Pilotsfor911truth: "9/11: Pentagon Aircraft Hijack Impossible" [Need to verify]

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FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

[Dok]

simple really, that plane wasnt hijacked.

[chris jones]

We need these guys on the inside to come forward, thats it.

A united effort of inside professionals to raise hell.

I admit to being a cynical type, at times its depressing as hell.

Wheras the MSM are deadbeat soldouts suking up a paycheck, dominated by the masters, a fat chance of getting them to spill their guts, the truth.

However, if each and every truther within our borders hit on these facts, and on each and every proven abomination committed by the regime on a hourly basis day after day to our congress and senate, all hell would break out.

FACTS, UNDENAIBLE TRUTHS, EVIDENCE, SENT TO THESE FREAKS, telephone lines jambed, telegrams by the tons, e- mails constantly, not only would we ground their coms, we would instill fear.

Its been said fight fire with fire, I say fight fear with fear, and this has been their spearhead of the planning.

This would have them Pizzing in the armchairs.

[Dig]

9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

[1] Hijacker Timeline - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17

[2] Common Strategy Prior to 9/11/2001 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

[3] Right click and save target as here to download csv file with "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter.

[Dig]

we need 3rd party confirmation.

[Flynn]

www.whatreallyhappened.com is down right now, it is one of the first results searching for this story.

[kushfiend]

This is an interesting find, but the real smoking gun of 9/11 simply HAS to be building 7.

Building 7 because of how it collapsed and the SEC files that were destroyed in the building.

[chris jones]

Hi Grizz.

Yes, B7 is an obvious deception, OK, but what would be a niceshit to the power is formulating evidence, one paging it, backed with proffessionals, insiders, etc. and Flood the pols with this info.

Keep their Coms jammed with info. Be it W7, the Pentagaon, the WMD's and deception, the vaccines, WHATEVER.

We have all backed bills proposed, sme have show results, but as far as i know we have not assaulted the POLS with the evidence, and we have it by the reams.

Conspirary theorists my arse, we are truthers, we have enough facts, irresputable , documented, and backed, lets give the fkers a shot of fear..

THE ONE AND ONLY WEAPON THE SOLDOUTS TRULY FEAR IS TRUTH.

Isn't it time we let the bags of shiiite in office aware we know what the FK is going on. Nothing illegal about is there, no deceptions involved, we don't play their game.

There are some terrific minds on board this site that could do a write up on whatever issue is factual, we could then copy the reports,& all of us hit the pols with them.

Think about it, 24 hours a day of truth in their face, on each and every documented deception they have dumped on this nation.
Phone lines rattling, e mails by the thousands, telegrams, letters.
The Pols have taken their step into the mindset they are above us, lets make them keenly aware they are not.

We have been bringing the truth to the people, good on us, lets go a step further and bury the POLS with it.

[Scootle]

I'd be a bit wary of pilotsfortruth and any data relating to Flight 77 ... from studying pretty much every piece of raw data out there regarding that flight it seems to me that the government is putting out delibrately fraudulent and contradictory data... not to cover any thing up, but to muddy the waters and promote disinformation.

Pilotsfortruth's last piece of data from an "independent researcher" was the so-called NTSB animation, which depicts the plane approaching from a different angle than the raw NTSB data file that the animation is supposedly based on. Now as it turns out, the raw altitude readings in the NTSB data file also appears to be fraudulent... but they still conflict with the official story. So why would the government manipulate data so that it contradicts the official story? They're doing it to promote disinformation.

Let's not forget there were two phone calls from that flight, neither were from cellphones (so the impossible altitude argument is invalid). One of which was Barbara Olsen's call that the FBI has worked very hard to deny ever took place because she implied the pilot was still conscious. And the other call was from Renee May to her parents. Both calls mentioned hijackers.

I think the plane probably was hijacked, but the "hijackers" were probably agents believing they were taking part in a live-fly hijack drill. Then as they attempted to carry out their order and safely land the plane somewhere, Ptech kicked in and the plane was remotely flown into the Pentagon.

