Blast into Lunar pole in NASA search for water on the moon

[chris jones]

One step at a time, if we can't colonize this planet without constant warfare,corporate & heirachy domination,
genocide, torture, mindebending controll, and so on.

My take is mankind is far from prepared to venture into other worlds, after all what we we done with this one.

Don't missunderstand it is my heartfelt oppinion that one fine day mankind may wake up and unite. We may rid the planet of the plague, the parsites in controll, and aim for interplanetary colonization, great stuff.

In the meantime there are more mysterys in our faces right here on this earth that we have failed to investigate.

I am however in favor of rounding up each and every traitorous leech and sending them to the moon, ASAP.

[cueball7]

Ok folks, someone please explain to me, besides the collossal waste of money, what is it about this that has everyone so worried and up in arms?

Well, for starters the apollo missions have already proven that there is water on the moon. Why TF are we being told ad-nausium that Nasa is bombing the moon to see if there is water?  I don't buy the horseshit reason for one second. Something else is going on. Don't forget what NASA stands for- Never A Strait Answer.

[mr anderson]

What's the esoteric reasoning for impacting the moon? The symbology...I do remember someone talking about why they did it.

[simpson7777]

Some one once said that there where alien stations on the moon I say we are about to start a fight with the E.T....

[Cobra]

lol

It's pretty obvious that this is the answer to the Chinese knocking out a useless satt a few months back. Except I'm not enitely sure that it's only directed at the Chinese.
It's a military weapons test.

[JTCoyoté]

lol

It's pretty obvious that this is the answer to the Chinese knocking out a useless satt a few months back. Except I'm not enitely sure that it's only directed at the Chinese.
It's a military weapons test.

Well... it is pretty obvious to me that you have spent entirely too much time thinking in military terms, and not enough time in the real world...   

JTCoyoté

"One man with courage is a majority."
~Thomas Jefferson

[JTCoyoté]

Some one once said that there where alien stations on the moon I say we are about to start a fight with the E.T....

Someone, once told you... a line of crapola... total and utter bullshit that neither they OR you can substantiate... you have been psy-opted, or you are attempting to pull a psy-op here... but like your hairdresser... only you know for sure.

--Oldyoti

“We confide in our strength, without boasting of it;
 we respect that of others, without fearing it."
~Thomas Jefferson 1793

[JTCoyoté]

What's the esoteric reasoning for impacting the moon? The symbology...I do remember someone talking about why they did it.

What... are you campaigning for the head of the new Mayan priesthood..? The only symbology here is a search for water... I wish to hell you people would get your heads out of your asses!

JTCoyoté

"I have sworn upon the altar of almighty God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny
over the mind of man."
~Thomas Jefferson

Including ASSHATS!

[xfahctor]

Some one once said that there where alien stations on the moon I say we are about to start a fight with the E.T....

[mr anderson]

What... are you campaigning for the head of the new Mayan priesthood..? The only symbology here is a search for water... I wish to hell you people would get your heads out of your asses!

JTCoyoté

"I have sworn upon the altar of almighty God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny
over the mind of man."
~Thomas Jefferson

Including ASSHATS!

Wtf?

As I said before I had heard there was another reason for this mission... Much like why Space-shuttle Columbia was called 'Columbia'. It has a hidden-in-plain sight meaning.

I know it's for water... 

But I can't put my finger on the hidden meaning of crashing into the moon. And it's not some whacky Mayan reference...I have no idea where you pulled that from.

It's more of an occult nature.

[aviana]

I don't think this was posted already.  Here is the YT vid of the 'impact' from the NASA imagery lab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJhWWfcNAfw

I wouldn't waste your time watching it though... it's like watching paint dry for 9:20mins, and there's nothing to see anyway.

Probably my most useless post to date.  

[Cobra]

Well... it is pretty obvious to me that you have spent entirely too much time thinking in military terms, and not enough time in the real world...  

JTCoyoté

"One man with courage is a majority."
~Thomas Jefferson

well played, but........... Do you really think it's anything other than a military weapons test disguised as " finding water on the moon".
The cover story isn't even that great which should be another hint.

Oh I know. The elite want to colonize the moon when they're already Lords and Masters over billions of peons on Earth who have become dumber over the years. lol
So all the elite will gather on the moon and what....... kick rocks all day amongst themselves?

