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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2010, 09:21:06 PM »
Was Halloran in the original book?...

I believe the cook's name was Dick Hallorann, i dunno about the book though,
but yeah, it's awesome to know the Truth right?  :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/

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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2010, 09:27:49 PM »
I enjoyed all of the writer's Kubrick pieces.  I emailed him after reading the one on The Shining:

I found your article about The Shining most enlightening. I have some thoughts you might be interested in.

NASA was founded by Nazis. Operation Paperclip rescued the German rocket scientists who founded NASA, and interestingly, the Nazi deathcamp doctors were rescued in the same operation. They were dispersed throughout North and South America so they could continue their research into trauma-based mind control.

Stanley Kubrick was very aware of trauma-based mind control (sometimes referred to as Monarch programming or MK-Ultra programming). Eyes Wide Shut deals with the subject.  Anyway, in The Shining, young Danny develops an inner voice after a trauma (injury by his father). This raises the trauma theme which Kubrick explored more fully in Eyes Wide Shut.

Also, the Nazis were occultic, and the two high holy days on the occultic calendar are May 1 and October 31. The dates May 1 and October 30 are referred to repeatedly in The Shining. It seems that Kubrick was aware of NASA's occultic connections and was commenting on them.

Thanks for your article. Hope you find these notes of some interest.

Best wishes.

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2010, 09:33:41 PM »
Wouldn't you love to see the "full" version of eyes wide shut, man that would be something.

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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2010, 10:39:12 PM »


Gemini - the previous NASA missions

Was Halloran in the original book?

Yes i believe he was, though the movie strays in many ways from the book,
like in the book the sisters are not twins.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2010, 11:09:24 PM »






A Must read indeed!

Secrets of The Shining:

http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html

How Stanley Kubrick Faked the Apollo Moon Landings:
http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html
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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2010, 11:13:02 PM »

A Must read indeed!

Secrets of The Shining:

http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html

How Stanley Kubrick Faked the Apollo Moon Landings:
http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

I've yet to read that one.^^

Yes!
In the book the room is 217, but as it's about 237,000 miles to the moon, Kubrick, the truther that he was changed it accordingly.

What a great man Kubrick was, look at the cover for clockwork orange, pyramid and all seeing eye,
what a guy!

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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2010, 11:17:38 PM »
After going back over this thread I started reading about Kubrick.  His next project, after Eyes Wide Shut, was to be A.I.  The movie was taken over and finished by Spielberg (an elite tool).  I was looking for the original Kubrick script but couldn't find it...it was still in development, like all his stuff was until he shot and edited.  A lot of info about A.I. at the link below.  Plus info on his other projected movies:

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/index2.html

Traumnovelle - starring Steve Martin (1980s?)
Synopsis: Possibly a comic version of Arthur Schitzler's "Traumnovelle," - now made as Eyes Wide Shut
Development- In the mid eighties, Kubrick was impressed by Steve Martins 'The Jerk' (1979) and was anxious to do a project with him. They met a few times but not known whether any story or script ideas had been discussed. Diane Johnson said recently revealed that Kubrick at one time conceived his adaptation of "Traumnovelle," to be a comedy and he: "explored it with Steve Martin". Michael Herr also reported Kubrick's interest in doing "Traumnovelle" as a dark sex comedy with Steve Martin in the lead, Herr says that he, Diane Johnson and David Cornwall aka John Le Carré were also approached by Kubrick to write it.

(I'm having trouble picturing Steve Martin in Eyes Wide Shut)

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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2010, 11:22:35 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2010, 11:30:22 PM »
The Appolo 11 references seems probable. After all, every great artists leave a good deal of sub level references in their art, specially if they have political views or "information" they can't share too clearly.

What is surprising is that often those references pop up by themselves from accidents, more or less consciously.

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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2010, 11:38:19 PM »


2001 A Space odyssey - (1968)

Apollo 11 - (1969)

I'm left with little doubt myself.

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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2010, 11:47:52 PM »
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I'm left with little doubt myself.

I'm not 100% sure, but, based on what I know of the topic, I would say it's about 90% likely that Kubrick was encoding something about the Apollo 11 moon mission in The Shining. Did he help fake the photos and films? Not sure, but my hunch is that they were faked, and he had a hand in helping out.

