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Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« on: December 09, 2009, 07:00:49 PM »
Kucinich plans to force vote on US withdrawal from Afghanistan
http://rawstory.com/2009/12/kucinich-vote-withdrawal-afghanistan/
By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, December 9th, 2009 -- 4:20 pm


For congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Afghan President Hamid Karzai's announcement Tuesday that his country would need the US's military support for another 10 or 15 years seems to have been the last straw.

The outspoken House representative says it was Karzai's statement that prompted him to draft a resolution calling for a House vote on the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"We shouldn't be there another 15 to 20 months, let alone 15 to 20 years," Kucinich told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "When I'm in my district talking to people, nobody has come up to me and said we need to be in Afghanistan for the next 15 to 20 years. They do say we need jobs, we need to protect our basic industry, we need education, we need to protect retirement security. I'd like to see us start taking care of things here at home."

Kucinich is circulating a letter (PDF) among congressional colleagues asking them to co-sponsor his resolution.

My bills, which would trigger a timeline for a timely withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan and Pakistan, invoke the War Powers Resolution of 1973 and are intended to secure the Constitutional role of Congress, as directly elected representatives of the people, under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, to decide whether or not America enters into war, continues a war, or otherwise introduces armed rorces or material into combat zones.

Despite the president's assertion that previous congressional action gives him the authority to respond to the attacks of September 11, 2001, a careful reading of the Authorization of Use of Military Force (AUMF) makes cleat that the AUMF did not supersede "any requirement of the War Powers Resolution" and therefore did not undermine Congress' ability to revisit the constitutional question of war powers at a later date.

“We cannot afford these wars. We cannot afford the loss of lives. We cannot afford the cost to taxpayers. We cannot afford to fail to exercise our constitutional right to end the wars," Kucinich said in a statement circulated among reporters on Wednesday.

Kucinich told the Plain Dealer he expects his resolution to land at the House International Relations Committee early next year. If the resolution is voted down, he will ask to have it moved back to the floor of the House -- a maneuver that earlier this year allowed him to debate the impeachment of former Vice President Dick Cheney on the House floor, the Plain Dealer notes.

During a visit by Defense Secretary Robert Gates to Kabul on Tuesday, President Karzai told the Pentagon chief that Afghanistan would need the US's help in security matters for 10 or 15 years going forward. President Obama's plan to start withdrawing troops in July 2011 has sparked concern in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan that the Taliban could sit out the surge and attack a pared down force in 18 months' time.

"For 15 to 20 years, Afghanistan will not be able to sustain a force of that nature and capability with its own resources," Karzai told a news conference. "We hope that the international community and the United States, as our first ally, will help Afghanistan reach the ability to sustain a force."
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 07:08:37 PM »
This would be great.. Hopefully they do that for Iraq as well... I doubt any of it goes through, but I still give Kucinich for trying.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 07:11:16 PM »
kucinich is the real thing. even ron paul couldn't bring articles of impeachment against bush and cheney.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 07:22:12 PM »
In many cases kusinich plays right into the hands of the NWO but he does say what he thinks I will give him that ;D

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 07:26:45 PM »
Circulate that letter to all your communities Get everyone calling about this bill and FORCE IT


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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2009, 03:50:10 PM »

I allways liked Denny, sure some of his actions I don't agree with, so what.

This is courage out in the open, coupled with conscience.

I give Dennis my sincere and heartfelt applause.

YUP, I have sent my e mail.

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Kucinich: The War in Afghanistan is a Racket!
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 04:22:38 PM »

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Re: Kucinich: The War in Afghanistan is a Racket!
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 04:32:48 PM »
It's hard not to admire the man.

He may believe in socialism as an answer to a free peoples' normal human challenges, but at least he's truthful.

Amazing, too, about the racket example.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2009, 05:23:19 PM »
kucinich is the real thing. even ron paul couldn't bring articles of impeachment against bush and cheney.

But paul co-sponsor the kucinich's bill to impeach bush and cheney.
I'm not a fan of either party, I'm an American and a partiot and thank god ron paul gets my vote.

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 05:45:35 PM »
I allways liked Denny, sure some of his actions I don't agree with, so what.

This is courage out in the open, coupled with conscience.

I give Dennis my sincere and heartfelt applause.

YUP, I have sent my e mail.

He is courageous man. He ignores party politics and faces the truth/facts head on.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 09:08:48 PM »
I like how he talks about what his constituents want, it shows that at least he listens to the people he represents. That's more than I can say about a lot of other politicians.

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 09:16:14 PM »
kucinich sold out, he ain't going to change squat

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »
I like how he talks about what his constituents want, it shows that at least he listens to the people he represents. That's more than I can say about a lot of other politicians.

Yeah, but that's only half of the equation. He's still a socialist, and socialism is deadly, evil and repugnant. Socialism is a scam that's perpetrated on those who refuse to know or understand history.

Socialism = communism = tyranny = no respect for individual rights or freedom = control = totalitarianism = managed society = evil = dictatorship = democracy = murder = corruption = fear of liberty.

Just watch the Soviet Story.

