Nazi propaganda: "Elite are a symptom, capitalism is the disease"

[maim]

the elite are just a symptom,  capitalism is the disease.  kill em if ya want, but as long as capitalism is still around, someone else will just take their place

[thnkfstpal]

the elite are just a symptom,  capitalism is the disease.  kill em if ya want, but as long as capitalism is still around, someone else will just take their place

WTF? this isn't true at all free market capitalism is the only TRUE market. The problem is overregulation and large multinational corporations funded by the elite paying off Congress and using legislation as mandating monopolies through regulations that only the largest and richest corporations can even deal with.

[maim]

i imagine this free market thing your talking about did exist at some point, and look where we are now.  it will happen again and again, no matter how many times you take the guys at the top out.

[Dig]

the elite are just a symptom,  capitalism is the disease.  kill em if ya want, but as long as capitalism is still around, someone else will just take their place

capitalism is the disease?

kill the elite?

uhhhhh

ok, the elite psychos are attempting to hijack and control all of humanity from pre-conception to decomposition. They have over 10,000 documents, interviews, and propaganda films bragging about it. they are the cancer, disease, etc.

but killing them allows the next tier to come forward, so like you said obviously not the method we propose. We propose what Robert F. Kennedy proposed: a revolution of wisdom throughout this country.  An awakening as to how we are manipulated into killing ourselves by puppetmasters 10 degrees of separation from us. Capitalism has nothing to do with this issue, they create fake money for fake capitalistic projects and then blame their projects on the downfal of man, very clever slimeballs if ya ask me. Free market enterprise is just that, freedom to trade with your fellow man for goods and services you produce. This is production and true capital creation (the goods and services that are created and traded).

I believe that the current depression has allowed many Americans and others to re-evaluate what money is, what production is, and what true quality of life is.  I am also hoping that it allows us to follow Robert F. Kennedy's idea of a revolution of wisdom. Because I do not care how many tiers of psychos exist and how much technology exists, 100,000 psychopaths (and I am being very, very generous) cannot control 305 million American citizens if they do not co-operate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gigsZH5HlJA

[Michal Ptacnik]

Capitalism is a part of the problem, because capitalism has always had the tendency to organically reform into a fascist oligarchy. Plus it is an inhuman system with a lot of waste that happens between the middlemen. Argue however you want, though many here might not like Peter Joseph, the "resource-based economy" is much more sensible if the people have what it takes to acomodate for it.

Unfortunately, the fact that we have capitalism (or post-capitalism as it is) is the result of our overall development (or lack thereof) as a society. Fortunately, though, this was the state of a century ago and an organic evolution out of this "primitive" system might yet commence, provided we do not end up in a Huxley-like dystopia.

As for killing the Elite, well, there are so many of them out there that it is impossible.

[Dig]

Capitalism is a part of the problem, because capitalism has always had the tendency to organically reform into a fascist oligarchy. Plus it is an inhuman system with a lot of waste that happens between the middlemen. Argue however you want, though many here might not like Peter Joseph, the "resource-based economy" is much more sensible if the people have what it takes to acomodate for it.

Unfortunately, the fact that we have capitalism (or post-capitalism as it is) is the result of our overall development (or lack thereof) as a society. Fortunately, though, this was the state of a century ago and an organic evolution out of this "primitive" system might yet commence, provided we do not end up in a Huxley-like dystopia.

As for killing the Elite, well, there are so many of them out there that it is impossible.

actually every sentence you are saying is total and complete horseshit.

Capitalism has nothing to do with elitism , feudalism, etc.

Free market capitalism, the constitution, and the rule of law will last over 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years before it ever even has an ounce of problems, provided that generations are not deprived of  the education on the rights endowed by our creator, the rule of law, the rights to the fruits of one's labor, and the constitution.

This is an absolute fact, has never even been dreamt of being challenged.

Now go to your neo-nazi website forum to talk about the bullshit pitfalls of capitalism, after all Hitler loved to talk about the same exact bullshit in order to swindle and trick people into thinking it was true

peter joseph is a duped puppet clown that is too fascinated by his own ego to ever realize he is being totally used and will be discarded when he ceases to be useful to his puppet masters.