[Dig]

I'd be a bit wary of pilotsfortruth and any data relating to Flight 77 ... from studying pretty much every piece of raw data out there regarding that flight it seems to me that the government is putting out delibrately fraudulent and contradictory data... not to cover any thing up, but to muddy the waters and promote disinformation.

Pilotsfortruth's last piece of data from an "independent researcher" was the so-called NTSB animation, which depicts the plane approaching from a different angle than the raw NTSB data file that the animation is supposedly based on. Now as it turns out, the raw altitude readings in the NTSB data file also appears to be fraudulent... but they still conflict with the official story. So why would the government manipulate data so that it contradicts the official story? They're doing it to promote disinformation.

100% AGREED!

Moving it to the Pentagon sub-board until 3rd party verification from a reputable source can be attained.

Thanks

Let's not forget there were two phone calls from that flight, neither were from cellphones (so the impossible altitude argument is invalid). One of which was Barbara Olsen's call that the FBI has worked very hard to deny ever took place because she implied the pilot was still conscious. And the other call was from Renee May to her parents. Both calls mentioned hijackers.

I think the plane probably was hijacked, but the "hijackers" were probably agents believing they were taking part in a live-fly hijack drill. Then as they attempted to carry out their order and safely land the plane somewhere, Ptech kicked in and the plane was remotely flown into the Pentagon.

Also these items would need verification that only a proper investigation with subpeana powers would uncover. Something never done in over 8 years.

[Mike Philbin]

Wow!

So, we're ACTUALLY SAYING that www.pilotsfor911truth.org is a(n infiltrated?) FBI CIA MI6 MOSSAD disinfo operation?  I wonder if all the members of that organisation know what they've joined.

[Scootle]

Wow!

So, we're ACTUALLY SAYING that www.pilotsfor911truth.org is a(n infiltrated?) FBI CIA MI6 MOSSAD disinfo operation?  I wonder if all the members of that organisation know what they've joined.

No but they have been caught numerous times spreading misinformation at the very least.

[EvadingGrid]

My best guess is we need the data cited in that article to confirm it for ourselves.

Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia

[jimd3100]

This started with a JREF poster named WSTUTT.......

"I now have version 1.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder available on my web site along with new output files.

I have added several new parameters.

I have adjusted the acceleration parameters so that they match the NTSB CSV files exactly rather than having a maximum difference of 1 in the last decimal place.

My program produces different values than the NTSB CSV files for the EICAS COMPUTER,FWD ACCESS DR,MAIN CARGO DOOR,TCAS FAILURE and
TCAS SYSTEM STATUS parameters. I don't know why this is. I used the data frame layouts I received from the NTSB to decode them.

You can read further notes on the parameters here."
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5260113

His website with the info, that this stuff started on.....
http://warrenstutt.com/NTSBFOIARequest2-1-09/index.html

So P4T decide to plug something out of the numbers to convince you no hijacking took place. That's their job, to convince you a passenger Jet didn't hit the pentagon, they are out to "prove the official story wrong". Frankly I'm more interested in exposing the truth, if the official story is wrong  the truth it will reveal itself.

From my research experiance I am convinced that P4T have no interest in the truth but rather selling videos mugs t-shirts and promoting themselves and their agenda, is what they are about so I don't find this worth spending allot of time on but if others feel differently fine, I have spent enough time on this to decide if there is anything to get excited about, I don't find it compelling and here's why.....

It's been said that this FDR has 42 hours worth of recording and the entire 42 hours show the door closed. If that is true, then common sense would tell me that it is unlikely the door would be closed for the entire flight of 12 flights in a row. But I did not confirm this myself. If others want to go ahead, but for the last several years I wasted enough time dealing with bogus claims from p4t. I have confirmed that the recorders capture at least  25 hours of recording time......

"A Minimum of the last 25 hours of operational data is retained on the recording medium." page 3/36
http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

You should know that the 757 boeing airliner comes in different models....

