616, The OTHER Number.

[Norval]

616, The OTHER Number.

If it's not in your main text check the foot notes at Rev. 13:18

What is your take on 616, what could 616 represent?

[PullMyFinger]

Rev.13:18  from my KJV:
Here is wisdom.Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:for it is the number of a man:and his number isSix hundred three score and six.That =666.I don't have a footnote section so plase tell me what you mean by 616.
Six hundred three score and six=666.

[Norval]

ever hear of

Google

[PullMyFinger]

Erm, you brought it up and asked for opinions.So I went to the source,found nada and putting the ball back in your court.No need to get snippy. Seriously.Don't bring a subject up if you have nothing to say about it yourself

[Norval]

So, yah gots a cheap ass abridged bible yer reading from, , not my faultr if yah cant type in google, , duhhhhh.

Here let me help the handi capped, , ,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=616

616 (number)
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This article concerns the integer. For the year, see 616.
List of numbers — Integers

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616
Cardinal Six hundred and sixteen
Ordinal 616th
Factorization 
Roman numeral DCXVI
Binary 1001101000
Hexadecimal 268
Base32 J8
Base36 H4
616 ("six hundred and sixteen", or "six hundred sixteen" in American English) is believed by some Christians to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original. [1]

[edit] In mathematics
616 is a member of the Padovan sequence, coming after 265, 351, 465 (it is the sum of the first two of these). 616 is a polygonal number in four different ways: it is a heptagonal number, as well as 13-, 31- and 104-gonal.

It is also the sum of the squares of the factorials of 2,3,4. ie. (2!)^2 + (3!)^2 + (4!)^2 = 4+36+576=616.

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[PullMyFinger]

So, yah gots a cheap ass abridged bible yer reading from, , not my faultr if yah cant type in google, , duhhhhh.

Here let me help the handi capped, , ,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=616

616 (number)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article concerns the integer. For the year, see 616.
List of numbers — Integers

← 0 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 →
 
616
Cardinal Six hundred and sixteen
Ordinal 616th
Factorization 
Roman numeral DCXVI
Binary 1001101000
Hexadecimal 268
Base32 J8
Base36 H4
616 ("six hundred and sixteen", or "six hundred sixteen" in American English) is believed by some Christians to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original. [1]

[edit] In mathematics
616 is a member of the Padovan sequence, coming after 265, 351, 465 (it is the sum of the first two of these). 616 is a polygonal number in four different ways: it is a heptagonal number, as well as 13-, 31- and 104-gonal.

It is also the sum of the squares of the factorials of 2,3,4. ie. (2!)^2 + (3!)^2 + (4!)^2 = 4+36+576=616.

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Look douchebag. It aint a cheap ass abridged, Ask people in here.The King james Verion is the bible you go to.As far as handicapped,yah,I am-cerebral palsey does that.SO F&CKING WHAT?
WOOT.You can do fancy math,well aren't you special-wanna cookie numbnutz?

[Dok]

Norval- Man how come no one takes me seriously??

So, yah gots a cheap ass abridged bible yer reading from, , not my faultr if yah cant type in google, , duhhhhh.

Here let me help the handi capped, , ,

Oh, duh.


 

[Dreadly03]

1.618

[NX]

I am wondering if this thread is for knowledge or if it one's way of propping theirselves above all others with knowledge. But anyway, my opinion on this number is that of it being an esoteric code, it is a mirror image of itself as so...

6
1
6

As above, so below, Heavens and earth, black and white...yadda yadda yadda All that sort of thing.

This is only my initial theory anyway and I would guess this number has a more esoteric and mathematical origin as also the number 666 has rather than a literal one. JMO yo.

turkey...out!

[NX]

1.618

φ is an interesting theory also

[Norval]

PMF (That's Pull My Finger to those that can't figure that one out),
Hey, all I did was cut and past from Google. If you can't even do that when faced with something you know nothing about, or at least have the curiosity to find out about something you know nothing about, before taking part in a discussion on the topic watch and see what develops. No, the KJV is the bible YOU went to. With out foot notes at that. Is it that really neat "red letter" edition? Got your name embossed on the cover too?  

Ah yes Dok, another value added post. Not.  

Dreadly03
1.618 does not make a discussion nor comment.

NX,
Now that was interesting, "So above so below." Stacked on top of one another like that.

This is the part that got my interest from that bit of cut and paste I did.
Roman numeral DCXVI

YES ! ! !Turkey Time ! ! ! !

[PullMyFinger]

Condesending much?

