Concise Systematic Crater Chains, Your Take?

[Waipio]

I dont have a firm opinion about this but interesting line of thought. People have told me before their is evidence of explosives used in war in ancient times but honestly I havent really looked into it too much. Its been said sodom and gomorrah used to stand where now there is the dead sea, i dunno..
 
Ancient Nuclear War?
by Manuel Sancho
Ancient Nuclear War? There is evidence that the Rama empire (now India) was devastated by nuclear war. The Indus valley is now the Thar desert, and the site of the radioactive ash found west of Jodhpur is around there. Consider these verses from the ancient (6500 BC at the latest) Mahabharata: ...a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour... a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds... ...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols... ..it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned As to be unrecognisable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected... ...to escape from this fire The soldiers threw themselves in streams To wash themselves and their equipment. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure. When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely. While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger. Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: "'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way." When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was, "Well, yes, in modern history." Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site. The destruction of the Biblical cities Sodom and Gomorrah (a dense column of smoke rose rapidly, a cloud rained burning sulfur, the surrounding soil was turned into sulfur and salt so that not even a blade of grass could grow there, and anyone in the vicinity turned to salt) sounds like a nuclear blast. If the pillars of salt at the end of the Dead Sea (which are still there today) were ordinary salt, they would have disappeared with the periodic rains. Instead, these pillars are of a special, harder salt, only created in a nuclear reaction such as an atomic explosion. Let's also look at Deuteronomy 32:32-33: "Their vine grows from the vine of Sodom, from the vineyards of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poison, and their clusters are bitter. Their wine is the venom of snakes, the deadly poison of vipers." Radioactive plants are known to be dangerous to eat. Other cities have been similarly destroyed: Admah and Zeboiim (Deuteronomy 29:23), Edom and Teman (Jeremiah:49:7-22), and Moab and Amman (Zephanian 2:9). (Why are these cities always destroyed in pairs?) In each account, there are references to Sodom and Gomorrah. We now know what happened to Babylon: "Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms, the flower of Chaldean culture, will be devastated like Sodom and Gomorrah when God destroyed them.

Babylon will never rise again. Generation after generation will come and go, but the land will never again be lived in. Nomads will refuse to camp there, and shepherds will not allow their sheep to stay overnight." --Isaiah, 13:19-20. The flood was the ending of the Ice Age, which meant the end of Atlantis. But there is a direct correlation between areas 4,920 feet or higher above sea level and centers of agriculture. Apparently the tsunamis didn't get any higher than that. Since there are very high mountains in the Rama Empire, it lasted until it was destroyed in nuclear war a thousand years after the "sinking" of Atlantis, so that would be 8600 BC. Since Babylon was destroyed in nuclear war, it must be a lot older than we think. The skeletons must appear younger to archaeologists, just like those in Mohenjo-Daro.

Thanks lost dog,

I like this part because it reveals insider knowledge, and it suggests what what they know.
 

Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: "'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way." When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was, "Well, yes, in modern history."

[Waipio]

I'm sorry, but that is just absurd to the extreme. Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space? Really? That's all that's talked about these days is aliens. You need to be scolding the governments of the world for hiding stuff from the public.

That's all that's talked about these days is aliens.

Sounds like a strawman....
this strawman:

Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space?

No one said that. You introduced it.

This thread is about recent war in solar system.

Amongst all the talk of "Aliens in space",  war in Sol System  is the one part of it that is mostly not talked about.  One example I gave was Hoagland hinting and  beating around the bush so  to speak, but never saying "War".

He and former head of Naval  Observatory Tom van Flandern discussed the asteroid belt and asked "What could explode a planet?"

Hoagland has yet to finish his article "Moon with a view"  about Saturn's artificial moon Iapetus. He hinted around "battleship" and years later he still  hasnt finished it.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

[Waipio]

Would it, or could it be, that you have no knowledge or experience with weapons, even computer games and simulations? Thus your inability to easily recognize these CSCCs as probable weapons strikes?

Why is it that in real life there is a 98% recognition of these CSCC images as made by intelligence, , , , ,
Yet, on the web there is a 98% denial that these CSCCs were made by intelligence?!?! 

That says far more than most want to admit. 

Speed traps are more effective when set on the  Highway.

More Info Police are seen on the Information Highway than in the lanes of real life

[Norval]

LeftyLeo,

"I'm sorry, but that is just absurd to the extreme. Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space? Really? That's all that's talked about these days is aliens. You need to be scolding the governments of the world for hiding stuff from the public."

That these ETs had a recent war in our solar system is what is NOT to be discussed. 
The way you twist our words is a well known forum tactic. That "pattern" is well known too.
The governments hide these facts because they were told to by their "owners". (Follow the money.)
Who do you think is at the top of that pyramid, controlling this planet? (For now , , , .)

