Homosexuality: Unnatural?

[Harconen]

It's OK to Say, "That's So Gay"

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=137115.msg825125#msg825125


"We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)


by Henry Makow Ph.D.


Millions of young people say, "That's so gay" to denote alien, different or unhealthy.

To me, this is a hopeful sign that civilization may yet survive.

For Rockefeller-Rothschild social engineers, however, it's a nightmare.

These youths did not imbibe the propaganda that gay and straight are the same, i.e. "lifestyle preferences" like cable or satellite.

So these Cabalist bankers have launched an expensive "public service" TV  campaign to teach kids that obeying their healthy instincts is "homophobic."

They've got celebrities like lesbian comedian Wanda Sykes and Hillary Duff (That's So Gay - Wanda Sykes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0 ) overhearing teenagers, interrupting and chewing them out. "How would you like it if your identity was used to mean dumb or stupid?"


ANTHROPOLOGY


Every first-year anthropology student learns that group cohesion is maintained by defining in-group and out-group behavior. If a group cannot define itself in these terms, it disappears. (For example, homosexuals use the derogatory term "breeders" to refer to us.)

You're not homophobic. This campaign is a rearguard action in a war on your sexual identity. Gay Pride apparently is OK but heterosexuals cannot uphold their identity. I'm here to tell you, "Bend over no more."

Until 1975, homosexuality was considered a developmental disorder. Therapists thought it a major neurosis, a sexual perversion and even a physical illness. Then the Rockefellers yanked the American Psychological Association's chain and magically, overnight, what for centuries had been abnormal, suddenly was normal.

This is part of a larger attack on gender and marriage designed to decrease population and undermine the family. In the bankers' New World Order, children are born to single mothers or in laboratories and raised by the state to serve the bankers.

Do you really think the Rockefellers, who financed Eugenics for a century, including Mengele's heinous experiments in Auschwitz, care about homosexuals' feelings? No, they are trying to turn you into homosexuals. They want you to suffer from this disorder. That's why you are learning in school that homosexuality is normal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173919/Lessons-gays-compulsory-age-11.html That's why they use psychological war (guilt) to level your heterosexual defenses.

This isn't about equality and human rights. It's about social engineering and mind control. It's about depopulation and dictatorship.


GAYS MORE EQUAL


In 2002, a Mormon girl was ribbed by her new classmates. "Do you have ten moms?" To which she replied, "That's so gay."

Those three words landed her in big trouble. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/165969/common_phrase_thats_so_gay_creates.html?cat=9 So how selective is this? A Christian's feelings can be hurt, but not a gay person's? Why is that?

They are not promoting tolerance. They are not promoting Christianity. They are promoting homosexuality.

The organization behind the ads, GLSEN the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, has 40 full-time employees! They sponsor pro- gay propaganda in thousands of schools under the pretense that gay youths are being persecuted. The Rockefeller Foundation is paying http://www.floridablade.com/2006/11-10/locallife/feature/feature.cfm They organize Communist-style propaganda events like the annual "Day of Silence" when their supporters protest the fact they are being silenced!!

Wake up heterosexuals! Wars of aggression always use a phony pretext of defending someone from attack.

In reality, heterosexuality is under attack. You are being persecuted. You are coerced to adopt unhealthy behavior which will prevent you from marrying and procreating.

For course, gay youths should be treated with kindness and consideration. It's not their fault they are gay. They're not aware of how homosexuality is being used. But let's draw a line. They're not the same as we are and we have a right to say so. We mate for life for the purpose of procreation.


A LITTLE BACKGROUND


Our society has been subverted by Cabalist bankers, including many homosexuals, who have stolen the government's credit card. Now they have to create a dictatorship to protect their prize.

They are behind all wars, depression, 9-11 and the credit crunch. These are ways to degrade and demoralize humanity so we will accept their tyranny.

Instead of thinking of homosexuality as same-sex attraction, think of it as gender role confusion resulting in "failure to permanently bond with (i.e. marry) a member of the opposite sex." This failure results in arrested development. Homosexuals generally compensate by having promiscuous sex.

Can you see how, in these terms, heterosexuals have become like homosexuals? Courtship is almost dead. http://www.savethemales.ca/001573.html Anonymous sex ("hooking up") is in. The marriage and birth rates http://www.chicagolandmarriage.org/marriage_statistics.htm are down 33% to 50% from 50 years ago. Forty per cent of children http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-21-births_x.htm are born out of wedlock.

Heterosexuality is not a "lifestyle preference." Heterosexuality is being part of the natural life cycle essential to personal development, happiness and the survival of the species. A country that cared about its survival would foster courtship, marriage and family. Children need the security, love and example of heterosexual parents in a strong marriage.

A country that has been subverted by an alien occult financial power perverts its young men and women. Our politicians, media and educators serve this alien financial power.

Here is what a nurse says about perversions and diseases linked to the "gay lifestyle." http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/medconsequences.html The bankers foster the illusion that gays are just like us, interested in marriage. They aren't. In Holland and Sweden http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 where gays are allowed to have civil unions, less than 3% do. The same is true of Canada. http://www.savethemales.ca/few_gays_opt_to_marry.html The bankers want you to behave like most gays. They want you to have sex but not marriage and family. They own the world and see you as cattle or "useless eaters."


