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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2011, 06:23:24 PM » |
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Is there anything they can't make illegal?
sigh.... sounds like an awful lot of you are ignorant of the facts of this planet... do any of you really have an issue with a finite resource being protected...seriously??? the real issue he is basically a bookkeeping error...the wood is specified as being under 6mm when it is actually 10mm...there is no restriction of Indian rosewood or ebony if it is under 6mm...there are restrictions when it is 10mm...there is nothing illegal about this situation at all other than a gaffe by somebody in India...if the papers had been properly filled out then there would be no issue at all...I don't know what those dillholes in FWS are up to, but it is certainly not their purview to interpret Indian laws... and it is certainly India's right to have laws that protect their native resources... in specific FWS has decided that the materials (slated to be fret boards on guitars) was not 'finished' as defined by Indian law and therefor have taken their actions (most likely in response to being sued by Gibson for their last raid)...now let's step back here and think about this...the woods are in sanded form and tapered, but not slotted...uh huh...sounds pretty finished to me, and has been considered as such for many years by the Indian government...I'm not sure any instrument manufacturer would trust a foreign entity to do the final work on any instrument unless under their direct employ... on the subject of the finite resource wood, I bet almost none of you are aware that at the present rate of logging there will be no more Alaskan sitka spruce available for guitars in about 15 years...Brazilian Rosewood was made pretty much illegal over 30 years ago, though use of reclaimed materials is allowed though because of the present laws one must be able to prove every little thing about the materials to be able to ship it out of America...no issues here as again there is no problem with trying to protect endangered species in my view...sheesh |
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sigh....
sounds like an awful lot of you are ignorant of the facts of this planet...
do any of you really have an issue with a finite resource being protected...seriously???
the real issue he is basically a bookkeeping error...the wood is specified as being under 6mm when it is actually 10mm...there is no restriction of Indian rosewood or ebony if it is under 6mm...there are restrictions when it is 10mm...there is nothing illegal about this situation at all other than a gaffe by somebody in India...if the papers had been properly filled out then there would be no issue at all...I don't know what those dillholes in FWS are up to, but it is certainly not their purview to interpret Indian laws...
and it is certainly India's right to have laws that protect their native resources...
in specific FWS has decided that the materials (slated to be fret boards on guitars) was not 'finished' as defined by Indian law and therefor have taken their actions (most likely in response to being sued by Gibson for their last raid)...now let's step back here and think about this...the woods are in sanded form and tapered, but not slotted...uh huh...sounds pretty finished to me, and has been considered as such for many years by the Indian government...I'm not sure any instrument manufacturer would trust a foreign entity to do the final work on any instrument unless under their direct employ...
on the subject of the finite resource wood, I bet almost none of you are aware that at the present rate of logging there will be no more Alaskan sitka spruce available for guitars in about 15 years...Brazilian Rosewood was made pretty much illegal over 30 years ago, though use of reclaimed materials is allowed though because of the present laws one must be able to prove every little thing about the materials to be able to ship it out of America...no issues here as again there is no problem with trying to protect endangered species in my view...sheesh
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2011, 06:33:13 PM » |
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What's your point? I'm confused.
I'm not at all surprised... The_Point should be obvious...there seem to be a lot of posts indicating the authors think the restriction in trade of Indian woods is out of bounds...I will go further and state these pundits also believe there is no issue with the way we in America harvest our forests...STUPID... India rightfully protects its woods (which we DO NOT because we are pwnded by corporations and foolishly allow much of our timber to be sold to Japan) and there should be NO ISSUE AT ALL by anyone with this practice... on the specific subject of the Gibson case, I will quote another person with some very specific information about the situation: Chuck Erikson states "I can personally verify that LMII (who shipped the Indian wood to Gibson) physically holds notarized paperwork dated July 13th, 2011, from the Government of India Ministry of Commerce and Industry and signed by Daya Shankar, the Deputy Director of Foreign Trade, which states under “Subject – Clarification regarding export of Fingerboards made of Rose Wood and Ebony” that "…the Fingerboards made of Rose wood and Ebony [ITC (HS) Code 92099200] is freely exportable", and that "This issues with the approval of Director General of Foreign Trade.”" so just what is FWS up to eh? |
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2011, 06:38:32 PM » |
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I'm not at all surprised...