Xfahctor,

"So, let me see if I can sum this up......
An ancient recent war in our solar system is the reason for craters/chain craters
you have no evidence to support your claim
there is a conspiricy to cover it up
anyone asking for evidence to support your claimed reason for the apearence of the craters is part of the cover up
Does that about sum it up?"

Fixed. 
Again. The way you twist our words is a well known forum tactic. That "pattern", as a dog, won't hunt.
Thanks for the well wishing.

Route24,
Like my fix?
When does "speculation" become a theory?   , , , and a theory become fact?

Jackson Holly,
"Surface features including the CSCC are not always from impact of solid objects ... HELLO."

Thank you for bringing that up, we too "speculate" about other types of technologically advanced weapons. Some of the surface features may have formed by energy beam weapons. We are just starting to make and use some of these kinds of weapons in our modern times.

Sea Yah around Dok, and thanks for all the "evidence". 

Waipio,
Nice one. (But Hoaglands images won't show up as he blocks off site usage.)

[xfahctor]

LeftyLeo,
That these ETs had a recent war in our solar system is what is NOT to be discussed. 
The way you twist our words is a well known forum tactic. That "pattern" is well known too.
The governments hide these facts because they were told to by their "owners". (Follow the money.)
Who do you think is at the top of that pyramid, controlling this planet? (For now , , , .)

Xfahctor,Fixed. 
Again. The way you twist our words is a well known forum tactic. That "pattern", as a dog, won't hunt.
Thanks for the well wishing.

Route24,
Like my fix?
When does "speculation" become a theory?   , , , and a theory become fact?

Jackson Holly,
"Surface features including the CSCC are not always from impact of solid objects ... HELLO."

Thank you for bringing that up, we too "speculate" about other types of technologically advanced weapons. Some of the surface features may have formed by energy beam weapons. We are just starting to make and use some of these kinds of weapons in our modern times.

Sea Yah around Dok, and thanks for all the "evidence". 

Waipio,
Nice one. (But Hoaglands images won't show up as he blocks off site usage.)

Recent....ancient....whats the difference? Seriously, what does that change? You still have no evidence to support your suspician. This isn't a "tactic", it's simple fact, you have nothing to support this.
 I did some browsing around the net. You guys have bedn pretty busy it seems. I have noticed you repeat this same pattern in every single forum you guys have visited with this, you present no evidence and when you are asked for evidence, you subtly hint that everyone who doesn't just take your word for it is part of the cover up. This is obsurd beyond obsurd. If you want this to be taken seriously, you have to provide evidence.
You ignore valid questons, you expect people to just take your word for it based on what you think the craters resemble, and then default to the "cover up" angle.

[Dok]

Sea Yah around Dok, and thanks for all the "evidence". 

sure, 

let us know when you feel like posting some. Id really like to see some.

[xfahctor]

When does "speculation" become a theory?   , , , and a theory become fact?

When you have evidence to support it.

[Jackson Holly]

Hoagland has yet to finish his article "Moon with a view"  about Saturn's artificial moon Iapetus. He hinted around "battleship" and years later he still  hasnt finished it.

I almost freaked out when I saw the first pics from NASA of Iapetus. 

It does look like the Death Star, for sure. But it's not ... it's an electrically configured object.

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Credit (left): NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute
Credit (upper right): C.J. Ransom
Credit (lower right): Mel Acheson

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050418iapetus.htm

(Please link to original for embedded corroborating links.)

 Apr 18, 2005
Equatorial Ridge of Iapetus

The distinctive ridge around Saturn’s moon Iapetus bears an eerie similarity to equatorial ridges around concretions on Earth. In electrical terms, the similarity could be more than coincidence.

Traditional thinking in the sciences would not recognize a significant pattern above, though the three objects reveal an odd similarity. Each sphere possesses an equatorial ridge.  But surely the two objects on the right could tell us nothing about the origins of the object on the left!

Astronomers assure us that Saturn’s moon Iapetus arose from the “circumstellar cloud” that gave birth to the Sun, planets, moons, and all of the lesser objects of the solar system. The critical event was the “gravitational collapse” of the primordial cloud billions of years ago. Since that event, little has changed in the make-up or in the celestial mechanics of the solar system.

Iapetus is a puzzle, however. The pronounced ridge around its equator has no place in the theory of gravitationally collapsing clouds.

Both objects on the right are called “concretions”, and their origins are also puzzling. The sandstone concretion (upper image) was found on a farm near the Red River in Texas, and the hematite Moqui marble was found in Utah (lower image). Concretions occur in abundance on our planet and have produced many speculations about their origins.

