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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2009, 10:23:36 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2009, 10:27:34 AM »

Hadley CRU hacked with release of hundreds of docs and emails
http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d19-Hadley-CRU-hacked-with-release-of-hundreds-of-docs-and-emails
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Essex County Conservative ExaminerTerry Hurlbut

The University of East Anglia's Hadley Climatic Research Centre appears to have suffered a security breach earlier today, when an unknown hacker apparently downloaded 1079 e-mails and 72 documents of various types and published them to an anonymous FTP server. These files appear to contain highly sensitive information that, if genuine, could prove extremely embarrassing to the authors of the e-mails involved. Those authors include some of the most celebrated names among proponents of the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

The FTP link first appeared on a blog called The Air Vent. The blog's owner, identified as "Jeff Id", downloaded the file, examined it, and posted a brief summary on his blog. Another commenter, identified as "Steven Mosher," passed the information on to Steven McIntyre's Climate Audit blog and to another blog, The Blackboard, run by a blogger identified as "Lucia." Most recently, blogger Anthony Watts, who runs a blog titled "Watts Up With That?" mentioned the FTP archive in his own blog.

Commentary on all the blogs involved has been brisk, except, oddly enough, at The Air Vent, where only seven comments have been received.

The FTP server is in a Russian domain and uses the anonymous FTP protocol, which does not require a pre-registered user account or password for downloading. The file is named FOI2009.zip, an apparent reference to US Public Law 89-554, 80 Stat. 383, the Freedom of Information Act.

Several commentators have expressed skepticism as to the authenticity of the archive, pointing to its lack of clear provenance and suggesting that someone was attempting to embarrass, either directly or indirectly, the dignitaries attending the upcoming climate-change conference in Copenhagen. Other commentators who have examined the e-mails in the archive conclude that the header and other information that they contain is too detailed to be a hoax. Thus far, no commentator has found anything in the e-mail headers that appears to be mistaken.

Some of the most embarrassing e-mails are attributed to Philip Jones, the Director of the CRU; Keith Briffa, his assistant; Michael E. Mann of the University of Virginia; Malcolm Hughes at the University of Arizona; and others. One such e-mail makes references to the famous "hockey-stick" graph published by Mann in the journal Nature:

I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

The emphasis in the above quote was added.

Mr. Mosher offered this summary of the rest of the e-mails that he had found:

And, you get to see somebody with the name of phil jones say that he would rather destroy the CRU data than release it to McIntyre. And lots lots more. including how to obstruct or evade FOIA requests. and guess who funded the collection of cores at Yamal.. and transferred money into a personal account in Russia[.] And you get to see what they really say behind the curtain.. you get to see how they “shape” the news, how they struggled between telling the truth and making policy makers happy. [Y]ou get to see what they say about Idso and pat micheals, you get to read how they want to take us out into a dark alley, it’s stunning all very stunning. You get to watch somebody named phil jones say that John daly’s death is good news.. or words to that effect. I don’t know that its real.. But the CRU code looks real

John Daly (not to be confused with the professional golfer of the same name) is identified in one of the e-mails as a global-warming skeptic who died in January of 2004.

As embarrassing as the e-mails are, some of the documents are more embarrassing. They include a five-page PDF document titled The Rules of the Game, that appears to be a primer for propagating the AGW message to the average subject/resident of the United Kingdom. The document suggests that it is a precis of a longer document housed at the Web site of the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

Developing...

Update: The Russian FTP server administrator appears to have deleted the archive. The text of the link was: <http://ftp.tomcity.ru/incoming/free/FOI2009.zip>

Activity on The Air Vent has picked up considerably since this story broke.

Further Update: Two other possessors of the file have uploaded it to two other file-sharing services: MegaUpload and FileDropper.

Further Update: A Pirate Bay torrent link is now available.

Also: The "72 documents" refers to 72 files and folders at the top level of a directory called "documents." In fact, reliable counts indicate at least 3485 documents present, not counting the e-mails.
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« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2009, 10:29:28 AM »

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

This website is currently being served from the CRU Emergency Webserver.
Some pages may be out of date.
Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.




http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/leaked-foia-files-62-mb-of-gold/

Leaked FOIA files 62 mb of gold

Posted by Jeff Id on November 19, 2009

This is the biggest news ever broken here. The first thing I have to say is that I have no connection to the source of these files. It was left as a link on my blog while I was hunting for cloaked deers (fruitlessly) in the Upper Penninsula. These files are real IMO but they cannot be one hundred percent verified as such. How can we be certain but IMO, real. They were potentially scraped from multiple computers in my opinion by a hacker or an insider involved in some of the endless FOIA requests.