CONCLUSION


So on Father's Day, let's celebrate heterosexuality. Let's celebrate marriage and children.
Let's celebrate men who support and lead their families, and women who sacrifice for husband and children.

As for the Rockefellers' commercials, let's say, "That's so gay!"

---
If you agree, forward to a teenager.

Related-- Judith Reisman,  'GLSEN and Hitler Youth' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=93528

Look at the Rockefeller Planned Parenthood website--promoting homosexuality http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

More on this subject in my book, "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order"

http://www.henrymakow.com/its_ok_to_say_thats_so_gay.html

[GhostofTsenzei]

Please, link scientific documentation showing that people haven't been recruited into becoming gay

Scientists study observable things.  Not things that don't happen.

[Chris2005]

IMO This topic is a time waster being used to cause division within the constitutional lovers ranks

What the real question is,would you defend each other from tyranny regardless of who they are!

are you your brothers keeper? would you die to save another? would you ignore a person bleeding on the street?

Jesus said he came so all could be saved, he didnt come to judge he came out of love.I think I'l leave the decision up to him on how others live their lives be it right or wrong.Who am i to judge what consenting adults do or dont do.

1) Would you defend each other from tyranny regardless of who they are?

Yes.

2) Are you your brothers keeper? Would you die to save another? Would you ignore a person bleeding on the street?

No, Yes, and No.

[Chris2005]

It's OK to Say, "That's So Gay"

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=137115.msg825125#msg825125


"We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)


by Henry Makow Ph.D.


Millions of young people say, "That's so gay" to denote alien, different or unhealthy.

To me, this is a hopeful sign that civilization may yet survive.

For Rockefeller-Rothschild social engineers, however, it's a nightmare.

These youths did not imbibe the propaganda that gay and straight are the same, i.e. "lifestyle preferences" like cable or satellite.

So these Cabalist bankers have launched an expensive "public service" TV  campaign to teach kids that obeying their healthy instincts is "homophobic."

They've got celebrities like lesbian comedian Wanda Sykes and Hillary Duff (That's So Gay - Wanda Sykes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0 ) overhearing teenagers, interrupting and chewing them out. "How would you like it if your identity was used to mean dumb or stupid?"


ANTHROPOLOGY


Every first-year anthropology student learns that group cohesion is maintained by defining in-group and out-group behavior. If a group cannot define itself in these terms, it disappears. (For example, homosexuals use the derogatory term "breeders" to refer to us.)

You're not homophobic. This campaign is a rearguard action in a war on your sexual identity. Gay Pride apparently is OK but heterosexuals cannot uphold their identity. I'm here to tell you, "Bend over no more."

Until 1975, homosexuality was considered a developmental disorder. Therapists thought it a major neurosis, a sexual perversion and even a physical illness. Then the Rockefellers yanked the American Psychological Association's chain and magically, overnight, what for centuries had been abnormal, suddenly was normal.

This is part of a larger attack on gender and marriage designed to decrease population and undermine the family. In the bankers' New World Order, children are born to single mothers or in laboratories and raised by the state to serve the bankers.

Do you really think the Rockefellers, who financed Eugenics for a century, including Mengele's heinous experiments in Auschwitz, care about homosexuals' feelings? No, they are trying to turn you into homosexuals. They want you to suffer from this disorder. That's why you are learning in school that homosexuality is normal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173919/Lessons-gays-compulsory-age-11.html That's why they use psychological war (guilt) to level your heterosexual defenses.

This isn't about equality and human rights. It's about social engineering and mind control. It's about depopulation and dictatorship.


GAYS MORE EQUAL


In 2002, a Mormon girl was ribbed by her new classmates. "Do you have ten moms?" To which she replied, "That's so gay."

Those three words landed her in big trouble. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/165969/common_phrase_thats_so_gay_creates.html?cat=9 So how selective is this? A Christian's feelings can be hurt, but not a gay person's? Why is that?

They are not promoting tolerance. They are not promoting Christianity. They are promoting homosexuality.

The organization behind the ads, GLSEN the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, has 40 full-time employees! They sponsor pro- gay propaganda in thousands of schools under the pretense that gay youths are being persecuted. The Rockefeller Foundation is paying http://www.floridablade.com/2006/11-10/locallife/feature/feature.cfm They organize Communist-style propaganda events like the annual "Day of Silence" when their supporters protest the fact they are being silenced!!

Wake up heterosexuals! Wars of aggression always use a phony pretext of defending someone from attack.

In reality, heterosexuality is under attack. You are being persecuted. You are coerced to adopt unhealthy behavior which will prevent you from marrying and procreating.

For course, gay youths should be treated with kindness and consideration. It's not their fault they are gay. They're not aware of how homosexuality is being used. But let's draw a line. They're not the same as we are and we have a right to say so. We mate for life for the purpose of procreation.


A LITTLE BACKGROUND


Our society has been subverted by Cabalist bankers, including many homosexuals, who have stolen the government's credit card. Now they have to create a dictatorship to protect their prize.

They are behind all wars, depression, 9-11 and the credit crunch. These are ways to degrade and demoralize humanity so we will accept their tyranny.

