Concise Systematic Crater Chains, Your Take?

[Waipio]

Quote from: Waipio on Today at 02:18:44 PM

Thanks.
I dont see any evidence of breakup / fragment spread in those CSCC 

Ok then, what would you expect to see as evidence of fragmenting and spreading?

In post #11, Shoemaker Levy  "Gang of Four",....impacts not in a line and  and unevenly spread across thousands of kilometers
In post #9, and in post #30, there was this:

[Jackson Holly]

Open question: Are all craters on Mars, for instance, impact craters?

[Waipio]

Ok then, what would you expect to see as evidence of fragmenting and spreading?
 

Sorry  forget this one from post #11

Quote from: xfahctor on November 13, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
They already have a quite plausable and demonstrated explanation, asteroids and other debre.

How would they cause CSCC?

[xfahctor]

I dont see how it is an explanation at all;

* the impacts are not in a line.
* they are unevenly spread over thousands of kilometers

aGAIN, yes they are spread out...spagetification...from jupiters heavy gravity..And so what if all of them weren't in a line....there are many that ARE in line...like many of the impact craters we do see, many in a line...but that doesn't mean that EVERY PIECE that impacted was in that line,there were probably many that impacted in different areas along side with them....there are craters all over the place.
 And Once again I ask you.......
What evidence do you have besides, the resemblence  of the craters to munitions craters that demonstrate these craters originate from alien weapon strikes?

[Waipio]

Open question: Are all craters on Mars, for instance, impact craters?

Cannot say.

Havent seen all of them.

[Norval]

aGAIN, yes they are spread out...spagetification...from jupiters heavy gravity..And so what if all of them weren't in a line....there are many that ARE in line...like many of the impact craters we do see, many in a line...but that doesn't mean that EVERY PIECE that impacted was in that line,there were probably many that impacted in different areas along side with them....there are craters all over the place.
 And Once again I ask you.......
What evidence do you have besides, the resemblence  of the craters to munitions craters that demonstrate these craters originate from alien weapon strikes?

Why, , ,, would you need more evidence?

[Waipio]

Quote from: Waipio on Today at 05:13:14 PM
I dont see how it is an explanation at all;

* the impacts are not in a line.
* they are unevenly spread over thousands of kilometers

aGAIN, yes they are spread out...spagetification...from jupiters heavy gravity..And so what if all of them weren't in a line....there are many that ARE in line...like many of the impact craters we do see, many in a line...but that doesn't mean that EVERY PIECE that impacted was in that line,there were probably many that impacted in different areas along side with them....there are craters all over the place.

OK thanks. That means that they are not CSCC because they are not all in line.
 

And Once again I ask you.......
What evidence do you have besides, the resemblence  of the craters to munitions craters that demonstrate these craters originate ?

No one has been able  to explain how CSCC occur in nature from asteroids or debris, or otherwise.

BTW  I  think that the theory says  ET,  rather than  from "from alien weapon strikes".

[Gale]

the stronger the gravity, the closer the object or piece of an object is to stronger gravity, the more spread you get, lower gravity effects them less so the spread will be far less and the impactws more uniform-ish.

You're ignoring uniformity. Any body breaking up would not and as illustrated by SL9, would not be uniform in size. They are not uniform in spacing. They are not uniform in impact timing so subsequent impacts would fill in previous impacts. All contrary to established facts of CSCC's.

[trailhound]

Interesting. I dont really have a comment at this time but want to keep up with this thread.

[Dok]

Crater Chains on the Earth and Moon


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Summary of Paper (Icarus, in press):
Recent reports suggest that crater chains exist on Earth, possibly formed by weak asteroids or comets tidally stretched apart by the Moon (analogous to comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 at Jupiter) with the resulting fragment trains proceeding directly to strike the Earth. By modeling tidal disruption by the Earth and Moon of particulate bodies held together by self-gravity, we find that the formation rate of crater chains on the Moon is ~10 times the corresponding terrestrial rate. The number of known lunar crater chains (~1) and the relative youth of the Earth's surface together suggest that terrestrial crater chains, if they exist, form by another process.

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Possible Crater Chains on the Earth?

