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Discuss!  ...OK, for the record, this is an idea expressed by Lord Monckton on the Alex Jones Show; he said there should be a world-wide anti-globalist movement, called the "Freedom Party".
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 04:56:53 PM » |
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Freedom party international
founded 27/11/09 or 11/27/09
objective, to fcuk all over Socialist Internationals plan for a NWO
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 05:04:54 PM » |
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Freedom Party an international organisation
(Founded 27/11/09 or 11/27/09)
Objective : lawfull rebellion against the Globalist Elite plan for a New World Order
The Freedom Party is notable for its disbelief in right versus left politics, measuring politics on a freedom versus liberty perspective.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 05:07:53 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2009, 05:11:25 PM » |
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I love it!
As long as there are no mandatory seatbelt laws.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 05:24:46 PM » |
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Patriot party
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2009, 05:29:49 PM » |
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we need a website...
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 05:46:45 PM » |
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I don't think the majority of people are aware of all the legislation in both the US and UK which is slowly eroding their freedoms. Consequently it would be a good idea to make people aware of these new laws by having a section on the website devoted just to this.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 05:56:41 PM » |
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I don't think the majority of people are aware of all the legislation in both the US and UK which is slowly eroding their freedoms. Consequently it would be a good idea to make people aware of these new laws by having a section on the website devoted just to this.
I think that applies not just the US and UK, but to every country in the world. (in my opinion) Just like We are Change, they can not kill an idea. An idea that is universialy understood across the globe, throughout all cultures, that sweet flame of liberty. It was only the other day that i observed some one from Iran signing up for the forum, another regular poster lives in Vietnam.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2009, 08:33:37 AM » |
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methods of non violent resistance
THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUASION FORMAL STATEMENTS 1. Public speeches 2. Letters of opposition or support 3. Declarations by organizations and institutions 4. Signed public declarations 5. Declarations of indictment and intention 6. Group or mass petitions
COMMUNICATIONS WITH A WIDER AUDIENCE 7. Slogans, caricatures, and symbols 8. Banners, posters, and displayed communications 9. Leaflets, pamphlets, and books 10. Newspapers and journals 11. Records, radio, and television 12. Skywriting and earthwriting
GROUP REPRESENTATIONS 13. Deputations 14. Mock awards 15. Group lobbying 16. Picketing 17. Mock elections
SYMBOLIC PUBLIC ACTS 18. Displays of flags and symbolic colours 19. Wearing of symbols 20. Prayer and worship 21. Delivering symbolic objects 22. Protest disrobings 23. Destruction of own property 24. Symbolic lights 25. Displays of portraits 26. Paint as protest 27. New signs and names 28. Symbolic sounds 29. Symbolic reclamations 30. Rude gestures
PRESSURES ON INDIVIDUALS 31. "Haunting" officials 32. Taunting officials 33. Fraternization 34. Vigils
DRAMA AND MUSIC 35. Humourous skits and pranks 36. Performances of plays and music 37. Singing
PROCESSIONS 38. Marches 39. Parades 40. Religious processions 41. Pilgrimages 42. Motorcades
HONOURING THE DEAD 43. Political mourning 44. Mock funerals 45. Demonstrative funerals 46. Homage at burial places
PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES 47. Assemblies of protest or support 48. Protest meetings 49. Camouflaged meetings of protest 50. Teach-ins
WITHDRAWAL AND RENUNCIATION 51. Walk-outs 52. Silence 53. Renouncing honours 54. Turning one's back
THE METHODS OF SOCIAL NONCOOPERATION
OSTRACISM OF PERSONS 55. Social boycott 56. Selective social boycott 57. Lysistratic nonaction 58. Excommunication 59. Interdict
NONCOOPERATION WITH SOCIAL EVENTS, CUSTOMS, AND INSTITUTIONS 60. Suspension of social and sports activities 61. Boycott of social affairs 62. Student strike 63. Social disobedience 64. Withdrawal from social institutions
WITHDRAWAL FROM THE SOCIAL SYSTEM 65. Stay-at-home 66. Total personal noncooperation 67. "Flight" of workers 68. Sanctuary 69. Collective disappearance 70. Protest emigration (hijrat)
THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: ECONOMIC BOYCOTTS
ACTION BY CONSUMERS 71. Consumers' boycott 72. Nonconsumption of boycotted goods 73. Policy of austerity 74. Rent withholding 75. Refusal to rent 76. National consumers' boycott 77. International consumers' boycott