PMF (That's Pull My Finger to those that can't figure that one out),

People here know who I am.resident jester and smartass,pleased(?)to meet ya
Anyway,I didn't copy and paste from google,sometimes I do got to Ixquick(my startpage).I went to the only source I know and trust for such matters.I honestly apologize for the name calling, very unlike me,must be the seizure last night(stilled wiped out).
I do,however,get annoyed when people say"just google t" because I think if you bring the subject up, your take on it first
Hope you have/are having a good thanksgiving.

[Gale]

Above the 49th, we had turkey last month.

I never use Google, I have an aversion to Big Brother.

I find DC = 600 very fascinating.  It works for 616 or even the 666 die-hards.

My NRSV footnote says: Other ancient authorities read six hundred sixteen
As does a few other of my Bible's of different translations.

There was recently, that is within the last 4 years, a big archeological news about the oldest piece of manuscript ever found and then was translated. That piece just happened to include Rev 13:18 and the wording was confirmed to be 616.
And most amazing is there has been nothing written about this correction; no books, no theorists, nothing. Now how amazing is that?

[DarkKnightNomeD]

if its any consolation prize

my #on my address box is  819

[Norval]

Remember that this is an "end times prophesy".
It has to be a world power to make the things happen that are spoken of.
This power has to cause the people to carry that "mark".
Just thinking, , , , ,

[BlueBaron]

The number is 666, I have looked into the 616 thing long time ago.

[Norval]

Well I was hoping that some here would have given 616 some thought by now.
Come up with what they know or figured out.

Here we all are in what many are calling "the end times" as wrote about in the Bible. There is one world power that is the most powerful nation on the planet. Where is this seat of power located?
Washington DC, the District of Columbia.

What is the address of this seat of world power?
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, DC

If this is true, then what would the "mark" be?

[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-616

In the fictional Marvel Comics multiverse, Earth-616 or Earth 616 is the name used to identify the primary continuity in which most Marvel Comics titles take place.

The term was first used in "Rough Justice," a story credited to both Alan Moore and Alan Davis published in July 1983 by Marvel UK in the anthology comic The Daredevils (and was later reprinted in the Captain Britain trade paperback). Saturnyne uses the term to differentiate Brian Braddock, the Captain Britain of the regular Marvel Comics universe, from the other members of the Captain Britain Corps. The designation was later used by the American branch of Marvel Comics in the Excalibur title, which frequently referenced Captain Britain's early UK-published adventures. This comic was written by Chris Claremont, who had created Captain Britain, and by Alan Davis, the artist on the UK-published series.

Alan Moore is usually credited with creating the term (for example by Marvel editor Tom Brevoort[1]). However, Alan Davis has stated that the designation of Earth 616 was actually first made by Dave Thorpe, the previous writer of the UK-published Captain Britain stories.[2]

In addition, a difference of opinion exists regarding the selection of the number 616. In 2005, Alan Moore's son-in-law John Reppion (who is married to Alan Moore's daughter Leah Moore), stated on an Internet message board[3] that the number 616 was arbitrarily chosen by Moore and had no significant meaning, saying it "was just a random number of no significance chosen because people always seemed to be talking about 'earth 2' or 'earth 4' but never any higher numbers." However, Alan Davis has said that it comes from 616, a variation on the Number of the Beast, picked because Dave Thorpe "wasn't a fan of the modern superhero genre" and expressed this in his stories, "such as recording his opinion of the Marvel Universe with the designation 616."

Interesting.  If I had to bet, I'd say Alan Moore came up with "Earth 616".  He's an obvious Luciferian.

[Norval]

, , , , well as we can see many others were and are aware of the other number.

Yet, why is it that so few have wrote about it or even debated about it, let alone discuss it? 

[Norval]

Ahhhhh, in this Red White and Blue flag waving and nationalistic forum no one can figure out the "mark of the world power"?

Demonocracy, , , , , , , 
Oh! did I say that out loud? And, just look at that slip of the tongue!

Well, there you have my take on the Mark of the Beast. It is democracy that the USA, the most powerful nation on earth today, has demanded the whole world accept and follow. Except for a few smaller countries.

As Mark Twain said,
If voting really worked, they wouldn't let us do it.
Or something like that.

[37]

Your analysis requires us to believe the US is the Beast.  How does that tie into either number?

[Dreadly03]

1.618

 

[Norval]

If you had read the posts you would have seen this,
Roman numeral DCXVI
This gives us the DC part of it, the seat of the most powerful nation on earth today.
The 16 gives the address of the white house. (Now 1600)
The "mark" would be democracy. If yer not a member of the good old boys club of democratic nations you are "sanctioned" against and can't sell, nor buy on the worlds markets.

[37]

If you had read the posts you would have seen this,
Roman numeral DCXVI
This gives us the DC part of it, the seat of the most powerful nation on earth today.
The 16 gives the address of the white house. (Now 1600)
The "mark" would be democracy. If yer not a member of the good old boys club of democratic nations you are "sanctioned" against and can't sell, nor buy on the worlds markets.

