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« on: December 01, 2009, 03:59:50 AM »

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Commentary by Alice Schroeder

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- “I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,” said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.

I called Goldman Sachs spokesman Lucas van Praag to ask whether it’s true that Goldman partners feel they need handguns to protect themselves from the angry proletariat. He didn’t call me back. The New York Police Department has told me that “as a preliminary matter” it believes some of the bankers I inquired about do have pistol permits. The NYPD also said it will be a while before it can name names.

While we wait, Goldman has wrapped itself in the flag of Warren Buffett, with whom it will jointly donate $500 million, part of an effort to burnish its image -- and gain new Goldman clients. Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein also reversed himself after having previously called Goldman’s greed “God’s work” and apologized earlier this month for having participated in things that were “clearly wrong.”

Has it really come to this? Imagine what emotions must be billowing through the halls of Goldman Sachs to provoke the firm into an apology. Talk that Goldman bankers might have armed themselves in self-defense would sound ludicrous, were it not so apt a metaphor for the way that the most successful people on Wall Street have become a target for public rage.

Pistol Ready

Common sense tells you a handgun is probably not even all that useful. Suppose an intruder sneaks past the doorman or jumps the security fence at night. By the time you pull the pistol out of your wife’s jewelry safe, find the ammunition, and load your weapon, Fifi the Pomeranian has already been taken hostage and the gun won’t do you any good. As for carrying a loaded pistol when you venture outside, dream on. Concealed gun permits are almost impossible for ordinary citizens to obtain in New York or nearby states.

In other words, a little humility and contrition are probably the better route.

Until a couple of weeks ago, that was obvious to everyone but Goldman, a firm famous for both prescience and arrogance. In a display of both, Blankfein began to raise his personal- security threat level early in the financial crisis. He keeps a summer home near the Hamptons, where unrestricted public access would put him at risk if the angry mobs rose up and marched to the East End of Long Island.

To the Barricades

He tried to buy a house elsewhere without attracting attention as the financial crisis unfolded in 2007, a move that was foiled by the New York Post. Then, Blankfein got permission from the local authorities to install a security gate at his house two months before Bear Stearns Cos. collapsed.

This is the kind of foresight that Goldman Sachs is justly famous for. Blankfein somehow anticipated the persecution complex his fellow bankers would soon suffer. Surely, though, this man who can afford to surround himself with a private army of security guards isn’t sleeping with the key to a gun safe under his pillow. The thought is just too bizarre to be true.

So maybe other senior people at Goldman Sachs have gone out and bought guns, and they know something. But what?

Henry Paulson, U.S. Treasury secretary during the bailout and a former Goldman Sachs CEO, let it slip during testimony to Congress last summer when he explained why it was so critical to bail out Goldman Sachs, and -- oh yes -- the other banks. People “were unhappy with the big discrepancies in wealth, but they at least believed in the system and in some form of market-driven capitalism. But if we had a complete meltdown, it could lead to people questioning the basis of the system.”

Torn Curtain

There you have it. The bailout was meant to keep the curtain drawn on the way the rich make money, not from the free market, but from the lack of one. Goldman Sachs blew its cover when the firm’s revenue from trading reached a record $27 billion in the first nine months of this year, and a public that was writhing in financial agony caught on that the profits earned on taxpayer capital were going to pay employee bonuses.

This slip-up let the other bailed-out banks happily hand off public blame to Goldman, which is unpopular among its peers because it always seems to win at everyone’s expense.

Plenty of Wall Streeters worry about the big discrepancies in wealth, and think the rise of a financial industry-led plutocracy is unjust. That doesn’t mean any of them plan to move into a double-wide mobile home as a show of solidarity with the little people, though.

Cool Hand Lloyd

No, talk of Goldman and guns plays right into the way Wall- Streeters like to think of themselves. Even those who were bailed out believe they are tough, macho Clint Eastwoods of the financial frontier, protecting the fistful of dollars in one hand with the Glock in the other. The last thing they want is to be so reasonably paid that the peasants have no interest in lynching them.

And if the proles really do appear brandishing pitchforks at the doors of Park Avenue and the gates of Round Hill Road, you can be sure that the Goldman guys and their families will be holed up in their safe rooms with their firearms. If nothing else, that pistol permit might go part way toward explaining why they won’t be standing outside with the rest of the crowd, broke and humiliated, saying, “Damn, I was on the wrong side of a trade with Goldman again.”

