Concise Systematic Crater Chains, Your Take?

[Kilika]

I did find what might be construed as a face, though that kind of thing is subjective. It's closest to the camera at the base of the small mountains in the center of the image to the right side. It's that small outcrop at the very base of the biggest mountain range in the center plain that starts large from the right and going to the left it gets smaller and smaller to a point of sorts. Really got to zoom in to see it.

Looking at it again, it's not actually an outcrop, but it's actually a seperate little hill, and the face is laying back looking into the sky and part of the top of the head looks like a rock laying over it so it's covering part of the forehead. Then again, I could be seeing things.

[Norval]

While some of you may expect us to believe that this was caused by a bunch of big rocks, , ,



or by electrical arching, , , ,

Keep wishing.

[Harconen]

 

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZN.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/ufowarning/ufowarning16.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas5.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_firesky17.htm

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/sc2012-1.htm

[Georgiacopguy]

So it there is simply nothing else that coupld explain it, you've made up your mind?

While some of you may expect us to believe that this was caused by a bunch of big rocks, , ,



or by electrical arching, , , ,

Keep wishing.

[Norval]

Phobos, a "moon" of Mars, , , ,



With so many scientists and astronomers stating how odd Phobos (and Demos) are;
The fact it's orbit is retrograde.
The fact that Phobos and Demos both are spiraling down to the planet.
The fact that these CSCCs curve around the bodies surface.
The fact that the two little (so called) "moons" are way to light to be solid.

Harconan,
There must be some reason that has scared the shit out of our governments to think they need huge honkin space guns.
Well, we sure as hell see a good reason too.

Georgiacopguy;
What are you ? A rookie?!?! I just have to ask because after showing these NASA photos to "older" (the ones with experience) cops and retired cops, military, types and so on, they all turned white and got real quiet. Some of their hands were shaking as they handed the photos back to me. They would have laughed you out of the room. At the very least. I've been convinced by the evidence that these photos show, these are obvious weapons strikes, just as they were, for over seven years. Of course those were real people in real life, , , , , , , , , , 

[Harconen]

Harconan,
There must be some reason that has scared the shit out of our governments to think they need huge honkin space guns.
Well, we sure as hell see a good reason too.

Hi Norval, you will find the ansver here.

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

[Norval]

That Steven Greer guy has done more to harm disclosure than help I think, , , IMHO

[Harconen]

That Steven Greer guy has done more to harm disclosure than help I think, , , IMHO

Can you explane why? I need info about it. Also what do you know about Phil Schneider? Schneider was an US patriot and he was killed by NWO.

[Georgiacopguy]

I question your sincerity and truthfulness in that regard. I have no problem admitting that celestial mechanics and the like are not my area of expertise, and I imagine the same can be said for many other cops and military types. So your assertion seems to lack a lot of merit. I also hav NEVER known any cops who would loose their composure over holes on a far away moon. If they did, they wouldnt be any cops I would have wanted backing me up. "Oh my GOD, the bad man just pointed at me, said he was going to COMPLAIN on me...Oh noez, what am I to dooz?!?" Arent broad assertions of expertise, and professionals who beleive the material, and such, arent those some of the very same disinfo tactics you were accusing me of earlier? Nameless, faceless, people, who grew pale and quiet upon seeing your so called evidence....My my, how ever convenient.

I find your baseless attack on my professional backgraound pitiful and fruitless. I served ten years in law enforcement. I started as a state trooper, and rather than be a ticket nazi, I elected to move into more fruitful pursuits, that being to serve as a peace officer, and not a revenue gatherer. While working for a shall township, I was detached to a Multi jurisdictional drug task force, where I became an expert on electronic and under cover surveillance and tactical warrant service. I was then detached to the Feds from the narcotics team, where I served for several months working cases for them as an undercover. I then went to another agency, where iworked the street until i was made a major case detective, while i nthat position, i became a crime scene tech, trained highly in blood spatter analysis, interviews and interrogations, namely Neuro-Linguistic Programming. I remained there until I was promoted to a shift supervisor. I remained at that rank for several years. I then made a lateral transfer to an agency closer to home to be supervising detective in a major case investigative division. From there I retired because I did not like the direction law enforcement, or the government as a whole were going.  So take your assumptions about my career, and shove them you old burnout.

As for your assumptions aboutthe moons;You mix fact with your assumptions to bolster your assumptions.
It is a fact that the orbit is retrograde. It is a fact they are both spiraling towards the planet. It may be a fact that the craters curve around the body of the planet, and it is a fact the moons are light. However you do not detail how ANY of that correlates to your theory about a war in our solar system. You simply assume that since it cannot be explained by anything else that it must comply with your theory.

Do not some asteroids travel in clusters due to gravimetric forces? Would not a cluster create strange patterns as it made planet fall? I know the moons lack an atmosphere, but lets say there is enough there to create friction, have you not seen video of asteroids making planet fall, as they BREAK APART, and continue to travel in a straight line? Then there is still my theory of an asteroid making an indirect impact, and skipping. You obviously do not subscribe to occam’s razor, you either subscribe to Norval’s trimmer, or maybe just Norval… If your avatar is of you, then razors don’t seem to be your friend. Your explanation is NOT the simplest explanation, in fact, it is by far, the most complex, and aside from a bunch of crater chains, there is NOTHING that backs that assumption up.