Oh I know...the elite will go to the moon, release a plague or set of a few hundred thermo nuclear devices, kill off 90% of the populace, and then come back to earth! Yeah, that's it. I mean the lite are so scared right now,Shaking in their boots from the threat of the peasants.

[xfahctor]

well played, but........... Do you really think it's anything other than a military weapons test disguised as " finding water on the moon".
The cover story isn't even that great which should be another hint.

Oh I know. The elite want to colonize the moon when they're already Lords and Masters over billions of peons on Earth who have become dumber over the years. lol

how is crashing a tin can rocket hull in to the moon weapons testing?

[xfahctor]

I don't think this was posted already.  Here is the YT vid of the 'impact' from the NASA imagery lab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJhWWfcNAfw

I wouldn't waste your time watching it though... it's like watching paint dry for 9:20mins, and there's nothing to see anyway.

Probably my most useless post to date.  

yep, most of the juicy stuff is going to come out of the spectra analysis really, it was all about the data, not a fire works show.

[xfahctor]

Wtf?

As I said before I had heard there was another reason for this mission... Much like why Space-shuttle Columbia was called 'Columbia'. It has a hidden-in-plain sight meaning.

I know it's for water... 

But I can't put my finger on the hidden meaning of crashing into the moon. And it's not some whacky Mayan reference...I have no idea where you pulled that from.

It's more of an occult nature.

and what pray-tell was the "other reason"?

[mr anderson]

and what pray-tell was the "other reason"?

Wasn't that the question I asked?

[Cobra]

how is crashing a tin can rocket hull in to the moon weapons testing?

First of all, we don't know the original destination on the moon. How close did they come to the original target zone?
We don't know what distance the actual rocket traveled and how it held up after launch from the space module.
These are only a few questions out of many that are key to the test.

NASA and the DOD know all of the answers to these questions which are worth far more than "finding water on the moon".
How did NASA all of a sudden go from "finding life and water on Mars" to "Finding water on the moon". All of a sudden they started to give a shit about the moon?

Believing that this is anything other than a weapons test or a test of materials/systems that are to be used in weapons is kind of missing the obvious.

[xfahctor]

First of all, we don't know the original destination on the moon. How close did they come to the original target zone?

pretty much right dead on

We don't know what distance the actual rocket traveled and how it held up after launch from the space module.

yes we do

NASA and the DOD know all of the answers to these questions which are worth far more than "finding water on the moon".

the depaertment of defense had nothing to do with this, there were also a number of amature astronomers who were studying the same data and watching the same thing happen. What "questions" do you think NASA was asking that the rest of the ordinary folks involved on didn't have access to?

[Cobra]

pretty much right dead on
yes we do
 

the depaertment of defense had nothing to do with this, there were also a number of amature astronomers who were studying the same data and watching the same thing happen. What "questions" do you think NASA was asking that the rest of the ordinary folks involved on didn't have access to?

How do you know? Because NASA and the State media told you? lol

What does "dead on" mean? 100 meters off? 10kmoff? 100 km?

Did you actually type that the DOD has nothing to do with NASA? NASA is a huge part of the military industrial complex. Do you relize how much military tech  was first created and tested by NASA and then " went on" or military use? NASA is an extension of DARPA.

You don't know anything.  All you know is what the Feds (NASA) and the State Media tell you.

If you do have the internal memo's and data sheet please do produce them.

[xfahctor]

Wasn't that the question I asked?

the only reason I am aware of was to examine an area of a crater in constant darkness to see if such consitions allowed for water crystal collection....but apparently you seem to think there is another reason, i was curiosy what YOU think they were "really doing".

[Cobra]

the only reason I am aware of was to examine an area of a crater in constant darkness to see if such consitions allowed for water crystal collection....but apparently you seem to think there is another reason, i was curiosy what YOU think they were "really doing".

Two questions:

Why has NASA all of a sudden become interested enough to actually launch rockets at the moon when that hasn't been on their radar for a long time--it's been Mars, Mars, Mars

and...


It's probably just coincidence that NASA decided to schedule this mission to end on the same day that Obama was given the Nobel which invariably deflected media attention away from this mission. Just a coincidence right?

