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« Reply #120 on: February 07, 2010, 02:06:27 AM »

Just thought of something I never thought of before: As the camera slowly pans in to reveal the mysterious photo of Jack Torrance occupying the center position within the group of wealthy socialites at the 1921 July 4th Ball, the song that plays in the background is an old Ray Noble piece called "Midnight with the Stars and You". Could this be another allusion to the Apollo 11 moon mission, as it refers to "stars" ie, space? As the song plays, the camera slowly fades in to the image of Jack holding something in his right hand, while a bespectacled man with a mustache stands directly behind him and pushes his arm down as if trying to prevent him from revealing a secret to the outer world -



Watch the final shot and listen to the song as it plays creepily in the background - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUGYgWSz8c&feature=related



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« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2010, 08:49:34 AM »

Secrets of The Shining:

Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.

By Jay Weidner

The Shining is surely Stanley Kubrick's most misunderstood masterpiece.

I use the word 'masterpiece' guardedly because I have never really thought that The Shining was a very good film.

At the time, in 1980 when I first saw it, I didn't like it at all. The way that Kubrick threw out so much of Stephen King's great source material and replaced it with a lot of things that just didn't seem to make any sense, really bothered me.

Hopefully, before I am finished with this essay, the reader will see it is only when Kubrick dramatically alters the script from Stephen King's novel that we can begin to understand what Stanley Kubrick is trying to tell us in his version of The Shining.

It should be understood from the beginning that The Shining is Stanley Kubrick's most personal film (outside of, possibly, Eyes Wide Shut). Before we are done here it will be easy to see that Kubrick was only using Stephen King's novel as a launching pad (excuse the pun) to be able to tell a completely different story under the guise of making a film based on a best-selling novel. He did this for a very important reason - mainly to save his life.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

In fact, let's start at the beginning.

There are two main characters in the film, Jack Torrance (played by Jack Nicholson) and his son Danny (played by Danny Lloyd).

It is important to understand here that Jack and Danny are two aspects of Stanley Kubrick himself. Jack is the practical, pragmatic guy who wants to be a great artist. And he is, apparently, willing to do anything to accomplish his goal of being an artist (writer). Jack, like Stanley has black hair, he is idiosyncratic and even smokes the same cigarettes as Stanley (Marlboro).

Danny is the other side of the great director. He is the child-like Kubrick. It is Danny who is actually the real artist.

The Danny side of Kubrick side is psychic, youthful and sees things that no one else sees. Danny also has a tendency to tell people things that should be kept quiet.

The first part of the The Shining is probably the longest, most boring, 58 minutes in Kubrick's career.

The opening of the film takes place with us witnessing Stanley's pragmatic side, Jack, cutting a deal with the Manager of the Overlook Hotel.

The deal between Jack and the Manager of the Overlook is that Jack can write (that is - create) all that he wants as long as he "takes care" of The Overlook.

One other important point is that the Manager of The Overlook tells Jack that the previous caretaker went crazy from the stress of the job and killed his wife and two girls.

Jack says he is "intrigued" but takes the deal anyway.

The Manager of the Overlook Hotel is wearing red, white and blue. Jack's wife Wendy (played by Shelly Duval) and his son Danny also wear red, white and blue for almost the entire first hour of the film.

In this symbolic interpretation the Overlook Hotel is AMERICA. It was built, just like the Manager says, on the graves of Indians. Even when walking on the floor of the Overlook Hotel, one finds oneself trampling over various Native American symbols.

The Overlook Hotel itself is America.

Like America, the Overlook Hotel is new and shiny. It is ostentatious, corny and architecturally boring. As the Manager tells Wendy "All of the best people stayed here".

But there is something very deep happening. Kubrick brushed shoulders with the elite of the world. He knows what is going on.

We have to begin to understand Kubrick's story from his use of symbols. As I like to say: if a picture is worth a thousand words, then a symbol is worth a thousand pictures. For it will be through the use of symbol that the real story of The Shining can be revealed.

The Manager of the Overlook, while interviewing Jack, has an American Eagle right behind his head. It is as if "The Eagle" is the power behind the Manager.


Not only is the Eagle the symbol of America but it should be noted that the Lunar Lander of the Apollo 11 mission was called "The Eagle". To the Manager's right on the desk is an American flag.

Symbolically the Manager (played by Barry Nelson) is the face of the government of the United States. Jack has cut this deal with the government to be the "caretaker" of the Hotel.

The Manager tells Jack that his main job is to prevent the Overlook Hotel (America) from appearing like it is decaying. The Manager reiterates that this is Jack's primary responsibility.

On their first day in the Hotel, Danny has a vision of the previous caretaker's daughters, and he sees that they are twins. The previous caretaker's daughters were not twins in the Stephen King novel. This discrepancy between the book and the film will grow in importance as we continue.

Jack, Danny and Wendy also meet Dick Halorann who is the cook for the Overlook. He befriends Danny and it is through him that Danny discovers that he is not alone when it comes to psychic ability.

Dick warns Danny to stay away from Room 237.