 

Phobos, a "moon" of Mars, , , ,




Georgiacopguy;
What are you ? A rookie?!?! I just have to ask because after showing these NASA photos to "older" (the ones with experience) cops and retired cops, military, types and so on, they all turned white and got real quiet. Some of their hands were shaking as they handed the photos back to me. They would have laughed you out of the room. At the very least. I've been convinced by the evidence that these photos show, these are obvious weapons strikes, just as they were, for over seven years. Of course those were real people in real life, , , , , , , , , , 

[Waipio]

The fact that these CSCCs curve around the bodies surface.

A new bit of info, to me.

thnx

[Norval]

GCG
You question MY sincerity and truthfulness? , , , , , and yer a retired cop!
Everyone knows cops are the biggest LIARS ! ! (Sorry, but you set yourself up for that fun poke.) 
awwww gawd that was priceless, , , , , FOCLMFAO on that one. Thanky for the laugh.

While you hide who you really are, I don't.
Norval Laurance Cunningham
Have a "friend" run my name. Feel free to post any information you find from government and legal records.

Everything you continue to question has been addressed in this thread, go back and read.
FACT, the scientists admit that a CSCC is next to impossible to ever form from a broken up comet or asteroid.
FACT, the scientists admit that their computer models will not show a CSCC projection.
FACT, weapons strike patterns are the closest known similarity to the CSCCs.

But, please continue, you provide some simple amusement to a very serious probability.

Harconen, and a Hello back to yah, 
When it comes to Greer check out his latest video interview with Bill and Keery of Project Camelot / Avalon.
Many have lost their lives in this Info War. Sorry to say that probably more will before this is all disclosed and over. If these CSCCs are indeed weapons strikes then the governments would have a very good reason to develop big honking space weapons. My advice to them is be very careful who you attempt to fire upon. 

[Georgiacopguy]

So now you question my integrity????Simply because I was a cop? Yet a few posts ago, you were holding cops up on a pedestal, espousing their integrity as witnesses to your testimony of what you present as fact. So which is, they are valid witnesses to your would be brilliance, or they are liars??? Sounds like you f**ks love to plot your plays by using the disinfo playbook. My integrity speaks for itself you bearded burnout. The people here know what they need to know about my integrity, the people who know me in real life can vouch for my integrity. So your opinion about my integrity means jack shit. By the way, its illegal in just about every state to do the sort of background check you suggest I use. But I'm sure you're a f**king nobody. While some cops are liars, there ARE exceptions to that rule, and I am f**king proud as hell to have been one of those exceptions, and to have accomplished what i accomplished as a cop, one of which was to get dirty cops out of the business. So you can shove your fun little poke up your piss slit sideways.

This is a message board, people tend to use monikers on these. So... sue me. There is also the fact that people on this board tend to post ant- government shit, and we are diametrically opposed to our government, therefor, its in our best interests to hide who we really are, many of us go to great lengths to keep it that way. I cannot help you are a moron who wishes to announce his presence on such a board. Have at it chump. But I think you've done a fantastic job of exposing yourself as a strict follower of the disinfo tactics, So, with that said, you and your compatriots go ahead and continue your mental masturbation amongst yourselves about your little gay, i mean gray men. Most people here know its all government disinfo, we all know its a shell game, and we all know that its a hoax. I mean, for f**ks sake, most UFO shit here is posted in the faux controversies section, that should f**king tell you what you are dealing with here.

As for me, I'm going to put my efforts and time back into debating about our criminal government. Because I, am rooted in reality, a privilege you do not seem to have.

By the way brainiac, an elipsis(...) consists of 3 periods, NOT commas...f**king Moron.

GCG
You question MY sincerity and truthfulness? , , , , , and yer a retired cop!
Everyone knows cops are the biggest LIARS ! ! (Sorry, but you set yourself up for that fun poke.) 
awwww gawd that was priceless, , , , , FOCLMFAO on that one. Thanky for the laugh.

While you hide who you really are, I don't.
Norval Laurance Cunningham
Have a "friend" run my name. Feel free to post any information you find from government and legal records.

Everything you continue to question has been addressed in this thread, go back and read.
FACT, the scientists admit that a CSCC is next to impossible to ever form from a broken up comet or asteroid.
FACT, the scientists admit that their computer models will not show a CSCC projection.
FACT, weapons strike patterns are the closest known similarity to the CSCCs.

But, please continue, you provide some simple amusement to a very serious probability.

Harconen, and a Hello back to yah, 
When it comes to Greer check out his latest video interview with Bill and Keery of Project Camelot / Avalon.
Many have lost their lives in this Info War. Sorry to say that probably more will before this is all disclosed and over. If these CSCCs are indeed weapons strikes then the governments would have a very good reason to develop big honking space weapons. My advice to them is be very careful who you attempt to fire upon. 

[Waipio]

Ah, there's  tactic  8

I was wondering when it would appear. 

[Georgiacopguy]

Oh shut the f**k up, you've been the poster child of that playbook since about your second post. YES, I'm anti government in every aspect of my life, except when it coems ot UFO, then I beleive the bullshit htey shovel in our faces. NO f**ktard, I dont beleive UFO bullshit, because morons like you can't get your act together well enough to convince me it's legit. I've plainly stated, I do not find alien life forms to be impossible. Therefor, I have an open mind. I just find certain theories such as this one, to be iutter bullshit, and an insult to my intelligence. Then a moron like you comes along, and rather than try to convince me with strong facts, you'd rather call me a disinfo agent, and blather on and on incessantly about straw men arguments, some which you create by the way, and then you blather on about disinfo tactics. Shove it dick munch.