There are several variants of the 757. The 757-200 was the original, launched in 1979 with introduction into service in 1983. The 757-300 was launched in 1996 with introduction into service in 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757

Notice that the data generated in this controversy is found in a txt file called 757-3b_1.txt......

The data frame layout (757-3b_1.txt) is available here[/u].
http://www.warrenstutt.com/NTSBFOIARequest2-1-09/index.html

That would mean a boeing 757 -300 (757-3B)

But AA flight 77 was a boeing 757-200 model.......

Aircraft type Boeing 757-223
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

My assumption is therein lies where the error might be. In any case if the door reads closed for the entire flight and the 12 flights prior it would seem obvious that it is not accurrate and a waste of time. If someone else wants to confirm how long this door was recorded as closed or open go ahead and share the info with us, if I have the time I'll do it myself but frankly I've already wasted enough of my time on p4t claims.

This poster on 9/11 blogger seems to be on the same page as me and I assume looked further into it as he states that....

"It is clear that AA77 that was a B757-2 and this type of aircraft did not record the status of the FLT DECK DOOR and all of the updates per FAA requirements did not change this parameter."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21980?page=2

Anyone want to confirm or deny that a B757-2 (which is what flight 77 was) records the status of the FLT Deck Door?

[muggl3z]

Apparently the cockpit door was NEVER opened!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405

[jimd3100]

Apparently the cockpit door was NEVER opened!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405

"For anyone interested, here is a csv file with the entire 42 hours for the FLT DECK DOOR parameter. It is sampled once every 4 seconds. I could sure use some help finding that one OPEN value. I can't seem to find it.

FLT DECK DOOR - 42 hours worth

I don't know why I did not do it earlier. I guess I just enjoyed listening to the P4T boys squirm."
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg40

42 hours is a long time to go without any pilot taking a bathroom break, or having a snack. Looks like more P4T garbage 2 me.

[Scootle]

I am now fully convinced this is a disinformation campaign.

[wembley87]

What about all those leaked emails about 9/11 , did they help you out at all scoots ? EDIT - or is this what you are talking about ?

[Mike Philbin]

42 HOURS IS FINE, if the plane's on some runway in the desert somewhere, or at the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN.

[jannerbob]

This started with a JREF poster named WSTUTT.......

"I now have version 1.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder available on my web site along with new output files.

I have added several new parameters.

I have adjusted the acceleration parameters so that they match the NTSB CSV files exactly rather than having a maximum difference of 1 in the last decimal place.

My program produces different values than the NTSB CSV files for the EICAS COMPUTER,FWD ACCESS DR,MAIN CARGO DOOR,TCAS FAILURE and
TCAS SYSTEM STATUS parameters. I don't know why this is. I used the data frame layouts I received from the NTSB to decode them.

You can read further notes on the parameters here."
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5260113

His website with the info, that this stuff started on.....
http://warrenstutt.com/NTSBFOIARequest2-1-09/index.html

So P4T decide to plug something out of the numbers to convince you no hijacking took place. That's their job, to convince you a passenger Jet didn't hit the pentagon, they are out to "prove the official story wrong". Frankly I'm more interested in exposing the truth, if the official story is wrong  the truth it will reveal itself.

From my research experiance I am convinced that P4T have no interest in the truth but rather selling videos mugs t-shirts and promoting themselves and their agenda, is what they are about so I don't find this worth spending allot of time on but if others feel differently fine, I have spent enough time on this to decide if there is anything to get excited about, I don't find it compelling and here's why.....

It's been said that this FDR has 42 hours worth of recording and the entire 42 hours show the door closed. If that is true, then common sense would tell me that it is unlikely the door would be closed for the entire flight of 12 flights in a row. But I did not confirm this myself. If others want to go ahead, but for the last several years I wasted enough time dealing with bogus claims from p4t. I have confirmed that the recorders capture at least  25 hours of recording time......

"A Minimum of the last 25 hours of operational data is retained on the recording medium." page 3/36
http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

You should know that the 757 boeing airliner comes in different models....