He lacks vision, knowledge, modesty, humanity, and basic brain functionality.

This is incontrovertible and has been proven in over 1,000 posts on the zeitgeisthead thread.

[kushfiend]

the elite are just a symptom,  capitalism is the disease.  kill em if ya want, but as long as capitalism is still around, someone else will just take their place

Wow, you sound just like all of my commie economic professors.  I have to regurgitate sh*t just like this all the time on tests.  You marxist fools never learn that consolidating power just leads to tyrannical control! 

I'm assuming then, that you would want an end to private property, which is one of the main things Karl Marx called for in all his writings.  Nevermind that his entire economic theory of a labor theory of value, i.e. goods should be priced based on the labor it took to make them, has been proven to be completely deficient. 

There's a thing called human nature that prevents communism from working beyond a tribal setting of about 20 or so people.  Or maybe you've never heard of Mao or Stalin? 

[Michal Ptacnik]

Sane: Show me at least one case when capitalism didn't descent into communism, fashism, or an oligarchy before, say, two hundred years.

Educating people was another thing that Karl Marx, incidentally, was a proponent of, and unlike some of his other ideas, this one decidedly does not work. Take it from a citizen of a post-communist country. People can not be "educated" by any central authority; they either are self conscious and conscious of their rights, usually as a result of a crisis or soon after the nation's birth, or they grow complacent over time and more and more desire amusement in favor of everything else. Unless we have a spiritual awakening that would end this vicious cycle - and more than likely would make most of what we now consider capitalism obsolete in the process - there is not much we can do unless we'd want to keep the world artificially at war or something so that the "good citizen values" would be always necessary. This is, of course, an utter nonsense.

Barring that, what value would a complacent populace find in freedom when it is bought at the expense of comfort and safety? Who will make the people look beyond their daily needs and fads? No one beyond their elders in the natural education of the family and with each subsequent generation passing since the last great crisis this thread gets thinner and thinner. Yet there will be many according to the law of supply and demand who will do everything in order to satisfy the need for bread and circuses and thus enforce the complacency.

[agentbluescreen]

the elite are just a symptom,  capitalism is the disease.  kill em if ya want, but as long as capitalism is still around, someone else will just take their place

Unfortunately you cannot just call every private for-profit economic system "capitol-socialism".

WTF? this isn't true at all free market capitalism is the only TRUE market. The problem is overregulation and large multinational corporations funded by the elite paying off Congress and using legislation as mandating monopolies through regulations that only the largest and richest corporations can even deal with.

Adam Smith would STRONGLY disagree with you! The difference between noble-elite Imperial Socialist (eugenic mafia monarch-ist) Mercantile-Socialism (monopol-ist mercantile-ism) and egalitarian Republican Socialist (capital-ist) "Free Market-ism" is that the latter is a meritocracy that is WELL-REGULATED principally (though not merely only) to preserve competition!

It is not unregulated, monopolized by racist-eugenic mafia families (nobles) nor is it deregulated by corrupt criminal-socialist politicians (parties) who sell out to such.

The essence of well-regulation is that business be properly and best regulated for the free market to function best and for freedom of competition to be preserved and defended and to ensure the "corporate citizens" (thus created)  serve the public good..

[kushfiend]

"Once you let investment banks and commercial banks fuse into the same company, you have just created the foundations for fascism." - Grizzly Adams, 2009.

glass steagall - look into it.

[Jackson Holly]

I wish for a system of capitalism ... without the capitalists!

[agentbluescreen]

Sane: Show me at least one case when capitalism didn't descent into communism, fashism, or an oligarchy before, say, two hundred years.

"The tree of liberty must be continually refreshed with the blood of patriots"

Corruption breeds more corruption, like a malignant cancer, if you miss a little of it, it multiplies rapidly and takes over.

This was what lawless, deregulatory Thatcherist "voodoo" Reaganomics did.

