Is there a Doctor, Nurse or Dentist in the house? I'm in pain.

[N.E.P.]

Yesterday I woke up with a severe toothache. I didn't go to the doctors or dentists because I wanted to give it another day to see if it was serious. Well today I woke up and the left side of my face was completely swollen and I have a black eye right now. I am not trying to sound like a tough guy but I am used to toughing out little injuries like this so I thought it was no big deal. My nose which I broke a couple of times when I was a youngster feels like it may have been broken again do to the swelling. By about 2 pm I couldn't take it any longer so I called the dentist and set up an appointment for Monday. At about 5pm by brother came by and brought ora-gel, Tylenol, Advil, and a bottle of rum. I also have Listerine to wash my mouth out. I am in serious pain right now and have been resorting to dipping my face in a bowl of ice cold water. Does any one have any remedies for me. I'm going start pounding down the rum pretty soon. The emergency room that I would have to go to is a nightmare on weekend nights so I would like to avoid it all costs.

[luckee1]

pm IndependentVW, she is a natural healer.  I don't remember what she said on that.  (I must start cocpying this stuff down.)  I think it was cayenne and ginger.  CHECK WITH HER!

[Jon W]

You have an infection. And since it is moving up, towards your eye, it is in your upper jaw and is close to your brain. It is most likely traveling up the nerves.

In the old days, 40% of all deaths in people under ~40, were do to dental infections.

I'd go get antibiotics.

Acetometaphine(sp)+ alcohol= dead liver.

Acetometaphine is tylonol.

[Freeski]

No need for a PM, we can all learn from this. Get well fast, New England Patriot!

[Freeski]

You have an infection. And since it is moving up, towards your eye, it is in your upper jaw and is close to your brain. It is most likely traveling up the nerves.

In the old days, 40% of all deaths in people under ~40, were do to dental infections.

I'd go get antibiotics.

Acetometaphine(sp)+ alcohol= dead liver.

Acetometaphine is tylonol.

40%. Wow.

[Warrior of the Light]

http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php

[Jon W]

40%. Wow.

That is according to my dentist....

[N.E.P.]

You have an infection. And since it is moving up, towards your eye, it is in your upper jaw and is close to your brain. It is most likely traveling up the nerves.

In the old days, 40% of all deaths in people under ~40, were do to dental infections.

I'd go get antibiotics.

Acetometaphine(sp)+ alcohol= dead liver.

Acetometaphine is tylonol.

I was afraid of that. Thanks, I will go to the ER in the early morning. I will save the bottle of rum for a rainy day. I got nervous when I saw that it was spreading upwards.

Been there.... You have an abscess of the jaw or gum... Grap some salt water and get it hot and swish it around the tooth. Then get some clove oil and rub it around the tooth. Then start sucking on the tooth hard... It will pop and blood will fill your mouth but the pain should be gone. I would recommend wiggling the tooth a little to give the fluid a path to release from. A abscess can cause a blood infection and cause to much strain on the heart, so start sucking the infection out....  It has happened to me more times than I can count.

Thanks Burlguy. I have never had a abscess tooth before. It sucks pretty bad. That's what my brother thought it was.

Thanks Luckee. Thanks Freseki.

[deconstructmyhouse]

wow....the Prison Planet Forumorum is also a medical hotline?!
interesting...probably okay this time, but maybe not a good precedent

[TheCaliKid]

Yesterday I woke up with a severe toothache. I didn't go to the doctors or dentists because I wanted to give it another day to see if it was serious. Well today I woke up and the left side of my face was completely swollen and I have a black eye right now. I am not trying to sound like a tough guy but I am used to toughing out little injuries like this so I thought it was no big deal. My nose which I broke a couple of times when I was a youngster feels like it may have been broken again do to the swelling. By about 2 pm I couldn't take it any longer so I called the dentist and set up an appointment for Monday. At about 5pm by brother came by and brought ora-gel, Tylenol, Advil, and a bottle of rum. I also have Listerine to wash my mouth out. I am in serious pain right now and have been resorting to dipping my face in a bowl of ice cold water. Does any one have any remedies for me. I'm going start pounding down the rum pretty soon. The emergency room that I would have to go to is a nightmare on weekend nights so I would like to avoid it all costs.

Were your wisdom teeth ever pulled?

[independentWV]

Cloves effect nerves directly reducing pain signals to the brain. Oil of cloves gives quick pain relief for toothache.