There are several variants of the 757. The 757-200 was the original, launched in 1979 with introduction into service in 1983. The 757-300 was launched in 1996 with introduction into service in 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757

Notice that the data generated in this controversy is found in a txt file called 757-3b_1.txt......

The data frame layout (757-3b_1.txt) is available here[/u].
http://www.warrenstutt.com/NTSBFOIARequest2-1-09/index.html

That would mean a boeing 757 -300 (757-3B)

But AA flight 77 was a boeing 757-200 model.......

Aircraft type Boeing 757-223
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

My assumption is therein lies where the error might be. In any case if the door reads closed for the entire flight and the 12 flights prior it would seem obvious that it is not accurrate and a waste of time. If someone else wants to confirm how long this door was recorded as closed or open go ahead and share the info with us, if I have the time I'll do it myself but frankly I've already wasted enough of my time on p4t claims.

This poster on 9/11 blogger seems to be on the same page as me and I assume looked further into it as he states that....

"It is clear that AA77 that was a B757-2 and this type of aircraft did not record the status of the FLT DECK DOOR and all of the updates per FAA requirements did not change this parameter."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21980?page=2

Anyone want to confirm or deny that a B757-2 (which is what flight 77 was) records the status of the FLT Deck Door?

That would mean a boeing 757 -300 (757-3B)

But AA flight 77 was a boeing 757-200 model.......

757-3b is not an aircraft number it is the data frame layout number.Even your own post proves this but you are too blind to even see what is in front of your nose.

The data frame layout (757-3b_1.txt) is available here[/u].

Now where does it say 757-3b is an aircraft number?.No it clearly says it is a data frame number.The 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 had the data layout number 757-3b.The documentation proves this and therefore the door closed data parameter was functioning.

I came back,just this once,just to get your take on the issue and true to form,it is YOU! who is spreading disinformation.No wonder I left this forum.

[jimd3100]

757-3b is not an aircraft number it is the data frame layout number.Even your own post proves this but you are too blind to even see what is in front of your nose.

I can see just fine and never said it was an aircraft number. You're making things up.

Now where does it say 757-3b is an aircraft number?.No it clearly says it is a data frame number.The 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 had the data layout number 757-3b.The documentation proves this and therefore the door closed data parameter was functioning.

It was functioning huh ? It's the name of a txt file as I said in my post. And as I said in my post....

My assumption is therein lies where the error might be. In any case if the door reads closed for the entire flight and the 12 flights prior it would seem obvious that it is not accurrate and a waste of time.

I came back,just this once,just to get your take on the issue and true to form,it is YOU! who is spreading disinformation.No wonder I left this forum.

42 HOURS IS FINE, if the plane's on some runway in the desert somewhere, or at the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN.

The aircraft doesn't record data when not in operation......so jannerbob you keep believing in your flyovers and aircraft where the pilots never ever leave the cockpit eat, or poop or pee, some of us know that is BS and ignoring all the other evidence and eyewitnesses is BS too like these people......

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7094731948913014445&q=pentagon+witness&total=167&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTRsuRao7A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBmgsjC6Nc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H8CinIWltY&feature=PlayList&p=6FA2A860385F97EC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VuMHaZGuA&feature=PlayList&p=6FA2A860385F97EC&index=2&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXq6H2kCtEU&feature=PlayList&p=6FA2A860385F97EC&index=3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURJBJ6tnC4&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE25srBooWM&feature=related

Go ahead and pretend they don't matter and your looney buddies who think they were all fooled are being thwarted by my evil disinfo campaighn.

[Mike Philbin]

I think you're ANGRY AT THE WRONG PEOPLE Jim.



We should all fight together to KILL THE NEW WORLD ORDER. If that means OUTING the PF911Truth as a COVERT CIA OPERATION, let's do it. I haven't heard you or sane or scootle do that yet.