ACTION BY WORKERS AND PRODUCERS 78. Workers' boycott 79. Producers' boycott
ACTION BY MIDDLEMEN 80. Suppliers' and handlers' boycott
ACTION BY OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT 81. Traders' boycott 82. Refusal to let or sell property 83. Lockout 84. Refusal of industrial assistance 85. Merchants' "general strike"
ACTION BY HOLDERS OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES 86. Withdrawal of bank deposits 87. Refusal to pay fees, dues, and assessments 88. Refusal to pay debts or interest 89. Severance of funds and credit 90. Revenue refusal 91. Refusal of a government's money
ACTION BY GOVERNMENTS 92. Domestic embargo 93. Blacklisting of traders 94. International sellers' embargo 95. International buyers' embargo 96. International trade embargo
THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOOPERATION: THE STRIKE
SYMBOLIC STRIKES 97. Protest strike 98. Quickie walkout (lightning strike)
AGRICULTURAL STRIKES 99. Peasant strike 100. Farm workers' strike
STRIKES BY SPECIAL GROUPS 101. Refusal of impressed labour 102. Prisoners' strike 103. Craft strike 104. Professional strike
ORDINARY INDUSTRIAL STRIKES 105. Establishment strike 106. Industry strike 107. Sympathy strike
RESTRICTED STRIKES 108. Detailed strike 109. Bumper strike 110. Slowdown strike 111. Working-to-rule strike 112. Reporting "sick" (sick-in) 113. Strike by resignation 114. Limited strike 115. Selective strike
MULTI-INDUSTRY STRIKES 116. Generalised strike 117. General strike
COMBINATION OF STRIKES AND ECONOMIC CLOSURES 118. Hartal 119. Economic shutdown
THE METHODS OF POLITICAL NONCOOPERATION
REJECTION OF AUTHORITY 120. Withholding or withdrawal of allegiance 121. Refusal of public support 122. Literature and speeches advocating resistance
CITIZENS' NONCOOPERATION WITH GOVERNMENT 123. Boycott of legislative bodies 124. Boycott of elections 125. Boycott of government employment and positions 126. Boycott of government departments, agencies, and other bodies 127. Withdrawal from governmental educational institutions 128. Boycott of government-supported institutions 129. Refusal of assistance to enforcement agents 130. Removal of own signs and placemarks 131. Refusal to accept appointed officials 132. Refusal to dissolve existing institutions
CITIZENS' ALTERNATIVES TO OBEDIENCE 133. Reluctant and slow compliance 134. Nonobedience in absence of direct supervision 135. Popular nonobedience 136. Disguised disobedience 137. Refusal of an assemblage or meeting to disperse 138. Sitdown 139. Noncooperation with conscription and deportation 140. Hiding, escape, and false identities 141. Civil disobedience of "illegitimate" laws
ACTION BY GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL 142. Selective refusal of assistance by government aides 143. Blocking of lines of command and information 144. Stalling and obstruction 145. General administrative noncooperation 146. Judicial noncooperation 147. Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents 148. Mutiny
DOMESTIC GOVERNMENTAL ACTION 149. Quasi-legal evasions and delays 150. Noncooperation by constituent governmental units
INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTAL ACTION 151. Changes in diplomatic and other representation 152. Delay and cancellation of diplomatic events 153. Withholding of diplomatic recognition 154. Severance of diplomatic relations 155. Withdrawal from international organisations 156. Refusal of membership in international bodies 157. Expulsion from international organisations
THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT INTERVENTION
PSYCHOLOGICAL INTERVENTION 158. Self-exposure to the elements 159. The fast a) Fast of moral pressure b) Hunger strike c) Satyagrahic fast 160. Reverse trial 161. Nonviolent harassment
PHYSICAL INTERVENTION 162. Sit-in 163. Stand-in 164. Ride-in 165. Wade-in 166. Mill-in 167. Pray-in 168. Nonviolent raids 169. Nonviolent air raids 170. Nonviolent invasion 171. Nonviolent interjection 172. Nonviolent obstruction 173. Nonviolent occupation
SOCIAL INTERVENTION 174. Establishing new social patterns 175. Overloading of facilities 176. Stall-in 177. Speak-in 178. Guerrilla theatre 179. Alternative social institutions 180. Alternative communication system
ECONOMIC INTERVENTION 181. Reverse strike 182. Stay-in strike 183. Nonviolent land seizure 184. Defiance of blockades 185. Politically motivated counterfeiting 186. Preclusive purchasing 187. Seizure of assets 188. Dumping 189. Selective patronage 190. Alternative markets 191. Alternative transportation systems 192. Alternative economic institutions
POLITICAL INTERVENTION 193. Overloading of administrative systems 194. Disclosing identities of secret agents 195. Seeking imprisonment 196. Civil disobedience of "neutral" laws 197. Work-on without collaboration 198. Dual sovereignty and parallel government
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2009, 09:08:25 AM » |
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"Freedom Party" sounds a bit too corny, like something Bush would start up. I prefer a new "Conservative" or "Libertarian" party. I don't like the idea of the Tea Party becoming an official party - just because I hate the term "tea bagger" lol.