Use old sock to make poultice add cayenne, garlic and cloves. Tie so ingredients will not spill out. Fill bowl with hot very warm water dip poultice in water until saturated then wring and apply to face until the poultice cools. Dip back in warm water and repeat this process four more times.

Tea - use paper coffee filter add sage, cloves, garlic and cayenne. Tie with piece of string. Will taste bad but the power of these herbs remedy infection. Drink cup of tea three times a day.

I am a naturopathy physician if you need further advice send me pm will be glad to help and hope you feel better.

[Freeski]

+1 for truth..... Start sucking and it will pop unless it is to far up in your Jaw.. Wiggle the bastard and suck...

You have to be right because that mass of crap just doesn't belong there. I had it once and I thought I was turning into the Elephant Man. Not fun at all.

[Warrior of the Light]

http://www.hesperian.info/assets/wtndentist_2009/wtndentist_2009_ch07.pdf

Page 93 (abscess)

[N.E.P.]

wow....the Prison Planet Forumorum is also a medical hotline?!
interesting...probably okay this time, but maybe not a good precedent

Maybe not. I looked for the most relevant area to post it in. (Alt Health/Natural Food/Survival) Mods, feel free to erase in a couple of days. Although it could be useful in the future if labeled as toothe ache or abscess tooth cures.

[N.E.P.]

The bone surrounding the tooth is designed to compress and give. The abscess is more than likely in a root pocket. If you man up to it and wiggle the tooth it should loosen some. While doing so suck on the tooth hard.

It will shock you how much blood will pour but it causes instant relief... Its just getting it to pop that sucks. I pulled a half a tooth a couple weeks back when it broke in half after biting down on a rock( wile eating Rock cod-a fish). You just have to tell yourself over and over again your not going to die and it has to be done... Easier said than done.

That sounds pretty hardcore. Like a civil war surgeons table, haha. The tooth that hurts is actually bonded I  chipped my two front teeth when I was a teenager and got them bonded.

[N.E.P.]

Were your wisdom teeth ever pulled?

Yes about 10 years ago. I looked like a chimp monk for a week.

[Freeski]

wow....the Prison Planet Forumorum is also a medical hotline?!
interesting...probably okay this time, but maybe not a good precedent

Actually, maybe a forum discussion is the best approach for a sufferer? Think about it: it's hard to publish bullshit and get away with it in an open forum. People will and do call you out. All kinds of evidence, both circumstantial AND scientific, gets posted. Stuff get debunked, debated and argued and in reality, this method is way better than a basic "second opinion" from yet another AMA-sanctioned doctor. A forum like this gives us all kinds of raw material, along with a broad range of "experts" to help us interpret it. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

[N.E.P.]

OK, You guys made me nervous I'm jumping in the shower and going to the emergency room. I'll give ya an update when I get back. Thanks for your help.

[Freeski]

OK, You guys made me nervous I'm jumping in the shower and going to the emergency room. I'll give ya an update when I get back. Thanks for your help.

Good luck and "Say No!" to the free flu shot while you're there!

[URpwneddude]

Yesterday I woke up with a severe toothache. I didn't go to the doctors or dentists because I wanted to give it another day to see if it was serious. Well today I woke up and the left side of my face was completely swollen and I have a black eye right now. I am not trying to sound like a tough guy but I am used to toughing out little injuries like this so I thought it was no big deal. My nose which I broke a couple of times when I was a youngster feels like it may have been broken again do to the swelling. By about 2 pm I couldn't take it any longer so I called the dentist and set up an appointment for Monday. At about 5pm by brother came by and brought ora-gel, Tylenol, Advil, and a bottle of rum. I also have Listerine to wash my mouth out. I am in serious pain right now and have been resorting to dipping my face in a bowl of ice cold water. Does any one have any remedies for me. I'm going start pounding down the rum pretty soon. The emergency room that I would have to go to is a nightmare on weekend nights so I would like to avoid it all costs.

I am a dentist who extracts teeth all the time, I even surgically remove impacted molars.  There may be no appropriate home remedy for what you are describing but I'll give it my best.  Please keep in mind that it is impossible for me to give you accurate advice without seeing you.

Whatever you do do NOT mix tylenol and alcohol.  Your liver will really let you know if you do.  Emergency rooms of most hospitals will not be much help either for immediate pain relief, but still you should go.  If you are lucky they may drain the abscess if there is palpable swelling in the fascial planes of your head.  Obviously, they will prescribe an antibiotic for you, hopefully you aren't allergic to penicillins and they prescribe something like Augmentin.  After being on the antibiotic for 48 hours it will be safe enough to use warm compressed on the infection to help it breakdown and potentially drain about the tooth socket.  No matter if it feels better, keep your Monday dentist appointment. 

