Australia's Parliament defeats global warming bill

[menace]

Australia's plans for an emissions trading system to combat global warming were scuttled Wednesday in Parliament, handing a defeat to a government that had hoped to set an example at international climate change talks next week.

The Senate, where Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's government does not hold a majority, rejected his administration's proposal for Australia to become one of the first countries to install a so-called cap-and-trade system to slash the amount of heat-trapping pollution that industries pump into the air.

The 41-33 vote followed a tumultuous debate in which the conservative main opposition party at first agreed to support a version of the government's bill, then dramatically dumped its leader and switched sides after bitter divisions erupted within the party.

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/australia-s-parliament-defeats-global-warming-bill-1.1632503

[jjbk]

they didnt make it WOO HOO.
I rang the senators for my state, and they were all like too bad how sad you voted for labor so you get their policies THATS WHAT THEY SAID TO ME.

I said what about the Australian people, and even in light of the scandal erupting you still want to vote yes.

they replied Yes we are criminals and you will bend over and take it.

now im gana call them back and inform them their treachery will be met harshly with lawsuits, and restraining orders from parliament

[Mike Philbin]

Australia being the NEW WORLD ORDER 'western test bed' -- this news can't have buoyed them up that much.

[kushfiend]

This is a real victory for Aussies!! You guys should be proud, it seems you have people in your govt who still give a damn about your country. Here in the us our politicians are licking thier lips thinking about cap and trade!

Good news is hard to come by these days, this def made my day

[jjbk]

the opposing party had to throw out its leader. thats what it took to get things changed

[Dig]

the opposing party had to throw out its leader. thats what it took to get things changed

MORE COWBELL!!!

I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL!!!!!!!!!!!

I GOT A FEVER AND THE ONLY CURE IS COWBELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEP POSTING UPDATES, DETAILS, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS, PLEASE!

[lee51]

YES!!!!!!

[deags]

Smart people are still going to vote ALP next election. ALP are a member of Socialist International. I'm sure their plan for the future includes Marxism somewhere then . I hope anyone who votes ALP doesn't think they are doing me any favours.

I'm pleased to see this result! I emailed many Liberal MP's and senators about this. The replies are still trickling in.

It's hard to find articles that are not written by socialists. This is no exception .

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/live-blog-liberal-leadership-showdown-in-canberra/

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/tony-abbott-vs-kevin-rudd-now-this-is-what-i-call-a-choice/

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/abbott-ill-slug-it-out/

After this I'm tempted to rejoin the party. It's full of softies which gives me the shits. I quit a few weeks ago when I heard Turnbull was going to negotiate on an ETS.

[bs]

unbelievable!!!!
bring back the Libs!!

[zharklm]

Division Required?
Ring the bells.
Man that was so anti-climatic watching it live. Yes it is good to hear, but we need to keep working, we have only bought ourselves a couple of months before the war is on again.

[mr anderson]

The CPRS 'Carbon pollution reduction scheme' will be reintroduced for a third time in February 2010 and if it is defeated again that'll give the Government a trigger to call for an early election.

This is a real victory for Aussies!! You guys should be proud, it seems you have people in your govt who still give a damn about your country. Here in the us our politicians are licking thier lips thinking about cap and trade!

Good news is hard to come by these days, this def made my day

Ahhh haha I wouldn't go that far.

The only party opposing it 100% are the Nationals which can only be described as serving the rural / farming communities. (Conservatism, Agrarianism - Political position: Centre-Right). The Nationals and Liberals (Centre-right) form the Coalition and many from the Liberals were only opposed to the emissions trading scheme only because a) It wasn't theirs b) Scheme was flawed c) Did little for the environment

Ironically the five Greens Senators all voted against it purely because it didn't go far enough!

The only politicians within the Senate that took an open stand against this are Senator Joyce (Nationals), Senator Minchin (Liberal) and an assortment of other Senators & MPs.

Vote for any major / semi-minor political party and your screwed.


ETS negotiations: Greg Combet (Labor - Party in Government)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGrnul7IBs

"We ultimately sat down with the Opposition, negotiated in good faith, made significant concessions, reached an agreement that was endorsed by the shadow cabinet and the Coalition party room, only to have a bunch of extremists, conspiracy theorists and climate change sceptics undo their own party, pull down their own leader and install Mr Abbott, of course who’s quite an ideologue on many fronts."

Greg.Combet.MP@aph.gov.au

[mr anderson]

Stern attacks Australian climate sceptics

By Europe correspondent Emma Alberici

Posted Wed Dec 2, 2009 8:38am AEDT
Updated Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:57am AEDT

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/02/2759248.htm

Britain's leading climate change economist, Nicholas Stern, has warned Australian politicians that they are mistaken if they think tackling climate change is too costly.