Jack, Wendy and Danny have now fully moved into the Hotel. There is a long cold winter ahead of them. At first Jack loves the hotel but he is having problems with his writing. Also he cannot sleep. Meanwhile Wendy and Danny are having fun.

Jack is not writing. Instead he is throwing a tennis ball at the wall in the room where his typewriter sits. On the wall, which is being struck by the tennis ball, is a Native American artistic motif that looks suspiciously like a group of rockets about to be launched.


Jack throwing the ball at the rocket/arrows on the wall.
Apollo was the god of Archery. Jack is playing ball with Apollo's arrows.

Finally the ball bounces away from Jack and disappears into the darkness of the hotel. Jack walks over and looks down at the model of the maze. He sees Wendy and Danny caught in the middle of the maze, totally unaware of the nature of the deal that he has cut with the Overlook.


A cold winter storm has now blown over the Hotel. The oncoming storm is a symbol of the Cold War between Russia and the United States. Of course the Cold War is also one of the driving forces for the entire reason for faking the moon landings. It was necessary to hide the advanced U.S. saucer technology from the Soviet Union. We were living in a very dangerous world and it was shrewd to hide our advanced technology from the Russians. This is the reason for the bears that are seen all over The Shining. The Russian Bear, and its competition for the race to the Moon, was a driving force behind having to fake the Apollo Moon landings.


Jack, his family, and the Overlook Hotel, are trapped in the Cold, just as America was trapped in the Cold War with Russia. The stuffed bears, seen through out the film, are the Soviet Empire's symbol.

Symbolically the Bears seen through the film are also the representation of the pressure that the Russians put on the USA to get to the Moon. They had to fake the moon landings and cover up the real truth behind the flying saucer craft and machinery that the US government actually has created and employed since World War Two.

Danny is riding his bike through the halls of The Overlook when he comes upon the twin dughters of the previous caretaker. They stare at Danny and together they say: "Come play with us Danny. Forever and ever." Danny turns and wheels it out of there.

At this point in the film we graphically discover the nature of the deal that Jack really cut with the Manager of the Overlook:

It is the most crucial scene in the film. Danny is in a hallway playing with his trucks. Suddenly, out of nowhere, The Project, the Overlook Hotel, rolls the tennis ball, from nowhere, at him. It is a gesture that says: "Wanna play?" It is here that we discover what happened to Jack's tennis ball that was previously swallowed up by the darkness of the Overlook. We also discover what game it is that the twin daughters of the previous caretaker were inviting Danny to play.


Mystified by where the ball came from, Danny stands up, and the audience finally sees what the nature of the Project really is about:

As Danny stands up, the answer is revealed in an instant. Danny is wearing a sweater with a crudely sewn rocket pictured on the front. On the rocket clearly seen on Danny's sweater are the words: APOLLO 11.


The audience watching the film literally sees the launch of Apollo 11, right before their eyes, as Danny rises from the floor. It isn't the real launch of Apollo 11, it is, of course, the symbolic launching of Apollo 11. In other words - it isn't real.

What happens next is crucial to understanding everything else that happens in the film.

Danny, bewildered, walks down the hallway. He sees that Room 237 - the room that Halorann warned him about - has a key in the lock and the door is wide open.

It is important to note that the room in question was numbered 217 in the Stephen King version of The Shining. For unknown reason's Kubrick changed it to 237.

Those unknown reasons are about to be come known.

Danny is literally carrying a symbolic Apollo 11, on his body, via the sweater, to the Moon as he walks over to room 237. Why do I think this?

Because the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 237,000 miles.

The real truth is that this movie is really about the deal that Stanley Kubrick made with the Manager of the Overlook Hotel (America). This deal was to get Kubrick to re-create, in other words, to fake, the Apollo 11 Moon landing.

Danny represents the artistic side of Kubrick. Because of the complexity of the artistic realization of the manner in which the lunar landings needed to appear, Kubrick needed to trust his artistic side.

Room 237 represents the fake lunar set that Stanley had to create to make the lunar landings appear factual. But really, on this set, and in this room, nothing is real.

As the film will soon reveal, Room 237 has to be lied about. It cannot be understood at all … ever.

Nothing real ever happens in room 237.

For a moment, in the film, it looks like Danny is actually going to enter Room 237. But we are never sure.

Kubrick told the press that he changed the room number from 217, as in the King book, to 237 because the owners of the hotel which was standing in for the Overlook did not want customers shunning room 217. Therefore Kubrick changed the number to one that was not in the hotel. So I called up the Timberline Hotel on Mount Hood in Oregon and asked if I could have a reservation for room 237. I was surprised when they said 'yes'. I asked if this room was in a newer part of the resort and was told that the hotel had always had a room 237!

In the next scene Jack has a bad dream while he is working. He tells Wendy that in his dream he has killed Wendy and Danny.

Meanwhile Danny enters the scene and it is obvious that some mysterious force has physically hurt Danny. This mysterious force has also torn his Apollo 11 sweater.

Wendy, horrified, thinks that Jack did it.

In a way she is right because Danny got hurt because of the deal that Jack cut.