I’ll say this delicately – this person risked one f..k of a lot to show us this data.


I need some legal advice regarding the files received today. I’ve verified that the data seems to be true, simply due to the volume of it and knowing the issues – currently the link is offline, I took it down the minute I realized what it contained. I need to understand the legal ramifications of making some of the emails public. In the meantime, a summary of the 62 MB of data is – personal email correspondences between some of the major players Santer, Briffa, Mann, Osborne, Wahl. Data and code, the data SteveM and I will enjoy but I can’t load CA now. The code or a version of it for HadCRUT was released also. The tone of the emails is quite interesting Steve McIntyre is the focus of much of them but there are quite a few references to obstruction and making things difficult for the ’skeptics’. There are also budgetary items and grant monies- you wouldn’t believe how much money these boys play with.

There are several comments about scientists wanting to hide their environmentalist views to promote the best results. Also, some about people being happy with the death of skeptics as well as a lot of rubbish about the latest Yamal results at CA.

What I need to know is what are my legal obligations as to posting a link to this file and what is allowed to be shown from it. In the meantime I see Anthony at WUWT who has more experience than me with media has posted several emails, so in this case there is one particular letter which deserves to see the light of day because of it’s amazing nature.

One of the biggest criticisms of skeptics is non-publication. I think we can put an end to that charade here and now. If someone can find me a lawyer to let this loose I’ll add the rest of the names but let’s just say it’s our favorite ends justify the means group.

From: P
To: “M
Subject: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
Date: Thu Jul 8 16:30:16 2004

M,
Only have it in the pdf form. FYI ONLY – don’t pass on. Relevant paras are the last 2 in section 4 on p13. [snip out of kindness] be careful how you use it – if at all. Keep quiet also that you have the pdf. The attachment is a very good paper – I’ve been pushing A over the last weeks to get it submitted to JGR or J. Climate. The main results are great for CRU and also for ERA-40. The basic message is clear – you have to put enough surface and sonde obs into a model to produce Reanalyses. The jumps when the data input change stand out so clearly. NCEP does many odd things also around sea ice and over snow and ice.

The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! [names removed because I'm giving quarter until legal advice arrives]
Cheers
P
M,
[Snipped again out of kindness. This section had to do with personal feelings and friendships regarding a paper which probably didn't tow the line.]

I can send if you want, but it won’t be out as a report for a couple of months.
Cheers
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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2009, 10:33:20 AM »

Quick, Get The Groom Of The Stool!

"[ S ]he has excited domestic insurrections amongst us..."


"I'm melting, I'm melting...."

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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2009, 10:34:43 AM »

Respect to ya deaflagblues, I didn't know you had posted this story here first, not having much luck with Search just now.


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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2009, 10:35:38 AM »

Respect to ya deaflagblues, I didn't know you had posted this story here first, not having much luck with Search just now.




search is disabled because it crashes the server. please use the CIA (i mean google).

thanks
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2009, 10:47:07 AM »

No sweat Sane..

Hey it's now on the BBC!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8370282.stm


Hackers target leading climate research unit

Experts warn that universities' e-mail systems are vulnerable to attacks

The e-mail system of one of the world's leading climate research units has been breached by hackers.

E-mails reportedly from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), including personal exchanges, appeared on the internet on Thursday.

A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and that information was taken and published without permission.

An investigation was underway and the police had been informed, he added.

"We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites," the spokesman stated.

"Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.

"This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation.

"We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry."

Researchers at CRU, one of the world's leading research bodies on natural and human-induced climate change, played a key role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, which is considered to be the most authoritative report of its kind.

'Inside information'

Graham Cluley, a computer security expert, suggested that December's key climate summit in Copenhagen, which has made headlines around the world, could have increased the university's profile as a possible target among hackers.

"There are passionate opinions on both sides of the climate debate and there will be people trying to knock down the other side," Mr Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, told BBC News.

"If they feel that they can gather inside information on what the other side is up to, then they may feel that is ammunition for their counterargument."

Mr Cluley added that universities were vulnerable to attacks by hackers because some many people required access to IT systems.

"You do need proper security in place; you need to be careful regarding communications and make sure your systems are secure.

