Oh god... David Icke again?

[thatgrownman]

Counter-Intelligence by Alan Watt:

"You take the intelligence that has been gathered by a small group of people and you put out superstars to push out that intelligence. They are pushed to the very top. They become the leaders. And then they spin it off into outer-space. They diffuse it. They Negate it. They render it harmless. Thats what counterintelligence does. How did we get to a stage where adults, in all walks of life and professions, are so confused that their chasing Annunaki and Reptillian people? How did this happen? How long did it take to prepare the people's minds to bring them to this stage?"

[catdog]

There used to be such thing as respectful disagreement. Now it's all "he's a disinfo counterintel agent"

[Dok]

There used to be such thing as respectful disagreement. Now it's all "he's a disinfo counterintel agent"

only Sorcha Fall and Sitchin. 

[thatgrownman]

"I can't tell you too much actually about this, but I've had offers to go along with certain things. I'd be heavily financed and guarenteed best-selling books if I would just go along with the usual conspiracy stuff and then bring in the Alien Agenda at the end and I've refused it."- Alan Watt

[carlee]

Nikola Tesla said,

"EVERYTHING in the universe RESONATES at it’s own frequency, yet they all relate on a harmonic scale to each other... Understanding my work means understanding the key to the universe, RESONANCE." (Paraphrase)

Universal existence is like a song, with rhythm and harmonics - and it’s going UPWARDS one octave right now.

The darkest aspect of the Universe (aka: Satanic influence) has entered our reality here on Earth and has been "running the show" for some time now (since the last precession cycle?) from WITHIN each end every individual who finds themselves focusing on CHAOTIC CONTROL and destruction of others through fear. "Ordo Ab Chaos". (Illuminati/Masonic phrase)

 

Whether it be for the death of free will or the death of the body, this dark THOUGHT-FORM comes from the same inner place called "fear". It has infested every aspect of our way of life - AND the life of OTHER-WORLDLY beings as well. It is a virus in the ’program’, a ’Cancer’ if you will and DOES NOT represent the RACE, CULTURE or PHYSICAL BODIES of those who have become infected! Humanity is a hybrid ET race - compare their natural behaviors with that of natural animals of Earth.

 

Who’s behaving more like a CANCER? The animals? Or the Humans who live in FEAR killing their own kind needlessly? The "NWO" is very real and has dark, sinister plots which go back as far as the ancient world and BEYOND to the stars and other dimensions where it began. It’s key power is fear, sadly... How can this be so?

 

[PTTurboe]

LOL!

Icke is the only one that has all the pieces.

Why does EVERY major religion, past and present, have reptiles in them?

China, Japan, India, Maya, Inca, Christan, Jewish, etc.

Naw, just another coincidence.....

[N.E.P.]

I like Icke. I get a good vibe from him. I wouldn't suggest his material for NWO beginners because they would think I'm bat shit crazy. Even if I don't believe in everything he says I still like listening to his lizard stories. He is a deep thinker.

[SpeakUpFightBack]

I disagree.

David Icke is great at opening minds.

Agree!

Stop in-fighting so we can Stop Count Porkulus...


http://tinypic.com/r/3535d9y/4

[Outer Haven]

I like Icke. I get a good vibe from him. I wouldn't suggest his material for NWO beginners because they would think I'm bat shit crazy. Even if I don't believe in everything he says I still like listening to his lizard stories. He is a deep thinker.

This is precisely the way I feel about him. I don't necessarily believe in some of his stuff, like Reptilians or talking to plants, but I still enjoy reading or listening to him talk about it.

[unbound]

This is precisely the way I feel about him. I don't necessarily believe in some of his stuff, like Reptilians or talking to plants, but I still enjoy reading or listening to him talk about it.

