Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?

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I am assuming this has been discussed on here somewhere but without the search function I couldn't find it.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 11:46:24 AM »
As far as I remember they were discussing the option but we didnt give them enough time.

We had to send our message to the Soviets.

A lot of good that did.
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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 01:33:16 PM »
Hirohito made a deal with churchill to bomb pearl harbor.

hirohito was awarded a 50 year rule for selling out his people as the attack on pearl harbor was suicide in war strategy terms (a one hour lecture on Sun Tzu can plainly show why).

WWII was essentially over before the A-Bomb. The A-Bomb was not intended to end WWII, it was intended to start WWIII which it did very successfully.

In addition, Dresden was massacred essentially after the war with Germany. It was a hospital/recovery city for wounded and homeless and had zero military value.

Hitler was a British Agent.

Moussolini was a British agent.

Hirohito was a British agent.

Sir Henry Kissinger is a British agent.

Sir George HW Bush is a British agent.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 10:06:42 AM »
Thanks, Sane.

I am a big Vonnegut fan so I was up on Dresden. The whole "Japan would have fought to the last man if we hadn't nuked them" is logically quite ridiculous (either you're willing to fight to the death no matter what or not), but when I was arguing the point I realized I hadn't researched it very much. Kicking off the Cold War and inciting tensions with Russia makes a lot more sense.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 10:41:44 AM »
yes, I heard they really wanted to try out their bomb.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 11:19:18 AM »
Indeed Japan had already surrendered, the ludicrous "semantic" issue was one of "unconditional" versus "conditional" surrender. This phony argument was a totally moot point as the only condition was the preservation of the Tory-Nazi tyranny of their fascist-Shinto religious-corporate tribal mafia warlords  (Corporate Shintoism) which were in fact left alone and remain to this day as the living warlord-gods of the Tory national-socialist established state-corporate religion of Japan.

When the moron hayseed Truman surrendered to established Tory national-socialist Anglican-Episcopalism (Churchill's 2nd Reich) at Potsdam they already had the assurance that their loyal (though knowingly already betrayed) ally Stalin (the warlord of established Tory national-socialist Marxism) would immediately clean the Corporate Axis Shintoists out of China and South East Asia, a task that was already accomplished prior to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilian mass murders.

The expert tyrant Churchill had always been determined to betray his Russian allies, also seeing to it that his MI6 Mafia, now in control of America's wartime OSS Mafia had leaked the knowledge of British/America's nuclear WMD skullduggery to Stalin. The imperial mercantile monopolist purpose of this was, of course, the reconquest of corporate "Christianist" America under the propaganda umbrella of "godly" Tory-Nazi Corporate Episcopalism (2nd Reich Constantinianism) standing "together" against the "godless" Nazi empire of the Marxist religion!

The so-called "free world" embargo that would reconquer their American colony was to be known as Churchill's famous carefully pre-engineered "Iron Curtain" - a natural defensive response elicited from Stalin in response to British/American nuclear terrorism in Japan!

Millions of eastern Europeans were thus murdered by Churchill, even as his OSS Mafia morphed into the CIA Mafia that took over America during the reign of it's last "Constitutional" President, the moron Eisenhower! (with his failure to veto the DRO of 1948).

Since then the British MI6/CIA Colony of America has had Imperial Presidents - or dead ones.

PS - one of my first jobs was under a wonderful boss (Doctor of Agriculture and a non-Nazi agnostic) who had been the Burgermeister of Dresden

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 05:47:36 PM »


Hitler was a British Agent.

Moussolini was a British agent.

Hirohito was a British agent.

Sir Henry Kissinger is a British agent.

Sir George HW Bush is a British agent.



Heya Sane. Can I get a link to the British Agent stuff? I was talking to my aunt about that the other day and she basically just laughed me off.

I tried google but I cant really find anything substantial.

Mainly on Hitler being a British Agent.

Thanks.
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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 06:28:30 PM »
This post links a number of threads that mostly tries to provide some documented evidence of the WWII conspiracy.

