Panic in UKRAINE over Mystery Plague

[Ambassador]

some Virus diseases go into pneumonia which is bacterial.
I have no doubt 'they' can create a combo of some kind - and have.

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[sociostudent]

Considering the history of bioweapons research and containment issues in the former Soviet Union, it sounds like a decent enough to semi-discreetly test a superbug. The people are used to accepting cover-ups and emergencies of this nature, far more than we are. I feel sorry for them.  We're probably next, hah.

Well, the soviet union wasn't the original country that came up with bioweapons. You can thank the Japanese for the original ideas, the soviets DID have a leg up on US research until the fall of the soviet union though, and then in '89 there was Paperclip 2.0 when we brought all of the soviet scientists over (just like we did with the Nazis for their jet propulsion and mind control technologies) to "help" the US with their bioweapon program. Welcome to the New World Order.

[grapecrusher1]

Just to clarify.  The virus does not "transform" into bacterium. 
The virus causes considerable damage, say to the lungs, and allows bacterial flora to invade through that primary virus infection that has been heavily weakened and the immune defenses are not working effectively.  In most of these hospitalized fatalities the primary infection was viral and then community derived bacteria (fancy words for those bacterial populations living in hospital settings) move in for the coup de gras.

[flaming_red_pill]

Just to clarify.  The virus does not "transform" into bacterium. 
The virus causes considerable damage, say to the lungs, and allows bacterial flora to invade through that primary virus infection that has been heavily weakened and the immune defenses are not working effectively.  In most of these hospitalized fatalities the primary infection was viral and then community derived bacteria (fancy words for those bacterial populations living in hospital settings) move in for the coup de gras.

The earlier links were just to demonstrate that yes, DNA can be inserted into bacteria using viruses as a vehicle; but yeah you are completely correct in citing hospital bacteria as a probable cause of deaths. Gross and scary either way.

[grapecrusher1]

The earlier links were just to demonstrate that yes, DNA can be inserted into bacteria using viruses as a vehicle; but yeah you are completely correct in citing hospital bacteria as a probable cause of deaths. Gross and scary either way.

The topic of the thread is about H1N1 in the Ukraine although it is mislabelled "mystery plague" still.  I was not denying "transduction" or that viruses cannot hijack bacteria I was saying this is NOT happening in those infected with H1N1.  In these influenza victims the virus invades and then the opportunity is presented for bacteria to take hold.  There is no morphing, lycanthropy, distortion going on with the virus into some bacteria in this situation.  Completely separate pathogens.
Just to put it in some perspective in regards to size.
the paramecium is a large bacterium.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/

[Letsbereal]

Ukraine Fatalities Jump to 882 - D225A/N/G in Kyiv
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/01091001/Ukraine_882.html

Recombinomics Commentary 13:20
January 9, 2010


3,987,959 Influenza/ARI

233.029 Hospitalized

882 Dead

The above numbers represent the latest update from the Ukraine Ministry of health.  The fatalities in the past 3 days increased by 55, a slight decrease below the death per hour pace set last week.  The outbreaks continue to be focuses in central and eastern Ukraine.  Most areas in western Ukraine have fallen below the epidemic threshold.

However, the movement to the east paralleled the movement of receptor binding domain changes.  HA sequences released by Mill Hill at GISAID identified new complexities at position 225.  Samples from Kyiv and Chernihiv (see map) had mixed signals at positions 1 and 2 of codon 225, providing coding for D225G and D225N in the Chenihiv sequences and three changes (D225G, D225N, and D225A) in the Kyiv sequence.

The multiple changes at the same codon in a single patient are a signal of immunological escape, which may cause serious problems in subsequent waves.  The case fatality rate for recently sequenced isolates with D225G and/or D225N is well above 50%.  In Ukraine, it appears to be at 100%.  Although D225A is unique to Kyiv, the other two changes have been cited in fatal cases in Russia.

Although it remains unclear if the high death toll is linked to collection of samples from organs of dead or dying patients, or signals the transmission of a cluster of changes linked to codon 225, resulting in a more dangerous or fatal clinical course.

Collection of sequential samples from the severe cases Ukraine and Russia would be useful.  Although most of the changes have been in lung, samples from trachea. and throat samples have also yielded the change.

[grapecrusher1]

The multiple changes at the same codon in a single patient are a signal of immunological escape, which may cause serious problems in subsequent waves.  The case fatality rate for recently sequenced isolates with D225G and/or D225N is well above 50%.  In Ukraine, it appears to be at 100%.  Although D225A is unique to Kyiv, the other two changes have been cited in fatal cases in Russia.

This comment led me to think that if these lethal mutations become the dominant features of the H1N1 pandemic virus it would have a mortality rate of beween 50% and 100%, which is incorrect.  The fact is that these samples were found mostly in fatal cases and because these portions of the virus target the lungs few of those surviving infected cases are unwilling to offer samples for obvious reasons.  So it is both difficult to establish what the death rate of the mutation would be or how common it is.  Currently of the more than 3000 samples on record around 1% exhibit these lethal mutations and the great majority of which are deaths. 

There should be a much more robust investigation into this threat as it could be very serious.

[Ambassador]

I know on the national scale, the number of dead is not large.
I wonder if ROUND 2 has begun - or if the victims are being treated to cure them.
If the PP link is correct, my question is valid

January 4  -  805 Dead
January 9  -  882 Dead

UKRAINE  Sickness

TB, GENOCIDE and IMF Loans

To get an IMF loan, a country must demand genocide.

Just dont treat the ill, let them die.  Is this the IMF demand?

There is evidence that the death, most from pulmonary conditions, are from a rising incidence of Tuberculosis (TB).
The IMF is demanding savage cuts in pension benefits, public services including health services.
There is where the link between IMF loans and an explosion of TB cases converge.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/are-ukraine-black-death-cases-result-of-imf-loans.html

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[grapecrusher1]

It has been a long time since Engdahl wrote that article making some baseless claim of the Ukranian H1N1 waves having some connection to tuberculosis.  This assertion is unsubstantiated and at this point in time is clearly evident as being the ridiculousness that it is.  H1N1 has been hitting the Ukraine hard and has nothing to do with tuberculosis, plague, spiked vaccines, spraying planes, chimeric viral bacterium, or other nonsense.

Bacterial and H1N1 co-infection:
"In an analysis of lung tissue specimens from 77 confirmed fatal US cases of 2009 H1N1, in which deaths occurred from May 1 to August 20, 2009, bacterial coinfections were present in 22 (29%) cases. These fatal cases were defined as influenza-like illness or postmortem findings suggesting viral pneumonia and laboratory-confirmed 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) virus infection by real time reverse transcriptase–polymerase chain reaction.

Of the 22 cases with bacterial coinfection, 10 were caused by S pneumoniae, 7 by S aureus, 6 by S pyogenes, 2 by S mitis, and 1 by Haemophilus influenzae. In 4 cases, there were multiple pathogens."
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/709717