"I trust that they will now be looking at the systems, and investigating how this happened and ensuring that something like this does not happen again."
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2009, 10:47:38 AM »

yeah, this is a REALLY MASSIVE STORY.

let's see what happens as a result of this...

oh, did anything really happen to the Congressmen/women that Sibel Edmonds OUTed?  I'm asking this because it's becoming more and more apparent that the New World Order have a reputation for riding out any turbulence in their plan like it was unnoteworthy in the smooth, long  flight to TyrannysVille.

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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2009, 10:49:08 AM »

BBC article goes on just about the 'illegal hacking' aspect...


..but ignores the fact the contents are a literal stick of dynamite under Gores big fat butt!!
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2009, 10:49:25 AM »

i am disappointed its not more revealing
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2009, 10:52:12 AM »

i am disappointed its not more revealing

What more do you need? I am cracking open a beer or two over this!

Remember, there's 176MB of data in the zip file of docs that have been leaked.
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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2009, 11:04:32 AM »

i am disappointed its not more revealing

Let me guess, you prefer that Al Gore whispered it in your ear while giving you a private lap dance. Would that be revealing enough for ya?
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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2009, 11:05:32 AM »

i am disappointed its not more revealing

Sorry WHAT?!

This is VERY revealing.
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2009, 11:07:12 AM »

Let's hope Bermas or one of AJ's producers hand him a little slip of paper about the news.
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2009, 11:13:46 AM »

Let's hope Bermas or one of AJ's producers hand him a little slip of paper about the news.

I'm sure Sane will tell him, he has a direct "Bat Phone" into the studio.   Grin
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« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2009, 11:14:23 AM »

I'm sure Sane will tell him, he has a direct "Bat Phone" into the studio.   Grin

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« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2009, 11:22:43 AM »

i am disappointed its not more revealing

I am disappointed more TROLL talking points like yours have not shown up yet on this forum. We keep disinfo artists like you around so that we get a head's up on the latest tactics.

Thanks dude, please let us know what else has been emailed to you to whisper onto unsuspecting forums.

So let us prepare a list:

DISINFO TALKING POINT #1: "i am disappointed its not more revealing"

Can't wait to see #2 Wink
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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2009, 11:23:18 AM »

Its revealing if you didnt already know these people were out to pimp Global Warming.
most scientists are aware this exaggeration goes on. Its justified under 'public needs to be warned about C02 so anything that achieves that is good.'

You'd think ten years of their emails would turn up more revealing stuff. There must be more.
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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2009, 11:24:30 AM »

I'm sure Sane will tell him, he has a direct "Bat Phone" into the studio.   Grin

we only engage in remote viewing communications, and all have been alerted.
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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 11:25:17 AM »

I am disappointed more TROLL talking points like yours have not shown up yet on this forum. We keep disinfo artists like you around so that we get a head's up on the latest tactics.

Thanks dude, please let us know what else has been emailed to you to whisper onto unsuspecting forums.

So let us prepare a list:

DISINFO TALKING POINT #1: "i am disappointed its not more revealing"

Can't wait to see #2 Wink

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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2009, 11:26:28 AM »

Its revealing if you didnt already know these people were out to pimp Global Warming.
most scientists are aware this exaggeration goes on. Its justified under 'public needs to be warned about C02 so anything that achieves that is good.'

You'd think ten years of their emails would turn up more revealing stuff. There must be more.

There is admission of a Globalization agenda in one of the emails, cooked numbers, and a huge conspiracy unravelled. What else do you want to see?
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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2009, 11:27:10 AM »

Its revealing if you didnt already know these people were out to pimp Global Warming.
most scientists are aware this exaggeration goes on. Its justified under 'public needs to be warned about C02 so anything that achieves that is good.'

You'd think ten years of their emails would turn up more revealing stuff. There must be more.

DISINFO TALKING POINT #2: "scientists are aware this exaggeration goes on," nothing to see here, move along.
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« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2009, 11:30:15 AM »

<-- (scratches head, sighs, moves on)

<-- (picks out toe cheese, flicks it on the floor, jams to a remix of "run this town" by chris geo and socio, does the funkey chicken, spikes a nurf football, yealls "gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal", reads more on this awesome revelation)
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« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2009, 11:40:18 AM »

<-- (picks out toe cheese, flicks it on the floor, jams to a remix of "run this town" by chris geo and socio, does the funkey chicken, spikes a nurf football, yealls "gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal", reads more on this awesome revelation)

'toe cheese'?   WTF!?!?!   I'm eating cheesy pasta with my beer, tasted good until now...
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BBC article goes on just about the 'illegal hacking' aspect...

..but ignores the fact the contents are a literal stick of dynamite under Gores big fat butt!!