Hirohito made a deal with churchill to bomb pearl harbor.

hirohito was awarded a 50 year rule for selling out his people as the attack on pearl harbor was suicide in war strategy terms (a one hour lecture on Sun Tzu can plainly show why).

WWII was essentially over before the A-Bomb. The A-Bomb was not intended to end WWII, it was intended to start WWIII which it did very successfully.

In addition, Dresden was massacred essentially after the war with Germany. It was a hospital/recovery city for wounded and homeless and had zero military value.
Hitler was a British Agent.
Moussolini was a British agent.
Hirohito was a British agent.
Sir Henry Kissinger is a British agent.
Sir George HW Bush is a British agent.

PEARL HARBOR, PROVES 9-11 FRAUD by Alan Stang December 7, 2007 NewsWithViews.com
Also see PrisonPlanet forum link: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=18073.msg66286#msg66286

A good book that covers Pearl Harbor

Lee, L. E., (Ed.) (1998).  World War II in Asia and the Pacific and the War's aftermath, with general themes: A handbook of literature and research, Greenwood Press. [Preview available at http://books.google.com]

pages 45-55 Chapter 3: The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor by Eugen L. Rasor [Was there a stand down order? Was the CFR involved?]

Why was most of the fleet in Pearl Harbor during the attack? It is now clear that "insiders" encouraged higher causalities.

Another interesting piece of the puzzle may be the War Plan Red (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red). The depth of this intrigue cannot be underestimated, leading to the conclusion that there has been global centralized effort pulling the strings for a very long time.

What happened at the end of WWII?

Yu-wei, K. A. and L. G. Thompson (1936-2005). Ta' Tung Shu: The one-world philosophy of K'ang Yu-wei. This book was initially written in Chinese in the late 1800’s (Started around 1885-and completed in Chinese around 1905) It was translated into English in 1936, then republished in 1958 and 2005. It outlines the division of the world into 10 regions, including The Ryukyu Kingdom as one region.

U.S. Military (1995). GHQ/SCAP top secret records II. Tokyo: Kashishabo Publishing. This series of documents states that the U.N. wanted Okinawa as a Trusteeship
(The highest government official repeatedly sanctioned the separation of Okinawa from Japan. The majority of Okinawans wanted to be part of Japan. The CIA ran the Island from 1947, and are still very active today.)

Earl Frankin Bull. Okinawa or Ryukyu : The Floating Dragon, 1958.
This book reveals intricacies of the Okinawan society and filled with important data that is not generally known to the public, including that some important individuals in society had the foreknowledge of where the safer areas would be prior to the battle of Okinawa.

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- General MacArthur stated in his memoirs that the battles fought at the end of the war were all mismanaged, resulting in high loss in human lives on both sides.
 
- Prior to the Battle of Okinawa, the Japanese moved the 9th Army from Okinawa to join the 10th Army Taiwan, late 1944, to January 1945. The 9th Army was known as one of the best fighting units. Researchers are still questioning this move.
 
- The Americans walked onto unprotected, undefended beaches on April 1, 1945. As an afterthought, the Japanese military reported that the beaches should have been protected.
 
- An airport was constructed by thousands of Okinawans just prior to the battle. The undefended airport was immediately captured and secured by the Americans.
 
- Civilians on Okinawa were divided. The elites were mostly moved off the main island to Taiwan, northern Japan, and possibly other islands. Some talented people were told to move to the north part of the Island of Okinawa. The remaining poor civilians were in the  southern battle zone. They were told to fight the Americans with sticks and commit suicide rather than surrender. Japanese soldiers murdered Okinawan civilians.
 
- The American Commander on Okinawa, General Simon Bolivar Buckner, was inept. Bought from his recruit training position in Alaska, coordinated the effort which was questioned by many of his subordinates on Okinawa. Buckner was reportedly killed by a fragment of coral, which had entered his chest after a Japanese mortar landed nearby, on June 17/18 1945.
 