Why not do it old school and bring back the Whig party? That would be a hoot.
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Freedom party is exactly what it is, so I am all for the name. George Bush would coin something like this because he would know it would work well enough to even camouflage lies and deceits. It will work doubly well without the deceiption.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 09:21:36 AM » |
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"Freedom Party" sounds a bit too corny, like something Bush would start up. I prefer a new "Conservative" or "Libertarian" party. I don't like the idea of the Tea Party becoming an official party - just because I hate the term "tea bagger" lol.
Why not do it old school and bring back the Whig party? That would be a hoot.
The Freedom Party is notable for its disbelief in right versus left politics, measuring politics on a freedom versus liberty perspective.Words like conservative and even libertarian simply slip backwards into the false left versus right struggle. The Freedom Party is about changing from the Axis of Being Controlled to an Axis measuring Tyranny to Liberty. It is also most importantly a Global Solution, a Global Resistance to the Elite Globalist Plan. The Matrix of Control to stop any real parties emerging is to engage the colour coded Red Team versus Blue Team. They often run a Yellow Party as the fake 3rd Choice, keeping it un-electable as Fake Controlled Opposition.
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SATIRE!! http://www.maybelogic.com/gunsanddopeparty/http://www.rawilson.com/thoughts.htmlGuns & Dope Party GUNS AND DOPE PARTY POSITION PAPER #23 Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said, "Son, you know eating all that candy isn't good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat." Little Tony replied, "My grandfather lived to be 107 years old." The man asked, "Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?" Little Tony answered, "No, he minded his own f**king business."  House of the Rising Collapse Warning: All email may now be read by law enforcement agencies, as NONE is PRIVATE since the passage of the USA/Patriot Act. Remember the Miranda warnings: You do not have to send email. Anything you email may be used against you in a military tribunal. You have the right to have an attorney present while composing email. If you cannot afford a full-time attorney, you're f**ked. Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. -- George Washington
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 09:30:01 AM » |
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The Liberty Party, sounds way better. Freedom reminds me of "Freedom Fries" or some other ridiculous neo-con concoctions.
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be careful: FREEDOM PARTY (as it was 'sold' on the Monckton interview) sounds a lot like Free Market Capitalism, and we know how bad that went. Remember, Monckton is a staunch Conservative (UK-style) and he's all for giving humanity enough rope to hang itself. For me, and I sorta apologise to the PROFIT-minded who're gonna flipout into a ruccus over this: FREEDOM PARTY and NEW WORLD ORDER both sound like the LEFT-RIGHT PROFIT PARADIGM. They'll still (both) demand that people work in shit jobs for shit money so that shitheads can piss all over them in the name of Corporate Schemes of Mass Control. I know it says it's a Freedom Party (what else would it be called). I know it's a Freedom Movement, on a global scale (oh, we're herding cats now). But it's still global control with PROSPERITY as a guiding force/lure/mechanism for subjugation. The Freedom Party has NOTHING TO DO WITH A FREE PLANET, upon which we all live in case you'all have forgotten. We just need to find a way to reclaim it for our selves, our friends, our family and our SIX BILLION NEIGHBOURS. I'm sure you're all of the opinion that this FREEDOM PARTY is a great idea and good luck to you all, but I think a mote of caution in a tornado of opportunity is called for. As always, I'll bow to wiser men/women on this subject but this needs bringing up. As you were.  Mike
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be careful: FREEDOM PARTY (as it was 'sold' on the Monckton interview) sounds a lot like Free Market Capitalism, and we know how bad that went.
No we dont. Remember, Monckton is a staunch Conservative (UK-style) and he's all for giving humanity enough rope to hang itself.