Ah, there's  tactic  8

I was wondering when it would appear. 

[Norval]

One has to wonder why he (GCG) can't seem to discuss this topic with out getting all riled up.

Just because you can't see these unique virtually impossible alignments of craters doesn't mean others can't. 

(He sure sounds like a rookie with language like that.) 

[Waipio]

Quote from: Georgiacopguy on Today at 12:57:40 PM
Oh shut the f**k up, you've been the poster child of that playbook since about your second post. YES, I'm anti government in every aspect of my life, except when it coems ot UFO, then I beleive the bullshit htey shovel in our faces. NO f**ktard, I dont beleive UFO bullshit, because morons like you can't get your act together well enough to convince me it's legit. I've plainly stated, I do not find alien life forms to be impossible. Therefor, I have an open mind. I just find certain theories such as this one, to be iutter bullshit, and an insult to my intelligence. Then a moron like you comes along, and rather than try to convince me with strong facts, you'd rather call me a disinfo agent, and blather on and on incessantly about straw men arguments, some which you create by the way, and then you blather on about disinfo tactics. Shove it dick munch.

 
Quote from: Georgiacopguy on Today at 07:08:30 AM
So now you question my integrity????Simply because I was a cop? Yet a few posts ago, you were holding cops up on a pedestal, espousing their integrity as witnesses to your testimony of what you present as fact. So which is, they are valid witnesses to your would be brilliance, or they are liars??? Sounds like you f**ks love to plot your plays by using the disinfo playbook. My integrity speaks for itself you bearded burnout. The people here know what they need to know about my integrity, the people who know me in real life can vouch for my integrity. So your opinion about my integrity means jack shit. By the way, its illegal in just about every state to do the sort of background check you suggest I use. But I'm sure you're a f**king nobody. While some cops are liars, there ARE exceptions to that rule, and I am f**king proud as hell to have been one of those exceptions, and to have accomplished what i accomplished as a cop, one of which was to get dirty cops out of the business. So you can shove your fun little poke up your piss slit sideways.

This is a message board, people tend to use monikers on these. So... sue me. There is also the fact that people on this board tend to post ant- government shit, and we are diametrically opposed to our government, therefor, its in our best interests to hide who we really are, many of us go to great lengths to keep it that way. I cannot help you are a moron who wishes to announce his presence on such a board. Have at it chump. But I think you've done a fantastic job of exposing yourself as a strict follower of the disinfo tactics, So, with that said, you and your compatriots go ahead and continue your mental masturbation amongst yourselves about your little gay, i mean gray men. Most people here know its all government disinfo, we all know its a shell game, and we all know that its a hoax. I mean, for f**ks sake, most UFO shit here is posted in the faux controversies section, that should f**king tell you what you are dealing with here.

As for me, I'm going to put my efforts and time back into debating about our criminal government. Because I, am rooted in reality, a privilege you do not seem to have.

By the way brainiac, an elipsis(...) consists of 3 periods, NOT commas...f**king Moron.

Good stuff Gcg !!!  It just gets better and better !!!!

You are awesome !!!!

[Norval]

From GCG

"As for me, I'm going to put my efforts and time back into debating about our criminal government. Because I, am rooted in reality, a privilege you do not seem to have."

By all means GCG go after the puppets, while we go after the Puppet Masters.
Thanks, by the way, for "your take" about CSCCs and how you think they formed. Your participation in this thread was greatly appreciated.

and this, , , , , , ,

"By the way, its illegal in just about every state to do the sort of background check you suggest I use."

My wife, a retired paralegal, and I had a good laugh at that line. I never suggested you do anything illegal.

Well Waipio,
As you can easily see from the pictures many of these CSCCs do curve around the surface of several of the smaller bodies in our solar system. While a picture may be worth a thousand words some think that a thousand words will make what is in the pictures go away. Not.

[Waipio]

One has to wonder why he (GCG) can't seem to discuss this topic with out getting all riled up.

Maybe  Gcg  seizes every opportunity for character polishing ?

...

Hey Gcg,

Are you available for stand up at parties and stuff?

With your material,  your act would be a smashing good hit on the conspiracy conference circuit !

[Waipio]

By all means GCG go after the puppets, while we go after the Puppet Masters.

Uh-oh,  

Thats The Taboo Topic, in certain circles

[Norval]

Burlguy,
, , , , another one that can't address the topic. 

I never
"asked him to go to his cop buddies"

, , , and yah can't read either obviously. 

Check out Sol System War on YouTube, , , , ,

[Georgiacopguy]

Typical, you would argue the semantics of

"Norval Laurance Cunningham
Have a "friend" run my name. Feel free to post any information you find from government and legal records.

So he paraphrased by saying cop buddies versus "friends" and whatever you aluded to there.

The fact still remains, you expresed your ignornace on what can legally be done in order to run a criminal record or criminal database on an individual, and your obviously uneducated or unde-reducated wife laughed it up, and was ...whats that? Just as freaking wrong.