Those nasty 'hackers' ... They were able to add emails/change emails in order to try to discredit the noble global warming experts!   Time to shut down the internet. 

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« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2009, 11:42:03 AM »

'toe cheese'?   WTF!?!?!   I'm eating cheesy pasta with my beer, tasted good until now...

sorry, unintentional collateral damage.
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« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2009, 12:00:14 PM »

http://www.climatedepot.com/
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Another article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner~y2009m11d20-ClimateGate--Climate-centers-server-hacked-revealing-documents-and-emails?cid=exrss-Climate-Change-Examiner

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« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2009, 12:54:32 PM »

I don't even know what to say about that BBC article. It's beyond words.
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« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2009, 12:59:17 PM »

Could this be one of those Ptech gameplans to assure that CYBER SECURITY is reinforced, real soon?

Again, I'll ask, "Did anything really happen to the Congressmen/women that Sibel Edmonds (so spectacularly) OUTed?  I'm asking this because it's becoming more and more apparent that the New World Order have a reputation for riding out any turbulence in their plan like it was unnoteworthy in the smooth, long flight to TyrannysVille."


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« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2009, 01:07:05 PM »

Could this be one of those Ptech gameplans to assure that CYBER SECURITY is reinforced, real soon?

Again, I'll ask, "Did anything really happen to the Congressmen/women that Sibel Edmonds (so spectacularly) OUTed?  I'm asking this because it's becoming more and more apparent that the New World Order have a reputation for riding out any turbulence in their plan like it was unnoteworthy in the smooth, long flight to TyrannysVille."



this is exactly why they need their cyber security tyranny smart grid, so that elites can continue lying without any fear.

this was not cyber terror, this was the inevitable effect of continuing to rape, steal, and murder from billions of humans.

truth buried will always rise in the end.

If they use this as justification for more draconian cyber policies then the truth will be known by all.  cyber laws are not intended to protect the people, they are intended to hide the truth from the people and to conduct more slavery on the people.
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« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2009, 01:10:47 PM »

you know, Sane, they're that thick they might try it.

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« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2009, 01:20:24 PM »

you know, Sane, they're that thick they might try it.

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Oh i agree they will try, and when they do, the neocons will see that this is not cyberterror threats from al-qaeda but Rothschild/Gore/Strong making sure that global warming lies will go on without any truth available.
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« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2009, 01:41:51 PM »

this is exactly why they need their cyber security tyranny smart grid, so that elites can continue lying without any fear.

Absolutely correct 1000%.
 
this was not cyber terror, this was the inevitable effect of continuing to rape, steal, and murder from billions of humans.

truth buried will always rise in the end.

Yes, and things like this are needed to expose many other aspects of their criminality.  Real information causes permanent, irrevocable damage to them.  This is the magnitude of revelations that can begin to tip the scales in our favor.

If they use this as justification for more draconian cyber policies then the truth will be known by all.  cyber laws are not intended to protect the people, they are intended to hide the truth from the people and to conduct more slavery on the people.

Exactly, hence Jay Rockefeller's "The slaves should go back to pencil and paper so that they don't have the power to disseminate the truth at the speed of light to billions."
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« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2009, 01:48:33 PM »

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/09/11/20/1747257/Climatic-Research-Unit-Hacked-Files-Leaked

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huckamania was one of many readers to write with the news that the University of East Anglia's Hadley Climatic Research Unit was hacked, and internal documents released. Some discussion and analysis of the leaked items can be found at Watts Up With That. The CRU has confirmed that a breach occurred, but not that all 61 MB of released material is genuine. Some of the emails would seem to raise concerns about the science as practiced — or at least beg an explanation. From the Watts Up link: "[The CRU] is widely recognized as one of the world's leading institutions concerned with the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change. Consisting of a staff of around thirty research scientists and students, the Unit has developed a number of the data sets widely used in climate research, including the global temperature record used to monitor the state of the climate system, as well as statistical software packages and climate models. An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server. Here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today: 'We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.' The file was large, about 61 megabytes, containing hundreds of files. It contained data, code, and emails apparently from the CRU. If proved legitimate, these bombshells could spell trouble for the AGW crowd." Reader brandaman supplied the link to the archive of pilfered data. Reader aretae characterized the emails as revealing "...lots of intrigue, data manipulation, attempting to shut out opposing points of view out of scientific journals. Almost makes you think it's a religion. Anyone surprised?" And reader bugnuts adds, for context: "These emails are certainly taken out of context, whether they are legitimate or fraudulent, which adds to the confusion."