New Liberal leader Tony Abbott has put his party on a collision course with the Government over its emissions trading laws, which are expected to be voted down in the Senate this morning.

In London overnight Lord Stern released two new reports which he will take to this month's United Nations conference in Copenhagen.

They detail 11 points which he has worked on with the United Nations to help shape a final political agreement.

He says failure to secure a new deal could put the world at risk of temperature rises of more than 5 degrees Celsius, which he said would lead to serious global conflict.

And he attacked climate change sceptics, including those in Australian politics.

"If Australia were to take a view that it's all too difficult and costly that would be extremely damaging and it would also be profoundly mistaken," he warned.

Lord Stern labelled the views of those who are sceptical about the existence of man-made global warming as "muddled and confused".

Meanwhile UK Independence Party leader Malcolm Pearson welcomed the Liberal Party's decision to ditch former leader Malcolm Turnbull because of his support for the ETS.

"Let us hope that Malcolm Turnbull's fall is the first political scalp of many from those who pursue this crazy warmist agenda," he said.

Lord Stern will be a key player at Copenhagen next week.

He believes that rich countries need to commit $55 billion a year to the developing world to help them tackle climate change.

In his view, that should rise to $220 billion a year by 2020.

[mr anderson]

Background: CSIRO 'gagging climate debate'

Clive Spash resigns from CSIRO after climate report 'censorship'

December 3, 2009

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/clive-spash-resigns-from-csiro-after-climate-report-censorship/story-e6frfku0-1225806539742

SCIENTIST Clive Spash has resigned from the CSIRO and called for a Senate inquiry into the science body following the censorship of his controversial report into emissions trading.

Dr Spash has lashed out at the organisation which he said promoted self-censorship among its scientists with its unfair publication guidelines.

He said he was stunned at the treatment he received at the hands of CSIRO management, including boss Megan Clark, and believed he was not alone.

"I've been treated extremely poorly," he said. "There needs to be a Senate inquiry.

"The way the publication policy and the charter are being interpreted will encourage self-censorship.

"It's obviously happened before at the CSIRO - and there's issues currently."

Last month, Dr Spash accused the organisation of gagging him and his report - The Brave New World of Carbon Trading - and restricting its publication.

The report is critical of cap and trade schemes, like the one the federal government is seeking to introduce, as well as big compensation to polluters.

Dr Spash advocates a direct tax on carbon.

The CSIRO said the report was in breach of its publication guidelines, which restrict scientists from speaking out on public policy.

But it provoked accusations the CSIRO was censoring research harmful to the Government.

Under intense pressure, Dr Clark publicly released the report on November 26 but warned Dr Spash would be punished for his behaviour and his refusal to amend it.

"I believe that internationally peer-reviewed science should be published or, if Dr Clark wishes to have her own opinion, then she should publish her own opinion," Dr Spash said, who has been on sick leave.

"I've been to the doctor under extreme stress."

He had been ordered not to speak to the media while working for the CSIRO, which originally headhunted him for the job.

[James]

Smart people are still going to vote ALP next election. ALP are a member of Socialist International. I'm sure their plan for the future includes Marxism somewhere then . I hope anyone who votes ALP doesn't think they are doing me any favours.

People forget too easily. What happened last time Labor was in power? Remember the missing $10 billion? They LIED.

It's well known Labor was infiltrated by cointelpro types in the 80/90's the party is about as corrupt as you can get. They did it was ATSIC they did it with making the Auditor general relocate to a building owned by Labor and pay $30 million a year rent and sign a non disclosure agreement so they can't investigate the fact that this taxpayers money is going directly into Labor coffers. They represent the rights of workers. They don't represent the unions they don't represent anyone. And the sooner these idiots that vote for Labor realise it the better.

I'm sure we could start and fill another thread just on the basis of how corrupt Labor is on it's own.

Turning to the Liberals and Nats is only going to be a temporary fix I'm afraid and we should not rest on our laurels here. We have not won by any means.

Why hasn't the coalition come out swinging with the truth? Why haven't we launched investigations? Because of the status quo. Why would the Liberals and Nats remove their own ability to do exactly the same thing Labor has?

The system is still broken. We still have a long way to go. And now we've got the added burden of trying to fix everything else Labor has done since it regained power.

[deags]

James speaks the truth.

I'm someone who believes in freedom. However it's hard to operate a free-market when the rest of the worlds markets do not do so. I feel we need to take a nationalistic approach to free-market.

I don't believe voting for these minor parties will achieve anything unless they hold the balance of power in the senate, once a party gets big, it will just end up with factions anyway. I feel shaping the party to suit you is probably a better goal. Tony Abbot had to stack his electorate before he could even speak.