I think far more people here would stick to the facts if you could. But you keep resorting to that 'ol tired playbook. Or if you had a lick of credibility.

Burlguy,
, , , , another one that can't address the topic. 

I never
"asked him to go to his cop buddies"

, , , and yah can't read either obviously. 

Check out Sol System War on YouTube, , , , ,

[Norval]

Yer so funny GCG, , , 

Still can't address the topic we read, , , , , FOCLMFAO

[roaddog]

Well I’ve been reading this thread for a while and find it kind of funny that when someone can’t make others see their way they resort to name calling. Although some remarks have been pretty darn funny and I do like to laugh.

But! I tend to think the Crater chain / solar system war theory presented by Gale and backed up by Norval seems to be more likely than the EU theory for a few reasons. First off for an arc to cause these HUGE crater chains the 2 bodies would have to be huge themselves, and the arc pretty darn big and bright. So let’s take our moon for example, with all the crater chains on the moon would the electric arc come from Earth? I doubt it; did it come from dark matter? I doubt it; did it come from the next closet plant? I doubt that, because astronomers over the last few hundred years have not seen any of these huge bolts of lightning striking the moon, or any other arcing between planets and moons.  Now you can’t say that the thunderbolts just went away that’s why there is no more arcing BUT you can say the war in the solar system is over.  I’m sure there is some arcing on a small scale like our lightning hear on earth but when it strikes is just a small hole not a crater that miles wide. As far as the arc scratching the surface, you wouldn’t have these round craters you would have a scrap or scratch mark.  For a thunderbolt to do this it would have to strike then stop then strike again then stop then strike again in a straight line. To me that seems like a controlled strike or possible weapon strikes.  I have seen pictures of weapon strikes as well as bomb strikes and these chains seem to resemble them but only on a larger scale.

Could it be meteors, comets or asteroids? I don’t think so. Unless they broke apart into equal size pieces and got one behind the other and hit in single file. It is pretty much impossible.  Now the crater chain pictures that Gale and Norval presented here shows the craters pretty much end to end and some overlapping. But the Shoemaker levy’s craters were hundreds if not thousands of miles apart.  That’s not a concise systematic crater chain.  Now obviously nobody has seen a thunderbolt make these craters. The only testing that has been done was on a very small scale and in a controlled environment and it did produce a crater like imprint in the sand but it didn’t make a concise systematic grater chain.  I have yet to see rocks pebbles or even bbs tossed, thrown or shot out of a straw make a concise systematic crater chain. They spread and look more like buckshot hitting the ground... But some weapons can make a concise systematic crater chain, bombs can, even gun shots can on a smaller scale So why would you think it couldn’t be caused by weapons?

[Gale]

Why, thank you roaddog and only one post.  You have made more sense with your one post than all these others with thousands of posts to their profiles and they just trashing the thread.

[Jackson Holly]

Jupiter's Moon Io
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The evidence for an electrical universe is overwhelming and growing daily as more serious scientists investigate. Here I will look at the moon Io and it's Prometheus, Pele and other "volcanoes".


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050406retrospective-io.htm



 Apr 06, 2005
Retrospective on Io

To see what is happening on Jupiter's closest moon, Io, a change in language and theory is required. Mechanical, electrically sterile terminology only hinders understanding.

Pictured above: the plumes of the “volcano” Pele, on Jupiter’s moon Io.

As plasma physicists look at astronomy and astronomers look at plasma, the respective languages, cultivated over many decades, can only accentuate the gap in viewpoints. The language of “plasma cosmology,” describing the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets, includes many terms more familiar to electrical engineers than to astronomers--Langmuir sheaths, z-pinches, glow discharges, arc discharges, plasmoids.

Astronomers have cultivated a different language. Having banished charged plasma from space, they concentrate on the much simpler behavior of a “magnetized gas”, not the charge.  Their equations for the behavior of plasma are typically those used to describe flowing water and blowing wind, with a modification due to magnetic effects—the math of classical mechanics.  Thus, their lexicon reflects their perspective, with words one might expect from a weatherman—winds and jets, bowshocks and shock waves, winds and rains of charged particles, wind socks, etc.

What NASA scientists call a "surprising rain of charged particles" in the vicinity of Jupiter’s moon Io is interesting and dangerous weather for spacecraft.  But in an electric universe the phenomenon means much more than a cosmic weather report.  It is a signature of electrical activity that could not fail to produce a continuous stream of surprises for those unaccustomed to the behavior of electrified plasma.

Jupiter and its moons form a small-scale model of the solar system and should therefore be a test of hypotheses about its formation. But despite the money, time and effort spent on the Galileo mission to Jupiter it ultimately failed to provide satisfactory answers about the remarkable environment of the gas giant.

When Cornell astrophysicist Thomas Gold proposed in the journal Science (Nov, 1979) that the “volcanoes” on Io were actually plasma discharge plumes, he was “answered” in the same journal by Gene Shoemaker et al. But it is dismaying to see that, despite a cascade of data in favor of Gold’s original insight—and no new data in support of the more conventional interpretation--neither Science nor any other respected journals revisited the issue. Could it be that the wrong hypothesis was chosen to interpret the data from Galileo? Science functions best when there are a plurality of ideas to be tested, so that when surprises arise, we will be aware of those who were NOT SURPRISED by the new findings.