Frustrated, Jack goes to the bar located in the Gold Room. Obviously stressed, Jack whispers to no one that he would sell his soul for a drink.

It is then that Jack meets the real manager of the Overlook Hotel. A mysterious man suddenly appears behind the bar. His name is Lloyd and he is the bartender of the Overlook Hotel.


Clearly Stanley Kubrick shows Lloyd in a Satanic light.

Lloyd seduces Jack with a drink.

Jack has sold his soul to the Project, to being the caretaker of the Overlook.

Jack and Lloyd's conversation is interrupted by Wendy's entrance. Lloyd and Jack's glass of Scotch suddenly disappear. Wendy tells Jack that someone else is in the hotel.

Jack then goes to Room 237 and sees the manifestation of a young woman into an old woman.

Because Room 237 is, symbolically, the Lunar Set for Apollo 11, Jack has to lie to Wendy about what is going on in the room. He tells her that nothing is going on in Room 237. It is apparent that Danny must have hurt himself.

It is true, Danny did get hurt because of Jack. Danny is the side of Stanley that knew of Stanley's secret project. Somehow he got into a situation where they (The Overlook Hotel - America) hurt him.

After this Jack begins to go to hell physically. He is growing an unkempt beard and is not combing his hair - two things that Stanley Kubrick was known for doing, or not doing, himself.


Now Jack (Nicholson) is looking a lot like Stanley Kubrick. Especially as he began to appear under the stress of the twin productions going on at once: (1), 2001: A Space Odyssey and (2), faking the Apollo 11 landings. It should also be noted that Jack and Stanley are about the same age and they have the same hair color.

Early 2001: A Space Odysey Production photos show a youthful and un-bearded Kubrick with combed hair, looking quite handsome. But photos taken four years later - near the end of the production of 2001: A Space Odyssey - show that Kubrick was a physical wreck. The de-evolution of Stanley Kubrick's appearance during the production of 2001: A Space Odyssey is disturbingly close to Jack Torrance's (Jack Nicholson's) appearance in The Shining.

Despite his disheveled appearance Jack has started writing again.

Wendy, (who is really supposed to be Kubrick's wife Christina), wants to read the book that Jack is working so furiously on. She asks to see what he is writing. Jack is surprised by her entrance into the room where he does his writing. Angrily he rejects her. He tells her to stay out of the room where he is writing.

It is clear that Wendy, Kubrick's wife, is not allowed to know anything about the Project.

But what is this book that Jack is writing?

Wendy soon finds out what is in the book that Jack is writing. It is then that we get the clincher that proves that this essay is the correct interpretation of Kubrick's The Shining.

Wendy sneaks into Jack's writing room. Slowly she begins to read the book that Jack has been working on.

This scene is totally original to the movie. It is not in the King novel. Although it is mildly terrifying, it is not that horrific. Yet it is the centerpiece of the film and arguably the scariest scene in the movie.

Why?

Because every single one of the hundreds of pages that Jack has been furiously writing is a variation of only one sentence:

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".


Incredibly every page has this exact sentence. And it is written over and over. Truly it is scary enough to think that Jack has just been sitting there, day after day, writing the same sentence, over and over. Wendy face reveals her fear over the discovery.


What does it all mean?

May I humbly suggest that the word "All" in this repeated sentence actually stands for "A11" that is: "A-One-One", or Apollo 11?

"A11 work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

May I suggest that the nickname, or the code name, for the faking of the Apollo Moon Missions was A11?

Accepting that this is true we can see what Stanley is really telling us:

'"Apollo 11 work and no play makes Jack (Kubrick) a dull boy."

If you think that I am stretching things here I would like to point out the patch that NASA had created to symbolize the Apollo program:


There are other 'A's' in the film also. The Overlook Hotel has several A's' built into its construction when viewed from the outside:


Stanley has used these A's before also. Here is the cover of A Clockwork Orange with Alex menacingly coming out of the 'A' with his all-seeing-eye cufflink:

It is clear from the evidence presented in the film that Kubrick's wife (Shelly Duval) had discovered that he (Stanley Kubrick) had made a secret deal with the Manager of the Overlook, (i.e.) with the rulers of the USA.

Shelly Duval (Christina Kubrick) also discovered that what she thought was one thing actually turned out to be another. What Mrs. Kubrick discovered was that - instead of making a science fiction film called 2001: A Space Odyssey - her husband was really working to create the fake Apollo moon landings.

At this point the film finally gets really interesting. Frightened by this revelation Wendy (Stanley's wife) wants Jack (Stanley) to quit the Project.

Jack (Stanley) angrily replies: "That is so typical of you! … I've made an agreement … I have obligations to my employers!"

Danny uses The Shining to contact Dick Halorann in Florida (which I might add is where Apollo 11 was launched). Dick laboriously travels from Florida to Colorado.

In another abrupt break with the novel, Jack Torrance kills Halorann as soon as he arrives at the Overlook (so much for Halorann's psychic abilities!)

While I think this scene is very disturbing and I doubt if I can ever prove this but I think Stanley Kubrick is telling us something very definite with this alteration to the King novel.