The_Point should be obvious...there seem to be a lot of posts indicating the authors think the restriction in trade of Indian woods is out of bounds...I will go further and state these pundits also believe there is no issue with the way we in America harvest our forests...STUPID...
India rightfully protects its woods (which we DO NOT because we are pwnded by corporations and foolishly allow much of our timber to be sold to Japan) and there should be NO ISSUE AT ALL by anyone with this practice...
on the specific subject of the Gibson case, I will quote another person with some very specific information about the situation:
Chuck Erikson states "I can personally verify that LMII (who shipped the Indian wood to Gibson) physically holds notarized paperwork dated July 13th, 2011, from the Government of India Ministry of Commerce and Industry and signed by Daya Shankar, the Deputy Director of Foreign Trade, which states under “Subject – Clarification regarding export of Fingerboards made of Rose Wood and Ebony” that "…the Fingerboards made of Rose wood and Ebony [ITC (HS) Code 92099200] is freely exportable", and that "This issues with the approval of Director General of Foreign Trade.”"
so just what is FWS up to eh?
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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2011, 06:54:42 PM » |
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The_Point should be obvious...there seem to be a lot of posts indicating the authors think the restriction in trade of Indian woods is out of bounds...
The point is: why so much hate?
I guess I just get rather tired of seeing posts made by such idiots...this place has really gone downhill... seeing conspiracies is one thing, seeing them in every single thing that happens is just ludicrous and really gives the 'movement' a rather bad name... I think these people really don't realize that anarchy means I can just walk up behind them and shoot them in the back of the head and get away with it...simple basic laws are required for any society...have the laws of our society gotten way out of hand? without a doubt...are laws that are meant to protect natural resources valid? in my eyes they are...IMHO those that think to the contrary are at the very least idiots... |
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« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2011, 07:01:26 PM » |
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« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2011, 07:06:16 PM » |
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I guess I just get rather tired of seeing posts made by such idiots...this place has really gone downhill...
seeing conspiracies is one thing, seeing them in every single thing that happens is just ludicrous and really gives the 'movement' a rather bad name...
I think these people really don't realize that anarchy means I can just walk up behind them and shoot them in the back of the head and get away with it...simple basic laws are required for any society...have the laws of our society gotten way out of hand? without a doubt...are laws that are meant to protect natural resources valid? in my eyes they are...IMHO those that think to the contrary are at the very least idiots...
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« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2011, 06:46:50 AM » |
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Quote Peerless.
I guess I just get rather tired of seeing posts made by such idiots...this place has really gone downhill...
Hi P. You may have missed Lees post, intimidation, foriegn contracts, etc.
Juszkiewicz(CIO) told host Chris Daniel that the government made the point “explicitly:”
CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?JUSZKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.
CHRIS DANIEL: Excuse me?
HENRY JUSKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.
CHRIS DANIEL: That your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of our labor?
HENRY JUSKIEWICZ: Yes, yeah. They said that explicitly.
Saving the trees, the green,carbon, etc. is being initiated by vermin who feeding ground has the appearence of good intentions. Masks, they are nesessary for these rats. They hide behind the concept they are saving the green-the earth itself.OK I beleive the earth needs care, simply not by this gang in power.
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Thanks Chris for show the "clueless peerless" what is really going on.  As Chris said--the real reason Gibson has been targeted is because the FEDS wants their business to go overseas--and basically like THUGS they threatened, if Gibson wants their "problems" to go away, they better MOVE labor overseas!! This puts hundreds more Americans out of work here. And the promise was there: if Gibson doesn't move labor overseas, they can expect more RAIDS--which of course will put them out of business.... They want America brought to her knees. PS: Peerless, do you know how big Alaska is? While I'm all for taking care of the earth and being kind to it, I don't buy what these big environmentalists preach at face value!! |
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This sounds like the "wildlands" project to me. Eventually, I would imagine more and more types of wood will be off limits and for more and more reasons, until what's left of us - those considered useful to the state - are forced into highly controlled urban areas with restricted movement between areas.