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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2010, 12:12:29 AM »
Yeah, TnX Viper 5,500 - Creapy  :D


Reading this stuff is mind blowing:

How Stanley Kubrick Faked the Apollo Moon Landings: Front Screen Projection
http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

Found many anomalies on the Moon pictures myself as well so I am not completely surprised about that.

But the use of Front Screen Projection is completely new for me and very obvious when you know it.


Don't forget about this so-called "fake" docu either!

The docu which is "Hiding in Plane sight" the truth in my opinion.

Don't believe a bit of it, it' s exactly what the satanistic masonics always do and like; "Hiding in plane sight".

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOItuKm5UE

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpeIs5MFTYU

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDL1ugE7Tfw

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr_yNefhINw

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXrKRuNvNU

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU5YyolUHAw

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZfHLxWfCLQ

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivU7WObCFzs

Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bhpfy-4mws
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« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2010, 12:25:56 AM »

Don't forget about this so-called "fake" docu either!...

Awesome, maybe i seen this a while back,
though i'll be sure to give it another go with new eyes.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2010, 12:56:10 AM »
Gary McKinnon poor kid....

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2006/06/71182
6/06: 'UFO Hacker' Tells What He Found

A NASA photographic expert said that there was a Building 8 at Johnson Space Center where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. I logged on to NASA and was able to access this department. They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.
 
I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created
 
I also got access to Excel spreadsheets. One was titled "Non-Terrestrial Officers." It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.
 
July 30, 2008 :
 
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/british-ufo-hac.html
 
Threat Level extends its warmest welcome to hacker Gary McKinnon, who just lost his extradition appeal to the U.K.'s highest court and will soon be pressing his search for extraterrestrial life from the confines of a U.S. detention facility.
 
In interviews, McKinnon has admitted the hacking spree (though not the damage), which he says was a search for evidence of a military UFO coverup.
 
UFO Hacker McKinnon Extradited  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PkNPCEnJM
 
Project Camelot interviews Gary McKinnon  - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4252902807834262581
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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2010, 01:19:38 AM »
http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIc.html
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When the Apollo photographic record is examined, the exact opposite of what one would expect to find is discovered. Instead of many out of focus shots, we find that nearly every shot is in pristine focus. And these amateur photographer-astronauts have an uncanny sense of composition, especially when one remembers that they are not even able to look through their camera's viewfinders. Their images have the unmistakable quality of a highly polished professional photographer.

Before embarking on his film career Stanley Kubrick was a professional photographer working for Look Magazine.

All(?) the CIA Operation Mockingbird Publisher's were also Bilderberg Principals:
Bilderberger's in the Kennedy Administration
Cowles, Gardner  - Owner-Publisher "Look Magazine"

In early 1964 Jacqueline Kennedy commissioned Manchester to produce an account of the assassination
Harper & Row published "Death of a President" in the spring of 1967 . The Kennedy family retains control of materials related to Death. Jacqueline Kennedy's interview tapes with the author are sealed at the Kennedy Library until 2067. the Kennedy family has permitted the book to go out of print.[2] Received $665,000 from Look magazine for serial rights

NEWSPAPERS OWNED, including Cowles family holdings during his life: Des Moines (Iowa) Register (1903- 1985) Des Moines Tribune (1908-1982); Minneapolis (Minnesota) Star (1935- 1982); Minneapolis Tribune (1941- 1982 ); Minneapolis Star-Tribune (1982-Present); San Juan (Puerto Rico) Star (1959-1970); Gainemille (Florida) Sun (1962-1971); Lukeland (Florida) Ledger (1963- 1971); Rapid City (South Dakota) Journal (1964- 1990); Great Falls (Montana) Tribune (1965- 1990) Suffolk (Long Island, N.Y.) Sun (1966-1969); Palatka (Florida) Daily News (1969- 1971); Leesburg (Florida)-Daily Commercial (1969-1971); Jackson (Tennessee) Sun (1972- 1985); Waukesha (Wisconsin) Freeman (1978-1983).
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« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2010, 03:00:36 AM »
Quote du Jour: Ben Rich...
22 January 2010
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http://turbohenk.blogspot.com/2010/01/quote-du-jour-ben-rich.html



Benjamin Robert Rich (June 18, 1925 – January 5, 1995) was the second director of Lockheed's Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991, succeeding its founder, Kelly Johnson. Regarded as the "father of stealth," Ben Rich was responsible for leading the development of the F-117, the first production stealth aircraft. He also worked on the F-104, U-2, SR-71, A-12, and F-22 among others, many of which are still classified.