- Days later two Japanese Commanders on the Island committed suicide and the Battle was “officially” over on June 21, 1945.

Was Emperor Hirohito involved in the decision to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I was asked this question a number of years ago. I was in shock at the time and have since let this question fester. When confronted with the spiritual repercussions of this possible truth, I can still only respond with deafening silence.

Evidence overwhelmingly concludes that Okinawa was a target of the Rockefellers and Japanese decision makers for over one hundred years. The removal of peoples, systematic breakdown of society, famine, infanticide, democide (the Battle of Okinawa), and politicide for the purpose of building a neofeudal region has been quite thorough. This was done with the full participation of an Anglo-Amercian-Japanese alliance, which is seen through a well documented trail of secret agreements and deceptive treaties.

There is also speculation that certain areas of Japan were curiously not bombed, in particular areas in Tokyo. Investigation into these sites may reveal that similar circumstances to what happened in Germany where factories owned by American/British corporations were left virtually unscathed.

To answer the question (Was Emperor Hirohito involved in the decision to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki?) a look at the following questions may be useful:

1. Who benefits. and how would they benefit in the short and long term?
There has been much written on the benefits of the use of these bombs, benefiting both the Japanese and Allied forces (primarily the Americans, British, Chinese, and the Russians). I read that there were a large number of undesirable Chinese and Korean slaves in Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the time of the bombing; removal of peoples with low human capital value from geographical areas through genocide was used widely by the Japanese—see Nanking. Japan emerged after the war into one of the greatest economic powers, with one of the largest domestic militaries in the world (see Japan Self-defense Forces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces). Not bad for a nation that was still mostly in a pre-industrial stage one hundred years ago. Bottom line is that negotiations with allied forces (including UN representatives) lead to the mass genocide of mostly innocent people. The alliance(s) supported this decision and we have lived with the consequences ever since.

2. Were people spared from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, and if so, how?
In Okinawa, the movement of people has been thoroughly documented. The highest layers of elites were being moved out of Okinawa from around the 1880s until the night prior to the main Battle of Okinawa. Do official records indicate any conspicuous movement of people in and out of Hiroshima and Nagasaki prior to the bombings? If so, what patterns emerge?

3. Did the Emperors’ networks conspire with alliance members to successfully carry out this operation?
It is very well documented that the Rockefellers and associated networks, including Freemasonry, had a significant impact on the “Making of Japan”. The Emperor of Japan became a member of the Royal Order of Garter in 1905; making Japan subservient to the wishes of the globalist agenda. It appears that efforts have been made to mask the continued importance of this honor. This honor and various alliances saved the Emperor from the Tokyo trials.
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All nation-building activities, past and present, represent a continuum necessary for the current totalitarian corporate state Japan is today. International corporations, through the use of tens of thousands of well-managed global civil servants, a New World Order has unfolded.

The answer to the main question proposed is still lingering. What we can conclude is that a global form of governance is capable of anything. And those of you who are part of our global elite matrix that support the mechanisms which are perpetuating the NWO, are guilty by more than association. Your collusion with secret societies and foreign service agencies certainly equate to the direct and/or indirect involvement in a long string of illegal actions that will condemn you to a bitter and wretched life—the life of an Emperor subservient to bankers. Those of you who are the bankers, belong to the families of the international bankers, or have royal ties, are mostly criminal scum.

This post was intended to respond to Retribution.

There's a lot more info available within the Prison Planet Forumorums to support that Hitler was a British Agent, Moussolini was a British agent, and Hirohito was a British agent.

It's hard to believe that Pearl Harbor and the end of WWII in the Pacific was pre-planned. However, the evidence proves the Anglo-American-Japanese alliance did indeed conspire in the Pacific Theater--and what a performance, ending with not only one big bang, but two.
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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2016, 01:16:46 PM »
Hirohito made a deal with churchill to bomb pearl harbor.

hirohito was awarded a 50 year rule for selling out his people as the attack on pearl harbor was suicide in war strategy terms (a one hour lecture on Sun Tzu can plainly show why).