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sigh....
sounds like an awful lot of you are ignorant of the facts of this planet...
do any of you really have an issue with a finite resource being protected...seriously???
the real issue he is basically a bookkeeping error...the wood is specified as being under 6mm when it is actually 10mm...there is no restriction of Indian rosewood or ebony if it is under 6mm...there are restrictions when it is 10mm...there is nothing illegal about this situation at all other than a gaffe by somebody in India...if the papers had been properly filled out then there would be no issue at all...I don't know what those dillholes in FWS are up to, but it is certainly not their purview to interpret Indian laws...
and it is certainly India's right to have laws that protect their native resources...
in specific FWS has decided that the materials (slated to be fret boards on guitars) was not 'finished' as defined by Indian law and therefor have taken their actions (most likely in response to being sued by Gibson for their last raid)...now let's step back here and think about this...the woods are in sanded form and tapered, but not slotted...uh huh...sounds pretty finished to me, and has been considered as such for many years by the Indian government...I'm not sure any instrument manufacturer would trust a foreign entity to do the final work on any instrument unless under their direct employ...
on the subject of the finite resource wood, I bet almost none of you are aware that at the present rate of logging there will be no more Alaskan sitka spruce available for guitars in about 15 years...Brazilian Rosewood was made pretty much illegal over 30 years ago, though use of reclaimed materials is allowed though because of the present laws one must be able to prove every little thing about the materials to be able to ship it out of America...no issues here as again there is no problem with trying to protect endangered species in my view...sheesh
Dude, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. This is an unfair labor deal which illegally limits labor in the US in order to offshore labor to Madagascar. There is zero justification for SWAT teaming a US place of business in order to intimidate them to use foreign labor. There is no justification for intimidating the end workers to fabricate lies about their managers. There is no justification to target a non-donor of one political party in orger to grant more market share to a donor manufacturer. The feds involved with this raid can easily be charged with abuse of power as well as racketeering and possibly sedition/treason. Why are you giving safe haven to such terrorist entities? Why are you supporting the terrorists who are posing a real and present danger to the national security of this country? |
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2011, 09:00:01 AM » |
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sigh....
sounds like an awful lot of you are ignorant of the facts of this planet...
do any of you really have an issue with a finite resource being protected...seriously???
the real issue he is basically a bookkeeping error...the wood is specified as being under 6mm when it is actually 10mm...there is no restriction of Indian rosewood or ebony if it is under 6mm...there are restrictions when it is 10mm...there is nothing illegal about this situation at all other than a gaffe by somebody in India...if the papers had been properly filled out then there would be no issue at all...I don't know what those dillholes in FWS are up to, but it is certainly not their purview to interpret Indian laws...
and it is certainly India's right to have laws that protect their native resources...
in specific FWS has decided that the materials (slated to be fret boards on guitars) was not 'finished' as defined by Indian law and therefor have taken their actions (most likely in response to being sued by Gibson for their last raid)...now let's step back here and think about this...the woods are in sanded form and tapered, but not slotted...uh huh...sounds pretty finished to me, and has been considered as such for many years by the Indian government...I'm not sure any instrument manufacturer would trust a foreign entity to do the final work on any instrument unless under their direct employ...
on the subject of the finite resource wood, I bet almost none of you are aware that at the present rate of logging there will be no more Alaskan sitka spruce available for guitars in about 15 years...Brazilian Rosewood was made pretty much illegal over 30 years ago, though use of reclaimed materials is allowed though because of the present laws one must be able to prove every little thing about the materials to be able to ship it out of America...no issues here as again there is no problem with trying to protect endangered species in my view...sheesh
This has nothing to do with resources so why are you parroting Malthusian/Agenda 21/Sustainable Development bullcrap? Gibson Guitars: Global Bureaucracy Attacks American Workershttp://www.infowars.com/gibson-guitars-global-bureuacracy-attacks-american-workers/This is about destroying the US economy, manufacturing, jobs and turning the US into a 3rd world country by forcing the outsourcing of labor. |
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Amazing how little attention this gets in the corpopress.
Nah, not really.
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2011, 03:08:19 PM » |
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Dude, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. This is an unfair labor deal which illegally limits labor in the US in order to offshore labor to Madagascar. There is zero justification for SWAT teaming a US place of business in order to intimidate them to use foreign labor. There is no justification for intimidating the end workers to fabricate lies about their managers. There is no justification to target a non-donor of one political party in orger to grant more market share to a donor manufacturer.