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity" -Ben Rich

he also went on to say:

"Anything you can imagine we already know how to do." -Ben Rich

We now have the technology to take ET home" -Ben Rich

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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2010, 03:16:33 AM »

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity" -Ben Rich


This was also indirectly confirmed to me by someone who actually went into the Deep Underground Military Bases. Can't confirm it as "truth" of course since we will never be revealed the technology they have.

I think that all the UFO people have seen, some going at insane speed, are man made.

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2010, 07:30:35 AM »
I'm on the fence weather the moon landings were faked, but with all the errors and inconsistencies with the moon landing footage and stills, i'm pretty sure it WASNT Kubrick's work knowing how meticulous he was.
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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2010, 10:07:02 AM »
Not sure if this was talked about, but the scenes of the Big Wheel is ominously similar to moon vehicles just driving around aimlessly. Kubrick seems to be communicating something here.

This picture does not do it justice, but re-watch the scenes of the big wheel rolling around.




Interesting the name "Big Wheel" which can easily be a reference to Von Braun's "Big Wheel"




And while on the topic of Von Braun and NASA (which was created by the Nazis), why not look into the real meaning of the twins. Could it be a reference to the Nazi/US/UK eugenics programs that are also run out of NASA cloak of secrecy (including Area 51 and interspecies cloaning crapola):











Mengele's Children: The Twins of Auschwitz
http://history1900s.about.com/od/auschwitz/a/mengeletwins.htm
By Jennifer Rosenberg, About.com Guide


The notorious doctor of Auschwitz, Josef Mengele, has become an enigma of the twentieth century. Mengele's handsome physical appearance, fastidious dress, and calm demeanor greatly contradicted his attraction to murder and gruesome experiments.

Mengele's seeming omnipresence at the ramp as well as his fascination with twins have incited images of a mad, evil monster. His ability to elude capture had increased his notoriety as well as given him a mystical and devious persona.

But in May 1943, Mengele entered Auschwitz as an educated, experienced, medical researcher. With funding for his experiments, he worked alongside some of the top medical researchers of the time. Anxious to make a name for himself, Mengele searched for the secrets of heredity. The Nazi ideal of the future would benefit from the help of genetics: if Aryan women could assuredly give birth to twins who were sure to be blond and blue eyed - then the future could be saved.

Mengele, as he learned while working for Professor Otmar Freiherr von Vershuer, believed that twins held these secrets. Auschwitz seemed the best location for such research because of the large number of available twins to use as specimens.

The Ramp

Mengele took his turn as the selector on the ramp, but unlike most of the other selectors, he arrived sober. With a small flick of his finger or riding crop, a person would either be sent to the left or to the right, to the gas chamber or to hard labor. Mengele would get very excited when finding twins. The other SS who helped unload the transports had been given special instructions to find twins, dwarfs, giants, or anyone else with a unique hereditary trait like a club foot or heterochromia (each eye a different color). Mengele's seeming omnipresence on the ramp stemmed not only from his selection duty, but his additional appearance when it was not his turn as selector to ensure twins would not be missed.

As the unsuspecting people were herded off the train and ordered into separate lines, SS would shout "Zwillinge!" ("twins!"). Parents were forced to make a quick decision. Unsure of their situation, already being separated from family members when forced to form lines, seeing barbed wire, smelling an unfamiliar stench - was it good or bad to be a twin?

Some parents did announce their twins. Some relatives, friends, or neighbors would announce the twins. Some mothers tried to hide their twins. The SS and Mengele would search through the surging ranks of people in search of twins and anyone with unusual traits. While many twins were either announced or discovered, some sets of twins were successfully hidden and walked with their mother into the gas chamber.

Which was the right decision - to announce or not to announce their twins? I don't think there necessarily was one. Approximately three thousand twins were pulled from the masses on the ramp, most of them children; only around two hundred survived.