The Electric Universe model asks us to also consider the circuit between Jupiter and the Sun, and the Sun and the galaxy. Io can then be seen in proper perspective as a hapless intermediary in the more powerful electrical exchange between Jupiter and the Sun. Only with this more universal perspective can the right questions be posed and coherent answers be expected.

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http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041213io-series-1.htm




 Dec 13, 2004
Io and the “Greatest Surprise”
Pictured above: two views of Jupiter’s closest moon Io, the first a Voyager photograph, the second a higher-resolution image from the more recent Galileo probe, showing the moon's etched surface in sharp relief.

In 1979, the United States’ space probe Voyager I approached Jupiter, passing through its system of moons to take the first close-up pictures of Io, the large moon closest to the gas giant.  A few months later Voyager II followed, adding to the new and spectacular profile of the moon. According to mission scientists with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), "probably the greatest surprise" of the Voyager flyby of Jupiter was the discovery of active "volcanoes" on Io, with plumes jetting far into space.  "It appears that activity on Io affects the entire Jovian system", states a JPL fact sheet.

But in many ways the newly discovered "volcanoes" did not behave like volcanoes on earth but showed distinctive features reminiscent of electrical discharge phenomena.  Seeing these patterns, Cornell University astrophysicist Thomas Gold proposed an extraordinary idea in the journal Science (Nov 1979).  He suggested that the plumes were the effect of an electrical exchange between Io and Jupiter.  The suggestion was quickly disputed by a team of five scientists, including Gene Shoemaker (of comet Shoemaker-Levy fame), who argued that an electric discharge would be extremely hot—much hotter than lava—and that sensitive earth-based instruments have not detected such temperatures.  The debate, however, was never completed.  The journal Science decided against publishing Dr. Gold’s rejoinder.

Nevertheless, plasma theorist Anthony Peratt, together with the distinguished Professor A J Dessler, then at Rice University, followed up on Gold’s suggestion.  In the journal Astrophysics and Space Science, No. 144 (1988), the authors related the data on Io’s "volcanoes" to the experimental work of Hannes Alfvén, who had detailed the unique patterns of electrical discharge in laboratory experiments.

Peratt and Dessler recognized that the physics of Io’s plumes answered directly to Alfvén's earlier research on the plasma gun, a device for concentrating electrical energy in an explosive jet.  In fact, the plumes on Io exhibit all of the specific features of the "penumbra" produced by such a discharge, including distinctive filamentation within the plumes and termination in a thin symmetrical ring.  Even the ejection velocity of Io’s "volcano" Prometheus can be predicted by the formula for calculating discharge velocities in a plasma gun.  Describing the electrical phenomena in an article dedicated to Alfvén on his 80th birthday, Peratt and Dessler say, "The apparent filamentary penumbra on Io may be the first direct verification of the plasma gun mechanism at work in the solar system".

Years later, as the Galileo probe began returning data from the Jovian system, NASA scientists were surprised to discover that the plumes on Io were too hot to measure temperatures accurately. For proponents of the electric universe, this was no surprise: the Galileo instruments were designed to measure lava temperatures, not the temperatures of an electric discharge!

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http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041216io-series-3.htm



 Dec 16, 2004
Io's "Volcano" Prometheus

The photograph above was taken by the Galileo probe from a position over the plume of the “volcano” Prometheus on Jupiter’s moon Io, as it spewed material 100 kilometers (62 miles) into space. The NASA release in October, 2000 reported that the insets for this photograph “were acquired to search for and image the plume vent or vents. We expected to see a small crater surrounded by radial streaks, but no such central vent can be seen in these or other images.  Instead, we see bright streaks along the margins of the lava”.

In the electrical interpretation, the two bright spots in the highest resolution inset are cathode arcs seen diffusely through their jets, as they continue to encircle the darker area exposed by prior etching of the surface. The hot spots are exactly where the electric model, as proposed by Wallace Thornhill, had predicted. Finding no volcano, NASA scientists were left to speculate on how a “lava lake” could generate the observed plumes and jets many miles above the surface.

Over time, the fall of sulfur dioxide snow, resulting from the etching process, will cover the darker areas in the photograph. Electric theorists identify these regions as the burnt surface of the moon exposed beneath the “snow”, noting that these dark areas continually move with the movement of the Prometheus plume.  Since the Voyager observations in the late 1970s, Prometheus and the exposed regions have traveled more than 80 kilometers (50 miles)!

No doubt it was this discovery that inspired one plasma scientist to find humor in the standard theory of Io’s “volcanic” activity. “On Io, volcanoes go south for the winter”.

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[roaddog]

Hi Jackson, I read and looked at a lot of the EU therory, the pictures you posted above look more like some kind of pitting or electrolysis. nothing like the picture posted in the first post on this thread. i do think if there is electricity and lightning here it has to be out there also. I do a ton of welding for a living and i know how random arcs can be even at close range. still the only thing i've even seen that resembles the picture in the first post are weapons. i tend not to belive to much of what we are told anyway, such a global warming, H1N1. TPB are always trying to hide stuff and dish out the disinfo.  but there is a ton of info out there, we just have to decide what we want to believe or not. unless we have first hand expirience we'll never no for sure.

[Waipio]

Well I’ve been reading this thread for a while and find it kind of funny that when someone can’t make others see their way they resort to name calling. Although some remarks have been pretty darn funny and I do like to laugh.