I believe that the naïve side of him, represented by Danny, told someone that he, Kubrick, was faking the Apollo missions. He may even have told this person that he was faking the lunar landings for NASA while also appearing to produce the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. Halloran is the representation of the person that Kubrick mistakenly revealed this most secret of all information. Because of that, Halloran, or the person who Stanley told, had to die.

The secret must remain safe. This also explains why Kubrick had to hide all of this crucial information inside the construct of the King novel. Kubrick wanted the story to get out, but he was also afraid for his life. Kubrick had to fake the making of the Stephen King novel so that he could reveal that he was involved in the faking the moon landings!

The truth is that The Shining is the story of how Stanley Kubrick cut a deal with the U.S. Government to fake the Apollo moon landings.

It is also the story of how Kubrick may have accidentally told someone what he had done and how that person had to be killed.

The Shining is also the story of how faking the Apollo moon landings almost sacrificed his relationship with his wife.

Finally it is the story of how Stanley Kubrick barely escaped alive to create another day.

The Shining is the story of how a part of Stanley Kubrick was killed by the agreement that he made with the U. S. government to become the "caretaker" of The Project called A11 or Apollo 11.

It is also the story of the history of NASA.

This explains why the previous "caretaker" was so pressured and stressed that he had to kill his TWIN daughters.


Why?

Because the previous NASA missions before Apollo were named Gemini!

There is much more in this film than can be discussed here. I am sure that much more will be discovered.

I present this tidbit of an interpretation to show not only that Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo moon landings but also to ask NASA to release all of Kubrick's Apollo moon landing footage in their original, glorious 70 mm film.

It is time to shed the lies. But also it is time for the world to view, uncensored, Stanley Kubrick's greatest unknown masterpiece. I ask NASA to release all of the footage directed by Kubrick for the faked Apollo landings.

May I also suggest that NASA use the millions of dollars made from this surely successful movie release to fund another mission to the moon?

I mean it has only been 35 years!

Also - may I suggest a title for this new Kubrick film?

How about:

Never A Straight Answer?

The books in Jack’s apartment reflect the dual nature of Stanley Kubrick. The book on top is entitled “The Wise Child” represented in the film by Danny and the book below is entitled “The Manipulator” which is represented by Jack.

Seven Apollo missions went to the moon, but only six landed. Six crates of 7-up.

Thanks to Shawn Montgomery for igniting my interest in "The Shining" through his great research.

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« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2010, 11:25:09 AM »

Jay Weidner is not someone I trust...he's an occultist.

He might be misleading you from Kubrick's true message...


What if Kubrick put the sweater on Danny and had him stand on the orange carpet as a tribute to the God Apollo?

The God who would speak through the mouths of oracles...Delphi?

Also, often associated with Abaddon or Apollyon mentioned in Revelations?

Lord of the Bottomless Pit...


Weidner, Kubrick, Clarke, Alan Moore...these people are cultists.  Lovecraft was more obvious, but they all share the same beliefs.

You know, Stephen King has often remarked that his stories seem to come through him and not from him.
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« Reply #123 on: February 17, 2010, 03:16:34 PM »


What if Kubrick put the sweater on Danny and had him stand on the orange carpet as a tribute to the God Apollo?
as is usually the case. Either that, or the character wearing/associated with "apollo", is apollo.

The space missions themselves were named after apollo ( the god ), and even the spacecraft Columbia, named after the goddess. Or what about atlantis, the land of "the gods." So yeah, sometimes it's a veneration thing; as is the case with the space missions themselves. Other times, it's the god.
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« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2010, 04:24:17 PM »

as is usually the case. Either that, or the character wearing/associated with "apollo", is apollo.

The space missions themselves were named after apollo ( the god ), and even the spacecraft Columbia, named after the goddess. Or what about atlantis, the land of "the gods." So yeah, sometimes it's a veneration thing; as is the case with the space missions themselves. Other times, it's the god.

I was looking through a book of Arthur C Clarke stories today...One story mentioned a ship called Endeavor and another story had a ship called Challenger.

Also, I was thinking that Danny is an oracle.  He sees the future and has someone else speaking through him.

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« Reply #125 on: February 18, 2010, 07:56:35 AM »

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Stanley's parking space at Elstree Studios


The rig used to transfer dailies to Beta tape on "The Shining"

The Beta decks used to allow access to the vast amount of film shot on "The Shining"

The timecode camera

Picture of Stanley Kubrick in the Overlook bar
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« Reply #126 on: February 18, 2010, 04:07:42 PM »

sweet old pics!
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« Reply #127 on: February 20, 2010, 04:46:43 PM »

Did anyone cached Alex's reference to "the Shining" on the AJS Yesterday (Friday)?

I did.  Grin

He said: "All that work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"



I think what Alex tried to say was that all the work and responsibility makes him feel crazy sometimes

Look at the first row with AoL and ALo - Clearly a reference to Apollo II
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« Reply #128 on: April 04, 2010, 12:45:34 PM »

Did anyone cached Alex's reference to "the Shining" on the AJS Yesterday (Friday)?