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« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2009, 01:50:51 PM »

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html

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Apparently a "Global Climate Center" was hacked and the contents have been posted to the Internet.  A ZIP file exceeding 60MB and containing a huge number of emails and other documents has been posted worldwide.

Original speculation as to whether the files posted were legitimate or some sort of spoof appears to now be confirmed as legitimate:

    “It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”

I have not had time to read all of the material yet (there are over a thousand files involved!) but what I have skimmed looks VERY damning.  Contained within the documents are what appear to be admissions of intentional tampering with data as well as intentional falsification of results to "show" man-made global warming.

One of the emails says:

    "I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."

That is, to hide a decline in global temperatures.

It gets better.  Another message, this one allegedly from 2000:

    It was good to see you again yesterday - if briefly. One particular thing you said - and we agreed - was about the IPCC reports and the broader climate negotiations were working to the globalisation agenda driven by organisations like the WTO. So my first question is do you have anything written or published, or know of anything particularly on this subject, which talks about this in more detail?

Oh, so it's not about the planet getting warmer, but rather is a convenient means of advancing an agenda that has already been pre-determined?

Then there's this:

    In my (perhaps too
    > > harsh)
    > > view, there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model
    > > results by individual authors and by IPCC. This is why I still use
    > > results from MAGICC to compare with observed temperatures. At least
    > > here I can assess how sensitive matches are to sensitivity and
    > > forcing assumptions/uncertainties.

(Pardon the formatting, it's text-mode email 'yanno.)

Guess who that was addressed to?  Michael Mann.  You know, the (infamous and now discredited) "Mann Hockey Stick"?

Guess where that email originated?  NASA.

Yes, I have the file.  So do a few million other people.

There's enough evidence in there, in my opinion, of outrageously fraudulent conduct to make this the scandal of the 20th and 21st century.

Sorry folks, there's no science here - this is, from what I see, a massive and outrageous fraud, and now that the documents have been confirmed as authentic it is time to pull the curtain down on this crap and start locking up all of the proponents - starting with AL GORE.

Here are some interesting "meta statistics" on the documents, and the number of times the words referenced appear:

    *
      Fraud: 79
    *
      Falsify: 6
    *
      Inflate: 14
    *
      Conceal: 5
    *
      Hide: 19

Just for starters.

If you think that's bad, you might like this - from the file "ipcc-tar-master.rtf":

    General Comments

    The idea that climate without human intervention can only undergo “natural variability”, and that “climate change” can only result from human activity is false and fallacious. It is in conflict with all that we know of evolution and geology. It is simply wrong to assume that “ climate change” automatically implies human influence on the climate.

     

    This fallacy is embraced by the Framework Convention on Climate Change, but the IPCC (Footnote to “Summary for Policymakers. Page 1) claim that they are prepared to accept “natural variability” as “climate change”. They are, however, unwilling to accept the truth, which is that climate can change without human intervention.

     

    ....

     

    47 out of 91 models listed in Chapter 9 assume that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing at the rate of 1% a year when the measured rate of increase, for the past 33 years, has been 0.4% a year. The assumption of false figures in models in order to boost future projections is  fraudulent. What other figures are falsely exaggerated in the same way?

Update 12:58 - Oh oh.... From Phil Jones... and its recent:

    From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
    To: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>, "raymond s. bradley" <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>
    Subject: A couple of things
    Date: Fri May  9 09:53:41 2008
    Cc: "Caspar Ammann" <ammann@ucar.edu>

    ....

     2. You can delete this attachment if you want. Keep this quiet also, but this is the person who is putting in FOI requests for all emails Keith and Tim have written and received re Ch 6 of AR4. We think we've found a way around this.

And then there's this...

    From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
    To: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
    Subject: IPCC & FOI
    Date: Thu May 29 11:04:11 2008

    Mike,

    Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis.

    Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same?  I don't have his new email address.

    We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

    I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
        Cheers
        Phil

One has to wonder: was the "way around it" (the FOI) mentioned in the first correspondence to intentionally destroy the emails requested?


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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2009, 01:51:04 PM »

regardless,this information is out now and can't be hidden,it's like walking around in public with no pants once you are exposed everyone is going to see you.

oh shit, that reminds me...

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« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2009, 02:06:03 PM »

The msm probably wont even report this , and even if they do they will just say it is all BS .
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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2009, 02:10:25 PM »

piratebay torrent removed Wink

NSA amongst other NWO goons are going to have a long night trying to cover this up Wink
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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2009, 02:28:04 PM »

no it works fine now.. prob. lots of traffic
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