(Alice Schroeder, author of “The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life” and a former managing director at Morgan Stanley, is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 01:13:05 PM »

Claim: Goldman bankers arming selves to kill people who question their fulfillment of "God's Work"
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By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, December 1st, 2009 -- 1:12 pm
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Bankers like to think of themselves as 'Clint Eastwood' types: reporter

Senior executives at Goldman Sachs are so afraid that they could be the targets of a "populist uprising" against banks that they have taken to arming themselves, says an unconfirmed report at Bloomberg News.

Citing only an unnamed "friend" at the New York-based investment bank, columnist Alice Schroeder alleged that "senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank."

"They're concerned about social unrest, they're concerned about the fact that we've got a country where a quarter of the kids are on food stamps and they've become a symbol of greed," Schroeder said in an interview at Bloomberg TV.

Schroeder, a former insurance analyst known for her biography of billionaire investor Warren Buffett, reported that the New York Police Department responded "preliminarily" to a freedom-of-information request by saying the names of some Goldman executives appear on the list of people licensed to carry firearms.
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"I don't think this should lead people to think that there are a bunch of pin-striped bankers hunkered down with Uzis, protecting themselves from the populace," Schroeder said, adding that the trend among Goldman bankers started before the controversy over Goldman's huge bonuses exploded earlier this year.

Schroeder says she was half-joking when she wrote in her column that "this is the kind of foresight that Goldman Sachs is justly famous for. [Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd] Blankfein somehow anticipated the persecution complex his fellow bankers would soon suffer."

Schroeder also suggested that Goldman employees may well want to cultivate this sort of image, as gun-toting tough guys:

Talk of Goldman and guns plays right into the way Wall- Streeters like to think of themselves. Even those who were bailed out believe they are tough, macho Clint Eastwoods of the financial frontier, protecting the fistful of dollars in one hand with the Glock in the other. The last thing they want is to be so reasonably paid that the peasants have no interest in lynching them.

Dan Carter at Air America speculates that the alleged Goldman gun rush may be a sign that the company is preparing for another round of controversial bonuses:

It seems patently obvious: Goldman is preparing to unload another monstrous round of bonuses. Instead of scaling back on their multi-million dollar end-of-the-year wads of cash in an effort to quell a bit of the outrage, Wall St. executives are challenging the public to pry their bonuses from their cold dead hands. The cowboys of finance have taken that title literally and are preparing--no daring--any would-be vigilantes to make a move.

"It’s never good when anyone buys guns, particularly not rich weenies with persecution complexes," Matt Taibbi half-jokes on his True/Slant blog. Taibbi is credited with focusing the public's anger over the bank bailout at Goldman Sachs with his Rolling Stone article "Inside the Great American Bubble Machine," which alleges that Goldman played a pivotal role in every asset bubble that has plagued the US economy over the past 80 years.

Taibbi sees some humor in Goldman employees' alleged gun frenzy.

"There’s even the impossible-to-resist image of a future accidental shooting of some innocent hot dog vendor on Park Avenue, followed by the inevitable P.R. response from Goldman in which the bank claims that the only thing its employees are guilty of is 'being really good at shooting people,'" Taibbi quips.

If the Bloomberg report is accurate, it would hardly mark the first time that America has seen armed bankers. "Before bank insurance, before the FDIC, a bank's vault cash was its sole source of funds to cover its customers' withdrawals," write Beverly and Curtis Wayne in the ABA Banking Journal:

[In the 19th century] at the National Iron Bank in Falls Village, Conn., tellers were held accountable for the funds they handled. The bank took pains to help them protect those funds; bank robbers were mostly deterred by the elaborate bronze teller cages.

Upon completion of his teller's course, each National Iron Bank teller was issued a Colt .44 revolver. Confronted by a robber, the teller was trained to reach forward into a specially made recess, grab the .44, and deter the robber.

Watch Schroeder's interview at Bloomberg TV here.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 02:16:26 PM »

I sent Alice Schroeder an email and I asked her to investigate Infragard.....

Who wants to bet these Goldman Banksters are part of Infragard???
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 02:36:19 PM »

Goldman Squirms.

Wouldn't it be fun to follow them around and make them totally paranoid.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 03:35:31 PM »

Goldman Squirms.

Wouldn't it be fun to follow them around and make them totally paranoid.

you really think that they are not paranoid?

They are busy getting WMD's!

Hey CIA/FBI...GOLDMAN SACHS IS AQUIRING WEAPONS!!!!!!

They were just financial terrorists, now they are verifiable armed to the teeth on American soil terrorists!!!!

And we gave them $Billions in taxpayer bailouts to arm themselves against the people of the US!

What exactly is the FBI/NSA/CIA's job anyway?

Lockheed Martin..."we never forget who we work for"

WELL WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 03:49:16 PM »

you really think that they are not paranoid?

