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« on: November 13, 2009, 04:32:36 AM » |
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 04:39:57 AM » |
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UGH....WHY O WHY does ANYBODY give this cretin credibility??? They always say "But he wakes people up." Well so do some militant patriots, so do some white supremacists, but you dont see me defending them. If a person wakes people up, while at the same time providing the media and the establishment the ability to simply dismiss or discredit the cause, then what have they really accomplished, at what cost? Obama has his Kool aid drinkers, and apparently, so does this movement. And thats a bigger problem in and of itself, you are content to think as merely a movement, not a revolution of the mind. Movements go a short distance, and stop, revolutions come back around in your face to remind people you were there. But back to Icke. I see daily people lambasting Glenda beck for being a shill, saying he spouts out 80% truth, 20% dreck. But thats EXACTLY what Icke does, but nobody calls him on it!!!
STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID KIDS!!!!!! ICKE is poison to the movement!!!
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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worcesteradam
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 04:50:20 AM » |
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we need everyone we can get.
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"Outlaws have their uses." - Earl of Newark
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 04:59:00 AM » |
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Typical kool aid drinker. So lets say that today, Icke manages to wake up a hundred people. Tommorrow, the media does an expose on Icke, and brings up his crackpot beliefs about his intertwined faith, and the lizard people. How many of those new converts would stick it out through that kind of barrage? How many of those who are awake would shut their mouths for fear of being labled an icke crackpot? I mean, what do you really accomplish by handing a box of ammunition to a psychotic killer with an empty gun? Thats essentially what we are doing so long as we allow Icke to mainstream his ideas through a movement that is already rife with landmines of data that can bite us in the ass at any moment. So what if Icke wasn't some lizard people guru who slings a lil Truth out on occasion to ramp up his credibility. Say he was a David Dukes type who while tossing out his racist drivel also tossed out some truth to ramp up his street cred. Would you be defending him then as well?  ? we need everyone we can get.
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 05:00:39 AM » |
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You are the one who is asleep...
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Saddam Hussein
Barack Hussein Obama
Joseph Robinette Biden
Osama Bin Laden
Its a Game. A Spiritual Game...
You need to Cross The River....
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 05:04:29 AM » |
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And your argument for that would be what exactly? You said it, defend it. You are the one who is asleep...
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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Scootle
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 05:06:20 AM » |
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You got a more plausible explanation as to how you can have a thousand year conspiracy?
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2009, 05:11:00 AM » |
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The 1,000 year conspriacy is merely atheory, NOT proven by tangible fact. Man is inherently evil/ sinful. Man inherently gravitates towards power over others. Rarely, you have those who have no such ambitions. So its not entirely unheard of for entire lineages to seek power, maintian power, and seek to expand their power, or allign with thsoe who seek the same end. But you act like the 1000 year conspriacy is fact, its a random conglomeration of details meshed into a convincing story. You got a more plausible explanation as to how you can have a thousand year conspiracy?
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2009, 05:14:11 AM » |
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If he is doing conferences and speeches and people are listening then i think thats progress.
Im not saying adopt his opinions or make him a poster child but why attack him.
Arnt there much worse people in the world than Icke who deserve our fire.
His website is 90% what we cover here
I agree he discredits things a lot but he also wakes up a lot of people
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 05:20:07 AM » |
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I'm wondering when David is going to say something new...... he's been repeating these stories for 10 years. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. David needs to start going into more detail.
Or maybe I am being naive and he's just a scam artist.
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Scootle
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 05:51:56 AM » |
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Right yeh because he says at the start of every lecture "I'm not telling you what to believe, the last thing this world needs is someone telling you what to believe" and he encourages everyone on the planet to put their differences aside, come together as humans and resist the tyranny. What kind of illuminati shill would do that?
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 06:59:09 AM » |
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You misunderstand, I'm not calling him an Illuminati shill, I'm simply suggesting that his very beleifs stand to greatly discredit OUR efforts, nay slow them down to a standstill. But hey, if you want to be hypocritical about it, go right ahead. I just find it curious nobody wants to address the racism/ radical theory. I mean, if he spoke of anything esle we find distasteful, we'd equate him to being the next Glenn Beck. But becuase he speaks certain thigns that certain fringe aspects of the movement subscribe to, he's "not that bad." Right yeh because he says at the start of every lecture "I'm not telling you what to believe, the last thing this world needs is someone telling you what to believe" and he encourages everyone on the planet to put their differences aside, come together as humans and resist the tyranny. What kind of illuminati shill would do that?