When the twins were found, they were taken away from their parents.

Once the SS guard knew we were twins, Miriam and I were taken away from our mother, without any warning or explanation.

Our screams fell on deaf ears. I remember looking back and seeing my mother's arms stretched out in despair as we were led away by a soldier.

That was the last time I saw her.1

As the twins were led away to be processed, their parents and family stayed on the ramp and went through selection. Occasionally, if the twins were very young Mengele would allow the mother to join her children in order for their health to be assured for the experiments.

Processing

After the twins had been taken from their parents, they were taken to the showers. Since they were "Mengele's children," they were treated differently than other prisoners. Besides the obvious, suffering through medical experiments, the twins were often allowed to keep their hair and allowed to keep their own clothes.

The twins were then tattooed. They were given a number from a special sequence.2 They were then taken to the twin's barracks where they were required to fill out a form. The form asked for a brief history and basic measurements such as age and height. Many of the twins were too young to fill the form out by themselves so the Zwillingsvater ("Twin's Father") helped them. (This inmate was assigned to the job of taking care of the male twins.) Once the form was filled out, the twins were taken to Mengele. Mengele asked them more questions and looked for any unusual traits.

Life for the Twins

Each morning, life for the twins began at six o'clock. The twins were required to report for roll call in front of their barracks no matter what the weather. After roll call, they ate a small breakfast. Then each morning, Mengele would appear for an inspection.

Mengele's presence did not necessarily connote fear in the children. He was often known to appear with pockets full of candy and chocolates, to pat them on the head, to talk with them, and sometimes even play. Many of the children, especially the younger ones, called him "Uncle Mengele."3

The twins were given brief instruction in makeshift "classes" and were sometimes even allowed to play soccer.4 The children were not required to do hard work and had jobs like being a messenger. Twins were also spared from punishments as well as from the frequent selections within the camp.

Conditions for the twins were one of the best in Auschwitz, until the trucks came to take them to the experiments.

Experiments

Generally, every day, every twin had to have blood drawn.

Blood, often in large quantities, was drawn from twins' fingers and arms, and sometimes both their arms simultaneously. The youngest children, whose arms and hands were very small, suffered the most: Blood was drawn from their necks, a painful and frightening procedure.5

It was estimated that approximately ten cubic centimeters of blood was drawn daily.6

Besides having blood drawn, the twins were to undergo various medical experiments. Mengele kept his exact reasoning for his experiments a secret. Many of the twins that he experimented on weren't sure for what purpose the individual experiments were for nor what exactly what was being injected or done to them.

Each morning, the twins would wonder what was in store for them that day. Would their number be called? If yes, then the trucks would pick them up and take them to one of several laboratories.

Measurements

The twins were forced to undress and lay next to each other. Then every detail of their anatomy was carefully examined, studied, and measured. What was the same was deemed to be hereditary and was different was deemed to be the result of the environment. These tests would last for several hours.

Blood

Blood tests included mass transfusions of blood from one twin to another.

Eyes

In attempts to fabricate blue eyes, drops or injections of chemicals would be put in the eyes. This often caused severe pain, infections, and temporary or permanent blindness.

Shots and Diseases

Mysterious injections that caused severe pain. Injections into the spine and spinal taps with no anesthesia. Diseases, including typhus and tuberculosis, would be purposely given to one twin and not the other. When one died, the other was often killed to examine and compare the effects of the disease.

Surgeries

Various surgeries without anesthesia including organ removal, castration, and amputations.

One day, my twin brother, Tibi, was taken away for some special experiments. Dr. Mengele had always been more interested in Tibi. I am not sure why - perhaps because he was the older twin.

Mengele made several operations on Tibi. One surgery on his spine left my brother paralyzed. He could not walk anymore. Then they took out his sexual organs. After the fourth operation, I did not see Tibi anymore.

I cannot tell you how I felt. It is impossible to put into words how I felt. They had taken away my father, my mother, my two older brothers - and now, my twin.7

Death

Dr Miklos Nyiszli was Mengele's prisoner pathologist. The autopsies became the final experiment. Dr. Nyiszli performed autopsies on twins whom had died from the experiments or whom had been purposely killed just for after-death measurements and examination. Some of the twins had been stabbed with a needle that pierced their heart and then were injected with chloroform or phenol which caused near immediate blood coagulation and death.