I read the posts...I just find it a little weak.

[Xill]

OMG there is a 11 in my home address... Nooooooooooooo

/ Anyway, kinda weak as a topic.

[s78k37]

Three last digits of the verichip.

[Norval]

Weak?!?!
Please post links to all discussions you have found about 616? 

It sure as hell beats the comic book post. Which has absolutely no relevance to this Bible passage.
Several of the us gov agencies sure took note and "paid" it attention. Your tax dollars at work. 

[37]

Weak?!?!
Please post links to all discussions you have found about 616?  

It sure as hell beats the comic book post. Which has absolutely no relevance to this Bible passage.
Several of the us gov agencies sure took note and "paid" it attention. Your tax dollars at work.  

Oh, I'm sorry, didn't mean to make you cry.  

Your theory works if you ignore the part in Revelations where it says that it's the "number of a man".

That's why your theory sucks.  No links required. 

[Norval]

, , , and every president has that same number.

616

[Gale]

It says it is the number of man as in not the numbering or language of et but man's number language.

Revelation 13:17
 RSV with Apocrypha
     so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the
     name of the beast or the number of its name.
 New RSV
     so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark,
     that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
 King James Version
     And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name
     of the beast, or the number of his name.
 New American Standard Bible
     and he provides that no one should be able to
     buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either
     the name of the beast or the number of his name.
 New King James Version
     and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or
     the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 13:18
RSV with Apocrypha
    This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number
    of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and
    sixty-six.

[Gale]

Therefore, not an individual.

[wtsrllygoinon]

To me the below article seems to scientifically demonstrate the concept of the Christian Trinity.  If you do some research on the Borromean rings, you'll discover that this symbol has indeed been used to depict the religious concept of the Trinity.  My guess is that 616 or 666 is the binding energy of the false godhead. 

This is a very unsettling story to me on many levels.  I just hope they don't find the right combination of particles/energy levels to create a false triune god.

Excerpts of article follow:

Strange Physical Theory Proved After Nearly 40 Years

Efimov had predicted a quantum-mechanical version of Borromean rings, a symbol that first showed up in Afghan Buddhist art from around the second century. The symbol depicts three rings linked together; if any ring were removed, they would all come apart.

A team of physicists led by Randy Hulet of Rice University in Houston finally achieved the trio of particles, and published their findings in the online journal Science Express.

Efimov had calculated that the triplet of bound particles was possible, and that it was repeating: New bound states could be achieved at higher and higher energy levels in an infinite progression. All of the bound states would occur at energy levels that were multiples of 515.

To prove that they had really created the trios, called Efimov trimers, the researchers produced one set of three lithium atoms bound together, and then reproduced it with a binding energy 515 times the first one. (Essentially, binding energy indicates how tightly the particles hold onto one another and how much energy it would take to pull them apart.)

The researchers used a setup called a Feshbach resonance that allowed them to tweak the energy levels of their atoms. They found that when they hit multiples of 515, the particles would bind, but at other energies they wouldn't, proving that the trios really were Efimov trimers.

Full text of original article here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/strangephysicaltheoryprovedafternearly40years;_ylt=AhpSbjbAvJAcpSjhy2tWEV90fNdF

[37]

http://earthsbanner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577
Other Forums; For or Against The Truth

Prison Planet Forum

My opinion is that it is a fully controlled Forum AGAINST THE TRUTH.
A forum you can't search?!?!?
What are they so afraid of?

Moderators? What moderation?! Their prime agents / posters break their rules all the time.

    Too funny...

[Norval]

, , , yeah, we thought so too. 

[37]

We're all really disappointed you guys didn't stick around. 

BTW...what truth is it we are suppressing here? 

Just because we find your crater chain theory laughable?

Or because none of us care if the number of the beast is 616, 666 or 999? 

Is that what makes us truth nazis in your opinion?

[Mister-Ed]

To me the below article seems to scientifically demonstrate the concept of the Christian Trinity.  If you do some research on the Borromean rings, you'll discover that this symbol has indeed been used to depict the religious concept of the Trinity.  My guess is that 616 or 666 is the binding energy of the false godhead. 

This is a very unsettling story to me on many levels.  I just hope they don't find the right combination of particles/energy levels to create a false triune god.

Excerpts of article follow:

Strange Physical Theory Proved After Nearly 40 Years...

That is cool. I like discussions on religious/philosophical/conspiratorial topics, but sometimes I like the "weird sci discoveries" even more. And the fact Revelation has all sorts of crytpic associations you can draw from it shouldn't diminish from the overall spirit of the text--cataclysm, diseases and the overall eschatology. Such a document can be about more than one thing at the same time.