I may be anti-amalgam and anti-fluoride, but antibiotics are a must!

Hang in there.

[luckee1]

If you do take antibiotics please do a candida cleanse when you are done with them. 

[reed026]

for antibiotics, if they happen to give you Cipro be very careful around Fluorescent lights and drink plenty of fluids.

[independentWV]

If you do take antibiotics please do a candida cleanse when you are done with them. 

I agree. Also, to help maintain favorable intestional flora foods such as miso, tamari or fresh yogurt.

Important antibiotic herbs include goldenseal, chaparral, buchu, myrrh, juniper berries, thyme and garlic.

Sage is a great antiseptic to prevent growth of bacteria.

[Freeski]

for antibiotics, if they happen to give you Cipro be very careful around Fluorescent lights and drink plenty of fluids.

Does beer count? (as liquids)

[xfahctor]

 I am just going to concur with the medical personal in here who have said go get on antibiotics. this is nothing to fool with, it can wind you up in the hospital or worse, kill you...go to the ER, they mat even give you enough pain meds to help you sleep untill you can get to the pharmacy in the morning. Tylonol and Advil will probably not even touch the pain, from experience (and I dont take a lot of those things) this is something that will probably require at least vicodine to dull the pain. I can't think of a worse pain than an abcessed tooth (sorry ladies, i have never given birth) and nothing over the counter has ever worked for me.
 Keep your head elevated, you will find it gets worse when you lie down. Walking around will draw the blood flow downward and help heep the swelling and pain down but if you need to rest, at least do it sitting up.

[independentWV]

Does beer count? (as liquids)

Candida is not any fun would stick with water. Yeast and mold yuck  

[reed026]

Does beer count? (as liquids)

No. Preferably water, they gave me this stuff about a year ago because of a possible infection from stepping on a broken pallet that had a few nails protruding through it.

I drank the required amount of water and then some, about 3/4 to 1 gallon a day for the 7 days and nothing else. Hair started turning white, come to find out it was because of UV from the lighting I normally work under. After I found that out I wore a hat for awhile and everything returned to normal for the most part, had to shave my hair off but the black grew back in. That was an odd experience though.

If you don't drink enough water, you skin can turn yellow though. Also, Cipro is a very heavy duty antibiotic as far as I know. My reading is that it is used for anthrax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin
Hmm, after reading through that wiki article, it seems the FDA has removed it as a first line of action against Anthrax. Odd it was about a year ago from the leaflet they gave with the meds.

You have to be very careful with the meds the doctors give out, and if they want to give you shots in the office always ask for the pamphlet before you agree to take anything. Had to do that today for a Tromethamine shot. Nurse looked at me funny when I asked if it had a mercury preservative or aluminum. I just told her I didn't want that garbage in my system because I know it can build up.

[EarthAngel_2012]

my best advise is to get that tooth out.. you really don't want the infection to go into your blood stream. that can be fatal.. if you know anyone with any kind of antibiotics i suggest you asj=k them and look the drug up for the sig or directions..over the counter meds that works well is clove oil or something called red cross toothache. it had 85% euthenol wich works very well anlong with ibuprophen or aleve.. but don't take more than 800mg within 8 hours. the daily dose is 2000 mg anyting more can rupture or blow out  your liver.. and i wouldn't suggest to much alcohol with it either..you plasma and main organs can only bound a percentage of drugs (including alcohol) while the rest is release in the blood stream.. you wouldn't want an accidental overdose..
hope this is helpful

[deconstructmyhouse]

Actually, maybe a forum discussion is the best approach for a sufferer? Think about it: it's hard to publish bullshit and get away with it in an open forum. People will and do call you out. All kinds of evidence, both circumstantial AND scientific, gets posted. Stuff get debunked, debated and argued and in reality, this method is way better than a basic "second opinion" from yet another AMA-sanctioned doctor. A forum like this gives us all kinds of raw material, along with a broad range of "experts" to help us interpret it. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

yeah sure but i'm just sayin: bad precedent. I mean it's pretty clear this guy has a tooth abcess, but hell, there's folks talking about soaking old socks in cloves and hot water and plastering it on his face.  I mean, sure, why not: but bottom line: this is not good precedent.  Internet's great for info sharing, but not for off the cuff medical calls for a guy we can't see who's  in serious pain.  