But! I tend to think the Crater chain / solar system war theory presented by Gale and backed up by Norval seems to be more likely than the EU theory for a few reasons. First off for an arc to cause these HUGE crater chains the 2 bodies would have to be huge themselves, and the arc pretty darn big and bright. So let’s take our moon for example, with all the crater chains on the moon would the electric arc come from Earth? I doubt it; did it come from dark matter? I doubt it; did it come from the next closet plant? I doubt that, because astronomers over the last few hundred years have not seen any of these huge bolts of lightning striking the moon, or any other arcing between planets and moons.  Now you can’t say that the thunderbolts just went away that’s why there is no more arcing BUT you can say the war in the solar system is over.  I’m sure there is some arcing on a small scale like our lightning hear on earth but when it strikes is just a small hole not a crater that miles wide. As far as the arc scratching the surface, you wouldn’t have these round craters you would have a scrap or scratch mark.  For a thunderbolt to do this it would have to strike then stop then strike again then stop then strike again in a straight line. To me that seems like a controlled strike or possible weapon strikes.  I have seen pictures of weapon strikes as well as bomb strikes and these chains seem to resemble them but only on a larger scale.

Could it be meteors, comets or asteroids? I don’t think so. Unless they broke apart into equal size pieces and got one behind the other and hit in single file. It is pretty much impossible.  Now the crater chain pictures that Gale and Norval presented here shows the craters pretty much end to end and some overlapping. But the Shoemaker levy’s craters were hundreds if not thousands of miles apart.  That’s not a concise systematic crater chain.  Now obviously nobody has seen a thunderbolt make these craters. The only testing that has been done was on a very small scale and in a controlled environment and it did produce a crater like imprint in the sand but it didn’t make a concise systematic grater chain.  I have yet to see rocks pebbles or even bbs tossed, thrown or shot out of a straw make a concise systematic crater chain. They spread and look more like buckshot hitting the ground... But some weapons can make a concise systematic crater chain, bombs can, even gun shots can on a smaller scale So why would you think it couldn’t be caused by weapons?

Sounds a like  a reasonable  assessment.

[Gale]

As I have posted before, distance and vacuum nullify the EU theory.

[Jackson Holly]

As I have posted before, distance and vacuum nullify the EU theory.

What do you mean "distance"? You mean distance between planets/moons? That would seem to 'nullify' the gravity theory to me.

And "vacuum" (or near vacuum) ... why would this nullify the EU theories?

[Norval]

JH,
Since you have to ask those two questions it is obvious you don't even have a rudimentary knowledge of basic electricity.
Yet you seem to accept the EU bull shit!?!?!? 

While I am here to help ones learn about the "other" theory, (the one that nobody wants talked about in forums) of what may have caused these CSCCs, I am not here to educate you on what the governments want you to think nor on basic electrical principals. 

[Jackson Holly]

JH,
Since you have to ask those two questions it is obvious you don't even have a rudimentary knowledge of basic electricity.
Yet you seem to accept the EU bull shit!?!?!? 

While I am here to help ones learn about the "other" theory, (the one that nobody wants talked about in forums) of what may have caused these CSCCs, I am not here to educate you on what the governments want you to think nor on basic electrical principals. 

You are talking about alien warriors zapping Callisto and in the same breath say that electric discharges on a large scale is bullshit?

What is so alien and unbelievable about electricity?

[Norval]

Distance and vacume.
Too far away from each other, and no conductor. 

[Georgiacopguy]

I really hate to quote wiki on this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_arc

Distance and vacume.
Too far away from each other, and no conductor. 

A powerful enough eletrical source can arc across whatever gap, so long as there is a grounding source, but the key element would be the power source or emitter of the electrical charge.

[Jackson Holly]

Distance and vacume.
Too far away from each other, and no conductor. 

What conducts "gravity waves"?

[Gale]

What does gravity waves have to do with with distance and vacuum nullifying the EU theory?

[Norval]

Still trying to twist the topic we see. 

These types of CSCCs have nothing to do with electrical strikes nor gravity waves.

While everyone can see that CSCCs are most like our biggest bomb craters put all in a row, we have yet to see lightening cause one. 

[Jackson Holly]

Still trying to twist the topic we see. 

These types of CSCCs have nothing to do with electrical strikes nor gravity waves.

While everyone can see that CSCCs are most like our biggest bomb craters put all in a row, we have yet to see lightening cause one. 

I mentioned 'gravity waves' because you said about plasma arching between objects: "Too far away from each other, and no conductor." So I just wondered what you thought was 'conducting' weak gravity 'waves' through such great distances. Because once you can make the mental leap that the 'vacuum of space' is really not a vacuum at all and that space/plasma is charged electrically ... then your in-line craters and hundreds of other planetary surface 'anomalies' will make obvious sense ... no need to invent galactic wars ... lets leave that to Hollywood for the moment.



 

[Jackson Holly]

I mentioned 'gravity waves' because you said about plasma arching between objects: "Too far away from each other, and no conductor." So I just wondered what you thought was 'conducting' weak gravity 'waves' through such great distances. Because once you can make the mental leap that the 'vacuum of space' is really not a vacuum at all and that space/plasma is charged electrically ... then your in-line craters and hundreds of other planetary surface 'anomalies' will make obvious sense ... no need to invent galactic wars ... lets leave that to Hollywood for the moment.