The feds involved with this raid can easily be charged with abuse of power as well as racketeering and possibly sedition/treason.
Why are you giving safe haven to such terrorist entities? Why are you supporting the terrorists who are posing a real and present danger to the national security of this country?
no, you have no frakking idea what you are talking about...you prove it by bringing up Madagascar which is in the past whereas India is the present..do a little actual research as opposed to just linking to a bunch of cr@p... if you would actually take the time to read you should notice that I in NO WAY support the actions of FWS and I point out that they are overstepping their bounds and incorrectly interpreting India's laws on exports of THEIR resources...yep, I do state that India has a right to protect THEIR resources (as we should be doing with our wood resources as opposed to selling it all off to foreign interests)... again, take the time to actually read....if you actually think I support our present corrupt government then I can only label YOU as mentally incompetent... |
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wow...what bullsh!t... firstly, the whole concept of infinite growth is crazy...hence there HAS to be some sort of realization of finite resources and sustainable development....any other view is simply retarded... in the case of India, they certainly have the right to have laws in effect which limit how THEIR resources are used in an attempt to prevent exploitation by foreign corporations...the present day raid against Gibson is about an incorrect filing of paperwork related to the export/import of the wood...a German company incorrectly filed the export from India papers as being under..ah fudge it.... here read all about the REAL story here: http://luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=33311you all can just keep frothing about the mouth about how any limits on anything is some sort of conspiracy effort to control every aspect of your lives (and there certainly is some truth to that...though not in this case of Gibson and woods...if any of you all think trees shouldn't be protected for future use then you are STUPID) |
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You know, I don't think I remember hearing more than one or two mentions of this on the corpomedia since it happened. Noory did a whole segment on it, Alex did a show... but other than that...
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Feds to Gibson: Hand over more woodDate: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 1:40pm CDT - Last Modified: Friday, September 30, 2011, 7:23am CDT Federal authorities are pressuring Nashville-based Gibson Guitar to hand over an additional 25 bundles of Indian wood that the company allegedly planned to use in its famous guitars. The complaint was filed today in U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee and mirrors a 2010 action that sought official forfeiture of wood obtained in a 2009 raid of Gibson facilities. The latter of those cases has been stayed, pending the outcome of the most recent suit. As has been the case in previous allegations, at issue is the classification of certain wood imported to the United States from India. Namely, a June shipment of 1,250 sawn logs was classified as "finished parts of musical instruments," which is allowed under Indian law. In reality, according to the sworn affidavit of Fish and Wildlife Service agent Kevin Seiler, the wood was unfinished – a violation of the Lacey Act. The Lacey Act, originally passed by Congress in 1900, was amended in 2008 as part of that year’s Farm Bill to include protection for certain wood and endangered animal species. At its core, the Lacey Act makes it illegal to import plants or wildlife into the U.S. if those goods are harvested in a way that violates the laws of another country. More: http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2011/09/28/feds-to-gibson-give-us-more-wood.html?ana=e_pft
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This story still makes my blood boil. Both of my sons have Gibsons and love them. They have a factory here in Montana because of our low humidity. How absurd---TRAFFICKETING IN ILLEGALLY OBTAINED TIMBER. PICKING ON GIBSON AS THE DRUG CARTELS RUIN THE LIVES OF OUR PEOPLE. The DOJ does nothing right. Thanks Eric Holder, you criminal.