Certainly, in a gravity-only universe, there is no way to relate Iapetus to the formative processes of concretions. In size, the two are separated by up to eight orders of magnitude. Gravity is strong enough to form a sphere from a collection of matter the size of Iapetus, but there’s a lower limit to gravity’s ability to produce spherical shapes. (Asteroids and comet nuclei are below that limit and therefore seldom spherical.) And while geologists have hypothesized, but never demonstrated, the processes that form concretions, they have never suggested that such processes could give birth to Iapetus!

In the Electric Universe similarities across vastly different scales are to be expected. Plasma discharge structures do not change with increased size. A microscopic discharge in a lab plasma will have analogs on a galactic scale.

Plasma discharges create spheres. As noted in previous Pictures of the Day, Physicist C.J. Ransom has been making spheres in his laboratory (VEMASAT) by zapping various types of powdered rock with electrical sparks. When he zaps red hematite, he produces tiny grey hematite spheres, an order of magnitude smaller than Moqui marbles, but remarkably similar to the "blueberries" appearing in hematite layers on Mars. When he zaps powdered basalt, he produces obsidian spheres.

The electrical theorists expect analogs on a larger scale because they believe that electric discharge gave birth to stars and planets. Within this framework, equatorial ridges become an important clue, posing a question for experimental research. Can plasma discharge, acting on loose debris, form ridges around the created spheres? In high-energy electric discharge experiments, an equatorial, donut-like torus typically appears at the focal point of the magnetic “pinch”. Similarly, in the hour-glass configurations of various planetary nebulas, a tightly-bound torus appears around the pinch point. Could equatorial ridges on both Iapetus and the concretions above be the signature left by a torus at the higher energy levels of Peratt’s experiments, in contrast to the relatively low energy levels of Ransom’s experiments?

From an electric point of view, spheres with equatorial ridges underscore the importance of experimental research into the nature of concretions. There are questions to ask, experiments to design, and patterns to look for. Significant patterns already observed include concentric layering of different materials, radial structures, and polar markings. Similarities with tektites, glassy spherules whose origin is currently unknown, raise intriguing questions and suggest a family of experimental investigations. (Read more in a following TPOD.)

One conclusion we can safely draw is this: The mechanical and gravitational theories offered to explain round rocks of various sizes do not warrant the exclusive acceptance they have received from the scientific mainstream. Other possibilities, arising from the plasma universe, must now be considered.

Ransom is planning future experiments with other substrates. He will be presenting a paper about these experiments to the American Physical Society this week (April 19, 2005). The abstract for that paper, showing that electric discharge can produce some of the mysterious spheres found on Earth without water (the usual explanation), can be seen here.

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[Norval]

While the Info Police prattle on about no evidence, let's remind them of the facts.

1. Concise and Systematic Crater Chains resemble weapons strikes more than anything else as proved by known weapons.
2. CSCCs more than qualify as a "signal" from ET according to the stated requirements to be recognized as a signal by S.E.T.I.
3. The images of CSCCs were intentionally kept from public till TPTB had a plausible, specious, cause for them.
4. The evidence by astronomers that Mars greatly transformed it's appearance in the late 1800's to the middle 1900's.
5. That the Info Police are on this information like stink on poo.

You should actually do your own research instead of just quoting the same old arguments and thread disrupters guys.

[xfahctor]

My responses in bold

While the Info Police prattle on about no evidence, let's remind them of the facts.

You believe me to be the "info police"? You know me somehow?

1. Concise and Systematic Crater Chains resemble weapons strikes more than anything else as proved by known weapons.

yes, I believe you have asserted this already, hence your suspicians.

2. CSCCs more than qualify as a "signal" from ET according to the stated requirements to be recognized as a signal by S.E.T.I.

How so?

3. The images of CSCCs were intentionally kept from public till TPTB had a plausible, specious, cause for them.

So what about the million or so astronomers world wide who can see the same things through their own telescopes? How do you hide these things from them? DO you believe only the powers that be can look up there and see things?

4. The evidence by astronomers that Mars greatly transformed it's appearance in the late 1800's to the middle 1900's.

ok, thats a start.....lets see what ya got on it. What evidence are you speaking about? what astronomers are you speaking of? And do their observations concure with what astronomers (not nasa) know today and observe on Mars with much more powerfull telescopes available to them than existed in the late 1800's?

5. That the Info Police are on this information like stink on poo.

Again, who are the "info police"?

You should actually do your own research instead of just quoting the same old arguments and thread disrupters guys.

No, you are presenting the idea, it's up to you to defend it and provide evidence.