I did.  Grin

He said: "All that work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"

I think what Alex tried to say was that all the work and responsibility makes him feel crazy sometimes

Look at the first row with AoL and ALo - Clearly a reference to Apollo II


...or it could be a reference to that "other" evil empire......TimeWarner and it's AOL horror show.....oh wait...Internet wasn't public yet...lol
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« Reply #129 on: April 07, 2010, 07:58:37 PM »

The Shining - Kubrick - The making of Shining (part1/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182eGQPLrYc

The Shining - Kubrick - The making of Shining (part2/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4GMrNTA_HE

The Shining - Kubrick - The making of Shining (part3/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD578aulGb4

The Shining - Kubrick - The making of Shining (part4/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3XT5jC19e0
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« Reply #130 on: June 03, 2010, 01:30:40 AM »

A CG re-creation of the elevator scene, done just for fun-  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7049WVfSanM


The idea started after debating with Rob Ager about his assertion on mysterious subliminal objects viewable within the blood-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7-GKHM5HZ8

See if you agree with the resulting CG explanation-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-q2BG8VY5Y

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« Reply #131 on: June 03, 2010, 07:14:15 AM »

A CG re-creation of the elevator scene, done just for fun-  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7049WVfSanM


The idea started after debating with Rob Ager about his assertion on mysterious subliminal objects viewable within the blood-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7-GKHM5HZ8

See if you agree with the resulting CG explanation-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-q2BG8VY5Y



i totally disagree with the sentiments of this CG recreation. in Kubricks film, something obviously flops out of the elevators with the blood. I'm not saying its some sort of subliminal, but its there - not a reflection. the more i look at it, it vaguely looks like the upper torso of a person lying face down with one arm extended about his head. However, the more logical explanation is that the object is an artifact of the blood effect, some prop or "bag" that helped the blood flow and splash is a way that Kubrick wanted.
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« Reply #132 on: June 03, 2010, 07:18:51 AM »

i totally disagree with the sentiments of this CG recreation. in Kubricks film, something obviously flops out of the elevators with the blood. I'm not saying its some sort of subliminal, but its there - not a reflection. the more i look at it, it vaguely looks like the upper torso of a person lying face down with one arm extended about his head. However, the more logical explanation is that the object is an artifact of the blood effect, some prop or "bag" that helped the blood flow and splash is a way that Kubrick wanted.

Yeah, i mean i loved the second vid, where we see someone flop out, thanks for this Pauly, also with them mopping up all the fake blood i'd say it was a real-life shoot, like the actual elevator was used.
OK the pic Pauly posted looks like a model, but i'd say the scene was mainly a real-life one.
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« Reply #133 on: June 03, 2010, 05:39:03 PM »

i totally disagree with the sentiments of this CG recreation. in Kubricks film, something obviously flops out of the elevators with the blood. I'm not saying its some sort of subliminal, but its there - not a reflection. the more i look at it, it vaguely looks like the upper torso of a person lying face down with one arm extended about his head. However, the more logical explanation is that the object is an artifact of the blood effect, some prop or "bag" that helped the blood flow and splash is a way that Kubrick wanted.

It looks odd at first, but this explanation seems pretty clear http://www.box.net/shared/static/6b94m4ljhb.jpg  As it is explained, the red 'object' on the right is a reflection of the red door just above it,a nd so on.  If you look at the third scene of the elevator in the film, it is the closest angle of the blood, and you can just make out the floor dial indicator also reflected in the blood, right above the door reflection.

...also with them mopping up all the fake blood i'd say it was a real-life shoot, like the actual elevator was used.
OK the pic Pauly posted looks like a model, but i'd say the scene was mainly a real-life one.


I always assumed it was a full size elevator used in the film, but the actual scene is suppose to be a miniature according to a making-of book that the 'Something in the Blood' author mentions. 

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« Reply #134 on: October 15, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »

My first post on Prison Planet.

I watched this movie last night due to my interest in the Apollo 11 theme.

What struck me was actually something expressed here that I didn't realize before...the references to the children as victims of Monarch Mind Control.

When the twin girls first enter the game room there is poster above them to the upper left featuring a shadowy figure pointing a flashlight down upon the two girls.

Underneath the shadowy figure in the poster clearly read "MONARCH".

I don't know how well known this supposed program was in 1980...but I'm guessing very few people would have known anything about it.

And the chances that the scene would appeared by coincidence in Kubrick film have to be about slim and none.

This would also clearly explain how Danny developed Dissociative Identity Disorder and why he is afraid of his father.
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« Reply #135 on: October 15, 2010, 05:47:07 PM »


This would also clearly explain how Danny developed Dissociative Identity Disorder and why he is afraid of his father.

Cool! but Danny was not afraid of his father(in the movie), only after Jackie went cukoo did Danny fear him.
The monarch things sounds excellent and i'll take a blu ray pic tomorrow in the day time cause i don't have the balls to put that movie on right now, it's almost one in the morning here and very ...very dark. Grin
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« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2010, 09:09:56 AM »

..When the twin girls first enter the game room there is poster above them to the upper left featuring a shadowy figure pointing a flashlight down upon the two girls ...