You don't believe in talking to plants? If you read the Ptech stuff and heard the Michael Riconsciuto name mentioned, you might be interested to learn that as a child he proved that plants can feel things. He hooked a tomato up to some sensors and squeezed the leaf and the sine waves changed. In other experiments done by others, they hooked a plant up to a lie detector machine and also noticed changes when certain stimuli were applied to it. When testing for psychokinetic abilities, when a person merely thought about damaging the plant, it became distressed and was recorded on the tests. These were experiments done while researching something called Remote Viewing. If remote viewing is fake, I wonder why I can find army manuals about it on google. There are a lot of things in life that are not being taught and are purposefully being suppressed.

[matrixcutter]

LOL!

Icke is the only one that has all the pieces.

Why does EVERY major religion, past and present, have reptiles in them?

China, Japan, India, Maya, Inca, Christan, Jewish, etc.

Naw, just another coincidence.....

Because it's an ancient symbol representing knowledge, and evil, not because alien lizard people mated with humans and/or monkeys and produced a hybrid group of shapeshifting crocodile-men.

It is amazing when people point to these ancient symbols as proof of Icke's counter-intelligence operation.  Often the same Icke followers will point and laugh at Christians who believe in literal interpretations of the Bible e.g. Adam and Eve, who coincidentally enough, had an encounter with a talking snake.

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Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 1 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5fylQIb1wg

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 2 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X90NOjogv3Y

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 3 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpRZW5WiMd0


Taken from the following mp3:

April 16, 2006
Special Presentation - Tales From the Croc-Pot - mp3 - transcript

[Outer Haven]

You don't believe in talking to plants? If you read the Ptech stuff and heard the Michael Riconsciuto name mentioned, you might be interested to learn that as a child he proved that plants can feel things. He hooked a tomato up to some sensors and squeezed the leaf and the sine waves changed. In other experiments done by others, they hooked a plant up to a lie detector machine and also noticed changes when certain stimuli were applied to it. When testing for psychokinetic abilities, when a person merely thought about damaging the plant, it became distressed and was recorded on the tests. These were experiments done while researching something called Remote Viewing. If remote viewing is fake, I wonder why I can find army manuals about it on google. There are a lot of things in life that are not being taught and are purposefully being suppressed.

Well, there definitely is something to some (if not most) of this stuff; what I meant was that I don't just believe everything he says, because I haven't been convinced, really. Like Reptilians: sometimes, I have a feeling they are real, and I've seen some supposed evidence of their presence, but I really don't know, and I understand how talking about that kind of stuff can put people off.

[catdog]

Because it's an ancient symbol representing knowledge, and evil, not because alien lizard people mated with humans and/or monkeys and produced a hybrid group of shapeshifting crocodile-men.

It is amazing when people point to these ancient symbols as proof of Icke's counter-intelligence operation.  Often the same Icke followers will point and laugh at Christians who believe in literal interpretations of the Bible e.g. Adam and Eve, who coincidentally enough, had an encounter with a talking snake.

Why can't Alex have both Alan Watt and David Icke on the show and let the listeners decide what they want to believe?

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

I like IKE......




yeah is is kinda out there but I like that sometimes.  If we lose our imagination we will just spin our tires as a species.  Also, I agree Ike is not for beginners.   



and...  WE NEED TO UNITE NOT START A WITCH HUNT!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rZfC67Jc8

[Outer Haven]

Why can't Alex have both Alan Watt and David Icke on the show and let the listeners decide what they want to believe?

Yeah, that would be awesome!! TWO LGENDARY BRITISH NWO RESEARCHERS DUKING IT OUT!!They were both on the show on Wednesday, though not simultaneously.

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

Yeah, that would be awesome!! TWO LGENDARY BRITISH NWO RESEARCHERS DUKING IT OUT!!They were both on the show on Wednesday, though not simultaneously.

I think Watt is from Scotland.

[catdog]

Yeah, that would be awesome!! TWO LGENDARY BRITISH NWO RESEARCHERS DUKING IT OUT!!They were both on the show on Wednesday, though not simultaneously.

I don't mean simultaneous, I mean I like hearing both opinions.