Instead of thinking of homosexuality as same-sex attraction, think of it as gender role confusion resulting in "failure to permanently bond with (i.e. marry) a member of the opposite sex." This failure results in arrested development. Homosexuals generally compensate by having promiscuous sex.

Can you see how, in these terms, heterosexuals have become like homosexuals? Courtship is almost dead. http://www.savethemales.ca/001573.html Anonymous sex ("hooking up") is in. The marriage and birth rates http://www.chicagolandmarriage.org/marriage_statistics.htm are down 33% to 50% from 50 years ago. Forty per cent of children http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-21-births_x.htm are born out of wedlock.

Heterosexuality is not a "lifestyle preference." Heterosexuality is being part of the natural life cycle essential to personal development, happiness and the survival of the species. A country that cared about its survival would foster courtship, marriage and family. Children need the security, love and example of heterosexual parents in a strong marriage.

A country that has been subverted by an alien occult financial power perverts its young men and women. Our politicians, media and educators serve this alien financial power.

Here is what a nurse says about perversions and diseases linked to the "gay lifestyle." http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/medconsequences.html The bankers foster the illusion that gays are just like us, interested in marriage. They aren't. In Holland and Sweden http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 where gays are allowed to have civil unions, less than 3% do. The same is true of Canada. http://www.savethemales.ca/few_gays_opt_to_marry.html The bankers want you to behave like most gays. They want you to have sex but not marriage and family. They own the world and see you as cattle or "useless eaters."


CONCLUSION


So on Father's Day, let's celebrate heterosexuality. Let's celebrate marriage and children.
Let's celebrate men who support and lead their families, and women who sacrifice for husband and children.

As for the Rockefellers' commercials, let's say, "That's so gay!"

---
If you agree, forward to a teenager.

Related-- Judith Reisman,  'GLSEN and Hitler Youth' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=93528

Look at the Rockefeller Planned Parenthood website--promoting homosexuality http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

More on this subject in my book, "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order"

http://www.henrymakow.com/its_ok_to_say_thats_so_gay.html

Yes, as gay means happy or joyful, so to say something is gay, I would hope it is, the point is that using gay, in replace of the world stupid, is the problem.

Also, you care to post a more condensed summarized version, rather than an essay sized post.

[nustada]

Actually you have an 80% chance of getting AIDs from a dirty needle, than you do homosexual activities, which occur in heterosexuals as well, as females give men oral sex, and men have anal sex with women, the only difference is that homosexuals will more likely wear a condom as a heterosexual couple wont'.

What doesn't African women have to do with homosexuality?

Yea "dirty" vaccine needles funded by the good folks at Microsoft, in which you promote.

The only real difference between gay and straight is the entire mental attitude. Openly gay die younger. Period. A healthy family has both masculine and feminine. Healthy males are masculine, healthy females are feminine. Start screwing with that, and you start screwing with kids, and society. Every culture has that openly excepted homosexual culture quickly demised.

[Harconen]

It's OK to Say, "That's So Gay"

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=137115.msg825125#msg825125


"We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)


by Henry Makow Ph.D.


Millions of young people say, "That's so gay" to denote alien, different or unhealthy.

To me, this is a hopeful sign that civilization may yet survive.

For Rockefeller-Rothschild social engineers, however, it's a nightmare.

These youths did not imbibe the propaganda that gay and straight are the same, i.e. "lifestyle preferences" like cable or satellite.

So these Cabalist bankers have launched an expensive "public service" TV  campaign to teach kids that obeying their healthy instincts is "homophobic."

They've got celebrities like lesbian comedian Wanda Sykes and Hillary Duff (That's So Gay - Wanda Sykes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0 ) overhearing teenagers, interrupting and chewing them out. "How would you like it if your identity was used to mean dumb or stupid?"


ANTHROPOLOGY


Every first-year anthropology student learns that group cohesion is maintained by defining in-group and out-group behavior. If a group cannot define itself in these terms, it disappears. (For example, homosexuals use the derogatory term "breeders" to refer to us.)

You're not homophobic. This campaign is a rearguard action in a war on your sexual identity. Gay Pride apparently is OK but heterosexuals cannot uphold their identity. I'm here to tell you, "Bend over no more."

Until 1975, homosexuality was considered a developmental disorder. Therapists thought it a major neurosis, a sexual perversion and even a physical illness. Then the Rockefellers yanked the American Psychological Association's chain and magically, overnight, what for centuries had been abnormal, suddenly was normal.

This is part of a larger attack on gender and marriage designed to decrease population and undermine the family. In the bankers' New World Order, children are born to single mothers or in laboratories and raised by the state to serve the bankers.

Do you really think the Rockefellers, who financed Eugenics for a century, including Mengele's heinous experiments in Auschwitz, care about homosexuals' feelings? No, they are trying to turn you into homosexuals. They want you to suffer from this disorder. That's why you are learning in school that homosexuality is normal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173919/Lessons-gays-compulsory-age-11.html That's why they use psychological war (guilt) to level your heterosexual defenses.

This isn't about equality and human rights. It's about social engineering and mind control. It's about depopulation and dictatorship.


GAYS MORE EQUAL


In 2002, a Mormon girl was ribbed by her new classmates. "Do you have ten moms?" To which she replied, "That's so gay."