Thats just like your opinion man.  For me, and I sorta apologise to the PROFIT-minded who're gonna flipout into a ruccus over this: FREEDOM PARTY and NEW WORLD ORDER both sound like the LEFT-RIGHT PROFIT PARADIGM. They'll still (both) demand that people work in shit jobs for shit money so that shitheads can piss all over them in the name of Corporate Schemes of Mass Control. At least you have a choice in that scenario, choice is not guaranteed when you start a big govt group douche. I know it says it's a Freedom Party (what else would it be called). I know it's a Freedom Movement, on a global scale (oh, we're herding cats now). But it's still global control with PROSPERITY as a guiding force/lure/mechanism for subjugation.
God forbid individuals have an opportunity to flourish
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Eugh ... I didn't say, "Start a Big Government Group Douche." at least I didn't intend to. B.G.G.D. sounds like some sort of venereal disease. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2009, 10:03:15 AM » |
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Freedom Party an international organisation
(Founded 27/11/09 or 11/27/09)
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Eugh ... I didn't say, "Start a Big Government Group Douche." at least I didn't intend to. B.G.G.D. sounds like some sort of venereal disease.  I know capitalism has its short comings, but still the best approach i have seen. More for all.
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2009, 10:10:41 AM » |
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this comment above all others gets my utmost respect.  Thats just like your opinion man. 
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this comment above all others gets my utmost respect.  The dude abides, man 
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In reality Mike there has not been free markets. What we have had and suffered from is managed trade - central planning. When one takes an objective look at GATT, the WTO (World Trade Organization), NAFTA, CAFTA, the United Nations Monetary & Financial Conference aka Bretton Woods system, the IMF, plus International Bank for Reconstruction & Development, International Development Assc., International Fianance Corp., Multilateral Investment Garauntee Agency, International Centre for Investment Disputes, these 5 that make of the World Bank Group. Add in the Bank of International Settlements that is the top-tier authority over the central banks of the respective nations which our Federal Reserve is a member and a subject. What you find is a global system of central planning and control managing corporatism. Benito Mussolini described corporatism best: "Corporatism is Fascism." Fascsim is not Free Enterprise. People are no longer taught or discuss the Free Enterprise System much less that capital investment (hard currency/wealth) is just a part of the Free Enterprise System aka the American System. Our words as discriptives have become orwellian misnomers: Peace is War, Prosperity is Debt, etc. So when you rail against a Free Economic System in truth you are railing against unfree economics of the globalist central planners the Global Fascist & Banksters. be careful: FREEDOM PARTY (as it was 'sold' on the Monckton interview) sounds a lot like Free Market Capitalism, and we know how bad that went. Remember, Monckton is a staunch Conservative (UK-style) and he's all for giving humanity enough rope to hang itself. For me, and I sorta apologise to the PROFIT-minded who're gonna flipout into a ruccus over this: FREEDOM PARTY and NEW WORLD ORDER both sound like the LEFT-RIGHT PROFIT PARADIGM. They'll still (both) demand that people work in shit jobs for shit money so that shitheads can piss all over them in the name of Corporate Schemes of Mass Control. I know it says it's a Freedom Party (what else would it be called). I know it's a Freedom Movement, on a global scale (oh, we're herding cats now). But it's still global control with PROSPERITY as a guiding force/lure/mechanism for subjugation. The Freedom Party has NOTHING TO DO WITH A FREE PLANET, upon which we all live in case you'all have forgotten. We just need to find a way to reclaim it for our selves, our friends, our family and our SIX BILLION NEIGHBOURS. I'm sure you're all of the opinion that this FREEDOM PARTY is a great idea and good luck to you all, but I think a mote of caution in a tornado of opportunity is called for. As always, I'll bow to wiser men/women on this subject but this needs bringing up. As you were.  Mike
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I realise we've not had REAL CAPITALISM (we've had DEBTISM as USA has been bankrupt since 30's?) but any PROFIT-based market will surely tend to subterfuge and collapse. Anyway, I realise you're all gonna support an affluence economy - as you believe is your inalienable right - I just don't think THE LESSON has been learned, that's all. What lesson? 
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Mike Philbin: FREE PLANET will come in itself. You'll recognize the wave when you see it. To try for it, this way, before it's time is folly. Start small. If we manage to create a world wide freedom party, it might be the foothold for a greater change. Perhaps the members will realize we are all of us one big family, or they won't, but at least the globalists who are doing a bad job with the Earth now will be challenged.
