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« Reply #160 on: October 11, 2009, 06:31:09 PM » |
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Well, either homosexuality is a defect or a choice, which is it?
If it's a defect, it's not a choice, and if it's a choice it's not a defect.
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« Reply #161 on: October 11, 2009, 06:32:40 PM » |
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Yea, just because I like my own gender, doesn't mean I don't deserve the same respect as a straight person.
A person who makes that comment is conceited.
Um... what? It's known that in today's society that homosexuals do NOT receive the same respect as other living beings. He's saying that he disagrees with that, even though he views homosexuality as an aberration. I don't see how his comment is in any way indicative that he's conceited, or anyone else making that kind of comment. No more so than anyone saying: "I think black people should get the same respect as other people." Is conceited. |
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There is no "gray" when it comes to what is good or evil, it is always black and white. People have the potential to be as evil as Hitler, or as good as Gandhi or MLK Jr. However, most people are more like zebras.
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« Reply #162 on: October 11, 2009, 06:33:28 PM » |
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Possibly, I haven't given that aspect too much thought yet. Going with that it does bring up another thing to discuss:
Given: It is a natural aberration, with it's own merit. Therefore, how, if at all, does that conclusion play into the "is it evil" question?
I think my answer to that would be whether or not it is "evil" to NOT reproduce. I think there are few solid arguments based on that. It might be "good" to reproduce, arguably, yet that doesn't mean that not having children means you're evil. I think it is Catholics primarily, and perhaps Mormons (been a while since I looked at their doctrines) that go against people using contraceptives. However for Catholics that is based on the belief that most contraceptives, especially medicines, actually kill the conceived child. I'm not sure of their view on condoms and other "blocking" devices however, or how it reconciles with women having periods or masturbation (which also "waste" eggs and seed).
In any event, considering that their view is that the holiest of men be celibate, and not have children, it all comes down to the issue that, religiously speaking, not having children is not a sin (though an abortion or similar act would be). Indeed, I forget which book, but in the New Testament one of the apostles talks about how it would be good if people didn't marry at all, and lived entirely devoted to God (but recognizes that isn't likely to happen, and gives tips on a good, godly marriage).
As such, the argument, coming from anyone of the Christian faith, that it's evil because it doesn't produce children is invalid. It is clearly natural because it happens across the board in humans, non-human animals, etc. As such, the only argument from a religious basis that holds water is: "God doesn't like it." Or, rather: "These books say God doesn't like it."
Yet it being an aberration, and whether or not it is "natural" plays no role in determining whether or not it is a sin.
Otherwise, you're going into Secular Humanism, with the basis that species are "meant" to reproduce (which is another assumption I find interesting, though to me it is still valid). Which, pointed out to me in a thread that referenced this thread, is also promoted by the NWO, at least as a front for their crimes against humanity.
Yeah, I was raised Catholic and somehow I got the idea that is was bad.... if it wasn't to reproduce. But I think God gave us an unlimited supply to ensure maximum output. |
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« Reply #163 on: October 11, 2009, 06:35:54 PM » |
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It is defect caused by wrong unnatural choice.
So, the whole it's a choice deal by people was just BS? A defect is something that occurs that can be corrected, well, people have tried for years to correct someone of being attracted to the same sex, which doesn't seem to work, as you can't make someone love someone. |
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« Reply #164 on: October 11, 2009, 06:36:18 PM » |
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It is defect caused by wrong unnatural choice.
Being a defect implies that it's built in. Much as infertility is "built in" or acquired. You can acquire a bad behavior pattern or habit, or example, if you choose to go around killing people. Yet it doesn't create a defect in the person. It only implies a bad choice. If it's a defect, than that person has NO CHOICE and must go around killing people. Because they are defective. It is theoretically POSSIBLE to hard-program a person to do either. But that is not by their choice. That is by the actions of others messing around with biochemistry and neural paths. |
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« Reply #165 on: October 11, 2009, 06:36:48 PM » |
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Um... what?
It's known that in today's society that homosexuals do NOT receive the same respect as other living beings. He's saying that he disagrees with that, even though he views homosexuality as an aberration. I don't see how his comment is in any way indicative that he's conceited, or anyone else making that kind of comment.
No more so than anyone saying: "I think black people should get the same respect as other people." Is conceited.
I was making a point that it was indeed conceited. |
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« Reply #166 on: October 11, 2009, 06:42:16 PM » |
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Yeah, I was raised Catholic and somehow I got the idea that is was bad.... if it wasn't to reproduce. But I think God gave us an unlimited supply to ensure maximum output.