He should get someone to look at it.  We need to bring back the underground village doctor.  

Bottom line: this poor dude has to go to an anti-NWO forum for medical advice because our health care system is so f**ked up he can't get something simple like this taken care of in real time.  It ain't right.  And this isn't a back door push for Obama-care, believe me.

[N.E.P.]

Ok Folks, all set. I do have a tooth abscess. I could have died if I waited till Monday. I was prescribed clindamycin HCL 300 MG capsule and Oxycodone 5-325 MG Tab. I have to go the dentist on Monday to fix the tooth. An old woman in a wheel chair went poopy in her pants at the waiting room and the smell was making me dry heave. other than that it was a pretty painless experience. I'm really itchy from the percocet.
I seriously want to thank you guys for telling me the seriousness of my situation and possibly saving my life. You all get some Karma points for sure.

[reed026]

Just don't drink with the oxycodone. The 325 mg is a asprin/apap, alcohol consumption along with that can lead to GI Bleeding, ulcers, and can serious hurt your liver.

I have Hydocodone right now for a strained muscle, so I have to join in on this no alcohol consumption bus

Just get some rest and don't take that medicine on an empty stomach.

[Kilika]

Ok Folks, all set. I do have a tooth abscess. I could have died if I waited till Monday. I was prescribed clindamycin HCL 300 MG capsule and Oxycodone 5-325 MG Tab. I have to go the dentist on Monday to fix the tooth. An old woman in a wheel chair went poopy in her pants at the waiting room and the smell was making me dry heave. other than that it was a pretty painless experience. I'm really itchy from the percocet.
I seriously want to thank you guys for telling me the seriousness of my situation and possibly saving my life. You all get some Karma points for sure.

Yep, any infection needs attention pronto. Don't take it lightly. Typically antobiotics will get it under control in a week or so. Make sure you do the full treatment of the antibiotics.

My wife has been a Medical Assistant for a few years now and she says the itching is a reaction to the medication. Any of the three mentioned could be the cause. Narcotics cause itching a lot. Any history with reactions to meds? Being just an itch, which is common, try some Benydril, though keep in mind it can make you very drowsy. If that doesn't ease the itching you might want to contact your doctor about changing the meds, because the itching is actually an allergic reaction. Lots of rest won't hurt, so a little sleep from the Benydril can help the body fight the infection, but use as directed.

[N.E.P.]

Ok I just woke up and I feel far worse than yesterday. My nose is broken or fractured. My gums still kill and my cheeks are swollen. Its gonna take a few days before I feel better I think. I have had a grand total of 4 hours sleep in the past few days. I'm not very pleasant to be around right now. I'll hang in there. Thanks again PP forum members for your help. You are all class acts.

[Freeski]

Hang in there, dude. Sounds horrid!

[EarthAngel_2012]

that's true.. the itching can be an allergic reaction to the pain meds of if you taking penicillin you may be allergic to it. you would need a penicillin derivative.. they act the same as penicillin minus the ingredients that people are allergic to. 25mg or 50 mg of benedryl (diphenhydramine) can combat the allergic reaction

[N.E.P.]

Hang in there.... Did you take a fall or something to break your nose, do you have a broken jaw bone? Are you clenching your teeth in your sleep?

 It sounds as if you need to take some time away from everything and relax... This may be a good time to let go of some stress. Prayer really helps.

 Alcohol in my past experience only makes everything worse in the long run, it would also make me clench my teeth in my sleep causing a loose tooth that would abscess. Not a good thing, as you know. 

Thanks. I do clench my teeth when I am sleeping. I also clench my teeth when I'm doing things that require concentration, like sports, reading, video games and driving. I'm starting a new business venture so I have some extra anxiety in my life right now. I'm a lapsed Catholic and haven't been to Mass since high school. I have started to get way more spiritual over the past year after learning about the NWO. I don't drink that much anymore because it makes me depressed the next day. I used to drink like a fish when I was in high school and college. I have toned it down since then. I drink once or twice a week and only in social settings. I will take this time to get rid of some stress and relax.  Thanks for the advice.
 


I am on the road to recovery. I just had a 18 hour sleep. My dreams were epic and intense.  There was villains, heroes and even a "damsel in distress"  love interest. The dream also had some killer plot twists. What a production ! I guess the medz helped with my heavy slumber. I woke up at about 11:50 and turned on the AJ show. I took some more percocet and fell asleep again. This time Jones's and Icke's voices were incorporated in to my dreams. I was literally dreaming what they were talking about. Bizarre but explainable.