Let's just do it, let's announce it "PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH IS A CIA FRONT, IT'S DISINFO AND THEY'RE INFILTRATED", and move on or shut the f**k up with all this mamby pamby are they aren't they speculation and inferred disinfo back and forth like a game of shuttlecock*

Mike
*pussy

[jimd3100]

I think you're ANGRY AT THE WRONG PEOPLE Jim.

I think you presume to much. Here is an example of someone that I would consider "angry at the wrong people"....

   
Jim,your evidence to prove Craig Ranke to be a disinfo agent is almost comical,this will be my last post on this forum as i no longer wish to be associated with the joke you have become and the joke this forum now is.
JANNERBOB SIGNING OUT.

Whatever happened to that guy? But true to his word he never posted again. Did he? LOL

We should all fight together to KILL THE NEW WORLD ORDER. If that means OUTING the PF911Truth as a COVERT CIA OPERATION, let's do it. I haven't heard you or sane or scootle do that yet.

Why would I out P4T as a "Covert CIA Operation" when I've never made that claim? Scootle can speak for himself,  And SANE has already said this in regards to the "partners" of P4T...CIT...

aw shit, I'll jump in.  What does it matter what their agenda is? It is obvious that they turn on witnesses and are highly selective as to what evidence they present. IMO their methods debunk them more than anything else.

Like I said, you presume to much. Self promoting BS artists and Covert CIA Operators are not the same thing are they?

Let's just do it, let's announce it "PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH IS A CIA FRONT, IT'S DISINFO AND THEY'RE INFILTRATED", and move on or shut the f**k up with all this mamby pamby are they aren't they speculation and inferred disinfo back and forth like a game of shuttlecock*

Sure we could do that if we adopt CIT and P4T ways, meaning we could declare it to be a fact when it's nothing more than a belief. It's not a belief of mine so it really wouldn't make much sense would it?....pretty much like the crap they spew out.....thanks for the advice, but I don't feel the need to adopt their "investigative" techniques.

[Mike Philbin]

You know, you're right. So, where are we? We got a 9-11 TRUTH team spewing DISINFO about 9-11 and the data received from supposed official releases.

That's about as much DISINFO as if they were paid employees of CIA.

There's no joking about with this shit, is there Jim?  Anybody who FUDGES data are as much corporate criminals as Xi/Blackwater or the CRU email cvnts. If PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH are a bunch of disinfo junkies, we should PUBLICLY OUT THEM or take their research for what it is.  Again, I have no argument with METHOD when the data are good.

If the data are bogus, f**k THEM HARD for sending good warriors up the wrong pass.



Mike

Self promoting BS artists and Covert CIA Operators are not the same thing are they?

[jimd3100]

We got a 9-11 TRUTH team spewing DISINFO about 9-11 and the data received from supposed official releases.

That's about as much DISINFO as if they were paid employees of CIA.
Anybody who FUDGES data are as much corporate criminals as Xi/Blackwater or the CRU email cvnts. If PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH are a bunch of disinfo junkies, we should PUBLICLY OUT THEM or take their research for what it is.

I came back,just this once,just to get your take on the issue and true to form,it is YOU! who is spreading disinformation.No wonder I left this forum.

Who is spreading disInfo?

Self promoting BS artists indeed CIT and P4T 2 peas in a pod.
 
The "leader" of P4T R Balsamo (posting as someone other than himself and finally fesses up.....)

Looks like a long standing member of P4T (Tino) has jumped ship due to this latest PR BS put out....

Congrats GL's, Im Rob Balsamo.... Tino knows this and has known since day 1.
Why did i do it? Because i been banned from this forum.

Those who never registered a sock in their entire life, please cast the first stone.

over 150,000 hits in less than 5 days. Over 70+ new applicants to join P4T, but still have to be verified since GL;s love to play games and fill out fraudulent names to our join form (yeah, we have lots of resources to deal with kids playing games, not). We received about 20 orders in DVD's total due to increased traffic of this article.

Tino has filed Chapter 11 cause he cannot manage his finances or play well with others (mainly his partner at his former shop). He now lives with his wife in his parents basement. I live back in Knoxville in my own place.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53

LOL! He has his own place! Isn't that great? He sold some DVDs! LOL! And that's what this is really about.