I feel Australia's agriculture is hard done by. Many of the other first world countries subsidise their farmers and we are left here trying to make a dollar on what the rest of the world would consider very low rainfalls and still paying the same for everything, just getting paid less for the product. I'm not making a case for subsidising farmers, I'm just saying our governments shouldn't try to make it any harder, particularly when the science is dodgy. This might also explain how the Nationals are still around .

I've listened to Tony Abbot speak about climate change. He is very passionate about the subject. It's quite clear that he HAS picked up a book, done a bit of reading and come to his conclusion that perhaps it's all a bit overstated and alarmist. His view was at the time(4 or 5 months ago) was that if the liberals were going to agree to a policy it should be a tax. A tax can be removed. It's quite difficult to remove an ETS after businesses have invested significant money into it.

I'd like to point out Senator Fielding has been firmly against this for a long time. Here is a photo from the senate last week.


P.S. James when ALP voters get annoyed with the ALP they just vote Greens. I find it very hard to vote anyone other than Liberal in my area because all the little guys hand votes to the ALP and I refuse to support those pricks. I'll stand by the nationals as long as they continue to stand by the farmer.

As a voter you can only choose between the two. As a member you can have a vote on the position or policy the party takes.

The ALP makes Joh looks pretty good. Joh was pretty good actually. When it comes to governments doing stuff.

[Dig]

James speaks the truth.

I'm someone who believes in freedom. However it's hard to operate a free-market when the rest of the worlds markets do not do so. I feel we need to take a nationalistic approach to free-market.

I don't believe voting for these minor parties will achieve anything unless they hold the balance of power in the senate, once a party gets big, it will just end up with factions anyway. I feel shaping the party to suit you is probably a better goal. Tony Abbot had to stack his electorate before he could even speak.

I feel Australia's agriculture is hard done by. Many of the other first world countries subsidise their farmers and we are left here trying to make a dollar on what the rest of the world would consider very low rainfalls and still paying the same for everything, just getting paid less for the product. I'm not making a case for subsidising farmers, I'm just saying our governments shouldn't try to make it any harder, particularly when the science is dodgy. This might also explain how the Nationals are still around .

I've listened to Tony Abbot speak about climate change. He is very passionate about the subject. It's quite clear that he HAS picked up a book, done a bit of reading and come to his conclusion that perhaps it's all a bit overstated and alarmist. His view was at the time(4 or 5 months ago) was that if the liberals were going to agree to a policy it should be a tax. A tax can be removed. It's quite difficult to remove an ETS after businesses have invested significant money into it.

I'd like to point out Senator Fielding has been firmly against this for a long time. Here is a photo from the senate last week.


P.S. James when ALP voters get annoyed with the ALP they just vote Greens. I find it very hard to vote anyone other than Liberal in my area because all the little guys hand votes to the ALP and I refuse to support those pricks. I'll stand by the nationals as long as they continue to stand by the farmer.

As a voter you can only choose between the two. As a member you can have a vote on the position or policy the party takes.

The ALP makes Joh looks pretty good. Joh was pretty good actually. When it comes to governments doing stuff.

free market is the greatest lie the east india trading company/globalists have ever perpetuated.

george washington's first action was to put tarriffs on imports.

iy is the localization of power and denies an enemy from controlling local populances.

glad that other countries are seeing this too.

[James]

P.S. James when ALP voters get annoyed with the ALP they just vote Greens.

That just opens up a whole other can of worms. And we have to tread very carefully with that one. The Lowy institute is trying to derail the way we do referendums and elections because they knew full well one is coming. They want to "simplify" the wording and move to electronic machines (that they produce) we all know how dangerous that is.

But at the same time we've got the biggest issue which effects our ability to ever do anything about this as it stands. The preferences.

You can vote greens and Labor still wins anyway. Until we can stop preferences true democracy will be out of our reach and we will never be able to influence the major parties grip on power.

The vote stacking you've mentioned is another issue. It's very hard to ever break in at a local/state level.

[roganvilla]

I've really got to tip my hat to the radio talk back hosts (ie:Michael Smith, Alan Jones,Greg Carey and Jim Ball) who interviewed and commented on people such as Lord Monckton and scientists/geologists etc, and highlighted the "sceptics" side of the debate.
They are the ones who motivated the people to contact their representatives and bombard them with the message that the Australian people do not want a bar of this non-sensicle carbon tax!
People power!!!!!!!!!!!!!...powerfully displayed!

Special thanks to Michael Smith 4BC, for allowing me to play my small part by airing my protest song.

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/rudd-the-song/20091109-i4w6.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6UyYVBNqbs

[deags]

Awesome song man! I'm a bit of a country music listener myself. I came across this on youtube the other day.

It's to nice to know there are still patriots out there be it on the radio or in the parliament.