As for the signs of the coming "mental revolution," there will be people who will spontaneously create communities of sharing, states within states if you will. No locked doors, there won't be a need, and those people will be active, yet the result will lead towards a greater stability. When this comes, time will come to push idealism. Now we must still continue pushing pragmatism, at least partially, because most people are still in the old thought paradigm for which the idea of FREE PLANET is alien.
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cheers Michal, I realise this might be a step-too-many for the vast majority of Prison Planet Forumorum'rs. And I was having this discussion with My Better Half just this morning about 'why dissidents and terrorists are MADE by Government Activity and why we Don't Need Prisons' I mean, right now, we're all stuck in the MINE MINE MINE of contemporary financial thought, and that's fine, it's sorta like the ground that feels solid until EARTHQUAKE happens, it's sorta like the sky feels safe until HURRICANES or METEORS come to visit. Modern man has been educated on a SAFE WORLD basis, where everything has a foundation upon which a series of arbitrary financial laws can be leveraged. Capitalism always works, until it breaks. And none of us wanna see 'all those criminals' released into 'our society' ... that would NEVER work, that's why they're called CRIMINALS. One wonders if we should put a 3-year consumable tab on all our great capitalist ideals. But I'm getting beyond myself and my ravings are outside the original remit of this thread. If there are people on this planet who feel that there's another alternative to the PROFIT-based paradigm, I'll leave it at that. If not, then it's a concept for future discussion - if we have a future. 
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Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death; 2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual; 3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted; 4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden; 5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers; 6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people; 7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2009, 11:11:31 AM » |
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see above
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2009, 11:12:08 AM » |
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Volitzar: We are talking about a global effort, not just the constitution party, USA-only. NWO is a problem for all people.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2009, 11:13:37 AM » |
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In 2008 Chuck Baldwin would have easily ratified Ron Paul's HR 2755 to Abolish the FED.
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We -are-change seems to be hitting the nail on the head !!!!
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Constitution Party International Wink Yes, but that is not a good name, obviously; though I am all for a global constitution, I believe most of you are not.
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2009, 11:24:27 AM » |
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Constitution Party International  ROFLActually we have to think long and hard how to get people from every country in the world on board. All people understand the concept of Liberty and Freedom. However, the concept of focus on the individual is strictly western throught only - in the east it is the rights of the community that come first. Either way, the idea is to build something that all the people of the planet can agree upon based upon the notion of Liberty. A solution based solely around the american constitution is doomed to fail. Please try thinking about how some one in Tehran, Vietnam, Russia, Uganda or China might feel. Everyone should have the right to live in peace and freedom, and we have to remember that other people around the world have different perspectives and values.
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Mike Philbin
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2009, 11:27:26 AM » |
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yes, Constitution Party International would be a good start.
but this means we'll need a GLOBAL Constitution writing up, despite the many cultural/ethical sets - what's the basis for this agreement among six billion people with very differing belief structures/programming?
Mike
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2009, 11:34:50 AM » |
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The fact that 912 is being led by a Glenn Beck is enough reason to reject it. The man is not trustworthy! Constitution Party is another story, if it's leaders are trustworthy and not fake leaders again! (Ex: I do not trust Bob Barr in any 3rd party, but I might trust Chuck Baldwin because he seems to be on the right side of the issues.)
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jofortruth
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2009, 11:38:10 AM » |
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yes, Constitution Party International would be a good start.
but this means we'll need a GLOBAL Constitution writing up, despite the many cultural/ethical sets - what's the basis for this agreement among six billion people with very differing belief structures/programming?
Mike
I'm against any global constitution because that is exactly what the GLOBAL GOVT dudes want? No way! Did you know they already have several versions of a Constitution through the UN? I think this would be treading on dangerous ground! Ecoscience even calls for a new Constitution. Do you trust John P Holdren? http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=3070On pg 857 in "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment" http://www.scribd.com/doc/18648939/Eco-Science-SevenIt states: The Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions has an ongoing project designing a new Constitution for the United States. It is in its 33rd Draft. Tugwell Constitution? ??
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TonkaTim
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2009, 11:38:44 AM » |
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Yes, but that is not a good name, obviously; though I am all for a global constitution, I believe most of you are not.
I am definately not. I am inherently opposed to all forms of centralized power.
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trailhound
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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2009, 11:39:20 AM » |
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 "Do not let your hatred of a people incite you to aggression." Qur'an 5:2 At the heart of that Western freedom and democracy is the belief that the individual man, the child of God, is the touchstone of value..." -RFK
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