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 07:13:09 AM » |
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You misunderstand, I'm not calling him an Illuminati shill, I'm simply suggesting that his very beleifs stand to greatly discredit OUR efforts, nay slow them down to a standstill. But hey, if you want to be hypocritical about it, go right ahead. What do you mean, OUR efforts? Who are you speaking for? To say he slows down the efforts of exposing the conspiracy makes no sense whatsover to me, since I was awaken by him, in the first place. I just find it curious nobody wants to address the racism/ radical theory. What are you talking about? |
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 07:21:09 AM » |
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I do feel some ppl when they say that listening to David Icke is not the best thing to do becuz he is an advocate for that reptilian b.s. [not saying that there isn't some truth to what he says but he takes it too far, makes us all look stupid imo]
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worcesteradam
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 07:32:24 AM » |
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What are you talking about?
He means if it was racism rather than reptilianism, would people be so tolerant |
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 07:40:37 AM » |
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I do feel some ppl when they say that listening to David Icke is not the best thing to do becuz he is an advocate for that reptilian b.s. [not saying that there isn't some truth to what he says but he takes it too far, makes us all look stupid imo]
Well, It wasn't that long ago when I would say to someone, "they want to bring in a new world order"..."one world government"...The response would be..... "Who's They?" Now.... New world order talk is all over the place....even Chuck Norris talks it. Who can really say what stupid talk is? |
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 07:47:32 AM » |
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Right yeh because he says at the start of every lecture "I'm not telling you what to believe, the last thing this world needs is someone telling you what to believe" and he encourages everyone on the planet to put their differences aside, come together as humans and resist the tyranny. What kind of illuminati shill would do that?
Right on Scootle!!! Right on!!! The reason that Rollye James so easily woke me up is because she had good impartial advise: “Don’t take my word or anyone else's word for absolute truth. Prove it to yourself by using the widely accepted principles of the Scientific Method, which basically states good science is judged on its ability to successfully predict. Verify our conclusions by comparing them to the conclusions you draw from your own observation and data collection.” It's the same reason I love Alex Jones and David Icke. |
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"To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt." - Mikhail Bakunin
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Georgiacopguy
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 08:01:55 AM » |
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Some of you lot are walking talking proof that there are retards on both sides.
When you go and try to talk to somebody, and they toss out the reptilian bullshit, and you get that puzzled look on your face on how to counter that, while waking up your friend, and trying to keep that friend from thinking you are some whackadoo nutjob, remember this conversation.
Outer Haven: OUR efforts is in regard to the Truth movement/ Anti NWO movement. But I guess you got confused since I'm not drinking the Icke Kool Aid, and spoke out against your Idol. You must have had a momentary lapse of reason and thought I was an NWO shill or something. That must be it. I'm just trying to point out that Icke, just like the scar/min control nutjobs, just like the alien UFO nuts, and all those fringe movements within this movement all tend to drag us down, and put us in a very uncomfortable position when trying to wake others up, or defend the movement against media or just shill attacks... If you people cant see that, then you aren't as awake as you like to think, you are just blind due to a different brand of kool aid.
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 08:10:43 AM » |
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we need everyone we can get.
I do not like him either, but if people listen to some of his words, and just open to the other stuff, so what. This latest vid is same as all his others, he just went over everything again. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 08:13:41 AM » |
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Quit your bellyachin about Icke-squbbling over this kinda thing is pathetic.There should be alot more pressing things out there to vent your ire on.
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2009, 08:42:30 AM » |
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I personally find Icke fascinating. He is just too on the ball with much of the meat to be tossed away because of a couple of eyebrow-raising angles.
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2009, 06:38:15 PM » |
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Finally got to see this -- on PPTV -- and it was brilliant.
Even anti-Ickers should find this inspiring IMO.
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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