Some of the organs, eyes, blood samples, and tissues would be sent to Verschuer for further study.

Notes
1. Eva Mozes as quoted in Lucette Matalon Lagnado and Sheila Cohn Dekel, Children of the Flames: Dr. Josef Mengle and the Untold Story of the Twins of Auschwitz (New York: William Morrow and Company, Inc., 1991) 56.
2. Robert Jay Lifton, The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide (BasicBooks, 1986) 348.
3. Lagnado, Children 68.
4. Lagnado, Children 67.
5. Lagnado, Children 62.
6. Lifton, Nazi 350.
7. Moshe Offer as quoted in Lagnado, Children 71.

Bibliography
Lagnado, Lucette Matalon and Sheila Cohn Dekel. Children of the Flames: Dr. Josef Mengle and the Untold Story of the Twins of Auschwitz. New York: William Morrow and Company, Inc., 1991.
Lifton, Robert Jay. The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide. BasicBooks, 1986.
Nyiszli, Dr. Miklos. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account. 1960. New York: Arcade Publishing, 1993.



Boys from Brazil
(Eugenics Nazi Cloning Agenda exposed in book form in 1976 and in movie form in 1978)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4945911/
Plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil_(novel)
Yakov Liebermann is an elderly gentleman who is known as a Nazi hunter: he runs a center in Vienna that documents crimes against humanity perpetrated during the Holocaust. The waning interest of the Western nations in tracking down Nazi criminals has forced him to move the center to his lodgings.

Then, in September 1974, Liebermann receives a disturbing phone call from a young man who claims he has just finished eavesdropping on the so-called "Angel of Death," Dr. Josef Mengele, the concentration camp medical doctor who performed horrible experiments on camp victims during World War II. According to the young man, Mengele is activating the Kameradenwerk for a strange assignment: he is sending out six Nazis to kill 94 men, who share a few common traits. All men are civil servants, and all of them have to be killed on or about a certain date. All are 65 years old (at the time of their killing).

Before the young man can finish the conversation, there is a muffled sound of sudden action, followed by silence, and then the telephone line goes dead.

Liebermann hesitates about what to do: he gets so many prank calls. But what if what the young man said is true? He decides to try to investigate. It eventually transpires each of the 94 targets has a son aged 13, a clone of Adolf Hitler planted by Mengele. The killing of each civil servant father (married to a younger woman) is an attempt to mimic the death of Hitler's own father, with the hope of creating a new Führer for the Nazi movement. This was based on the hope that the Third Reich could develop again into a new superpower.



Nazi angel of death Josef Mengele 'created twin town in Brazil'
The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html
By Nick Evans in Buenos Aires
Published: 8:00PM GMT 21 Jan 2009

One in five pregnancies in the small Brazilian town have resulted in twins - most of them blond haired and blue eyed

The steely hearted "Angel of Death", whose mission was to create a master race fit for the Third Reich, was the resident medic at Auschwitz from May 1943 until his flight in the face of the Red Army advance in January 1945.

His task was to carry out experiments to discover by what method of genetic quirk twins were produced – and then to artificially increase the Aryan birthrate for his master, Adolf Hitler.

Now, a historian claims, Mengele's notorious experiments may have borne fruit.

For years scientists have failed to discover why as many as one in five pregnancies in a small Brazilian town have resulted in twins – most of them blond haired and blue eyed.

But residents of Candido Godoi now claim that Mengele made repeated visits there in the early 1960s, posing at first as a vet but then offering medical treatment to the women of the town.

Shuttling between Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil, he managed to evade justice before his death in 1979, but his dreams of a Nazi master race appeared unfulfilled.

In a new book, Mengele: the Angel of Death in South America, the Argentine historian Jorge Camarasa, a specialist in the post-war Nazi flight to South America, has painstakingly pieced together the Nazi doctor's mysterious later years.

After speaking to the townspeople of Candido Godoi, he is convinced that Mengele continued his genetic experiments with twins – with startling results.

He reveals how, after working with cattle farmers in Argentina to increase their stock, Mengele fled the country after fellow Nazi, Adolf Eichmann, was kidnapped by Israeli agents.

