is always in our best interest imo. 

[Dig]

wtf? is the us on the chopping block?

derrrrr of course.

do we need to investigate this shit ourselves and expose this shit ourselves like EX-NAVY SEAL, EX-US GOVERNOR has on national tv? YOUR DAMN RIGHT WE NEED TO!

the NWO plan is to build external pressure against us.

jesse, aj, and others are making sure this remains as much an american investigation and demand for justice as possible.

but 9/11 involves at least 5 other countries, all of whiich were controlled by a handful of banksters.

make sure everyone you know sees this program. IMO, the more we wake up at home the quicker we can call for the indictments of all the terrorists and show the international power players...WE DO NOT NEED YOUR WORLD COURT WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY THE SAME BANKSTERS THAT WE WILL BE INDICTING.