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A crater chain is a regularly spaced row of three or more impact craters with similar sizes and apparently identical ages. A crater chain is formed when an asteroid or comet with low tensile strength is pulled apart by tides during a close approach to a planet, separating into a train of fragments which hit a moon of the planet rather than escaping to interplanetary space. Comet P/Shoemaker-Levy-9 provided a striking demonstration of tidal disruption during its penultimate encounter with Jupiter in 1992, and chains of craters probably formed by the impacts of fragment chains similar to that of SL9 have been found on Jupiter's Galilean satellites and on the Earth's Moon.

Possible crater chain stretching across Missouri:


Recent work indicates that crater chains may exist on Earth as well. Eight circular depressions (3-17 km wide) distributed along a 700 km line across Kansas, Missouri, and Illinois may comprise part of a crater chain (M.R. Rampino and T. Volk (1996) Geophys. Res. Lett. 23, p. 49.) Two of the eight structures (Decaturville and Crooked Creek in Missouri) are known from field studies to be impact craters ~300 Myr old.



Possible crater chain located by radar in Chad:


A second study using radar imagery of the 17 km diameter, 360 Myr old Aorounga impact crater in northern Chad discovered a ~10 km wide circular structure adjacent to the Aorounga crater and a second, less distinct feature somewhat displaced from the line defined by the other two {S.C. Ocampo and K.O. Pope (1996) Lunar Planet. Sci. XXVII p. 977). Field work to verify that the new structures are impact craters has not been attempted, but it is possible that they and Aorounga are members of a crater chain.

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~bottke/crater_chain/chain.html

[trailhound]

I dont have a firm opinion about this but interesting line of thought. People have told me before their is evidence of explosives used in war in ancient times but honestly I havent really looked into it too much. Its been said sodom and gomorrah used to stand where now there is the dead sea, i dunno..
 
Ancient Nuclear War?
by Manuel Sancho
Ancient Nuclear War? There is evidence that the Rama empire (now India) was devastated by nuclear war. The Indus valley is now the Thar desert, and the site of the radioactive ash found west of Jodhpur is around there. Consider these verses from the ancient (6500 BC at the latest) Mahabharata: ...a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour... a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds... ...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols... ..it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned As to be unrecognisable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected... ...to escape from this fire The soldiers threw themselves in streams To wash themselves and their equipment. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure. When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely. While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger. Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: "'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way." When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was, "Well, yes, in modern history." Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site. The destruction of the Biblical cities Sodom and Gomorrah (a dense column of smoke rose rapidly, a cloud rained burning sulfur, the surrounding soil was turned into sulfur and salt so that not even a blade of grass could grow there, and anyone in the vicinity turned to salt) sounds like a nuclear blast. If the pillars of salt at the end of the Dead Sea (which are still there today) were ordinary salt, they would have disappeared with the periodic rains. Instead, these pillars are of a special, harder salt, only created in a nuclear reaction such as an atomic explosion. Let's also look at Deuteronomy 32:32-33: "Their vine grows from the vine of Sodom, from the vineyards of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poison, and their clusters are bitter. Their wine is the venom of snakes, the deadly poison of vipers." Radioactive plants are known to be dangerous to eat. Other cities have been similarly destroyed: Admah and Zeboiim (Deuteronomy 29:23), Edom and Teman (Jeremiah:49:7-22), and Moab and Amman (Zephanian 2:9). (Why are these cities always destroyed in pairs?) In each account, there are references to Sodom and Gomorrah. We now know what happened to Babylon: "Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms, the flower of Chaldean culture, will be devastated like Sodom and Gomorrah when God destroyed them.

Babylon will never rise again. Generation after generation will come and go, but the land will never again be lived in. Nomads will refuse to camp there, and shepherds will not allow their sheep to stay overnight." --Isaiah, 13:19-20. The flood was the ending of the Ice Age, which meant the end of Atlantis. But there is a direct correlation between areas 4,920 feet or higher above sea level and centers of agriculture. Apparently the tsunamis didn't get any higher than that. Since there are very high mountains in the Rama Empire, it lasted until it was destroyed in nuclear war a thousand years after the "sinking" of Atlantis, so that would be 8600 BC. Since Babylon was destroyed in nuclear war, it must be a lot older than we think. The skeletons must appear younger to archaeologists, just like those in Mohenjo-Daro.