The closest thing I can think of to anything said against masturbation, was in (Leviticus?) the Old Testament, talking about how you should clean up if any bodily fluids get on your clothing, etc. It wasn't exactly a direct condemnation of masturbation or "rabbiting" or non-vaginal sex though, so much as a "please sanitize properly" thing. I, however, have only read protestant Bibles, and not all the way, so there may be some apocrypha or missed text talking about that being bad that I'm not aware of. I was making a point that it was indeed conceited.
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« Reply #167 on: October 11, 2009, 06:43:13 PM » |
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Being a defect implies that it's built in. Much as infertility is "built in" or acquired. You can acquire a bad behavior pattern or habit, or example, if you choose to go around killing people. Yet it doesn't create a defect in the person. It only implies a bad choice.
If it's a defect, than that person has NO CHOICE and must go around killing people. Because they are defective. It is theoretically POSSIBLE to hard-program a person to do either. But that is not by their choice. That is by the actions of others messing around with biochemistry and neural paths.
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« Reply #168 on: October 11, 2009, 06:46:36 PM » |
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And I'm saying that I don't see how it's conceited. To assume gays don't deserve the same rights, just b/c they are gay. |
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« Reply #169 on: October 11, 2009, 06:50:27 PM » |
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Chris you seem like a real stand up guy with a good head on your shoulders. I am proud to call you brother!! This issue has been discussed here many times and it's always a losing proposition as the phobics come screaming out of their closets. And we know about the ones that scream loudest.  They are the first ones to help a bud out while drunk but that's ok cause they don't remember. Wink. Wink..........ignore them and keep fighting the NWO..........you have to much capability to waste on this .........JMHO. |
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« Reply #170 on: October 11, 2009, 06:51:42 PM » |
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To assume gays don't deserve the same rights, just b/c they are gay.
Right, but I read it as his assumption was that they DO deserve the same rights, but aren't getting them. I think though, (almost) all of us here agree that homosexuals deserve the same rights as all others. That is, after all, what we're all fighting for. Otherwise it's just a "new" NWO (NNWO). |
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« Reply #171 on: October 11, 2009, 06:52:20 PM » |
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Chris you seem like a real stand up guy with a good head on your shoulders. I am proud to call you brother!! This issue has been discussed here many times and it's always a losing proposition as the phobics come screaming out of their closets. And we know about the ones that scream loudest. They are the first ones to help a bud out while drunk but that's ok cause they don't remember. Wink. Wink..........ignore them and keep fighting the NWO..........you have to much capability to waste on this .........JMHO. Thanks. |
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« Reply #172 on: October 11, 2009, 06:52:46 PM » |
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Right, but I read it as his assumption was that they DO deserve the same rights, but aren't getting them.
I think though, (almost) all of us here agree that homosexuals deserve the same rights as all others.
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« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2009, 06:54:12 PM » |
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So, the whole it's a choice deal by people was just BS?
A defect is something that occurs that can be corrected, well, people have tried for years to correct someone of being attracted to the same sex, which doesn't seem to work, as you can't make someone love someone.
Man/woman how I should call you? Your nature was defected by wrong choice made from sick animal lust. So you can: a) Go to doctor. b) Stay sick and defected with wrong unnatural choice to fulfill your animal lust. c) Go to monastery and become monk, and let a God mercy on your soul by giving you health. d) Stay at home meditating with mantra "I am natural, I am normal, no mater what is real" |
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Resist. Rebel. Cry out to all peoples and nations from the sky as the lightening flashes from the east to the west and judge the living and the dead.Or choose submission and slavery.
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« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2009, 06:54:25 PM » |
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Yea.
Excellent, so now let's go resist this crazy fascist dictatorship. |
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« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2009, 06:57:11 PM » |
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Man/woman how I should call you? Your nature was defected by wrong choice made from sick animal lust. So you can:
a) Go to doctor.
b) Stay sick and defected with wrong unnatural choice to fulfill your animal lust.
c) Go to monastery and become monk, and let a God mercy on your soul by giving you health.
d) Stay at home meditating with mantra "I am natural, I am normal, no mater what is real"
lol, I am a male, I am anatomically a male, I act masculine, if you didn't know I was gay, you would never know in person, as I don't have feminine, and I have seen people try just that, and it doesn't work. End of discussion, want to discuss it more, private message me. |
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