Now let's say, just for fun......that you are an organization that does nothing but focus on the pentagon and what happened there on 9/11 and lets say you call yourself P4T or CIT. If a book over 500 pages long that is about the pentagon and what happened there on 9/11, came out where the authors interviewed over 150 people, including rescue workers who went inside and cleaned up the mess, wouldn't you be at least a little interested in reading it? I mean after all you are out to find the "truth" right? How could you not want to know what's in the book, and what these authors discovered?

Combing public records and conducting 150 interviews, Creed and Newman have done a monumental reporting job. Firefight tells the tale moment by moment through the accounts of dozens of participants and eye-witnesses.
http://www.amazon.com/Firefight-Inside-Battle-Save-Pentagon/dp/0891419055

So someone asked them about it........


Having read from various sources a little bit of the description of the recent 'Firefight' book I wondered if it had been read and considered by anyone involved with Pilots For Truth. The book is apparently a detailed account of the experiences of firefighters to the Pentagon incident. I haven't read it myself, but short excerpts from the book seem to document bodies of passengers, luggage, plane parts etc, which obviously is potentially contradictory to a flyover theory.

How does the content of the book fit in with Pilots For Truth's campaign? Will information from the book be incorporated into future PfT material?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Seems like a reasonable question.

What kind of response does he get?

What is your stance on what happened at the Pentagon, Alex? --Aldo CIT

LOL! No he's not interested in reading a silly book,...in other words.... are you with us or against us? LOL!

It amounts to nothing but propaganda.  --Ranke CIT

LOL.....said the guy who never read it either and isn't interested.

 Do we have to buy the book? Or do they give it out for free as we do all our presentations... Are they making money off 9/11? Do we have to buy "truth"? --Balsamo P4T

LOL! Said the guy who just bragged about selling 20 DVDs due to his latest BS publicity stunt. Guess going to a public library would be to much trouble.

QUOTE (Alex_V @ Jul 26 2008, 09:59 PM)
Interesting responses. Nobody claims to have read the book, or seems to indicate that they want to. This seems to me a crying shame, particularly given it directly tackles a key incident in PilotsForTruth's campaign. Maybe it would be worth getting a copy?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Yea, that seems reasonable. These folks don't give a damn about the truth.

Do we have to buy the book? Or do they give it out for free as we do all our presentations... Are they making money off 9/11? Do we have to buy "truth"?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Balsamo reminds everyone again that he doesn't know what a library is.

Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"? Why do you evade this question when your cohorts vilify us for the same, when infact we do make our information available for free? Answer the question or we will show you the door, troll.  -- Balsamo
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

If you repeat with more strawmans without source, we will show you the door. If you evade one single question in this post, we will show you the door. You have proven yourself to be a troll with nothing but strawman tactics. Highly typical.  -Balsamo
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"?

We received about 20 orders in DVD's total due to increased traffic of this article.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53
I live back in Knoxville in my own place.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53
Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots
LOL

Jannerbob   this post is for you. Learn the difference between a "truther" and a Bulls**ter. Christmas is coming up I'm sure if you have a dog he'd love a pilotsfor911truth doggie bowl, it's a bargain at  $24.99
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots.304813288

On 9/11 planes flew into buildings stop falling for the no plane at the pentagon BS.

[Flynn]

[Mike Philbin]

You know, I've never been, nor do I ever intend to go to this f**king Jref forum or whereever it is that you guys all hang out when you're not here. But I tell you what, that last stab about no-planes has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD.

Are the PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH AND C.I.T. A CIA OPERATION?

If not, we should take their testimony to a court of LAW and see if it holds up, we'll soon see if they're spreading BULLSHIT because 9-11's a afunny f**king issue to piss about with. Seriously, we should shut the f**k up about some petty in-fighting crap. By judging the deliverers of evidence this way, you're breaking the jurisdictional code. Sorry for having to say this again and again.