[Kilika]

Wow, paragraph seperation would go a long to making that article readable.

[trailhound]

Wow, paragraph seperation would go a long to making that article readable.

Better?

[Norval]

Dok,
That is called misdirection, muddy the waters,  the so called Paper about crater chains on earth, because everyone can see that there are NO CSCCs in those two photos. I am surprised that you haven't posted some great pics of earth based man made CSCCs, like strafing runs, or bombing runs.
(Actually I am not surprised.) 

Lostdog,
Yes. There is way to much evidence of past atomic war on earth for those that care to look.
Another good reason to flood the planet, to wash it, so to speak.  and yeppers, better reading now.

[Dok]

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For Immediate Release: March 13, 1998

Crater chain on two continents points to impact from fragmented comet
214 million year-old event corresponds with mass extinction
A team of scientists working on two continents has discovered that a series of five craters on Europe and North America form a chain, indicating the breakup and subsequent impact of a comet or asteroid that collided with Earth approximately 214 million years ago.

The impacts may have contributed to a mass extinction that occurred at the end of the Triassic period -- one of the five greatest mass extinctions in history.

The work, by scientists at the University of Chicago, the University of New Brunswick (Canada) and The Open University (Milton Keynes, U.K.) is published in a paper in the Thursday, March 12, issue of the journal Nature.

"When scientists observed the impacts of the pieces of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 on Jupiter in July 1994, they said that the impact of a fragmented comet could never happen here on Earth because the Earth's gravitational field is too weak to break a comet into pieces," said David Rowley, University of Chicago Associate Professor in Geophysical Sciences. "But our studies of these five craters provide compelling evidence that this happened at least once, and there's no reason it couldn't have happened more than that."

Rowley's colleagues, John Spray, a structural geologist from the University of New Brunswick, and Simon Kelley from The Open University, were interested in the relationship between impact craters of similar ages. Kelley had developed a technique to date such craters more precisely -- using laser argon/argon dating of the glass formed by localized heating of the rock. They asked Rowley to help figure out how the craters were aligned when the impacts occurred -- because of plate tectonics, the continents have moved extensively in the last 214 million years.

Rowley, a principal investigator for the University of Chicago's Paleogeographic Atlas Project, which is compiling an atlas of the paleogeography and paleoclimate of the world as it changed over the past 500 million years, had that kind of information at his fingertips.

"I get these kinds of requests all the time," said Rowley, "so at first I didn't think about it too much. But when they asked to me take a closer look at the data and I saw the alignment, I just said, 'wow!'"

Three of the five craters, Rochechouart in France, and Manicouagan and Saint Martin in Canada, were at the same latitude -- 22.8 degrees -- forming a nearly 5000-kilometer chain. The other two, Obolon' in Ukraine and Red Wing in Minnesota, lay on identical declination paths with Rochechouart and Saint Martin, respectively. All of the craters are previously known and well-studied, but the paleoalignment has never before been shown.

One possible explanation for the alignments of the five craters is a fragmented comet that crashed to Earth in three major groups over a period of time as short as four hours, in two groups of two and one solitary chunk. It is possible that the comet or asteroid actually broke into more than five pieces, but most of the Earth at that latitude was ocean 214 million years ago, and evidence of any ocean-bottom craters has long been obliterated. The impacts may have occurred over a period of several days, depending on how widely the fragments were dispersed.

Rowley said that the chance that these craters are randomly aligned is near zero.

Manicouagan, the largest of the five craters, is more than 100 kilometers in diameter, comparable to the 170-kilometer Chixulub crater in the Yucatan -- the impact that is believed to have caused the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous period 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs.

The Triassic extinction was equivalent in magnitude to the Cretacious/ Tertiary (K/T) extinction: about 80% of the species then living on the planet became extinct.

There are 150 known impact craters worldwide; the group is now studying others to see if there are other coincident crater chains.

The Paleogeographic Atlas Project at the University of Chicago is compiling an atlas of the world's changing geography and climate. The data are used for testing climate change models, finding probable sites for oil and minerals, and for providing a comprehensive look at the evolution of Earth's geographic features. The work is funded by a constortium of companies that has included Amoco, Exxon, Mobile, Total, Elf-Aquitaine and Shell, British Petroleum, Conoco and Marathon. More information can be found at .