He claims that Mengele found refuge in the German enclave of Colonias Unidas, Paraguay, and from there, in 1963, began to make regular trips to another predominantly German community just over the border in Brazil – the farming community of Candido Godoi.

And, Mr Camaras claims, it was here that soon after the birthrate of twins began to spiral.

"I think Candido Godoi may have been Mengele's laboratory, where he finally managed to fulfil his dreams of creating a master race of blond haired, blue eyed Aryans," he said.

"There is testimony that he attended women, followed their pregnancies, treated them with new types of drugs and preparations, that he talked of artificial insemination in human beings, and that he continued working with animals, proclaiming that he was capable of getting cows to produce male twins."

The urbane German who arrived in Candido Godoi was remembered with fondness by many of the townspeople.

"He told us he was a vet," said Aloisi Finkler, a local farmer interviewed by Mr Camarasa. "He asked about illnesses we had among our animals, and told us not to worry, he could cure them. He appeared a cultured and dignified man."

Another farmer, Leonardo Boufler, said: "He went from farm to farm checking the animals. He checked them for TB, and injected those that were infected. He said he could carry out artificial insemination of cows and humans, which we thought impossible as in those days it was unheard of."

But the Nazi eugenicist did not concentrate on animals alone.

A former mayor and town doctor, Anencia Flores da Silva, set out to try to solve the town's mystery. He interviewed hundreds of people, and discovered one character who crept on cropping up: an itinerant medic calling himself Rudolph Weiss.

Dr da Silva said: "In the testimonies we collected we came across women who were treated by him, he appeared to be some sort of rural medic who went from house to house. He attended women who had varicose veins and gave them a potion which he carried in a bottle, or tablets which he brought with him. Sometimes he carried out dental work, and everyone remembers he used to take blood."

The people of Candido Godoi now largely accept that a Nazi war criminal was an inadvertent guest of theirs for several years in the early 1960s. The town's official crest shows two identical profiles and a road sign welcomes visitors to a "Farming Community and Land of the Twins". There is also a museum, the House of the Twins.

While the twins birthrate varies widely in different countries, it is typically about one in 80 pregnancies – a statistic that has left Mr Camarasa certain in his claim that Mengele was successfully pursuing his dreams of creating a master race, a real-life Boys from Brazil.

"Nobody knows for sure exactly what date Mengele arrived in Candido Godoi, but the first twins were born in 1963, the year in which we first hear reports of his presence," he said.
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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2010, 10:10:24 AM »

In an excerpt from her new book, One and the Same, Abigail Pogrebin talks to twin sisters who survived the Nazi doctor's monstrous experiments at Auschwitz.

"If not for her, I wouldn't be here."

Helen Rapaport declares this in a heavy Yiddish accent, looking over at her identical twin sister, Pearl Pufeles. The two eighty-six-year-olds are sitting side by side in a Chicago hospital lounge on a patterned sofa. Helen is wearing a green floor-length hospital gown and medical bracelet—unexpectedly, she was kept overnight for some cardiac tests, so our interview has to take place here. She is frustrated that we're not meeting in her home in Buffalo Grove, as planned. “I cooked all day yesterday,” she says ruefully.

“She made kugel,” offers Pearl, who is dressed in a purple ensemble—purple polyester pants, purple top with flower appliqué on the left shoulder—and cream-colored orthopedic sneakers.

Abigail Pogrebin on what she learned about herself—and her twin—writing her new book on the same subject, One and the Same.

Both twins fold their hands in front of them when they talk. They don't look nearly as identical now as they do in the black-and-white pictures from their youth; in those, they are indistinguishable, wearing identical outfits well into their twenties. What remains similar about them today is their thinning hair, their drooping eyelids—which give their faces a soft kindness that reminds me of my late grandma Esther—and the blue numbers tattooed on their arms: Helen is 5080; Pearl is 5079.

I thought I'd have to ease gingerly into their memories of Dr. Josef Mengele—the monstrous Nazi doctor who experimented on twins in Auschwitz. But they start talking about him right away.