When they first enter the game room, i don't remember the game room?

*Goes to find the 'game room'.*
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« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2010, 09:26:04 AM »

My first post on Prison Planet...

Got it, ...

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« Reply #139 on: October 17, 2010, 03:26:34 AM »

Wow Good Catch!! Im glad people are discussing this film. When I read the breakdown of what this film was actually about, it just clicked. Brilliance! Really. Its a shame Kubrick died. Maybe they wouldn't have finished AI.
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« Reply #140 on: October 17, 2010, 07:45:32 AM »



HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

NICE CATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






PROJECT MONARCH

The Anglo Alliance

By the 19th century, Great Britain and Germany were recognized as the primary geographic areas of Illuminati control. It then should be of little surprise to know the first work in Behavioral Science research was established in England in 1882, while much of the early medical and psychiatric techniques involved in mind control were pioneered at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Germany.  The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations was set up in London in 1921 to study the “breaking point” of humans. Kurt Lewin, a German psychologist, became the director of the Tavistock Institute in 1932, about the same time Nazi Germany was increasing its research into neuropsychology, parapsychology and multi-generational occultism.

Interestingly, a progressive exchange of scientific ideas was taking place between England and Germany, most notably in the field of eugenics: the movement devoted to “improving” the human species through the control of hereditary factors in mating. The nefariously enigmatic union between the two countries was bonded, partly through the Order of the Golden Dawn, a secret society which consisted of many high ranking officials in the Nazi party and British aristocracy.  Top SS Nazi officer Heinrich Himmler, was in charge of a scientific project called Lebersborn, which included selective breeding and adoption of children, a peculiarly large number of twins among them.[2] The purpose of the program was to create a super-race (Aryans) who would have total allegiance to the cause of the Third Reich(New World Order).

Much of the preliminary experimentation concerning genetic engineering and behavior modification was conducted by Dr. Josef Mengele at Auschwitz, where he coldly analyzed the effects of trauma-bonding, eye-coloring and “twinning” upon his victims.  Beside the insidious surgical experimentation performed at the concentration camp, some of the children were subjected to massive amounts of electroshock. Sadly, many of them did not survive the brutality.

Concurrently, “brain-washing” was carried out on inmates at Dachau, who were placed under hypnosis and given the hallucinogenic drug mescaline. During the war, parallel behavioral research was led by Dr. George Estabrooks of Colgate University. His involvement with the Army, CID, FBI and other agencies remains shrouded in secrecy.  However, Estabrooks would occasionally “slip” and discuss his work involving the creation of hypno-programmed couriers and hypnotically-induced split personalities.[3]

After WWII, the U.S. Department of Defense secretly imported many of the top German Nazi and Italian Fascist scientists and spies into the United States via South America and the Vatican. The code name for this operation was Project PAPERCLIP.[4] One of the more prominent finds for the U.S. was German General Reinhard Gehlen. Hitler’s Chief of Intelligence against  Russia. Upon arriving in Washington D.C. in 1945, Gehlen met extensively with President Truman, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan, Director of the Office of Strategic Services(OSS) and Allen Dulles, who would later become the stalwart head of the CIA. The objective of their brain-storming sessions was to reorganize the nominal American intelligence operation, transforming it into a highly-efficient covert organization.  The culmination of their efforts produced the Central Intelligence Group in 1946, renamed the Central Intelligence Agency(CIA) in 1947.

Reinhard Gehlen also had profound influence in helping to create the National Security Council, from which the National Security Act of 1947 was derived. This particular piece of legislation was implemented to protect an unconscionable number of illegal government activities, including clandestine mind control programs.

[...]

Bloodlines and Twinning

A majority of the victims/survivors come from multi-generational Satanic families (bloodlines) and are ostensibly programmed “to fill their destiny as the chosen ones or chosen generations” (a term coined by Mengele at Auschwitz). Some are adopted out to families of similar origin. Others used in this neurological nightmare are deemed as the “expendable ones” (non-bloodliners), usually coming from orphanages, foster care homes, or incestuous families with a long history of pedophilia. There also appears to be a pattern of family members affiliated with government or military intelligence agencies.

Many of the abused come from families who use Catholicism, Mormonism, or charismatic Christianity as a “front” for their abominable activities (though members of other religious groups are also involved.)

Victims/survivors generally respond more readily to a rigid religious (dogmatic, legalistic) hierarchical structure because it parallels their base programming. Authority usually goes unchallenged, as their will has been usurped through subjective and command-oriented conditioning.

Physical identification characteristics on victims/survivors often include multiple electrical prod scars and/or resultant moles on their skin. A few may have had various parts of their bodies mutilated by knives, branding irons, or needles, Butterfly or occult tattoos are also common. Generally, bloodliners are less likely to have the subsequent markings, as their skin is to “remain pure and unblemished.”