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 09:54:37 PM »
kucinich sold out, he ain't going to change squat

I really wonder what happened - yeah, I know he believes in this New Age nonsense, but I was shocked he sold out to healthcare this year, and it ended up being a last minute thing after he was on the plane with Obama. Was he or his family threatened? Or was he offered alot of money?

Who knows? But I was dissapointed.

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2010, 10:13:15 PM »
I really wonder what happened - yeah, I know he believes in this New Age nonsense, but I was shocked he sold out to healthcare this year, and it ended up being a last minute thing after he was on the plane with Obama. Was he or his family threatened? Or was he offered alot of money?

Who knows? But I was dissapointed.

No surprise, really, because he believes in "socialism" (thinks it's a good/kind thing), but does not believe in or understand liberty. Not every unbeliever of freedom has evil intent. Trusting liberty requires faith to some degree.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 10:16:58 PM »
No surprise, really, because he believes in "socialism" (thinks it's a good/kind thing), but does not believe in or understand liberty. Not every unbeliever of freedom has evil intent.

Reminds me somewhat of Jim Wallis - that so-called "pastor" who's pushing the "social justice" gospel. He doesn't exactly believe in "socialism" per se, but he just uses a different term to get his draconian message out. He basically acts like the poor isn't getting treated fairly, so he uses Jesus' name in blaspheme, may I add, to make his case how Jesus helped the poor by supposedly getting the rich people's money into their hands(of course, this isn't true at all).

Now I hear the Emergent Church with Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Brian McLaren, et al are indoctrinating their youth within their very own church walls with the "social justice" gospel.

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 10:26:06 PM »
Reminds me somewhat of Jim Wallis - that so-called "pastor" who's pushing the "social justice" gospel. He doesn't exactly believe in "socialism" per se, but he just uses a different term to get his draconian message out. He basically acts like the poor isn't getting treated fairly, so he uses Jesus' name in blaspheme, may I add, to make his case how Jesus helped the poor by supposedly getting the rich people's money into their hands(of course, this isn't true at all).

Now I hear the Emergent Church with Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Brian McLaren, et al are indoctrinating their youth within their very own church walls with the "social justice" gospel.

Right, the Jesus I know about -- and like -- would release people from bondage so they could fend for themselves with impunity. Sort of like teaching a guy to fish, rather than giving him a fish.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2010, 10:29:40 PM »
kucinich sold out, he ain't going to change squat

Not only did he sell out, he made no effort to explain his 'change of mind' on health care when he came off Air Force one a week before the vote. I'm afraid that we are on our own. There will be no help from Denial City. The money changers are back in the temple and we had better be rid of them very soon or, we will be eating scraps out of the garbage can.
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2010, 10:52:51 PM »
Kucinich didn't "sell out".

"Cave in" maybe, but I think he was coerced.

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2010, 11:12:05 PM »

Just Dennis trying to get another ride on Air Force One...
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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2010, 12:06:30 AM »
7 years later...and congress is still "voting". buncha wimps. throw some people in jail already.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2010, 02:34:45 PM »
Kucinich didn't "sell out".

"Cave in" maybe, but I think he was coerced.
either way he can't  be trusted we shouldn't be naive to think anyone from congress will come to save the day, 

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2010, 03:18:06 PM »
I don't think he is trying to save us.  In this matter, it sounds like he is at least trying to do his job, and I believe we should support him with respect to it.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2010, 05:18:26 PM »
support all you want ,nothing will come out of it..just like the audit the fed bill, great idea but at the end of the day the crooks won't let it happen, cuz they control the congress

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2010, 07:24:46 PM »
Davide,

What would you suggest we do?

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2010, 07:40:30 PM »
I don't have the answers ...I can't even wake up the majoriy of my friends who care more about playing golf than the nwo
I will say as much as there's been an awakening to the nwo I believe we still  don't have the numbers  to do much, when and if we do get a mass awakening we should storm parliament and throw the whole lot of them out...Kucinich has betrayed the people therefore I don't put stock into anything he does now..

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2010, 07:50:18 PM »
Well, if I lived in Kucinich's district, I wouldn't vote for his re-election.

However, on this issue, I believe he does deserve our support -- at least unitl we in the U.S are ready to "storm" congress and "throw all the bums out."  Not a bad idea either, IMO.

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2010, 08:16:33 PM »
at least unitl we in the U.S are ready to "storm" congress and "throw all the bums out."  Not a bad idea either, IMO.
thats what im talkin bout. 7 years in illegal wars, and the clowns in congress are still trying to save face by "voting". news flash to congress, we're not buyin it. you're all fired.
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2010, 08:20:13 PM »
Trusting liberty requires faith to some degree.

Faith, or the ability to look do asthmatic, or read history, or the ability think stealing is immoral, or the ability to beleive politicians are not always benevolent omniscient beings, or ....

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2010, 08:53:32 PM »
kucinich is the real thing.
you're on some good weed  ;D kucinich gave us Obama care. enough said.

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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2010, 09:06:07 PM »
to look do asthmatic....

to do arithmetic (puts on dunce hat and enrolls in first grade.)

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Re: Kucinich: I am going to force a vote to end this genocide!
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2010, 05:26:06 PM »
Thanks to General Betray-us we might be
moving the 2011 withdrawl deadline to 2014.
After the end of the world no doubt.