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news12.html

There may also be an impact crater chain of somewhat "smaller" craters in
the US Midwest. In 1996, Rampino and Volk published a paper describing a
linear configuration of eight large circular depressions stretching across
Kansas, Missouri, and Illinois. Two of these have been positively
identified as impact craters approximately 300 million years old:

Decaturville, (Missouri, USA), 6 km diameter
Crooked Creek (Missouri, USA), 7 km diameter

Is there someone on the list who knows whether field studies have been done
since 1996 to determine whether any of the other six craters in this chain
are likely to be impact craters?

There is a map of this crater chain here:

http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/bottke/crater_chain/chain.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg06557.html

That is called misdirection, muddy the waters,

Really? Seems like all im doing is presenting fatcs, and well you and stargirl there havent presented anything other than opinion.

[Jackson Holly]

Martian surface ~ Avernus Colles.

hi rez—>  http://themis.asu.edu/fullimages/20070718a
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Dok:

Your last post was great ... there are numerous examples of the anomalies that we are discussing right here on good old Earth ... albeit hard to see because of our overactive, living environment.

But please, take another look at the picture above ... from Mars. There are hundreds, if not many thousands, of craters shown, in obvious concert with the rilles ... forming the rilles actually. WTF?

 ... and the interconnected rilles/craters are dendritic, as in electrical discharges.



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You people who are stuck in the 'gravitation only' universe just can't see the obvious I guess. The Titanic of the Newtonian universe is sinking and you guys are just re-arranging the deck chairs.

[Dok]

But please, take another look at the picture above ...

thats from the alien kids playing with the ray guns as the pass through the system on their way to vacation on sunny Mercury.

[xfahctor]

Why, , ,, would you need more evidence?

are you serious?

[xfahctor]

You're ignoring uniformity. Any body breaking up would not and as illustrated by SL9, would not be uniform in size. They are not uniform in spacing. They are not uniform in impact timing so subsequent impacts would fill in previous impacts. All contrary to established facts of CSCC's.

I would not expect them to be uniform in size and this is illustrated by the fact that the craters are not uniform in size, just as the crater chains themselves are not all one uniform size from instance to instance
 
Again, sl9.......spagetification......jupiter's immense gravity effected sl9 far differently than any other body we see these craters on....hence the wider spread we saw in sl9's impact....had sl9 impacted something much smaller, such as one of jupiters moons of one of the smaller planets like mars, the impacts would have been a much tighter formation.

[Norval]

Isn't it amazing how some try so desperately to detract from the evidence presented, , ,
, , , their conspiracy to keep the very recent war in our solar system a secret has failed.

The facts remain, CSCCs CAN be formed only with modern guided weapons which they most resemble.
SL9 clearly demonstrated that these CSCC were NOT made by comets and that theory is specious at best.

Weapons strikes are never exact either, , , , but close counts the bigger the weapons are.

[xfahctor]

Why, , ,, would you need more evidence?

I am going to just assume it was a serious question, so I will be courtious and give a serious answer. Because the apearence of the craters is simply not enough evidence for me, for most people in fact. You cannot base a serious theory on a single piece of speculation. The apearence of the craters is not even evidence, it is cause to look for evidence perhaps, but in itself, it is not evidence. You are making a pretty far out claim, it's going to require a heap more evidence to support it, especialy if you plan on continuing to try and convince the scientific community....or even the hoards of amateur astronomers out there who are mostly a pretty knowlegable lot themselves.  Right now, all you have is the appearence of the craters, you may have cause to suspect that there is something else at play....but no evidence of this.

[xfahctor]

Isn't it amazing how some try so desperately to detract from the evidence presented, , ,
, , , their conspiracy to keep the very recent war in our solar system a secret has failed.

The facts remain, CSCCs CAN be formed only with modern guided weapons which they most resemble.
SL9 clearly demonstrated that these CSCC were NOT made by comets and that theory is specious at best.

Weapons strikes are never exact either, , , , but close counts the bigger the weapons are.

what evidence? you don't have evidence...you have cause for suspician.
and again you are ignoring Jupiters immense gravity in the sl9 example.

[Dok]

Isn't it amazing how some try so desperately to detract from the evidence presented, , ,
, , , their conspiracy to keep the very recent war in our solar system a secret has failed.