The ultimate purpose of the sophisticated manipulation of these individuals may sound unrealistic, depending upon our interpretive understanding of the physical and spiritual realms. The deepest and darkest alters within bloodliners are purported to be dormant until the “Anti-Christ’ is revealed. These “New World Order” alters supposedly contain call-back orders and instructions to train and/or initiate a large influx of people (possibly clones or “soulless ones”), thereby stimulating social control programs into the new millennium.  Non-biological “twinning” is yet another bizarre feature observed within MONARCH programming. For instance, two young non related children would be ceremoniously initiated in a magical “soul-bonding” ritual so they might be “inseparably paired for eternity” (possibly another Mengele connection?). They essentially share two halves of the programmed information, making them interdependent upon one another. Paranormal phenomenon such as astral projection, telepathy, ESP, etc.  appear to be more pronounced between those who have undergone this process.

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Deprogrammers and Exposers

Dr. Corydon Hammond, a Psychologist from the University of Utah, delivered a stunning lecture entitled “Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse” at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, June 25, 1992 in Alexandria, Virginia. He essentially confirmed the suspicions of the attentive crowd of mental health professionals, wherein a certain percentage of their clients had undergone mind control programming in an intensively systematic manner. Hammond alluded to the Nazi connection, military and CIA mind control research, Greek letter and color programming and specifically mentioned the Monarch Project in relation to a form of operative conditioning.

Shortly after his ground breaking speech, he received death threats. Not wanting to jeopardize the safety of his family, Dr.  Hammond stopped disseminating any follow-up information, until recently.  Mark Phillips, a former electronics subcontractor for the Department of Defense, was privy to some of the top secret mind control activities perpetrated by the U.S. government. His inquisitive demeanor, strong conscience and heart-felt concern for Cathy O’Brien, a “Presidential Model’ under Project MONARCH, prompted him to reveal the inner-workings of this grand deception beginning about 1991. As the story goes, he helped Ms. O’Brien escape from her captors and was able to deprogram her in about a years time in Alaska. The controversial Phillips has his share of critics who are skeptical of the veracity of his claims.  New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients before the President’s Committee on Human Radiation Experiments on March 15, 1995 in Washington D.C. The astonishing testimony made by these two brave women included accounts of German doctors, torture, drugs, electroshock, hypnosis and rape, besides being exposed to an undetermined amount of radiation. Both Wolf and her patients stated they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques.[19] Wolf presently devotes much of her time to counseling such survivors.

A former labor attorney for Atlantic Richfield Co., David E.  Rosenbaum, conducted a nine year investigation (1983-1992) concerning allegations of physical torture and coercive conditioning of numerous employees at an ARCO plant in Monaca, PA.[20] His clients, Jerry L. Dotey and Ann White, were victims of apparent radiation exposure; but as Mr. Rosenbaum probed deeper in the subsequent interview sessions, a “Pandora’s Box” was unveiled. His most astonishing conclusion was that Jerry Dotey and Ann White were likely the off-spring of Adolf Hitler, based in part on the uncanny resemblance from photos (facial features; bone structure and size were taken into consideration).  Rosenbaum also states, “They both exhibit feelings and experiences that indicate they are twins.” Dotey and White were allegedly subjected to torture of many kinds while under drug induced hypnosis, with each one undergoing at least three training techniques by plant physicians.  Each victim was trained to enter into a hypnotic state upon the occurrence of specific stimuli, usually involving a “cue” word or phrase and trained to “remember to forget” what transpired in the hypnotic state. They were repeatedly subjected to identical stimulus-response sequence, to produce nearly automatic reactions to the particular status. MKULTRA veteran, Dr. Bernard Diamond, Dr. Martin Orne and Dr.  Josef Mengele regularly visited the ARCO plant, according to Rosenbaum.  The special conditioning of Dotey and White was intended for the artificial creation of dual German personalities. Rosenbaum, who is Jewish, has maintained a deep friendship with the two, despite the seemingly precarious circumstances.

Other renowned therapists involved in deprogramming are Cynthia Byrtus, Pamela Monday, Steve Ogilvie, Bennett Braun, Jerry Mungadze and Colin Ross. Some Christian counselors have been able to eliminate parts of the programming with limited success.

Journalists who have recently expounded on the subject matter in exemplary fashion are Walter Bowart, Operation Mind Control, Jon Rappoport, U.S. Government Mind-Control Experiments on Children and Alex Constantine, Psychic Dictatorship In The USA

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« Reply #141 on: October 18, 2010, 08:35:55 AM »

Interesting indeed..
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« Reply #142 on: October 19, 2010, 12:21:24 AM »

Interesting indeed..
It's reported that some of the trapped miners spotted a butterfly just before collapse, probably some 'wink wink' bs put out for all those in the know.
Monarch butterfly, that's where the mind control program got it's name, the intense feeling of freedom after the trauma.
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« Reply #143 on: October 28, 2010, 11:04:51 PM »


A more professional pic from same scene.
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« Reply #144 on: October 28, 2010, 11:33:19 PM »


The scene right before this as the lady is climbing the stairs is shot amazingly.
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« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2010, 07:50:46 AM »

I am going to watch this again tonight and look for more Apollo 11 references.
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« Reply #146 on: November 29, 2010, 02:19:43 AM »

Absolutely amazing! I have seen this film I do not know how many times, and I never noticed what was on that poster. No doubt in my mind that Kubrick put it there on purpose, knowing that someone would eventually discover it. What a sly genius.
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« Reply #147 on: November 29, 2010, 03:44:21 AM »

Absolutely amazing! I have seen this film I do not know how many times, and I never noticed what was on that poster. No doubt in my mind that Kubrick put it there on purpose, knowing that someone would eventually discover it. What a sly genius.