 One and the Same: My Life as an Identical Twin and What I've Learned About Everyone's Struggle to be Singular. By Abigail Pogrebin. 288 pages. Doubleday. $26.95.
“You've heard about him,” Pearl says. “He was the one who called out when we got off of the train.” She refers to the cattle car that transported prisoners to the camps. “He called out, 'Zwillinge austreten,' which means 'Twins, step out.' And we were pushed aside. I don't know, there were about seventy sets of twins.”

“More,” Helen corrects her. “More.”

In his 1986 book, The Nazi Doctors, Robert Jay Lifton describes how Mengele, who had a Ph.D. in genetics, “embodied the selections process” for many survivors, who remember him always at “the ramp” when the transports arrived. “...He frequently went to the ramp when not selecting in order to see that twins were being collected and saved for him,” Lifton writes. “Mengele could exploit the unique opportunity Auschwitz provided for quick and absolute availability of large numbers of these precious research subjects.”

“They took the twins to a different barracks,” Pearl continues. “And we didn't know what was waiting for us.”

“We didn't know first if we should tell him we were twins,” Helen recalls.

“We didn't know what they were going to do with us,” Pearl repeats.

“But we were so identical, they would have known anyway,” Helen explains. “So Pearl said, 'Let's just step out. Whatever will be with one will be with the other.' So that's how we wound up in the barracks with other twins.”

They had been herded, at the age of twenty-three, from their home in Czechoslovakia, along with their father, Isaac Herskovic—“a top tailor,” Pearl says—and a brother, Morris, an older sister, Miriam, and Miriam's husband and three children. (Their mother, Hannah, had died years earlier of a stroke, and their four other siblings were already in other parts of the world by the time the war began.)

The train journey was gruesome. “Terrible.” Helen shakes her head. “They piled us up; I don't know how many. There was no air, no water.”

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2010, 11:27:16 AM »

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2010, 12:10:13 PM »
Here's an interesting connection.

Jay Weidner, the fellow who wrote the article this thread is based on, is a big believer in 2012. 

The Shinining Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdKc06av1g

2012 Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A


Did anyone see Knowing with Nic Cage?  It's basically a retelling of Arthur C Clarke's Childhood's End.  The children have evolved and the parents are left to die.  You can see this theme in Kubrick's Shining, too.  Jack Torrence doesn't understand his son.  He tries to kill him.  In Childhood's End, aliens arrive to protect the evolving children from their un-evolved parents.  The aliens, who look like Lucifer  ::) , actually take the children away from their parents.  The final stage of evolution destroys the Earth and all of the humans that didn't evolve...90% of the population.  I believe in his book Clarke mentions the number of children as 250 million, but a BBC Radio broadcast says, "500 million of them moving as one"...500 million is the number on the Georgia Guidestones.

I can't decide if Jay Weidner is in on it or if he is someone's useful idiot.  I suspect the latter. 

Want to see Jay telling a baldfaced lie?

Go to 7:10 of this video...

The Plan: Kabbalah, Theosophy and 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuM8FFk2geA

Weidner is big on something called the Cross of Hendaye...yes the "End Days Cross"  ::)  Anyway, on one side of this thing is a scary face inside a circle.  Sound familiar?  Should if you have ever seen the Mayan Long Count Calendar.  Personally I find it reminiscent of a familiar depiction of Shiva inside a ring dancing.



In the story Shiva dances until his braids break free and chaos ensues.  Afterward the world is reborn.  Little known fact...Shiva is dancing atop a small figure.  This figure represents ignorance...it's name is Maya.

Because today we live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups...So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes, universes of the mind. I ought to know.
I do the same thing.

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I'm just saying...don't assume you understand the real scam being played.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2010, 01:07:05 PM »
Was Halloran in the original book?

drop the H

A11 o ran

Apollo 11 did not run

that is my contribution anyway.