The facts remain, CSCCs CAN be formed only with modern guided weapons which they most resemble.
SL9 clearly demonstrated that these CSCC were NOT made by comets and that theory is specious at best.

Weapons strikes are never exact either, , , , but close counts the bigger the weapons are.

im still waiting on the proof this was caused by alien space people?

[Norval]

Would it, or could it be, that you have no knowledge or experience with weapons, even computer games and simulations? Thus your inability to easily recognize these CSCCs as probable weapons strikes?

Why is it that in real life there is a 98% recognition of these CSCC images as made by intelligence, , , , ,
Yet, on the web there is a 98% denial that these CSCCs were made by intelligence?!?! 

That says far more than most want to admit. 

[Dok]

Would it, or could it be, that you have no knowledge or experience with weapons, even computer games and simulations? Thus your inability to easily recognize these CSCCs as probable weapons strikes?

Why is it that in real life there is a 98% recognition of these CSCC images as made by intelligence, , , , ,
Yet, on the web there is a 98% denial that these CSCCs were made by intelligence?!?! 

That says far more than most want to admit. 

evidence please? quit stalling, and hmmm, what was that word. , oh ya, "misdirection", thats it.

[Jackson Holly]

This article from a NASA page should be a good introduction to begin to understand what is really going on ... in electro~plasma science ... and the inter-connectedness of all objects. There was a period in the quiet recent past when our system was unsteady ... objects got too close sometimes.

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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm

Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth
   10.30.2008


Oct. 30, 2008: During the time it takes you to read this article, something will happen high overhead that until recently many scientists didn't believe in. A magnetic portal will open, linking Earth to the sun 93 million miles away. Tons of high-energy particles may flow through the opening before it closes again, around the time you reach the end of the page.

"It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,'" says space physicist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible."

Indeed, today Sibeck is telling an international assembly of space physicists at the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Alabama, that FTEs are not just common, but possibly twice as common as anyone had ever imagined.



Right: An artist's concept of Earth's magnetic field connecting to the sun's--a.k.a. a "flux transfer event"--with a spacecraft on hand to measure particles and fields.

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere.

"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," says Sibeck. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."

Several speakers at the Workshop have outlined how FTEs form: On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow. The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth. The European Space Agency's fleet of four Cluster spacecraft and NASA's five THEMIS probes have flown through and surrounded these cylinders, measuring their dimensions and sensing the particles that shoot through. "They're real," says Sibeck.

Now that Cluster and THEMIS have directly sampled FTEs, theorists can use those measurements to simulate FTEs in their computers and predict how they might behave. Space physicist Jimmy Raeder of the University of New Hampshire presented one such simulation at the Workshop. He told his colleagues that the cylindrical portals tend to form above Earth's equator and then roll over Earth's winter pole. In December, FTEs roll over the north pole; in July they roll over the south pole.

Sibeck believes this is happening twice as often as previously thought. "I think there are two varieties of FTEs: active and passive." Active FTEs are magnetic cylinders that allow particles to flow through rather easily; they are important conduits of energy for Earth's magnetosphere. Passive FTEs are magnetic cylinders that offer more resistance; their internal structure does not admit such an easy flow of particles and fields. (For experts: Active FTEs form at equatorial latitudes when the IMF tips south; passive FTEs form at higher latitudes when the IMF tips north.)

Sibeck has calculated the properties of passive FTEs and he is encouraging his colleagues to hunt for signs of them in data from THEMIS and Cluster. "Passive FTEs may not be very important, but until we know more about them we can't be sure."

There are many unanswered questions: Why do the portals form every 8 minutes? How do magnetic fields inside the cylinder twist and coil? "We're doing some heavy thinking about this at the Workshop," says Sibeck.

Meanwhile, high above your head, a new portal is opening, connecting your planet to the sun.

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[Norval]

Would it, or could it be, that you have no knowledge or experience with weapons, even computer games and simulations? Thus your inability to easily recognize these CSCCs as probable weapons strikes?

Why is it that in real life there is a 98% recognition of these CSCC images as made by intelligence, , , , ,
Yet, on the web there is a 98% denial that these CSCCs were made by intelligence?!?! 

That says far more than most want to admit. 

Ignorance of the evidence is just more evidence. Thank you. 