 

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P  L  A  S  M  A

The Fundamental State of Matter

    Definitions

   When one or more of the outer (valence) electrons are stripped away from an atom we say the atom has become 'ionized'.  It then exhibits a net positive electrical charge, and is called a 'positive ion'.  On the other hand, if an extra electron is added onto a neutral atom, the combination then carries a net negative charge and is referred to as a 'negative ion'.  The electrical forces between dissimilar ions are orders of magnitude stronger than any mechanical force such as that produced by gravity. 

   An electrical plasma is a cloud of ions and electrons that, under the excitation of applied electrical and magnetic fields, can sometimes light up and behave in some unusual ways.  The most familiar examples of electrical plasmas are the neon sign, lightning, and the electric arc welding machine. The ionosphere of Earth is an example of a plasma that does not emit visible light.  Plasma permeates the space that contains our solar system. The cloud of particles that constitutes the solar 'wind' is a plasma.  Our entire Milky Way galaxy consists mainly of plasma.  In fact 99% of the entire universe is plasma!

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    History

   During the late 1800's in Norway, physicist Kristian Birkeland explained that the reason we could see the auroras was that they were plasmas. Birkeland also discovered the twisted corkscrew shaped paths taken by electric currents when they exist in plasmas.  Sometimes those twisted shapes are visible and sometimes not - it depends on the strength of the current density being carried by the plasma. Today these streams of ions and electrons are called Birkeland Currents. The mysterious sprites, elves, and blue jets associated with electrical storms on Earth are examples of Birkeland currents in the plasma of our upper atmosphere.

   In the early 20th century, Nobel laureat Irving Langmuir studied electric plasmas in his laboratory at General Electric; he further developed the body of knowledge Birkeland had initiated.  In fact it was he who first used the name 'plasma' to describe the almost lifelike, self-organizing behavior of these ionized gas clouds in the presence of electrical currents and magnetic fields.

      Basic Properties

            Modes of Operation

          There are three distinctly different steady state modes in which a plasma can operate:
         1. Dark Current Mode - The strength of the electrical current (flow of charged particles) within the plasma is very low. The plasma does not glow. It is essentially invisible. We would not know a plasma was there at all unless we measured its electrical activity with sensitive instruments.  The present day magnetospheres of the planets are examples of plasmas operating in the dark current mode.
         2. Normal Glow Mode - The strength of the electrical current (flow of charged particles) is significant.  The entire plasma glows.  The brightness of the glow depends on the intensity of the current in the plasma. Examples: Any neon sign. Emission nebulae. The Sun's corona.
         3. Arc Mode - The strength of the electrical current in the plasma is very high.  The plasma radiates brilliantly over a wide spectrum. Current tends to form twisting filaments. Examples of this mode of operation are: An electric arc welding machine. Lightning. The Sun's photosphere.

   In all three modes of operation, plasmas emit measurable electromagnetic radiation (radio frequency noise). At any given time, the current density (Amps per square meter) existing in the plasma, determines which particular mode a plasma is operating in.  The atomic structure of the gas that became ionized to form the plasma in the first place also is a factor in this.

        Double Layers

   One of the most important properties of any electrical plasma is its ability to "self-organize" - that is, to electrically isolate one section of itself from another. The isolating wall is called a double layer (DL). When a plasma is studied in the lab, it is usually contained in a closed cylindrical glass tube. Electrodes are inserted into the ends of the tube - one electrode (called the anode) is maintained at a higher voltage than the electrode at the other end (the cathode). If such a voltage difference is applied, then ionization will be initiated and current will start to flow through the plasma. Positive ions (atoms with one or more electrons stripped off) will migrate away from the anode, and negative ions (atoms carrying one or more extra electrons) will move toward the anode.  The mathematical sum of these two oppositely directed flows constitutes the total current in the plasma.

   If the voltage difference from one electrode to the other becomes large enough, a DL will form in a narrow cross-section somewhere in the middle of the tube. Almost all the voltage drop that is applied across the electrodes will fall across this DL. The plasma on one side of the DL (the side toward the anode) will have approximately the same voltage as the anode. The plasma on the cathode side of the DL will have essentially the same voltage as the cathode.  The two halves of the plasma are then electrically isolated from one another by the DL. No electrostatic force is felt by particles on one side of the DL due to charges on the other side of the DL. 

  The total electric current, however, is the same throughout the plasma (on both sides of the DL).  Plasmas are excellent conductors and, therefore, there will not be a significant voltage drop across them while they are carrying current - thus the need for the presence of the DL that 'takes' most of any externally applied voltage.  In other words, the DL is where the strongest electric fields in the plasma will be found.

   If a foreign object is inserted into a plasma, a DL will form around it, shielding it from the main plasma.  This effect makes it difficult to insert voltage sensing probes into a plasma in order to measure the electric potential at a specific location.  This is a well known property of plasmas.  Various methods have been developed in the laboratory to overcome it.

   In space, it is impossible to send a spacecraft to measure the voltage of the solar plasma at some point.  Voltage is a relative measure (like velocity, for example); it must be measured with respect to some datum.  A spacecraft will start out having the same voltage as the surface of Earth.  As it penetrates the plasmasphere and enters the solar plasma it will slowly accumulate charge and thus alter its voltage.  The strength of an electric field, however, can be measured in space.