They are busy getting WMD's!

Hey CIA/FBI...GOLDMAN SACHS IS AQUIRING WEAPONS!!!!!!

They were just financial terrorists, now they are verifiable armed to the teeth on American soil terrorists!!!!

And we gave them $Billions in taxpayer bailouts to arm themselves against the people of the US!

What exactly is the FBI/NSA/CIA's job anyway?

Lockheed Martin..."we never forget who we work for"

WELL WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?

Oh, I think they're paranoid, but I don't think they're totally paranoid yet.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 04:03:25 PM »

Oh, I think they're paranoid, but I don't think they're totally paranoid yet.

here is how we know when they are totally paranoid...


WHEN THEY START TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE WORLD BANKSTERS!!!
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 07:46:53 PM »

Goldman bankers arming selves for fear of ‘populist uprising’

By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, December 1st, 2009 -- 1:12 pm


Bankers like to think of themselves as 'Clint Eastwood' types: reporter

Senior executives at Goldman Sachs are so afraid that they could be the targets of a "populist uprising" against banks that they have taken to arming themselves, says an unconfirmed report at Bloomberg News.

Citing only an unnamed "friend" at the New York-based investment bank, columnist Alice Schroeder alleged that "senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank."

"They're concerned about social unrest, they're concerned about the fact that we've got a country where a quarter of the kids are on food stamps and they've become a symbol of greed," Schroeder said in an interview at Bloomberg TV.

Schroeder, a former insurance analyst known for her biography of billionaire investor Warren Buffett, reported that the New York Police Department responded "preliminarily" to a freedom-of-information request by saying the names of some Goldman executives appear on the list of people licensed to carry firearms.

"I don't think this should lead people to think that there are a bunch of pin-striped bankers hunkered down with Uzis, protecting themselves from the populace," Schroeder said, adding that the trend among Goldman bankers started before the controversy over Goldman's huge bonuses exploded earlier this year.

Schroeder says she was half-joking when she wrote in her column that "this is the kind of foresight that Goldman Sachs is justly famous for. [Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd] Blankfein somehow anticipated the persecution complex his fellow bankers would soon suffer."

Schroeder also suggested that Goldman employees may well want to cultivate this sort of image, as gun-toting tough guys:

Talk of Goldman and guns plays right into the way Wall- Streeters like to think of themselves. Even those who were bailed out believe they are tough, macho Clint Eastwoods of the financial frontier, protecting the fistful of dollars in one hand with the Glock in the other. The last thing they want is to be so reasonably paid that the peasants have no interest in lynching them.

Dan Carter at Air America speculates that the alleged Goldman gun rush may be a sign that the company is preparing for another round of controversial bonuses:

It seems patently obvious: Goldman is preparing to unload another monstrous round of bonuses. Instead of scaling back on their multi-million dollar end-of-the-year wads of cash in an effort to quell a bit of the outrage, Wall St. executives are challenging the public to pry their bonuses from their cold dead hands. The cowboys of finance have taken that title literally and are preparing--no daring--any would-be vigilantes to make a move.

"It’s never good when anyone buys guns, particularly not rich weenies with persecution complexes," Matt Taibbi half-jokes on his True/Slant blog. Taibbi is credited with focusing the public's anger over the bank bailout at Goldman Sachs with his Rolling Stone article "Inside the Great American Bubble Machine," which alleges that Goldman played a pivotal role in every asset bubble that has plagued the US economy over the past 80 years.

Taibbi sees some humor in Goldman employees' alleged gun frenzy.

"There’s even the impossible-to-resist image of a future accidental shooting of some innocent hot dog vendor on Park Avenue, followed by the inevitable P.R. response from Goldman in which the bank claims that the only thing its employees are guilty of is 'being really good at shooting people,'" Taibbi quips.

If the Bloomberg report is accurate, it would hardly mark the first time that America has seen armed bankers. "Before bank insurance, before the FDIC, a bank's vault cash was its sole source of funds to cover its customers' withdrawals," write Beverly and Curtis Wayne in the ABA Banking Journal:

[In the 19th century] at the National Iron Bank in Falls Village, Conn., tellers were held accountable for the funds they handled. The bank took pains to help them protect those funds; bank robbers were mostly deterred by the elaborate bronze teller cages.

Upon completion of his teller's course, each National Iron Bank teller was issued a Colt .44 revolver. Confronted by a robber, the teller was trained to reach forward into a specially made recess, grab the .44, and deter the robber.

http://rawstory.com/2009/12/claim-goldman-bankers-arming-fear-populist-uprising/
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 11:56:37 AM »

We have them out numbered and out gunned so I would not worry.