Those three words landed her in big trouble. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/165969/common_phrase_thats_so_gay_creates.html?cat=9 So how selective is this? A Christian's feelings can be hurt, but not a gay person's? Why is that?

They are not promoting tolerance. They are not promoting Christianity. They are promoting homosexuality.

The organization behind the ads, GLSEN the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, has 40 full-time employees! They sponsor pro- gay propaganda in thousands of schools under the pretense that gay youths are being persecuted. The Rockefeller Foundation is paying http://www.floridablade.com/2006/11-10/locallife/feature/feature.cfm They organize Communist-style propaganda events like the annual "Day of Silence" when their supporters protest the fact they are being silenced!!

Wake up heterosexuals! Wars of aggression always use a phony pretext of defending someone from attack.

In reality, heterosexuality is under attack. You are being persecuted. You are coerced to adopt unhealthy behavior which will prevent you from marrying and procreating.

For course, gay youths should be treated with kindness and consideration. It's not their fault they are gay. They're not aware of how homosexuality is being used. But let's draw a line. They're not the same as we are and we have a right to say so. We mate for life for the purpose of procreation.


A LITTLE BACKGROUND


Our society has been subverted by Cabalist bankers, including many homosexuals, who have stolen the government's credit card. Now they have to create a dictatorship to protect their prize.

They are behind all wars, depression, 9-11 and the credit crunch. These are ways to degrade and demoralize humanity so we will accept their tyranny.

Instead of thinking of homosexuality as same-sex attraction, think of it as gender role confusion resulting in "failure to permanently bond with (i.e. marry) a member of the opposite sex." This failure results in arrested development. Homosexuals generally compensate by having promiscuous sex.

Can you see how, in these terms, heterosexuals have become like homosexuals? Courtship is almost dead. http://www.savethemales.ca/001573.html Anonymous sex ("hooking up") is in. The marriage and birth rates http://www.chicagolandmarriage.org/marriage_statistics.htm are down 33% to 50% from 50 years ago. Forty per cent of children http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-21-births_x.htm are born out of wedlock.

Heterosexuality is not a "lifestyle preference." Heterosexuality is being part of the natural life cycle essential to personal development, happiness and the survival of the species. A country that cared about its survival would foster courtship, marriage and family. Children need the security, love and example of heterosexual parents in a strong marriage.

A country that has been subverted by an alien occult financial power perverts its young men and women. Our politicians, media and educators serve this alien financial power.

Here is what a nurse says about perversions and diseases linked to the "gay lifestyle." http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/medconsequences.html The bankers foster the illusion that gays are just like us, interested in marriage. They aren't. In Holland and Sweden http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 where gays are allowed to have civil unions, less than 3% do. The same is true of Canada. http://www.savethemales.ca/few_gays_opt_to_marry.html The bankers want you to behave like most gays. They want you to have sex but not marriage and family. They own the world and see you as cattle or "useless eaters."


CONCLUSION


So on Father's Day, let's celebrate heterosexuality. Let's celebrate marriage and children.
Let's celebrate men who support and lead their families, and women who sacrifice for husband and children.

As for the Rockefellers' commercials, let's say, "That's so gay!"

---
If you agree, forward to a teenager.

Related-- Judith Reisman,  'GLSEN and Hitler Youth' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=93528

Look at the Rockefeller Planned Parenthood website--promoting homosexuality http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

More on this subject in my book, "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order"

http://www.henrymakow.com/its_ok_to_say_thats_so_gay.html

[Cryptvill]

Some of yall are really being whack to this Chris guy. Chris has shown respect with his comments and intelligence. To me whether hes gay or not or who's gay and who's not is irrelavant. We need to fight the Tyranny and be mindful of the NWO's population control techniques.

I personally dont feel the NWO is using 'gay' as a weapon to control the population, they dont need that, they got many other options on there hand...

Peace to you Chris

[Freeski]

Let's flip the situation, let's say homosexuality was the "natural" thing, and heterosexuality was the "unnatural" thing, and just because you liked the opposite sex, you were considered unnatural, would you force yourself to be "natural" or would you push to be recognized as you are like everyone else?

Wouldn't the species die off in your scenario, making this a bad example / moot point?

[Freeski]

Yes, but the comments made, towards homosexuality, and since I am homosexual, I do think I have the prerogative to comment in such a manner.

Well what's the point of this thread then?

[Chris2005]

Yea a "dirty" vaccine needles funded by the good folks at Microsoft, in which you promote.

The only real difference between gay and straight is the entire mental attitude. Openly gay die younger. Period. A healthy family has both masculine and feminine. Healthy males are masculine, healthy females are feminine. Start screwing with that, and you start screwing with kids, and society. Every culture that openly excepted homosexual cultur quickly demised.

lol.

So, even females that have a bit of tough side, and are prissy, aren't healthy? At least by your logic.

Or if males aren't completely manly, they are unhealthy?

Actually, I act more masculine than feminine, just because you are gay doesn't mean you act a certain way, most people are shocked when I say I am gay, as I don't act feminine.

Apparently not, Canada accepts it, and they seem to do better than we are, and it's not the homosexuals, it's those who bitch about it, that cause the fall of society.