[deconstructmyhouse]

That was a nice pointless reply there OG.. keep the useless flames to yourself please...  

not a pointless reply at all. You obviously haven't done your research on Icke.
A very to the point reply.
RE JC:  check out Icke's on air statement about Jesus Christ many years ago, (you do the work) which plunged him into infamy and in the long run, helped him get over the burden of giving a f**k about what the public says.  that catapulted him into a fearless, outspoken relevancy that turned him into the full on warrior that he is today.  And
RE: the lizards: are you AWARE that we all have a lizard brain stem?  The oldest, smallest region. It evolved hundreds of millions of years ago and is more like the entire brain of present-day reptiles. For this reason, it is often called the 'reptilian brain'. This part of our brain stem regulate the general level of alertness and the auto processes of the body such as breathing and heartbeat.

SO OMNI
please don't be callin OG a senseless flamer. His reply was the spot on reply of someone who knows the history, implications and intricacies of Icke's work.

[Spark of Truth Inc.]

David is inspirational. In my humble opinion, he's also a truth-seeker in the sense, that he's open for a wide spectrum of analysis and evolves with the status of his research, which in itself is a good sign in my books.

Some of his research reminds me of this classic scene by director Peter Jackson (Bad Taste, ... , Lord of the Ring, District 9):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkX3pD8xL8Y

-meeh  

[matrixcutter]

Why can't Alex have both Alan Watt and David Icke on the show and let the listeners decide what they want to believe?

I doubt either of them would agree to that.
Icke would probably refuse because he knows full well that Watt would be able to prove that Icke has deliberately caused confusion and spread disinformation, whereas Watt would probably refuse because he actually has some integrity.

What already happens is that Jones allows the listeners to decide what they want to believe, and ultimately, that's all you can ask.  But that shouldn't be used as a justification to allow any old BS on air.

Icke often says it's fine to reject the more ridiculous parts of his back-catalogue, but he never talks about how they have discredited the facts that he (and many others) talk about.  And other BS-peddlers (e.g. Red Ice Creations) often tell people that they are willing to go anywhere and talk about anything, and it is up to you to take it or leave it.  That line can be used to justify discussion of anything at all.

Disinformation does have an effect.  It plants seeds.  Icke even talks about planting seeds to wake people up, so it's not as if he doesn't understand the concept.  When you spread disinformation, you can damage the waking-up process of the listeners, whether you intend to or not.  And it is very obvious that some people do intend to, and Icke is probably one of them.

[catdog]

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 1 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5fylQIb1wg

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 2 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X90NOjogv3Y

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 3 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpRZW5WiMd0

I don't get it. I've listened to this and it's easier for me to believe in reptilians than Arthur C Clarke masterminding that thought in my head. It's a strange world.

[deconstructmyhouse]

I like Icke. I get a good vibe from him. I wouldn't suggest his material for NWO beginners because they would think I'm bat shit crazy. Even if I don't believe in everything he says I still like listening to his lizard stories. He is a deep thinker.

agree!
he actually has all the attributes of a man on his way to enlightenment.  By that i mean he has experienced, not just read about, the unity of all, the illusion that is reality and the certainty of being an infinite being (having an experience of being David Icke.)  This is the same knowledge the ancient, enlightened beings attained through specific epiphany and direct experience.

[unbound]

Well, there definitely is something to some (if not most) of this stuff; what I meant was that I don't just believe everything he says, because I haven't been convinced, really. Like Reptilians: sometimes, I have a feeling they are real, and I've seen some supposed evidence of their presence, but I really don't know, and I understand how talking about that kind of stuff can put people off.

Yeah I hear you on that. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or anything, just wanted to see if you were aware of that stuff. Me personally, I don't necessarily believe the reptilian part much like yourself, but I also don't think it's an impossibility. This isn't directed at you, but the others saying Icke is wrong - To say that there is 100% absolutely no chance that it's possible is both arrogant and egotistical. The only thing we as humans can perceive are the things which our 5 senses can detect. To assume that we are able to sense everything in existence is hogwash, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. If it exists, but we can't sense it, does it exist? Kind of like the 'if a tree falls in the woods' idea. In the case of the tree, yes it does make a sound. Sound is just vibration. Just because a human didn't hear it doesn't mean that the surrounding objects (earth, rock, etc) weren't subject to that vibration. In the case of something we cannot detect through our senses, does it exist because we can't sense it? Our reality might suggest that it doesn't exist, but that's just our reality. That doesn't mean our reality is the only reality. We can only go by what we can perceive. Does that make it right or wrong? No. It just is what it is.