Your .357 vs my SOCOM M1A.  Who is going to win this one?  Some scared yuppie that just bought his first gun a few months ago?  Or some guy like me who was born with a gun in hand?

I would not worry about the bankers capping you.  This is just a feel good measure for the rats and cockroaches now that we are shining the lights on them.  They are running scared.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 01:23:09 PM »

Goldman Bonus Season: Gird Your Loins
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By Heather Horn on December 03, 2009 12:53pm
Populist bullseye Goldman Sachs is meeting with shareholders to head off backlash over end-of-year bonuses--"a first" for the company. That's not the only anti-outrage measure the company is taking heading into the holidays: winter festivities are being curtailed sharply, and according to a recent Bloomberg report, some employees are even buying guns. CEO Lloyd Blankfein's apology for the bank's role in the financial crisis and pledge of $500 million to help small businesses, apparently, did little to defuse the situation. The image of bankers packing heat as they brace for bonus backlash begs the question: is the Goldman mess getting so hot that bankers pre-emptively fear pitchforks?

    * Has It Really Come to This? Alice Schroeder's Bloomberg piece started the discussion. She wonders "what emotions must be billowing through the halls of Goldman Sachs to provoke the firm into an apology." She also writes that "talk that Goldman bankers might have armed themselves in self-defense would sound ludicrous, were it not so apt a metaphor for the way that the most successful people on Wall Street have become a target for public rage." She seems to think populist rage justified, though. Examining a statement from Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, she decides it's clear that "the bailout was meant to keep the curtain drawn on the way the rich make money, not from the free market, but from the lack of one."

    * Guns Won't Work "I'm afraid," writes Peter Cohan at Daily Finance, "the guns won't protect these Goldman partners." His suggestion, instead: Goldman should "pay reparations for its role in securitizing sub-prime mortgages ... maybe it could deposit five years of bonuses in a fund to help people who have been displaced due to foreclosure."

    * Newbies With Bullets and No Self-Awareness Former Goldman Sachs employee Yves Smith says that, from her experience around avid hunters in her youth, she "[gets] nervous when people who have little or no history of using firearms start toting them. There are rules most people who use guns routinely are taught, and my experience is that those individuals are far more careful than newbies who have seen way more movie and TV gunplay than real world use." She, like Schroeder, isn't cutting the bank any slack:

    Goldman ran afoul of one of Machiavell's big rules: "Men sooner forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony." Or its 21st century variant: "You can take from all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot take from all the people all of the time." But the banksters, and Goldman in particular, have been determined to push the limits of those formulas, and are learning, much to their surprise, that they neglected to consider the intensity of the backlash that might result from their considerable success in extracting rents from the populace.

    * This Story Is Baloney Janet Tavakoli thinks Schroeder sensationalizes the situation a bit too much: having previously worked for a man whose father was shot dead by an investor after the 1987 crash, Tavakoli insists that "Bloomberg has the ability to uncover facts that may help us get monetary justice not of the violent variety." But this gun business is "gassy gossip" with little research behind its unverifiable claims.

    * 'I'm with Goldman'--This Is Too Much Marla Singer at Zero Hedge likewise scoffs at the piece, deriding Schroeder's apparent ignorance of handguns as well as the subtext of the story. She's ready to put the kibosh on the Goldman bashing:

    Apparently, we are expected to take the fact that some unspecified number of Goldman employees have applied for handgun permits as some sort of harbinger of an impending coup d'état by Goldman employees, or perhaps merely some sign of their close personal and financial connections to the antichrist ... On this point I have to say, just personally, as a long time, avid and law abiding handgun owner, and carrier, I'm with Goldman on this one. Moreover, I'm ready to make that call that, yes, when we heap abuse and threats on them and then finally chastise them for preparing to defend themselves in response to a public threat so pervasive and obvious that we would gloat at them after the fact for not "seeing it coming" should something actually happen, it seems pretty obvious that the Goldman bashing has, finally, gone just a wee bit too far.

A quip from Erick Erickson at RedState rounds out the response: "At least with the nationwide shortage of ammunition Goldman Sachs execs will be able to use taxpayer bailout money to load up their 9 mms with."
The Debate

    * Call to Arms Peter Cohan, Daily Finance
    * Goldman Packing Pistols Yves Smith, Naked Capitalism
    * Bloomberg's B.S. Janet Tavakoli, The Huffington Post
    * Arming Themselves Erick Erickson, RedState
    * Arming Goldman Alice Schroeder, Bloomberg
    * A Little Tired Marla Singer, Zero Hedge

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Goldman-Bonus-Season-Gird-Your-Loins-1787
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