[Chris2005]

Some of yall are really being whack to this Chris guy. Chris has shown respect with his comments and intelligence. To me whether hes gay or not or who's gay and who's not is irrelavant. We need to fight the Tyranny and be mindful of the NWO's population control techniques.

I personally dont feel the NWO is using 'gay' as a weapon to control the population, they dont need that, they got many other options on there hand...

Peace to you Chris

Thanks.

"Live Long and Prosper."

[GhostofTsenzei]

A different issue, if you feel it is, so be it. But in my oppinion this will effect the young, the youngsters begginging to feel their harmones screaming, those who have no courage to ask a girl for a date and find an easier route to fullfill their needs, those who unsure of themselves they can be swayed rather than do battle with natural effects of puberty..

To be honest, I'm one of those people that doesn't believe in homosexuality being determined on birth/conception/when-the-sou-enters-the-body.  However, I'm also still with Monkey on this one, in that you can't "recruit" people to being gay or lesbian or drag queens or whatever.  Whatever confusion they may or may not have, while it may damage them psychologically, won't change their ultimate sexual proclivities.

Besides, I'm vaguely certain that masturbation is the "easier route to fulfill their needs" and why are you promoting that they "do battle with natural effects of puberty"? I thought the idea was to embrace "natural" things?

But tell me why the sudden incline in promotion of this, in the news, in schools, on the telly. All I'm attemtping to bring in the open is the current fixation on this topic in general within this nation. Why is it being nurtured by most media. Why promote it, accept it exists, allways has and allways will. I do not like nor accept the fact that it is being pushed on the public, WHY, children are public also.

I don't watch TV much, and I haven't been in school in years.  However, even here in CA, I haven't seem anything PROMOTING homosexuality.  Saying it's natural, is fine.  It is.  There are gay people.  It happens.  Yet I don't see or hear anyone saying: "You should be gay" or "Gay people are cooler than straight people"  Unless it's some idiot trying for a pickup line or a joke, or talking about Queer Eye (and what children watch that show?).  Again, that's my experience.

[cold fusion]

kids you went to elementary school with that were obviously gay when when they were little kids. They are born that way

Not unless their hormones were messed-up in the womb, which is possible and even likely, depending on the mother's dietary habits and exposure to various plastics, petrochemicals and food additives. Soy is a huge factor in screwing up endocrine functions in both males and females. And then there's the brain-mangling via Hellywood and the music industry.

My apologies if these things have already been mentioned... I haven't read the whole thread.  

[Chris2005]

Wouldn't the species die off in your scenario, making this a bad example / moot point?

That wasn't the point, and not really, because those who are attracted to the opposite sex, would still be able to procreate, just as you do now.

[Freeski]

Ya, I see it as natural in most cases. Don't you remember kids you went to elementary school with that were obviously gay when when they were little kids. They are born that way. It shouldn't be promoted like it is with the Madonna/Britney Spears kiss but honestly who gives a flying f*ck. I honestly couldn't get the energy to get all outraged about two boys kissing each other. As long as they don't try kissing my son and they are not pedophiles then go freakin nuts. Homosexuality has been around forever. I see a distinction between those who are legitimately gay and those that are perverted and just want to have gay sex. I do have a problem with gay people that have a chip on their shoulder and seek to destroy the traditional family. Just be a good American and leave my family and belief system alone. If you respect my rights and beliefs I respect your rights and beliefs.

Intended or unintended?

[GhostofTsenzei]

I love the perverse logic people use to justify their actions!  "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" Needs to be revised to include "everything we do is NATURAL"!

A (huge) portion of the argument was that yes, everything is natural, but that even the argument of "natural" vs. "unnatural" was flawed, as neither aspect inherently means "good" or "evil."

Everything we do is natural, including what the NWO is doing.  That doesn't mean it's good, or that "do as thou wilt" was ever a good idea.

[Chris2005]

Well what's the point of this thread then?

Well, the point was to have people watch the video, and comment on it, but it always seems to turn into a debate like this, by people who are so eager to jump the gun.

[DaInfoMan]

Everything is natural, everything occurs naturally, the elements needed to make glass, or plastic, occur naturally, etc.

Air occurs naturally, rain occurs naturally, and more.

Like he said about God, if God is not of this world, he is not natural, therefor is evil, because we assume to think anything unnatural is not right or is wrong.

First of all, for all of you that believe everything is natural, you are in a sense making nature your "GOD"

Secondly, Christians believe that God created world, so with some simple thinking you should be able to understand that he transcends this world, is a pie Maker evil because he is not inside his own pie? How can u truly make that absurd statement?

[Chris2005]

First of all, for all of you that believe everything is natural, you are in a sense making nature your "GOD"

Secondly, Christians believe that God created world, so with some simple thinking you should be able to understand that he transcends this world, is a pie Maker evil because he is not inside his own pie? How can u truly make that absurd statement?

Isn't that why people call it "mother nature?"

Never heard them call it "Mother God."

Well, their is more to the universe than this world, and it's ironic that we are the only planet with humans, that we know of, why would God need to create all of the universe to just plop us on one planet?