    The Z-Pinch

   Electric current, passing through a plasma, will take on the corkscrew (spiral) shape discovered by Birkeland. These Birkeland currents most often occur in pairs. There is a tendency for these pairs to compress between them any material (ionized or not) in the plasma. This is called the "z-pinch" effect.  The ability of Birkeland currents to accrete and compress even non-ionized material is called "Marklund convection".

    Hannes Alfven and the 'Frozen-in Magnetic Fields'

  For years it was assumed that plasmas were perfect conductors and, as such, a magnetic field in any plasma would have to be 'frozen' inside it.

  The technical explanation is as follows: One of Maxwell's equations is that the curl of E is equal to  -dB/dt. Consequently, if the electric field, E, in a region is everywhere zero valued, then any magnetic field in that region must be time invariant (have a constant value).  So if all plasmas are ideal conductors (and so cannot have electric fields - that is to say, voltage differences - inside them), then any magnetic fields inside a plasma must be frozen - i.e., cannot move or change in any way.

  Now we know that there can be slight voltage differences between different points in plasmas.  Plasma engineer Hannes Alfvén pointed out this fact in his acceptance speech while receiving the Nobel Prize for physics in 1970.  The electrical conductivity of any material, including plasma, is determined by two factors: the density of the population of available charge carriers (the ions) in the material, and the mobility of these carriers. In any plasma, the mobility of the ions is extremely high. Electrons and ions can move around very freely in space. But the concentration (number per unit volume) of ions available to carry charge may not be at all high if the plasma is a very low pressure (diffuse) one.  So, although plasmas are excellent conductors, they are not perfect conductors.  Weak electric fields can exist inside plasmas.  Therefore, magnetic fields are not frozen inside them.

    Currents in Cosmic Sized Plasmas

    Because plasmas are good (but not perfect) conductors, they are equivalent to wires in their ability to carry electrical current.  It is well known that if any conductor cuts through a magnetic field, a current will be caused to flow in that conductor.  This is how electric generators and alternators work.  Therefore, if there is any relative motion between a cosmic plasma, say in the arm of a galaxy, and a magnetic field in that same location, Birkeland currents will flow in the plasma.  These currents will, in turn, produce their own magnetic fields.

  Plasma phenomena are scalable. That is to say, their electrical and physical properties remain the same, independent of the size of the plasma. Of course dynamic phenomena take much less time to occur in a small laboratory plasma than they do in a plasma the size, say, of a galaxy. But the phenomena are identical in that they obey the same laws of physics.  So we can make accurate models of cosmic sized plasmas in the lab - and generate effects exactly like those seen in space.  In fact, electric currents, flowing in plasmas, have been shown to produce most of the observed astronomical phenomena that are inexplicable if we assume that the only forces at work in the cosmos are magnetism and gravity.

      Why Do Astrophysicists Ignore Electrical Phenomena?

   When such a firm foundation has been laid for continued work in the electrical properties of the universe, why do "mainstream" astrophysicists continue to ignore this field of study and, instead, patch up their failing "gravity only" models with more and more arcane, invented theoretical fictions?  Why do conventional astronomers and cosmologists systematically exclude electric fields and currents from not only their consideration, but from their curricula?  Why do they intentionally ignore the fact that many here-to-fore "unexplained" phenomena are quite simply explained by recognizing the existence of electric fields and currents in solar and galactic plasma?

      The answer is this:

   Magnetism was known to exist in the middle ages. They knew, even back then, that a piece of iron could act on another - at a distance.

   But, the early astronomers (like their modern brethern) were simply unaware of electrical phenomena. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) had already mathematically explained the shape of the orbits of the planets when Isaac Newton published his treatise on gravity in 1687.  Once that occurred, nothing more was needed to explain and predict the planetary motions that could be observed in those days.  Everything was solved.

  This, of course, was all long before Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) flew his kite in a thunder storm or James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) developed his equations relating magnetic and electric fields.  But, electric fields were difficult to measure.  And astronomers didn't know they needed to know about them.  So, they never got included in the "accepted" model of how the solar system or the cosmos works.

  That is why, to this day, most astrophysicists have never taken courses in electromagnetic field theory or experimental plasma discharges.  They attempt to describe the actions of plasma by means of equations that are applicable only to fluids like water - and magnetic effects.  This is what Alfven called 'magneto-hydrodynamics'.  They do not realize, as he did, that the prefix 'magneto' implies 'electro'.  And that, in turn, explains why astrophysicists blithely talk about stellar winds, vortex trails, and bow shocks instead of electrical currents in plasmas, electrical fields, z-pinches, and double layers.  It also explains why they make wrong claims about how magnetic fields must pile-up, merge, and recombine -  they are simply uneducated in, and therefore understandably mystified by, this now well known area of engineering science.

      Recent Development!

   The American Institute of Physics has just recently announced that they will now officially recognize the Plasma Universe as an official field of study in physics! Eighty years late!  But better late than never.

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/electricplasma.htm

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[Norval]

I mentioned 'gravity waves' because you said about plasma arching between objects: "Too far away from each other, and no conductor." ... no need to invent galactic wars ... lets leave that to Hollywood for the moment./quote]

[Norval]

No I didn't type that. You are twisting my words, , , , , , again, , , , ,

I guess it is no wonder that you can't get things straight and why you can't seem to understand even the simple basics of trajectories.