[Waipio]

I almost freaked out when I saw the first pics from NASA of Iapetus. 

It does look like the Death Star, for sure. But it's not ... it's an electrically configured object.

close up of ridge:

[Waipio]

Hey xfahctor,

quote=xfahctor   

I did some browsing around the net. You guys have been pretty busy it seems. I have noticed you repeat this same pattern in every single forum you guys have visited with this....


While browsing around the net... did you also notice a pattern of (sometimes) quickly deleting these threads and swiftly perma-banning not only the authors, but also people who agree with them ? That has happened at forums about  ET,  UFOs, etc. 
Seem odd to you? 


You believe me to be the "info police"? You know me somehow?

It is their tactics that expose the InfoCops. They are sometimes also known to work in teams.

Hey Lefty and Dok,

quote=Lefty:
"Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space?"

( This topic is re hiding war, not re hiding aliens )
That strawman fell flat on its face. What was the point Lefty?

quote=Dok on November 12, 2009, 06:07:48 AM
still a natural explanation, that is WAY more believable, than aliens.


Dok, what was the point of posting those SL9 images (post #10) and other "Crater Chains on the Earth and Moon" (post #89) images, when none of that fits the definition of  CSCC ? 

xfahctor,
Are you satisfied with this earlier portion?

quote=xfahctor
They already have a quite plausable and demonstrated explanation, asteroids and other debre.

If we are trying to determian the cause of these craters in a scientific manner,

(Thanks but I asked for an explanation of how these straight line CSCC would occur in  nature. )

"Spaghetification",  did  not satisfy. Plus the omission of uniformity and the omission of fragment spread were problem issues. 

I was still waiting to hear a satisfactory explanation re how nature causes CSCC,

Did  I miss it?  Sorry if I did.  Thanks.


Xfahctor,

re  InfoCops... a type of troll

9-11 Truthers  know about InfoCops

Here is just one page about spotting trolls and their tactics:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2302.0;wap2

[xfahctor]

Are you satisfied with this earlier portion?

"Spaghetification",  did  not satisfy. Plus the omission of uniformity and the omission of fragment spread were problem issues. 
I was still waiting to hear a satisfactory explanation re how nature causes CSCC,

Did  I miss it?  Sorry if I did.  Thanks.


Xfahctor,

re  InfoCops... a type of troll

9-11 Truthers  know about InfoCops

Here is just one page about spotting trolls and their tactics:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2302.0;wap2

Um, do you know anything about astronomy dude? I can't explain it any simpler than I already have and I am not about to let some little noobie punk like yourself get under my skin with this "info-cop troll" crap either, it's weak, it's juvenile and it demonstrates a complete lack of ability to carry on a substatiative discussion. Now why don't you do yourself a favor and go learn a little something about our solar system and quit getting your astronomy information from youtube and psudeo-science pushers.

 I thought perhaps someone had something new to offer, I guess I was wrong so once again, I'm out of this discussion. I'll leave you guys to the wolves of the forum.
 
Sane, their all yours, enjoy.

[Waipio]

Thanks xfahctor,

No offense or anything and btw I was not suggesting you were a troll or one of the Thought Police. I was just responding to your question about InfoCops. They are out there. We have seen them in 9-11 discussions  and other discussions here and elsewhere.

I guess no point in again asking you how in nature etc etc...

But I did want to ask your opinion of that triple ring thing around Iapetus's middle...what do you think it is?

I mean do you think it is natural, or  possibly evidence of intelligence at work?

Dok?  Lefty?  What is that thing on Iapetus?

What you think about Iapetus,  Sane?

[Waipio]

Hey twice I posted those pics of the triple ring on Iapetus. I see them visible here for a while, then later they are not  in those posts #121 and 130

Maybe they are on rubber bands which yank them back  to Hoagland's site after a while.

If anyone wishes to explain the triple ring thing on Iapetus, the detail pics can be seen at this page:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

edit:
Weird...the pics are back....just now I  saw them above, right after posting this.

[Kilika]

Hey Lefty and Dok,


Quote
quote=Lefty:
"Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space?"

( This topic is re hiding war, not re hiding aliens )
That strawman fell flat on its face. What was the point Lefty?

The point was that Norval was saying Christians are trying to hide the topic of aliens, and I disagreed. Outside of that silly notion, this whole topic is silly. You can't live your lives right here on earth, and your concerned about some rock out in space?

Poor priorities.

What's that thing on Iapetus? I don't know and don't care because it's irrelevant to life on earth. Just a humanist/scientist distraction.

[Dok]

Quote Waipio
quote=Dok on November 12, 2009, 06:07:48 AM
still a natural explanation, that is WAY more believable, than aliens.