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« Reply #148 on: November 29, 2010, 06:33:15 AM »

Everything that appears in the frame of a film, is there intentionally, and that is especially true of Kubrick films.

I'm more than a little intrigued by that poster directly behind them.
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« Reply #149 on: November 29, 2010, 08:50:25 AM »

Everything that appears in the frame of a film, is there intentionally, and that is especially true of Kubrick films.

I'm more than a little intrigued by that poster directly behind them.

Definitely looks like an owl/bull/moloch figure hovering behind a victim.

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« Reply #150 on: November 29, 2010, 08:54:14 AM »

Everything that appears in the frame of a film, is there intentionally, and that is especially true of Kubrick films.
Yeah, that really is something to ponder, total art, i got a new macro lens myself, maybe i'll take a pic of the playgirl magazine that Jackie is caught reading towards beginning of movie, but i don't really see how that fits into the story at all, if you'd like any other pics from his films it would be a pleasure.

Definitely looks like an owl/bull/moloch figure hovering behind a victim.

*Hmm, there's an excuse for another pic right there.* Smiley
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*Hmm, there's an excuse for another pic right there.* Smiley

I'll do it later, my bluray thirty day software trial has expired so i gotta clear the hard disc and reload the OS, any other ideas though, don't be shy to post as it's fun to do. Smiley
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« Reply #152 on: November 29, 2010, 11:08:49 AM »


There are other 'A's' in the film also. The Overlook Hotel has several A's' built into its construction when viewed from the outside:


and this one:



Probably just a coincidence  Wink
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« Reply #153 on: November 29, 2010, 06:05:03 PM »

Definitely looks like an owl/bull/moloch figure hovering behind a victim.

It's really too small to get a much clearer shot, some-time i'd like to trawl through it again, real eagle eyed and all, till then maybe folks would like this :

Kubrick on The Shining

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« Reply #154 on: November 29, 2010, 06:45:25 PM »

I've been going over Rob Ager's work on the shining, some very disturbing ideas about child abuse surface, i'd like to post quality pics to document this idea sometime, it ties in the playgirl magazine seen towards beginning.



Look at magazine above^^ >>INCEST: Why Parents Sleep With Their Children

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« Reply #155 on: November 29, 2010, 06:53:11 PM »

Wow, nice catch on the Playgirl thing.  Do you really think Kubrick would just let Nicholson wave some Playgirl mag around in his masterpiece?  It's there on purpose, probably because of the incest article.  That's really weird.

Thanks for the pic Netizen X....when I look close I can hardly tell what is in the center.  It looks like a headless torso holding it's arms out.  The ring reminds me of a Stargate or the ring around Shiva in statues of him dancing.  It almost looks like something is stepping through...

Are the A's symbolic of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)? 
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I believe you have a bull in middle, with a lion at bottom, surrounded by the snake eating it's tail, the black thing at top ain't part of poster. Tongue
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« Reply #157 on: November 29, 2010, 07:46:35 PM »

Nice blow up, dude.

I think it is supposed to be an image inside of a mirror.  It is either people around a long table with a white cloth or on either side of a white aisle.

Either way it looks like a ceremony of some sort and it is hard to tell what is at the head.


Do you know where the opening scene is and what road is being followed?  It's not in Colorado...it's in Montana.

The Shining - Opening Scene
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Glacier National Park.  St Marys Lake...the little island is called Wild Goose Island.  The road is named "Going-To-The-Sun Road"...

http://www.nps.gov/glac/planyourvisit/gttsrfaq.htm

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How did the Going-to-the-Sun Road get its name?
The road officially received its name, “The Going-to-the-Sun Road,” during the 1933 dedication at Logan Pass. The road borrowed its name from nearby Going-to-the-Sun Mountain. Local legend, and a 1933 press release issued by the Department of the Interior, told the story of the deity, Sour Spirit, who came down from the sun to teach Blackfeet braves the rudiments of the hunt. On his way back to the sun, Sour Spirit had his image reproduced on the top of the mountain for inspiration to the Blackfeet. An alternate story suggests a white explorer in the 1880s concocted the name and the legend. No matter which version is accurate, the road named Going-to-the-Sun still inspires all who travel it.

It sure seems to have inspired Stanley Kubrick...
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« Reply #158 on: November 30, 2010, 05:18:08 AM »


It sure seems to have inspired Stanley Kubrick...

Thanks man, this makes the movie that more special, it's probably by far my fav Kubrick movie.
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