[Outer Haven]

I believe this entire thread can be summed up thus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEkGAkQUcpg&feature=related

[GhostofTsenzei]

First of all, for all of you that believe everything is natural, you are in a sense making nature your "GOD"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Secondly, Christians believe that God created world, so with some simple thinking you should be able to understand that he transcends this world, is a pie Maker evil because he is not inside his own pie? How can u truly make that absurd statement?

Actually, the whole "omnipresent" thing means that God IS in all things.  So that argument is moot.

I believe this entire thread can be summed up thus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEkGAkQUcpg&feature=related

You say that Chris promotes the NWO agenda because he believes homosexuality is natural, and yet you promote bigotry.  Do you not see the hypocrisy?

[Chris2005]

I believe this entire thread can be summed up thus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEkGAkQUcpg&feature=related

Not really, as a faggot is a British meatball.

[life0repeats]

you got people arguing two different things it seems.  one is whether its natural.  the other is whether its a sin.

as for Sodom and  Gomarrah...i think its more against rape then homosexuality personally.  Rape against another man though has always been the biggest thing you can do to rob someone of their 'manhood'.  Worst act pretty much.

[GhostofTsenzei]

Not really, as a faggot is a British meatball.

Or a bundle of sticks.

[Chris2005]

you got people arguing two different things it seems.  one is whether its natural.  the other is whether its a sin.

as for Sodom and  Gomarrah...i think its more against rape then homosexuality personally.  Rape against another man though has always been the biggest thing you can do to rob someone of their 'manhood'.  Worst act pretty much.

Yea, this was more about it being natural, and not the religious aspects of it, but as always you got one person who turns it into that.

[Outer Haven]

Or a bundle of sticks.

I rest my case. 

[Chris2005]

Or a bundle of sticks.

Yea, the whole meaning of "faggot:"

fag⋅got2  [fag-uht]
–noun
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a male homosexual.
Origin:
1910–15, Americanism; cf. faggot a contemptuous term for a woman (from ca. 1590), perh. the same word as fagot

Related forms:
fag⋅got⋅y, fag⋅got⋅ty, adjective
fag⋅ot  [fag-uht]
–noun
1.   a bundle of sticks, twigs, or branches bound together and used as fuel, a fascine, a torch, etc.
2.   a bundle; bunch.
3.   a bundle of pieces of iron or steel to be welded, hammered, or rolled together at high temperature.
4.    bouquet garni.
–verb (used with object)
5.   to bind or make into a fagot.
6.   to ornament with fagoting.
Also, British, faggot.

Origin:
1250–1300; ME < AF, OF; of obscure orig.

Source:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faggot

Also, includes the British deal on some dictionary websites.

[GhostofTsenzei]

you got people arguing two different things it seems.  one is whether its natural.  the other is whether its a sin.

as for Sodom and  Gomarrah...i think its more against rape then homosexuality personally.  Rape against another man though has always been the biggest thing you can do to rob someone of their 'manhood'.  Worst act pretty much.

Which also goes to another distinction: Homosexual acts used as a form of dominance (More animals than penguins and zebras, people in prison, etc.) versus homosexuality as a state of being (attracted to others of the same gender).

[Chris2005]

I rest my case. 

You'd make a sad attorney, not one I would spend my money on, anyway.

[Harconen]

You'd make a sad attorney, not one I would spend my money on, anyway.

Why don't you spend your NWO earned money on doctor?

[Chris2005]

Why don't you spend your NWO earned money on doctor?

Actually, I make no money, I am 19 years old, and currently unemployed, a doctor for what? I have no illness, it would be a waste of a doctors visit.

[N.E.P.]

Intended or unintended?

oops. No pun intended 

[Chris2005]

Not related, but this is funny.

My YT friend Agnosticman77, who used to a evangelical Christian, and he discusses the "But that's the old testament" excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXUlao6Zv4c

[Freeski]

That wasn't the point, and not really, because those who are attracted to the opposite sex, would still be able to procreate, just as you do now.

So we'd flip it around and have 90% gay sex versus 10% man-woman sex (the complete opposite of what we have now), and what will population trends look like over the next 25 years? (Hey man, you brought up the scenario)

[Freeski]

Well, the point was to have people watch the video, and comment on it, but it always seems to turn into a debate like this, by people who are so eager to jump the gun.

Shit, sorry... I forgot to watch it! Back shortly, hopefully.

[Chris2005]

So we'd flip it around and have 90% gay sex versus 10% man-woman sex (the complete opposite of what we have now), and what will population trends look like over the next 25 years? (Hey man, you brought up the scenario)

Hey, if it was what God wanted, life or God would find a way.

[Chris2005]

Shit, sorry... I forgot to watch it! Back shortly, hopefully.

ah, interesting, forgot to watch the video, the first post, and the beginning of this whole topic, I didn't post the video just to put it there, lol.