They peed on all our legs and kept telling us it was raining. (so we bought them yachts to the Cayman Islands and umbrella shields from the law)

[kushfiend]

"The tree of liberty must be continually refreshed with the blood of patriots"

Corruption breeds more corruption, like a malignant cancer, if you miss a little of it, it multiplies rapidly and takes over.

This was what Thatcherist Reaganomics did.

Ah, are you referring to that economic system in which vast cuts in taxes for the wealthiest 1% were going to somehow "trickle down" into our pockets, the every day business and working people of America?

MEGA LOL AT ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT GARBAGE FOR SURE

[Dig]

Sane: Show me at least one case when capitalism didn't descent into communism, fashism, or an oligarchy before, say, two hundred years.

Educating people was another thing that Karl Marx, incidentally, was a proponent of, and unlike some of his other ideas, this one decidedly does not work. Take it from a citizen of a post-communist country. People can not be "educated" by any central authority; they either are self conscious and conscious of their rights, usually as a result of a crisis or soon after the nation's birth, or they grow complacent over time and more and more desire amusement in favor of everything else. Unless we have a spiritual awakening that would end this vicious cycle - and more than likely would make most of what we now consider capitalism obsolete in the process - there is not much we can do unless we'd want to keep the world artificially at war or something so that the "good citizen values" would be always necessary. This is, of course, an utter nonsense.

Barring that, what value would a complacent populace find in freedom when it is bought at the expense of comfort and safety? Who will make the people look beyond their daily needs and fads? No one beyond their elders in the natural education of the family and with each subsequent generation passing since the last great crisis this thread gets thinner and thinner. Yet there will be many according to the law of supply and demand who will do everything in order to satisfy the need for bread and circuses and thus enforce the complacency.

Prior to the private federal reserve and even today we are still the most free country in the world. We are fighting to defend the republic from the tyrants and kings.

You fail to understand what I posted.  People do not need to be educated about anything, they will naturally gravitate to truth.  I posted that the people should not be deprived of education, in other words, their should never be censorship of the facts.

When you consider the Rockefeller Foundation, Tavistock, Carnegie, Harriman, Rhodes, CFR, Bilderberg, CIA/Mossad/SAS/MI6 executing truth tellers, MK Ultra mind control, HAARP, MSM, etc. and then add fluoridation, GMO, vaccines it is a wonder that this forum even exists.

that is what needs to be stopped so that the constituion, the rights of man, and free market enterprise may flourish again.

you can blab about marx all you lke, in the end he was another peter joseph...blathering fool who was used and then dispossed of. just more eloquent than that moron joseph.

[kushfiend]

Labor theory of value = crap

[maim]

Capitalize=to take advantage of....
Capitalism means one group taking advantage of another in a transaction.  The NWO have always been there.  Everyone on the planet has always been slaves.  The US, Canadian, British, Westernized slaves were just the ones with the best slave benefits package, what you call 'freedoms'.  The westernized slaves were fine as long it was their country being the one taking advantage of the others, ie African countries.  As long as you had the good benefits package, you were happy little slaves. 
Now the elites have turned the capitalism stick on the western slaves as well, now you all cry foul because your losing your slave benefits, being reduced to the same, lower slave, status the african slaves have had for decades.
What is your solution? What is Alex Jones' solution?  Roll back the clock to 30 years when it was the western countries taking advantage of everyone else.  Raping every other countries resources so you can have your playstations?
Any time there is a system of taking advantage, it will ALWAYS end up being a small few taking advantage of everyone else. 
If capitalism can't work for EVERY person on the planet, then it is bad.  And it can't, because by definition it means one team winning, and one team losing.  You were all fine as long it was someone else doing the losing.  But now your the ones made to lose so you cry foul.  The only thing new about the New World Order is that its new for you.  Many other nations have been getting raped for decades, centuries even, now you can know whats it's been like for them while you eat your burger king. 