(Reuters) - Gibson Guitar Corp.'s chief slammed the U.S. government on Wednesday for sending armed agents to raid two Tennessee factories under a law aimed at curbing the illegal harvest of tropical hardwoods. "Armed people came in our factory ... evacuated our employees, then seized half a million dollars of our goods without any charges having been filed," Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz told reporters and others at a Washington lunch. "I think it's a clear overreach," he said. Government agents seized a total of over $1 million worth of rosewood, ebony and finished guitars from Gibson factories in Memphis and Nashville in raids in 2009 and August of this year, Juszkiewicz said. He brought samples of rosewood and ebony to the lunch; these tropical hardwoods, used in guitar fingerboards, are prized for their strength and tone. Gibson's factories remain open "under great difficulty" because the raids took most of the company's raw materials, the CEO said. The U.S. Justice Department declined on Wednesday to comment on the case but provided information on the Lacey Act, which aims to curb trafficking in wildlife, fish and plant products, including illegally obtained timber. "By prohibiting trafficking in wood illegally harvested overseas, the Lacey Act prohibits companies from undercutting law-abiding U.S. wood products companies ... by trading in artificially inexpensive raw materials that have been illegally harvested from foreign forests," Justice and Interior department officials wrote in a letter. Gibson Guitar uses a small fraction of the world's tropical hardwoods, compared to that used for furniture and flooring, and because it uses so little it can use it sustainably, Juszkiewicz said. He said his company has been a leader in this area with its line of SmartWood instruments, using wood certified by the Forest Stewardship Council. "The issue here is not illegal logging or some conservation abuse," he said. "The laws that are being identified by the Department of Justice have to do with protectionism by the country of origin, keeping work in that country and therefore not allowing something that isn't that value-added to be exported." The Lacey Act, enacted in 1900 and amended in 2008 to broaden the range of plant products it includes, makes it illegal to trade in plants obtained in violation of U.S. or foreign law. Those who unknowingly possess an instrument containing wood that was taken illegally "do not have criminal exposure," the government said in a letter responding to questions from members of Congress on the Gibson case. Gibson has filed suit in federal court in Nashville to recover the seized material, but that suit has been stayed while the investigation continues, Juszkiewicz said. Meantime, Gibson's chief said the law should be changed. "I believe in the intent of the law ... but I do believe that the way it's currently written allows what's happening to me to happen to other companies, and that's wrong," he said.
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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2013, 05:07:29 PM » |
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This just like the mob shaking you down for protection insurance... Oh and what did Fish and Game end up doing with the seasoned ebony and rosewood worth nearly $262,000 ?? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/06/158203277/gibson-guitar-settles-criminal-case-over-exotic-wood-importsGibson Guitar Settles Criminal Case Over Exotic Wood Importsby Mark Memmott August 06, 2012 "After years maintaining innocence," as Nashville Public Radio says, Gibson Guitar Corp. has agreed to pay a $300,000 penalty, donate $50,000 to a conservation fund and give up its claims to ebony and rosewood worth nearly $262,000 to avoid being criminally prosecuted for importing exotic woods. NPR's Carrie Johnson tells our Newscast Desk that "it's a crime to bring endangered plants and wood into the U.S. if the materials are protected under the laws of other countries. Under the terms of a deal announced today by the Justice Department, Gibson also promises to beef up its compliance programs." The Justice Department's moves against Gibson in 2011, which included a raid on the company's factory and seizure of some ebony and rosewood, turned the guitar company into "the poster child for the Republican Party's campaign against burdensome regulations," as The Hill has written. Gibson hired lobbyists to make its case on Capitol Hill. In a statement, Justice says: "In light of Gibson's acknowledgement of its conduct, its duties under the Lacey Act and its promised cooperation and remedial actions, the government will decline charging Gibson criminally in connection with Gibson's order, purchase or importation of ebony from Madagascar and ebony and rosewood from India, provided that Gibson fully carries out its obligations under the agreement, and commits no future violations of law, including Lacey Act violations." | - - - - - Gibson's president, Henry Juszkiewicz, writing in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago: "The fingerboards of our guitars are made with wood that is imported from India. The wood seized during the Aug. 24 raid, however, was from a Forest Stewardship Council-certified supplier, meaning the wood complies with FSC's rules requiring that it be harvested legally and in compliance with traditional and civil rights, among other protections. Indian authorities have provided sworn statements approving the shipment, and U.S. Customs allowed the shipment to pass through America's border to our factories. "Nonetheless, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decided to enforce its own interpretation of Indian law, arguing that because the fingerboards weren't finished in India, they were illegal exports. In effect, the agency is arguing that to be in compliance with the law, Gibson must outsource the jobs of finishing craftsmen in Tennessee." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303830204577448351409946024.html
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Banker Bob
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« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2013, 08:25:45 PM » |
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I got some illegal wood right here, grows 5 times bigger in the right hands .... Its magic
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You can't make up this SH*T!!
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Freeski
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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2013, 08:30:32 PM » |
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Just went and bought a brand new Gibson, $2600.00
So how are you liking it two years in? (that's a lot of cash for a guitar) |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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