Dok, what was the point of posting those SL9 images (post #10) and other "Crater Chains on the Earth and Moon" (post #89) images, when none of that fits the definition of  CSCC ?

uhm, you have something thats going to makes craters in a line, and then you have craters in a line. 

[xfahctor]

Hey twice I posted those pics of the triple ring on Iapetus. I see them visible here for a while, then later they are not  in those posts #121 and 130

Maybe they are on rubber bands which yank them back  to Hoagland's site after a while.

If anyone wishes to explain the triple ring thing on Iapetus, the detail pics can be seen at this page:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

edit:
Weird...the pics are back....just now I  saw them above, right after posting this.

Theres part of your problem right there.

[Georgiacopguy]

My theory for the crater chanes, not the canals on Mars is that they may be representative of glancing blows by meteorites which impact the planetary body at an angle, not dead on, which causes a tumbling motion/ impact.

[Gale]

Well I come back after a few hours and the thread has gone to hell in a hand basket, again. The disruptor's are doing their best to hijack and  side track. Norval even re-posted the facts.

[Jackson Holly]

Why were the aliens blasting lifeless, airless planets in the outback of the solar system?

[Georgiacopguy]

So me posting a theory on your original question is somehow taking the conversation off track? Ohhh wait, if it doesnt involve lasers, aliens, and some sort of imaginary war, you dont want to hear it. Get your head back in reality you cretin.

Well I come back after a few hours and the thread has gone to hell in a hand basket, again. The disruptor's are doing their best to hijack and  side track. Norval even re-posted the facts.

[xfahctor]

 Back to answer a serious charge.....
Gale, Norval,
you have gone from presenting an idea for consideration and questioning...to out right acusing people of being part of a cover up because they ask legitimate questions about your idea, demand legitmate answers and present counter information. I would suggest you two re think your tactics if you want to be taken seriously. I would also suggest that this is why you keep getting laughed out of or tossed out of every forum you post this in. If you are at all serious about persuing this theory, I would suggest you keep it in the realm of serious scientific discussion of the relevent facts, present evidence and answer questions asked of you. I would also suggest that you do some serious studying of astronomy, so at least you can sound like you know what your talking about.
 If you are only here to stir up trouble and make fools of yourself, your doing just fine, but DO NOT come in to a forum, especialy as a new member and start acusing long time members of being "info cops". You both have demonstrated a glaring lack of knowlege in astronomy and a glaring lack of ability to intelligently present an idea and defend it.

[Jackson Holly]

JH:

"Why were the aliens blasting lifeless, airless planets in the outback of the solar system?"

Norval:

Very interesting wording in the way you ask your question. Yet that is not what this thread was about.

Hey, I much appreciate your online manner ... thanks for being civil!

I think the question is relevant ... if there was a war, who were they blasting? There seem to be CSCC and many other anomalous surface features everywhere you look. Does your interplanetary war theories get into, "war with whom?".

What is your take on the 'electrical universe' explanations for the CSCC? Are you just sticking with the 'craters in a row' features and ignoring the other non-impact features?

[Waipio]

Yes those Iapetus pics are from Hoagland site.

Theres part of your problem right there.

Thanks xfahctor,
Yes Hoagland sure is a character to say the least. There must be threads somewhere about Hoagland.

The Iapetus pic came from NASA's unmanned spacecraft called  Cassini.

Since you said that  "If we are trying to determian the cause of these craters in a scientific manner..." ....


Can you please just give me your opinion about the triple ring thing around Iapetus's middle? The NASA pics clearly show an equatorial ring, maybe 12 miles tall. You can see three parallel  rings actually.

Does it look natural to you?
 

 

[Waipio]

uhm, you have something thats going to makes craters in a line, and then you have craters in a line. 

Nah

the CSCC are in a straight line

that is the point  here.

Your lines are crooked.

[Dok]

Nah

the CSCC are in a straight line

that is the point  here.

Your lines are crooked.

we really dont know as it impacted a gas giant didnt it. The ones on Earth are eroded and only a couple are left, also no ones really investigated the ones on Earth. We do have an atmosphere here which tends to break down craters.

What i do know is that it in NO WAY shows any evidence what so ever of space aliens or space ships.  guess they could becaused by Maitreyas space ships  or the 15 mile long rescue ships parked out by Uranus and Neptune. 

It would really help if they wuld post some evidence for alien space weapons instead of crying conspiracy bcause people ask questions.

[Waipio]

quote= Lefty

quote=waipio
( This topic is re hiding war, not re hiding aliens )
That strawman fell flat on its face. What was the point Lefty?

The point was that Norval was saying Christians are trying to hide the topic of aliens, and I disagreed.