Mike

On 9/11 planes flew into buildings stop falling for the no plane at the pentagon BS.

[Scootle]

They're perpertrating a scam to make money and sell doggy bowls with their logo attached to it ... They are also making 9/11 researchers look crazy... does it matter if they are a CIA disinfo op or not? The point is we should distance ourselves from them.

Of course let's not forget that Craig Ranke of CIT has an interesting employer who undoubtedly pays him to promote his bullshit.

No, what is shamefull is how you (and others) continue to fall for and promote insane and destructive DISINFO while name calling those who are exposing it.

So let's take a look at this article shall we?

"Researchers present new eyewitness testimony which they say proves the government's story to be a “monstrous lie”....

Sounds like the author of this article thinks Ranke and his retarded partner did some good work.....

"They have compiled the most pertinent testimony into an 81 minute video presentation entitled National Security Alert, which has earned the respect and praise of a growing number of distinguished academics, journalists, writers, entertainers, pilots, and military personnel."

The author also goes on to name those "authority figures" in the 9/11 movement who endorse this disinfo embarrassing nonsense, so we can all be swept into the same BS pile by association....

"It was primarily conducted by two men named Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis, also known as Citizen Investigation Team, or CIT."

I guess Ranke and Partner getting some good press huh?

"When these eyewitness accounts are aggregated, they paint a very disturbing picture, say the researchers."

I guess the author agrees with Ranke.

“If you are skeptical of (or even incensed by) this statement we do not blame you,” reads a note on the front page of their website, CitizenInvestigationTeam.com."

"Their" website...LOL!  What a scam. How about the author say, "MY" Website? Are you people who are making fools of yourselves falling for this crap even aware that the author of this piece is Ranke himself? This is DisINfo.

It came from here...
By Craig Ranke
http://www.opednews.com/articles/INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATION-by-Craig-Ranke-090825-917.html

Infowars, which BTW was just sloppy and/or lazy, IMO, by putting this on it's website, if you check, got the story from....

http://www.news-n-views.com/asp/articlenews.asp?place=0659587&issue_date=8/30/2009&edent=2167894&art_id=2560

This domain is owned and was created just recently by Melissa Data Corp, as can be seen here....

Registrant:
Melissa Data Corp

22382 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, California 92688
United States

Domain Name: NEWS-N-VIEWS.COM
Created on: 16-Jun-09
Expires on: 16-Jun-10
Last Updated on: 25-Jun-09

Administrative Contact:
Melissa, Ray johnm@Melissadata.com
Melissa Data Corp
22382 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, California 92688
United States
(888) 800-5478
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=news-n-views.com&prog_id=godaddy

Guess who Ranke and his partner work for? Yup, Melissa DATA Corp in Rancho Santa Margarita Ca

Recently this truther found out exactly who Ranke and his partner really work for. And guess who that is?......

Melissa DATA Corp
22382 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688-2112
http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2009/08/company-vistor-melissa-data.html


So Ranke has an employer, who evidently pays him to waste company time trying to pin 9/11 on cab drivers and priests, while making the truth movement look insane insisting the plane flew over the pentagon and everything was planted, and then they create a fake news website to promote an article that was written by Ranke himself. And you keep falling for it. How embarrassing.

[grapecrusher1]

Who is spreading disInfo?

Self promoting BS artists indeed CIT and P4T 2 peas in a pod.
 
The "leader" of P4T R Balsamo (posting as someone other than himself and finally fesses up.....)

Looks like a long standing member of P4T (Tino) has jumped ship due to this latest PR BS put out....

Congrats GL's, Im Rob Balsamo.... Tino knows this and has known since day 1.
Why did i do it? Because i been banned from this forum.

Those who never registered a sock in their entire life, please cast the first stone.

over 150,000 hits in less than 5 days. Over 70+ new applicants to join P4T, but still have to be verified since GL;s love to play games and fill out fraudulent names to our join form (yeah, we have lots of resources to deal with kids playing games, not). We received about 20 orders in DVD's total due to increased traffic of this article.