[Dig]

Capitalize=to take advantage of....
Capitalism means one group taking advantage of another in a transaction.  The NWO have always been there.  Everyone on the planet has always been slaves.  The US, Canadian, British, Westernized slaves were just the ones with the best slave benefits package, what you call 'freedoms'.  The westernized slaves were fine as long it was their country being the one taking advantage of the others, ie African countries.  As long as you had the good benefits package, you were happy little slaves.  
Now the elites have turned the capitalism stick on the western slaves as well, now you all cry foul because your losing your slave benefits, being reduced to the same, lower slave, status the african slaves have had for decades.
What is your solution? What is Alex Jones' solution?  Roll back the clock to 30 years when it was the western countries taking advantage of everyone else.  Raping every other countries resources so you can have your playstations?
Any time there is a system of taking advantage, it will ALWAYS end up being a small few taking advantage of everyone else.  
If capitalism can't work for EVERY person on the planet, then it is bad.  And it can't, because by definition it means one team winning, and one team losing.  You were all fine as long it was someone else doing the losing.  But now your the ones made to lose so you cry foul.  The only thing new about the New World Order is that its new for you.  Many other nations have been getting raped for decades, centuries even, now you can know whats it's been like for them while you eat your burger king.  

maim=to injure/harm; as in to injure or harm the truth.

derrrr

der deee derrrrrr

please stop outright lying on this forum, this is like the 5th time you are spreading disinformation here.

go play with your nazi friends (resource management/socialist/marxist/communist=NAZI-ISM, if you do not know this deep in your bones you are a fool) who love blaming the evil idea of free trade among men for the fruits of their labor where there are higher levels of fluoridation.

thanks

[unbound]

To argue about this is pointless. If the system is so great, why are we in this mess? You can say what you want, and make any point you want, but the fact of the matter is, we are in the shit. Woulda/shoulda/coulda's aren't going to cut it. Every great empire has fallen in history. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Obviously they don't work, and if you want to argue about that, you're insane.

[Outer Haven]

you can blab about marx all you lke, in the end he was another peter joseph...blathering fool who was used and then dispossed of. just more eloquent than that moron joseph.

Ahahahaha!!

[Dig]

To argue about this is pointless. If the system is so great, why are we in this mess? You can say what you want, and make any point you want, but the fact of the matter is, we are in the shit. Woulda/shoulda/coulda's aren't going to cut it. Every great empire has fallen in history. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Obviously they don't work, and if you want to argue about that, you're insane.

damn right about that and this is the precise reason for the constitution and the american ideal of limited government.

we were converted into an empire by pharaohs and occupiers. as i mentioned earlier, we can no longer be prevented from learning about the constitution, free market capitalism, and the rights of man.  when that occurs, absurd empire building creeps in by power mongers.

[Unintelligable Name]

In threads like this... in the future... define what "Capitalism" entails in the OP, so everyone knows what they're arguing over. Quite frankly, we could spend a week debating what Capitalism is or isn't, let alone if it's bad or good for society. So... in light of that... pick an area... labor & wages, resources, regulations, ownership, competition, credit & financing, manufacturing, and go from there.

[JTCoyoté]

"Capitalism should not be condemned,
since we haven't yet had capitalism."
~Ron Paul

"A system of capitalism presumes sound money,
not fiat money manipulated by a central bank.
Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and
interest rates that are determined by savings,
not credit creation by a central bank."
~Ron Paul

"When one gets in bed with government,
one must expect the diseases it spreads."
~Ron Paul

"You don't cost the government money,
the government costs YOU money."
~Ron Paul

What the original poster fails to realize, is that corporate statist capitalism which is a disease that is spread by the elite... is totally different from free market capitalism which has not existed without corporatist restriction in America since February of 1871... Until recently the only the free market last vestage was mom and pop local business... I'm not just talking about just storefronts, I'm talking about mom-and-pop manufacturing, mom-and-pop farming, mom-and-pop trucking, mom-and-pop marketing, mom-and-pop communications, essentially mom and pop local control. This has been totally decimated over the last 50 years.

 I think Ron Paul spells it out pretty well in his very short and succinct statements...

JTCoyoté

"We shall cause the United States
to spend itself to destruction."
~Vladimir. I. Lenin

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