[Unintelligable Name]

His optimism is appreciated, I skipped through the parts where he was comparing reality to technology however. He's a good guest so long as he sticks to the New World Order and not his vibrational consciousness shift babbling. And of course reptoids, but never heard him mention that on Alex's show, presumably because Alex says "Don't talk about reptoids please."

[deconstructmyhouse]

I doubt either of them would agree to that.
Icke would probably refuse because he knows full well that Watt would be able to prove that Icke has deliberately caused confusion and spread disinformation, whereas Watt would probably refuse because he actually has some integrity.

What already happens is that Jones allows the listeners to decide what they want to believe, and ultimately, that's all you can ask.  But that shouldn't be used as a justification to allow any old BS on air.

Icke often says it's fine to reject the more ridiculous parts of his back-catalogue, but he never talks about how they have discredited the facts that he (and many others) talk about.  And other BS-peddlers (e.g. Red Ice Creations) often tell people that they are willing to go anywhere and talk about anything, and it is up to you to take it or leave it.  That line can be used to justify discussion of anything at all.

Disinformation does have an effect.  It plants seeds.  Icke even talks about planting seeds to wake people up, so it's not as if he doesn't understand the concept.  When you spread disinformation, you can damage the waking-up process of the listeners, whether you intend to or not.  And it is very obvious that some people do intend to, and Icke is probably one of them.

um question, and please answer simply, if possible.
How can Icke be a disinfo agent when his main message is empowerment of people like you and individual reclamation of our incredible strengths and of our spiritual center?

[matrixcutter]

To say that there is 100% absolutely no chance that it's possible is both arrogant and egotistical.

No, it's rational.

Icke often uses the same argument.  If I were to come up with a ridiculous theory about anything at all, and you used your common sense to reject it, I could use the same soundbite on you too.  But you wouldn't be being arrogant or egotistical.

[Outer Haven]

um question, and please answer simply, if possible.
How can Icke be a disinfo agent when his main message is empowerment of people like you and individual reclamation of our incredible strengths and of our spiritual center?

Answer: he can't.

[deconstructmyhouse]

We can only go by what we can perceive.

Exactly
Icke is going on these tours precisely to promote widening our field of perceptions.  How is that disinfo?
We're going to need to take these concrete steps of widening our perception skills to reclaim our strength as a human race in order to defeat the coming global tyranny.  
Sometimes I think that's what this conflict is all about: a sort of forced graduation.  We're a little too complacent and we need a good push to get us movin up the evolutionary being scale.

[KimMPossible]

We're a little too complacent and we need a good push to get us movin up the evolutionary being scale.

Well, that explains everything. Your belief in evolution shows how easily deceived you are. Bring on the disinfo, baby. We've got a sucker -- I mean, a buyer -- over here!

[matrixcutter]

um question, and please answer simply, if possible.
How can Icke be a disinfo agent when his main message is empowerment of people like you and individual reclamation of our incredible strengths and of our spiritual center?

Because he mixes the truth with lies and ridiculous nonsense, thus discrediting the truth.  For some reason, there is a lot of resistance to this particular truth, but it is the truth.

The powers that be knew that there would be a period of waking up, and not because of any sort of planetary allignment, and they have set up their pied pipers for this very period of time.  So now millions of people will wake up, and be taken off the path of truth by BS about walking lizard people.

[unbound]

No, it's rational.

Icke often uses the same argument.  If I were to come up with a ridiculous theory about anything at all, and you used your common sense to reject it, I could use the same soundbite on you too.  But you wouldn't be being arrogant or egotistical.