I looked..Twice.   No one said that.

[Waipio]

we really dont know as it impacted a gas giant didnt it. The ones on Earth are eroded and only a couple are left, 

Seems that your pics disagree with you

Seems that all your lines are crokked

[Jackson Holly]

People well-read in the EU/Plasma explanation and other electrical techs know that plasma discharges often show straight line effects ... as well as curves, dendrites, grapeshot, etc ... a whole range of surface features:


A trench from lightning strike.

http://weatherthings.com/LightningTrench.html

[Dok]

Seems that your pics disagree with you

Seems that all your lines are crokked

i have presented a plausible explanation, et tu?

Aliens did it

Oh oK. 

[Waipio]

Geogiacopyguy,  Jackson H, and Route24

Since you seem interested in this topic, what is your take on that triple ring thing  girdling  Iapetus?

Possibly  intelligence involved,  or natural structure?

Anybody else reading here care to answer please?

If the pics are not showing here, (post 121 and 130) you can see them here:
(bash Hoagland if you must, but they are NASA pics)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

[Norval]

WOW ! ! the board ate my post from before. 

Xfahctor,
If the shoe fits, , , , , , but, really, that is only your opinion. Now you are trying the tactic of bashing the poster as you were unable to bash the stated evidence and facts we have posted here at Prison Planet. These posting methodologies are well known and you have tried many of them to no avail. I hope you enjoy our future threads and the evidence we will provide that show why we "speculate" about these Info Police, or as we call them Information Acquisition and Control (IAC) agents, whomever they may be.

Jackson Holly,
"Why were the aliens blasting lifeless, airless planets in the outback of the solar system?"

Very interesting wording in the way you ask your question. Yet that is not what this thread was about.

Concise Systematic Crater Chains, Your Take?
Chemicalrain, LeftyLeo, Xfahctor, Dok, Route24, Jackson Holly,
Uhhhhmmm K, thanks for "Your Take".

1. Concise and Systematic Crater Chains resemble weapons strikes more than anything else as proved by known weapons.
2. CSCCs more than qualify as a "signal" from ET according to the stated requirements to be recognized as a signal by S.E.T.I.
3. The images of CSCCs were intentionally kept from public till TPTB had a plausible, specious, cause for them.
4. The evidence by astronomers that Mars greatly transformed it's appearance in the late 1800's to the middle 1900's.
5. That the Info Police are on this information like stink on poo.

Georgiacopguy, Yes, that possibility was also looked into but won't work. The craters are not shaped nor spaced to indicate that happening. Keep thinking though.
Lostdog2323, yes, this thread showed many things, watch what happens in the new threads.
Scoffer, Thanks for that advice. We are very familiar with those posting tactics.

[Jackson Holly]

Geogiacopyguy,  Jackson H, and Route24

Since you seem interested in this topic, what is your take on that triple ring thing  girdling  Iapetus?

Possibly  intelligence involved,  or natural structure?

Anybody else reading here care to answer please?

If the pics are not showing here, you can see them here:
(bash Hoagland if you must, but they are NASA pics)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

I tried to address that ... I don't think anyone paid any attention, though:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143708.msg872937#msg872937

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Plasma (lightning) discharges work the same way regardless of the scale we are looking at. It is my understanding that equatorial ridges around spheres (spherules) are not at all uncommon. You just have to get past the idea that planets/objects in space are always caused by gravity sucking/coalescing gases into a spherical mass.

[Waipio]

i have presented a plausible explanation, et tu?

I dont think so Dok.  As explained above; uneven spacing, crooked lines, lack of uniformity.... do not explain CSCC.

Aliens did it

Did I say that?  (no)

Oh oK. 

Can you give your opinion of the triple ring structure around Iapetus....natural, or possibly intelligence involved?

[Waipio]

quote=waipio
Dok, what was the point of posting those SL9 images (post #10) and other "Crater Chains on the Earth and Moon" (post #89) images, when none of that fits the definition of  CSCC ? 

All your lines are crooked Dok.

we really dont know as it impacted a gas giant didnt it.  
 

There  you go again  ignoring thousands of kilometers of fragment spread as was clearly explained by Gale in post #11

Why do you do that?

PS;
if you post again here, could you please answer whether  you think those three rings around Iapetus  appear natural or not?

[Georgiacopguy]

I lost interest in your efforts of mental masturbation when you off handedly dismissed my theory without any effort whatsoever in debate or factual, rational reasoning, preferring to massage your ego with your wackadoo Hoagland-esque theories. So please, don't let me interupt, as you were.

Geogiacopyguy,  Jackson H, and Route24

Since you seem interested in this topic, what is your take on that triple ring thing  girdling  Iapetus?