WWII was essentially over before the A-Bomb. The A-Bomb was not intended to end WWII, it was intended to start WWIII which it did very successfully.

In addition, Dresden was massacred essentially after the war with Germany. It was a hospital/recovery city for wounded and homeless and had zero military value.

Hitler was a British Agent.

Moussolini was a British agent.

Hirohito was a British agent.

Sir Henry Kissinger is a British agent.

Sir George HW Bush is a British agent.

And I am British agent.  ::)

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 08:50:28 PM »
IF Japan tried to surrender before the A Bombs, they did a good job at covering it up.

What I never knew till I read an actual historical book, was that Japan was fire bombed over and over , relentlessly , but also that and I might be misnaming the General, but I think it was MacAurthur , how ever ya spell his name, who was really hoping for a full blown invasion of Japan instead of dropping the A bomb. From the books I have read that are from real authors ,  the only thing i can gather about Japan is that the emperor and military generals were beyond stiff necked and stubborn to consider giving up. An even with the surrender, Japan was still trying to negotiate the terms of surrender, to at least try and save some kind of face. An then even with everything going on an the semi help from Russia, it appears that Russia was really hoping for more so that they could swing in and attack Japan as well.

anyhow.

The only conspiracy theory that i think holds any water about Japan attacking Pearl Harbor to the retaliation by the US, is that there was some US official that did actually get a notice from some US outpost about the Japanese attacking them and were on the move, and the official found it to be ridiculous or for what ever reason just either didnt believe it or care.

The other conspiracy theories if there are any in that regard i chalk up to nutjob bs wishful thinking.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 05:03:19 AM »
Pro-nazi British historian David Irwing said that Emperor Hirohito ordered Japanese Ambassador in Moscow to start negotiate of surrendering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0m7yNYs80http://

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 06:19:14 AM »
Japan wanted to use Stalin as a middle man to negotiate with the Allies.
It was not the A-bomb that finished the War, it was when Russia declared war on Japan.


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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 06:41:51 AM »
Japan wanted to use Stalin as a middle man to negotiate with the Allies.
It was not the A-bomb that finished the War, it was when Russia declared war on Japan.

EG, my father told me exactly, "Stalin" refuse offer of surrender Japan and with together Western Allies attacked Japanese troops in Manchuria and Korea.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 06:43:34 AM »
The missing thread.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 06:49:35 AM »
EG, my father told me exactly, "Stalin" refuse offer of surrender Japan and with together Western Allies attacked Japanese troops in Manchuria and Korea.

More evidence has come to light recently.

Basic - they looked at the exact timing to see what the top Japanese knew at the time and when they made the big decisions - and the A Bomb was not the big factor, it was the Russian invasion.
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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 09:36:53 AM »
Japan wanted to use Stalin as a middle man to negotiate with the Allies.
It was not the A-bomb that finished the War, it was when Russia declared war on Japan.


there ya go , i figured it was Russia getting ready to declare war on Japan and not China, i would have to re look into the book i got to clarify; looking at how Japan was fire bombed and just bombing runs non stop and not one but two A bombs dropped on them, it makes sense that they had no intention of ever surrendering on the fact that more bombs would be dropped but that Russia was actually lining up at their door step to invade, and then the US would have had to join in. Rather insane that after relentless bombing and two a bombs , that other factors were a real cause of surrender rather than two a bombs being dropped on them.

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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2017, 07:39:11 PM »
The problem is twofold

First off we view everything with the 20/20 vision of hindsight and certainty
Secondly, we make several assumptions about cause and effect.



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Re: Did Japan try to surrender before the US started dropping A-bombs?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2017, 01:15:05 AM »
The problem is twofold

First off we view everything with the 20/20 vision of hindsight and certainty
Secondly, we make several assumptions about cause and effect.

very true.