Nice  :P

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2010, 02:31:54 PM »
Origins of RAND - Radar development at Tuxedo Park - Alfred Lee Loomis - multimillionare and the ultimate insider - after the war and retiring he never gave an interview (the unknown Howard Hughes)
http://www.rand.org/about/history/
In May 1946, the first RAND report appeared, Preliminary Design of an Experimental World-Circling Spaceship
http://www.rand.org/pubs/special_memoranda/SM11827/


More than eleven years before the orbiting of Sputnik, history’s first artificial space satellite, Project RAND — then active within Douglas Aircraft Company’s Engineering Division — released its first report: Preliminary Design of an Experimental World-Circling Spaceship (SM-11827), May 2, 1946. Interest in the feasibility of space satellites had surfaced somewhat earlier in a Navy proposal for an interservice space program (March 1946). Major General Curtis E. LeMay, then Deputy Chief of the Air Staff for Research and Development, considered space operations to be an extension of air operations...
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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2010, 04:18:30 PM »
bump. Incredible stuff in this thread. Thanks for the information.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2010, 08:55:48 PM »
Perhaps they went - but don't want to show *real* photos, eh?
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2010, 09:25:20 PM »
*Throws the disc in the ol' blu-ray machine*

My only worry is that i'm gonna be too damn terrified to even think about the symbology
while watching this.
Not to mention it's past midnight over here, and i'm on my own...

Terror level set to max in 5...4...3...

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2010, 09:34:23 PM »
*Throws the disc in the ol' blu-ray machine*

My only worry is that i'm gonna be too damn terrified to even think about the symbology
while watching this.
Not to mention it's past midnight over here, and i'm on my own...

Terror level set to max in 5...4...3...

Oh Flynn.........you are SUCH the drama queen!!  LOL   :D
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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2010, 09:48:39 PM »
I'm on the fence weather the moon landings were faked, but with all the errors and inconsistencies with the moon landing footage and stills, i'm pretty sure it WASNT Kubrick's work knowing how meticulous he was.

Maybe he intended the footage to be riddled with errors and inconsistencies, so that when the technology caught up we would work that it was fraudulent.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2010, 12:05:33 AM »


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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2010, 01:38:12 AM »

In choosing this particular work i believe Kubrick was able to give us an insight into the very nature of the NWO. Sure the Apollo project put him into the bowels of the beast but like the flick tells us, he had been always within the confines of their game and maybe only fully realised it upon entering into the Apollo program.

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2010, 12:02:03 PM »

The nature of the beast

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #72 on: January 26, 2010, 02:40:31 PM »
Very intriguing. I'm going to have to watch that Eyes Wide Shut movie to see the symbolism for myself. But thanks for the good read.

I'll have to look at that Apollo 11 stuff as well.
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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #73 on: January 26, 2010, 03:51:18 PM »
Here in the UK there as a programme on channel 5 about five years ago where they talked about people in the UK who developed the technology to send satellites up into orbit in the 1920s.
They did their best themselves with their own money but obviously didnt have enough to fund a proper programme. So they offered it to the UK government repeatedly in the 20s or 30s. The government kept turing them down.
Seems plausible to me that space technology is more advanced than is publicly known

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #74 on: January 26, 2010, 03:54:51 PM »

The nature of the beast

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2010, 04:01:00 PM »
..Seems plausible to me that space technology is more advanced than is publicly known

No doubt, hell i wouldn't be surprised if they could travel to Mars an' back all within in the same day
and faster, but as for the Apollo 11 program, i go with it being a Kubrick program.
It's truly a masterpiece, though little Tommy's voice is freaky as hell, "RedRUM RedRUm RedRUM",
get me the fuck outta' here!

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2010, 04:05:05 PM »
The Age of Aquarius...The New Age requires sacrifice.

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« Reply #77 on: January 26, 2010, 04:08:06 PM »
"Whatever it is, I am against it."  -Groucho Marx

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Re: Stunning Secrets Of Kubrick's 'The Shining'
« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2010, 04:52:22 PM »
according to wiki

The average centre-to-centre distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,403 kilometres (238,857 mi)

239=237 (?)

+ the actual apollo journey from surface to surface would be less that that

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« Reply #79 on: January 26, 2010, 05:31:49 PM »
according to wiki

The average centre-to-centre distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,403 kilometres (238,857 mi)

239=237 (?)

+ the actual apollo journey from surface to surface would be less that that

In the book the room no. is 217, Stan didn't have to change the room no. but he did, so we must ask why?
Also 237 is close enough, the exact difference may have been too obvious, and remember this,
concerning the Apollo 11 program, we can only look at the parts of the movie Stan changed, though his choice of material he chose to expose this fact was obviously to communicate the actual nature of the beast he found himself working for.