Possibly  intelligence involved,  or natural structure?

Anybody else reading here care to answer please?

If the pics are not showing here, (post 121 and 130) you can see them here:
(bash Hoagland if you must, but they are NASA pics)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

[Waipio]

I tried to address that ... I don't think anyone paid any attention, though:

Jackson H,

In your post I saw where it addressed "the pronounced ridge around its equator"

I did not see where it addresses the triple parallel ring seen in the enlarged pics. Maybe the author of your item from thunderbolts had not seen the enlarged pics that revealthe triple parallel ring structure girdling Iapetus?

Does the triple parallel ring structure seem natural to you?

I lost interest in your efforts of mental masturbation when you off handedly dismissed my theory without any effort whatsoever in debate or factual, rational reasoning, preferring to massage your ego with your wackadoo Hoagland-esque theories. So please, don't let me interupt, as you were.

Georgiacopyguy,

I did not dismiss your theory. Sorry I did not share my thoughts about it sooner. To me your theory for sure sounds good for creating craters and gouges and I would bet it probably has happened just as you describe. Maybe there would be some  elongation of the shape those craters / gouges, depending on the angle of your "glancing blows" and "tumbling".

I'd say good thinking. I appreciate your adding to discussion.

However I dont see it causing the uniformity in size and spacing and shape of CSCC.

quote=Georgiacopyguy
My theory for the crater chanes, not the canals on Mars is that they may be representative of glancing blows by meteorites which impact the planetary body at an angle, not dead on, which causes a tumbling motion/ impact.

May I ask if you'd  please give your opinion the NASA/Cassini pic of the triple parallel ring structure girdling Iapetus?

You think it is a natural structure?

[Jackson Holly]

Jackson H,

In your post I saw where it addressed "the pronounced ridge around its equator"

I did not see where it addresses the triple parallel ring seen in the enlarged pics. Maybe the author of your item from thunderbolts had not seen the enlarged pics that revealthe triple parallel ring structure girdling Iapetus?

Does the triple parallel ring structure seem natural to you?

Is this the closeup you were referencing with your 'triple ring structure' question?



As I remember, the ridge doesn't go all the way around ... about halfway I believe - that might be a problem for a Death Star design.

Secondly, I'm not seeing a triple ring design ... but I do see striations, etc, throughout the mountain range. It is SHOCKING, I admit ... and it was very worrying to me at first ... and was one of the things that led me to the EU explanation ... because nothing I can find in standard geology, etc, explains it to me.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > REMEMBER THE MARTIAN TUBES?

Now, there was something else that shook my world .... 



Hi-Rez:
http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228c.jpg

More Hi-Rez here:
http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/m15012/m1501228.html
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I was convinced that they MUST be remnants of a dead civilization ...
what else COULD it be?

  They are no doubt GLASS Fulgurites, created from the Martian sands through gigantic plasma discharges ... 'lightning bolts', probably between planets .. or perhaps from the sun. The Earth has much of the similar effect, from very tiny to the very large:

http://images.google.com/images?q=fulgurites&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi


Small fulgurite tube


Fulgurite from lightning strike


Fulgurite cave remains once glass is removed

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Now imagine the same thing on a massive scale ...
XmillionsX more energy.

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ELECTRIC CAVERNS




Conventional geologists claim that water sculpts the interior of caves over eons of time. Could electricity have formed some of them in an instant?

PreviousThunderbolts Picture of the Day articles have addressed the evidence for electrical scarring on Earth. We have suggested that many formations are not the result of geological forces acting on stone with slow, steady modification but are the result of massive plasma energies on a scale that defies convention. Electric arcs and glow-mode discharges may have excavated canyons, carved-out craters and pulled gigantic uplifts out of the ground, compressing them into features such as Shiprock and the Brandberg Massif.

The same powerful strokes that may have carved the Grand Canyon out of living rock could have created other structures that are normally thought to be from liquid erosion: caves and caverns.

As electric discharges pass through rock strata, they follow the path of greatest electrical conductivity. They sometimes leave extraordinary evidence of their passage in the form of Lichtenberg figures etched into soils and rocks. They are filamentary and feathery in appearance, with finely divided tendrils at their leading edges. The branching configuration results from the electric current dissipating as it travels through the material, seeking its most conductive pathway.

Another unique aspect to plasma is that it forms "tufts" and "blooms" of electricity as the current erupts out of the discharge electrode. Tufts can be seen in the "plasma sphere" devices that are marketed to the consumer. Of course, the most common example of a plasma discharge is a lightning bolt.