[Harconen]

A lot of people in our society are trying to convince us how "normal" is to be homosexual and how normal this kind of people are. Setting aside my religious beliefs (here homosexuality is a ticket to Hell, but most of the homosexual people or their supporters whom I've shown verses from the Bible or Quran said either that these are not the word of God or that they don't believe in a God, so there's no point to use religion to prove something to someone who does not believe in it or take from it only what he likes), I'd only go on the scientific/logical evidence.
First of all, the word "normal" is derived from "norm", i.e. something typical, standardized. So, by this deffinition, homosexuals are not normal. But neither am I normal as a person who speaks several foreign languages or writes poetry.
So, to get deeper in the problem, let's start with the key point that makes homosexuals different: the sex orientation.
So, what is sex? Sex is a way designed by God (or Nature, for non believeres) to increase the adaptability and variery of a species to its environement. By using genes from two individuals to create a third one, there's a much better chance that the new individual will adapt well to the environement. As the organisms evolved, sex also evolved. From the simple chemical act between two individuals, it became a more complex activity. Besides the gene transmission, sex started to regulate the hormonal activity of individuals. This was necessary in order to keep the two opposite sex individuals together for longer periods of time. Why was this necessary? Because in a family, the new individual has a better chance to be raised in secure conditions and be TAUGHT the knowledge/experience of the parents. At superior levels in the animal hierarchy, the number of the offspring decreases, but the parents spend a longer period of time together. The higher we climb this scale, the more this "staying together" gets closer to love and it becomes love for humans.
A third thing connected with sex (but still unproven scientifically completely) is the fact that the fluid/energy exchange during the sexual acti with the opposite sex partner can improve the health of both and increase their longevity (it may be another mechanism from nature, because a couple who lives longer can rise better and more offspring and teach them more from their experience, for further reading I recommend any book by Mantak Chia about Daoist sex).
Going now back to homosexuality: it's obvious that the reproductive use does not exist here. One can argue that with the new advances of science one will be able to create new beings from two same-sex partners. The answer is: one can't use homosexual sex for it, this can only be done in a laboratory, so one can create a new human being from any combination of Earth people without involving sex. So, this option fails 100% if we talk about homosexuality.
As one can't create an offspring, there is no natural way to keep a homosexual couple together. And statistically, most homosexuals have an unbelievable high promiscuity, having sex with hundreds of partners (jus check any statistics about AIDS or other deseases spread - any sexually transmitted disease has a higher incidence among homosexual groups). Obviously, there is no hormonal balancing in homosexual sex as it is in the heterosexual.
Yet, one can see a use of homosexuality (because evrything that exits in nature has a use): if a species becomes too numerous, studies have shown that homosexuality may increase. Why? Just in order to regulate its number. Some individuals may have this behaviour in order to avoid creating offspring. Thei are the lower quality genes that are not neded for the species survival, and will be sacrificed for the well being of the better adapted individuals, avoiding the overpopulation. It is a mechanism triggered when the epidemics can't regulate the species.
In conclusion: I can totally justify my heterosexual behaviour but never met a homosexual who could do this about his/her homosexual behaviour. Homosexuality is a sickness meant to regulate the numbers of a species then epidemics fail to clean it. It is another natural way that eliminates the bad genes and allows to the better ones a good chance to reproduce.
As much as they want to be considered 100% normal, no sane person can accept a homosexual like this, for the very reason one can't accept as sane an insane person. Someone who cannot justify their actions, can't be 100% rational and sane. And the fact they don't accept being called "sick" is so much more a prove they are insane (who'd dare to call an insane person insane in face without the risk of being directly attacked?). From my personal experience: every time I tried on the internet a rational discussion about homosexuality, I was directly attacked with verbal abuse bu some homosexuals who couldn't give me any reasonable argument to support their behaviour, and their behaviour itself just proved my conclusions as true: homosexuality is a disease that should be TREATED and NOT ACCEPTED AS NORMAL BEHAVIOUR. I'd like to see any homosexual person who can bring me any RATIONAL arguments to justify his/her behaviour.
For people who think they were born with the wrong sex, the nowdays medicine allows sex change operations, so they can do that and become normal people, I see nothing wong with it and also no religion sees anything wrong with that (fo example, in Iran, seen as a bastion of Islamic fundamentalism by many, sex change operations are legal and the people born with the wrong sex are helped to fix this error).
I'm open to any discussion on this topic, with the warning that any personal attacks, injurious comments and irrational replies will be deleted. Thank you for the patience of reading this, and I hope that these few lines may enlighten a few people and make them think twice when they want to accept homosexuals as "sane" persons. I don't see any reason to offer privileges to insane people who also have zero tolerance for any cultural values which don't support their promiscuity.

[Freeski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jrh8VVwMI4

Explained by the best of the best, TheAmazingAtheist.

Watch the video before you make an opinionated comment.

Okay, so it's basically trying to prove the point that gay people are just as important as non gay people, right? And that it's a "natural" thing, in that it happens all through nature. Fair enough, but homosexuality is still a natural mistake. (Assuming the primary purpose of sex is to keep the species alive)

[Freeski]

It's OK to Say, "That's So Gay"

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=137115.msg825125#msg825125


"We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)


by Henry Makow Ph.D.


Millions of young people say, "That's so gay" to denote alien, different or unhealthy.

To me, this is a hopeful sign that civilization may yet survive.

For Rockefeller-Rothschild social engineers, however, it's a nightmare.

These youths did not imbibe the propaganda that gay and straight are the same, i.e. "lifestyle preferences" like cable or satellite.

So these Cabalist bankers have launched an expensive "public service" TV  campaign to teach kids that obeying their healthy instincts is "homophobic."