"No it's rational" - Yeah, rational to you. You've missed the point entirely. To assume your rationality is the be all end all of the cosmos is silly. You can only go by what you believe to be correct. In doing so, you are neither right or wrong, you are only going by what you believe. That's all we as humans can do. To believe that there isn't something beyond the scope of humanity which can perceive things humans can't is an incorrect assumption... Like I said, egotistical and arrogant.

[matrixcutter]

I don't get it. I've listened to this and it's easier for me to believe in reptilians than Arthur C Clarke masterminding that thought in my head. It's a strange world.

You listened to all that, and you only heard Arthur C Clarke, as if he was the only person in history to have planted these seeds?

You can't have listened very well.

[deconstructmyhouse]

Well, that explains everything. Your belief in evolution shows how easily deceived you are. Bring on the disinfo, baby. We've got a sucker -- I mean, a buyer -- over here!

hmmmmm.
everything evolves, dude.  Even your toaster.  Put it outside for the winter and watch it evolve.
Evolution means change, bottom line. 
So, you think we aren't changing?
everything's changing.

[matrixcutter]

Answer: he can't.

Actually I did, and I did in the other thread the other day too, which you saw.

If you want to put your hands over your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and pretend that theories about the leaders of this world being shape-shifting lizard men from the planet Zod is not ridiculous, that's your business.  But don't pretend that I can't say what I've already said.

[matrixcutter]

"No it's rational" - Yeah, rational to you.

No, just rational.

You've missed the point entirely. To assume your rationality is the be all end all of the cosmos is silly. You can only go by what you believe to be correct.

No, I can go by facts.  And so can you, if you want.

To believe that there isn't something beyond the scope of humanity which can perceive things humans can't is an incorrect assumption... Like I said, egotistical and arrogant.

If I had said that, then yes, that would have been arrogant and egotistical.
I didn't, but at this point it's obvious that such specificities are completely irrelevant to a lot of Icke's followers.

[deconstructmyhouse]

Because he mixes the truth with lies and ridiculous nonsense, thus discrediting the truth.  For some reason, there is a lot of resistance to this particular truth, but it is the truth.

The powers that be knew that there would be a period of waking up, and not because of any sort of planetary allignment, and they have set up their pied pipers for this very period of time.  So now millions of people will wake up, and be taken off the path of truth by BS about walking lizard people.

ever hear of discernment?
that means, essentially, thinking for yourself.  Don't let ANYBODY,not even Icke or AJ, spoon feed your passive mind.  If you don't like something he says, use your discernment and synthesize what is valuable for you.  don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I woke up via Icke, way before AJ, and was fascinated, horrified, repulsed and confused about the reptiles.  But the other stuff that was real and verifiable was what kept me interested.  I still don't know about the lizards, and really, I don't care.  What difference does it make if there are lizards or not?  Unless they pull me over at a checkpoint and haul me out of my car, I could give a f**k.  They aren't verifiable to me at this point.  They are to Icke.  I'm from the Show me state (missouri), so you need to show me the lizards, but that doesn't mean I think icke's disinfo.  It just means I took what i wanted out of his amazing and enormous body of work.

[KimMPossible]

everything evolves, dude.  Even your toaster.  Put it outside for the winter and watch it evolve.

What you are describing is entropy, not evolution. 2nd law of thermodynamics.

[Outer Haven]

Is Michael Chertoff a Reptilian? You decide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHk7mv-71M

[KimMPossible]

They aren't verifiable to me at this point. They are to Icke.

They aren't "verifiable" to Icke, either. He's never seen them. He's just passing along rumors he's heard from weirdos who come up to him after his show. This is not verification, it's: GOSSIP.

[Scootle]

There are many things about this world that havent been explained... the pyramids, ancient structures that we would struggle to build now let alone thousands of years ago, geometrically complex crop circles that just crop up overnight etc ... I'm not really religious but I do think there is higher power at work here... whether its aliens or demons or reptiles from another dimension I'm not gonna speculate but there's definately something... We all need to be open to the possibility that this stuff may be true... otherwise we''re not really awake are we?