Huge caverns are found everywhere on Earth. While it is true that soft limestone is easily dissolved by the weak carbonic acid solution that constitutes rainwater, the majority of caverns contain mineralogical samples that cannot be defined through the corrosive action of rain or flowing water, leaving open the possibility that some other force was involved.

In the image at the top of the page an almost unbelievable demonstration of our primary hypothesis can be seen. The recent discovery of Giant Crystals Cave in the Naica Mine of Chihuahua, Mexico has stunned scientists. The cave is filled with mineral deposits of enormous size, as well as with delicate flowers and wisps of crystal so fine that a breath will shatter them.

The crystalline shapes are formed out of semiconductor materials: selenite, calcium carbonate, silicon dioxide and lead sulfides. The crystal matrix shown above is an example of the "spray" that might have been created when a powerful electric current exploded out of the rock face into a void beneath the surface.

The nuclei of charged particles could have been carried along with the current flow and either ionized by the passage of electricity, or forced out of solution within the solid medium. The filaments of energy flew out of a central point and then crossed empty air seeking the path of least resistance, whereupon they continued into the stone, impacting at multiple locations. Wherever the electric arcs passed they left behind consolidated crystals condensed along their interior trackways.

One significant aspect to Giant Crystals Cave is that it is bone dry, with little evidence to imply that it was melted out of the rock by flowing water. Coupled with the lack of moisture, we find nothing in traditional scientific theory that explains how water causes the precipitation of 12-meter crystals along all orthogonal axes.

Jenolan Caves near Sydney, Australia is another instance where formations exist that are difficult to explain according to standard theories. Clear helicites grow everywhere with mind-boggling shapes that defy gravity. Some of the chambers within the cave complex are etched with Lichtenberg figures and upright columns of translucent gypsum crystal.

Fulgurites, or the fused trackway of lightning bolts through refractory minerals, are common in Jenolan and in most other caverns. Could stalactites and stalagmites found therein actually be the remains of fulgurites? As we have suggested in the past, some geographical features, like rivers, may have "adopted" discharge channels after they were excavated by a plasma blast. Perhaps drops of water roll down stalactites after their formation as fulgurites?

Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico is filled with formations that are nearly identical to Jenolan and the Naica Mine. It is a moist cave, but the water flow is isolated and does not reach many areas where there are significant anomalies. Along the floor and up the walls in one of its vast rooms are thickets of gypsum blossoms like small crystal bushes. Merely walking too close is enough for them to collapse with tiny tinkling sounds.

Lechuguilla possesses "boreholes" as well. One of the largest is a horizontal tunnel that penetrates for miles into the rock. The LeBarge borehole exhibits what Electric Universe theorists might call a helical shape - the sign of a spinning electric arc blasting out the material as it spiraled through the strata.

In another part of Mexico is Sotano de las Golondrinas, or Cave of Swallows. It is a favorite place for B.A.S.E. (Buildings Antennas Spans Earth) jumpers because it is 875 meters deep. The Cave of Swallows is similar to the "skylights" that have been discovered on Mars.

Electric arcs as lighting bolts are mainly vertical strikes. They are filaments of charged particles rotating around an empty center with multiple energetic strands. A lighting bolt averages 1.5 X 10^11 watts in a spilt second as it blisters through the air. They will sometimes form craters if they hit sufficiently conductive surfaces since they spin down into the material. If they hit a resistive layer, they will spread out and create shallow Lichtenberg figures. Since the Electric Universe model predicts electricity from space, could the holes, caverns, caves and tunnels we find here on Earth be the forensic evidence left by the "thunderbolts of the gods"?

Written by Stephen Smith from an idea submitted by Eric Aitchison

~~~~~>Many corroborating linx: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071207caverns.htm

[Norval]

While some still keep thinking that electrical bolts may cause a CSCC, we have yet to see one at the size of these CSCCs.
Show me? You can't.

While some think that a broken comet may cause a CSCC, we have yet to see one do it. The scientists admit that their computer models will not make a CSCC pattern.
Show me? You can't.

The one thing that will cause these CSCCs, as we know from experience, are weapons. That is a fact.
We have the technology to duplicate these CSCC patterns.
We have the proof and the evidence of that in all kinds of war documentaries.

As most of the space exploration pictures are run through Department of Defense censors, artists "sanitizing" the images to be shown to the public, we are lucky to find the truth at all. IF, and I do mean IF, there was a recent war in our solar system you can bet your bottom dollar that the Info Police (IAC agents) are going to be all over this, , , , and so it seems, they are. It would stand to reason that this kind of information would scare the hell out of the world in general, , , , if true, if it were to get out and be seriously talked about.

If indeed someone wants to discuss the true potential of such a recent war in our solar system and it's cover up and probable impact on the world, and I think people should, then let's try that.