They've got celebrities like lesbian comedian Wanda Sykes and Hillary Duff (That's So Gay - Wanda Sykes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0 ) overhearing teenagers, interrupting and chewing them out. "How would you like it if your identity was used to mean dumb or stupid?"


ANTHROPOLOGY


Every first-year anthropology student learns that group cohesion is maintained by defining in-group and out-group behavior. If a group cannot define itself in these terms, it disappears. (For example, homosexuals use the derogatory term "breeders" to refer to us.)

You're not homophobic. This campaign is a rearguard action in a war on your sexual identity. Gay Pride apparently is OK but heterosexuals cannot uphold their identity. I'm here to tell you, "Bend over no more."

Until 1975, homosexuality was considered a developmental disorder. Therapists thought it a major neurosis, a sexual perversion and even a physical illness. Then the Rockefellers yanked the American Psychological Association's chain and magically, overnight, what for centuries had been abnormal, suddenly was normal.

This is part of a larger attack on gender and marriage designed to decrease population and undermine the family. In the bankers' New World Order, children are born to single mothers or in laboratories and raised by the state to serve the bankers.

Do you really think the Rockefellers, who financed Eugenics for a century, including Mengele's heinous experiments in Auschwitz, care about homosexuals' feelings? No, they are trying to turn you into homosexuals. They want you to suffer from this disorder. That's why you are learning in school that homosexuality is normal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173919/Lessons-gays-compulsory-age-11.html That's why they use psychological war (guilt) to level your heterosexual defenses.

This isn't about equality and human rights. It's about social engineering and mind control. It's about depopulation and dictatorship.


GAYS MORE EQUAL


In 2002, a Mormon girl was ribbed by her new classmates. "Do you have ten moms?" To which she replied, "That's so gay."

Those three words landed her in big trouble. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/165969/common_phrase_thats_so_gay_creates.html?cat=9 So how selective is this? A Christian's feelings can be hurt, but not a gay person's? Why is that?

They are not promoting tolerance. They are not promoting Christianity. They are promoting homosexuality.

The organization behind the ads, GLSEN the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, has 40 full-time employees! They sponsor pro- gay propaganda in thousands of schools under the pretense that gay youths are being persecuted. The Rockefeller Foundation is paying http://www.floridablade.com/2006/11-10/locallife/feature/feature.cfm They organize Communist-style propaganda events like the annual "Day of Silence" when their supporters protest the fact they are being silenced!!

Wake up heterosexuals! Wars of aggression always use a phony pretext of defending someone from attack.

In reality, heterosexuality is under attack. You are being persecuted. You are coerced to adopt unhealthy behavior which will prevent you from marrying and procreating.

For course, gay youths should be treated with kindness and consideration. It's not their fault they are gay. They're not aware of how homosexuality is being used. But let's draw a line. They're not the same as we are and we have a right to say so. We mate for life for the purpose of procreation.


A LITTLE BACKGROUND


Our society has been subverted by Cabalist bankers, including many homosexuals, who have stolen the government's credit card. Now they have to create a dictatorship to protect their prize.

They are behind all wars, depression, 9-11 and the credit crunch. These are ways to degrade and demoralize humanity so we will accept their tyranny.

Instead of thinking of homosexuality as same-sex attraction, think of it as gender role confusion resulting in "failure to permanently bond with (i.e. marry) a member of the opposite sex." This failure results in arrested development. Homosexuals generally compensate by having promiscuous sex.

Can you see how, in these terms, heterosexuals have become like homosexuals? Courtship is almost dead. http://www.savethemales.ca/001573.html Anonymous sex ("hooking up") is in. The marriage and birth rates http://www.chicagolandmarriage.org/marriage_statistics.htm are down 33% to 50% from 50 years ago. Forty per cent of children http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-21-births_x.htm are born out of wedlock.

Heterosexuality is not a "lifestyle preference." Heterosexuality is being part of the natural life cycle essential to personal development, happiness and the survival of the species. A country that cared about its survival would foster courtship, marriage and family. Children need the security, love and example of heterosexual parents in a strong marriage.

A country that has been subverted by an alien occult financial power perverts its young men and women. Our politicians, media and educators serve this alien financial power.

Here is what a nurse says about perversions and diseases linked to the "gay lifestyle." http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/medconsequences.html The bankers foster the illusion that gays are just like us, interested in marriage. They aren't. In Holland and Sweden http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 where gays are allowed to have civil unions, less than 3% do. The same is true of Canada. http://www.savethemales.ca/few_gays_opt_to_marry.html The bankers want you to behave like most gays. They want you to have sex but not marriage and family. They own the world and see you as cattle or "useless eaters."


CONCLUSION


So on Father's Day, let's celebrate heterosexuality. Let's celebrate marriage and children.
Let's celebrate men who support and lead their families, and women who sacrifice for husband and children.

As for the Rockefellers' commercials, let's say, "That's so gay!"

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If you agree, forward to a teenager.

Related-- Judith Reisman,  'GLSEN and Hitler Youth' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=93528

Look at the Rockefeller Planned Parenthood website--promoting homosexuality http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

More on this subject in my book, "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order"

http://www.henrymakow.com/its_ok_to_say_thats_so_gay.html

That was humourous!