[xfahctor]

Ignorance of the evidence is just more evidence. Thank you. 

In order to be ignorant of evidence....there must be evidence.....you have presented none....you presented a suspician, but no evidence in persuit of your suspician.

[Dok]

Ignorance of the evidence is just more evidence. Thank you. 

ya know, i know you two like to travel from site to site and try to find support for your theory. But you really need something to show for all your efforts. So could you post something, something substantiative, well really just something that backs up your claims in the least.

[Kilika]

He's doing that in another thread too. I see a pattern starting already. Gotta keep an eye on those noobs.

[Dok]

He's doing that in another thread too. I see a pattern starting already. Gotta keep an eye on those noobs.

heck, you should check other forums. its already a pattern.

A pattern that lines up in a neat little row. Hmmm, must be aliens.

[Norval]

heck, you should check other forums. its already a pattern.

A pattern that lines up in a neat little row. Hmmm, must be aliens.

You have a point there about ETs as they would not want this topic about a war in our solar system in which the losers want to keep it a secret. There is quite the "pattern" of non discussion of even the possibility of this. Keep giving us evidence that a conspiracy does exist to keep this secret. Thank you. 

[Kilika]

You have a point there about ETs as they would not want this topic about a war in our solar system in which the losers want to keep it a secret. There is quite the "pattern" of non discussion of even the possibility of this. Keep giving us evidence that a conspiracy does exist to keep this secret. Thank you. 

I'm sorry, but that is just absurd to the extreme. Hiding the topic that there might be aliens out there in space? Really? That's all that's talked about these days is aliens. You need to be scolding the governments of the world for hiding stuff from the public.

[xfahctor]

You have a point there about ETs as they would not want this topic about a war in our solar system in which the losers want to keep it a secret. There is quite the "pattern" of non discussion of even the possibility of this. Keep giving us evidence that a conspiracy does exist to keep this secret. Thank you.  

So, let me see if I can sum this up......

An ancient war in our solar system is the reason for craters/chain craters

you have no evidence to support your claim

there is a conspiricy to cover it up

anyone asking for evidence to support your claimed reason for the apearence of the craters is part of the cover up

Does that about sum it up?

[Optimus]

Isn't it amazing how some try so desperately to detract from the evidence speculation presented, , ,
, , , their conspiracy to keep the very recent war in our solar system a secret has failed.

The facts remain, CSCCs CAN be formed only with modern guided weapons which they most resemble.
SL9 clearly demonstrated that these CSCC were NOT made by comets and that theory is specious at best.

Weapons strikes are never exact either, , , , but close counts the bigger the weapons are.

Fixed!

[Dok]

You have a point there about ETs as they would not want this topic about a war in our solar system in which the losers want to keep it a secret. There is quite the "pattern" of non discussion of even the possibility of this. Keep giving us evidence that a conspiracy does exist to keep this secret. Thank you. 

Gee there doing a pretty bad job at keeping it a secret.  They seem to be telling as many people as they can about it. All through occultic means. Dont they have radios? Oh wait, they are so evolved they have moved beyond radios, but not 15 mile long spaceships right.  please.

We are more than happy to discuss it, but in order to have a discussion you need to respond with something worth discussing, and well, you havent.

[Optimus]

Ignorance of the evidence is just more evidence. Thank you. 

What evidence? All I see is speculation. The evidence suggests trains or chains of asteroids, not bombing. If this was bombing from some ancient alien war we would see more than just craters. Where is the debris from what was being bombed? This is just like NIST trying to use a pothole in PA as evidence a plane crashed there.

[Jackson Holly]

http://www.thunderboltsproject.com/Thunderbolts/the_electric_universe.html

The video is loaded in short bits ... please keep clicking "Next Sequence".

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Surface features including the CSCC are not always from impact of solid objects ... HELLO.

[xfahctor]

 I will only speak to the alien war theory.....but I haven't seen a single piece of evidence presented for this claim. I think I am pretty well done with this discussion.
Norval, Gale, if you have anything at all to offer as evidence in the future, pm me here and I will be glad to get back in to the discussion. Nice to have met you folks, be well.

[Dok]

Surface features including the CSCC are not always from impact of solid objects

well duh, lasers arent physical. 

sorry, had to do it.