Tino has filed Chapter 11 cause he cannot manage his finances or play well with others (mainly his partner at his former shop). He now lives with his wife in his parents basement. I live back in Knoxville in my own place.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53

LOL! He has his own place! Isn't that great? He sold some DVDs! LOL! And that's what this is really about.

Now let's say, just for fun......that you are an organization that does nothing but focus on the pentagon and what happened there on 9/11 and lets say you call yourself P4T or CIT. If a book over 500 pages long that is about the pentagon and what happened there on 9/11, came out where the authors interviewed over 150 people, including rescue workers who went inside and cleaned up the mess, wouldn't you be at least a little interested in reading it? I mean after all you are out to find the "truth" right? How could you not want to know what's in the book, and what these authors discovered?

Combing public records and conducting 150 interviews, Creed and Newman have done a monumental reporting job. Firefight tells the tale moment by moment through the accounts of dozens of participants and eye-witnesses.
http://www.amazon.com/Firefight-Inside-Battle-Save-Pentagon/dp/0891419055

So someone asked them about it........


Having read from various sources a little bit of the description of the recent 'Firefight' book I wondered if it had been read and considered by anyone involved with Pilots For Truth. The book is apparently a detailed account of the experiences of firefighters to the Pentagon incident. I haven't read it myself, but short excerpts from the book seem to document bodies of passengers, luggage, plane parts etc, which obviously is potentially contradictory to a flyover theory.

How does the content of the book fit in with Pilots For Truth's campaign? Will information from the book be incorporated into future PfT material?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Seems like a reasonable question.

What kind of response does he get?

What is your stance on what happened at the Pentagon, Alex? --Aldo CIT

LOL! No he's not interested in reading a silly book,...in other words.... are you with us or against us? LOL!

It amounts to nothing but propaganda.  --Ranke CIT

LOL.....said the guy who never read it either and isn't interested.

 Do we have to buy the book? Or do they give it out for free as we do all our presentations... Are they making money off 9/11? Do we have to buy "truth"? --Balsamo P4T

LOL! Said the guy who just bragged about selling 20 DVDs due to his latest BS publicity stunt. Guess going to a public library would be to much trouble.

QUOTE (Alex_V @ Jul 26 2008, 09:59 PM)
Interesting responses. Nobody claims to have read the book, or seems to indicate that they want to. This seems to me a crying shame, particularly given it directly tackles a key incident in PilotsForTruth's campaign. Maybe it would be worth getting a copy?
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Yea, that seems reasonable. These folks don't give a damn about the truth.

Do we have to buy the book? Or do they give it out for free as we do all our presentations... Are they making money off 9/11? Do we have to buy "truth"?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Balsamo reminds everyone again that he doesn't know what a library is.

Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"? Why do you evade this question when your cohorts vilify us for the same, when infact we do make our information available for free? Answer the question or we will show you the door, troll.  -- Balsamo
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

If you repeat with more strawmans without source, we will show you the door. If you evade one single question in this post, we will show you the door. You have proven yourself to be a troll with nothing but strawman tactics. Highly typical.  -Balsamo
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"?

We received about 20 orders in DVD's total due to increased traffic of this article.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53
I live back in Knoxville in my own place.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg53
Again i ask, is the book available for free? Or do we have to buy "truth"?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13950&st=0

http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots
LOL

Jannerbob   this post is for you. Learn the difference between a "truther" and a Bulls**ter. Christmas is coming up I'm sure if you have a dog he'd love a pilotsfor911truth doggie bowl, it's a bargain at  $24.99
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots.304813288

On 9/11 planes flew into buildings stop falling for the no plane at the pentagon BS.

Besides being somewhat humorous (dog bowl lol) I think the "they are making money" point is weak and superfluous.  When you have such a scathing appraisal of their actions and behaviour why bother mentioning something that has no bearing?   Reminds me of some of the Silverstein red herring arguments that are always raised that lose far more people than they convince.