[xfahctor]

How do you know? Because NASA and the State media told you? lol

no because we were able to watch the same event and obsrve the same thing

What does "dead on" mean? 100 meters off? 10kmoff? 100 km?

with in a few meters

Did you actually type that the DOD has nothing to do with NASA? NASA is a huge part of the military industrial complex. Do you relize how much military tech  was first created and tested by NASA and then " went on" or military use?

doen't mean the miltary ran this at all, utter nonsense

You don't know anything.
All you know is what the Feds (NASA) and the State Media tell you.

canned argument, and besides, I have been studyinf astronomy for decades

If you do have the internal memo's and data sheet please do produce them.

no, you are rpesenting the alternate theory, it is up to YOU to defend it, so, produce what evber evidence you have for some alterior motive, give a specific hypothesis of the actual tetst purpose with evidence to back it, and demonstrate how thousands of astronomers who were also observing and studying this, all with access to the same caliber observing equipment, were fooled.

[xfahctor]

Two questions:

Why has NASA all of a sudden become interested enough to actually launch rockets at the moon when that hasn't been on their radar for a long time--it's been Mars, Mars, Mars

and...


It's probably just coincidence that NASA decided to schedule this mission to end on the same day that Obama was given the Nobel which invariably deflected media attention away from this mission. Just a coincidence right?

dude, this has been in the works and schedualed for a VERY long time, been being planned for over a year and the date set for almost as long.

[mr anderson]

the only reason I am aware of was to examine an area of a crater in constant darkness to see if such consitions allowed for water crystal collection....but apparently you seem to think there is another reason, i was curiosy what YOU think they were "really doing".

You didn't read much into what I was saying..at all.

I'm wondering, due to my failed memory on hearing about an occultic symbolism / reference for this mission. ie. Space Shuttle Columbia falling from the sky.

I know it's for water on the moon. What is the occultic reference?

Logo's have occultic references, names, places, maps... forget the mission objectives, focus on what the mission represents. Crashing into the moon. I apologise for not being clearer but I know it's in my subconscious somewhere and it does make sense when we are talking about the NWO.

[xfahctor]

You didn't read much into what I was saying..at all.

I'm wondering, due to my failed memory on hearing about an occultic symbolism / reference for this mission. ie. Space Shuttle Columbia falling from the sky.

I know it's for water on the moon. What is the occultic reference?

Logo's have occultic references, names, places, maps... forget the mission objectives, focus on what the mission represents. Crashing into the moon. I apologise for not being clearer but I know it's in my subconscious somewhere and it does make sense when we are talking about the NWO.

sorry, no occult anything, no symbolism, just a mundane science experiment.

[Cobra]

dude, this has been in the works and schedualed for a VERY long time, been being planned for over a year and the date set for almost as long.

I realize that something like this is not planned in a  weeks time or a month's time. However, NASA has put far more resources into it's MARS based program and here they're seemingly doing something as "simple" as firing rockets at the moon to "search for water"?

Again. You don't know anything. All you (and I ...and others) know is what the Feds and the state media tell us. You can watch the even but how do you know what the exact objectives were? How do you what the success/failure parameters were? Unless you're on the inside you cannot know because not all of them are made public.

You cannot separate the DOD from NASA. NASA, for all intents and purposes, is an arm of DARPA. It is a way to funnel money for military research under the guise of being a "civilian program".

Again, I'm asking how is it that such a coincidence came about where NASA scheduled this mission to end on the day of a massive state choreographed
 news event ( Nobel for Obama) that overshadowed what should have been a big event in itself.

[xfahctor]

Again. You don't know anything. All you (and I ...and others) know is what the Feds and the state media tell us. You can watch the even but how do you know what the exact objectives were? How do you what the success/failure parameters were? Unless you're on the inside you cannot know because not all of them are made public.

for CRIPE SAKES MAN, think CRITICLY will ya, THOUSANDS of other astronomers were observing the SAME THING using the SAME EQUIPMENT AND THEIR OBSERVITORIES, ALL the data is public,  out there for ANYONE to look at because it was gathered by LOTS of other people, nasa didn't see or observe ANYTHING that the others didn't.

[xfahctor]

no wonder this moevment gets so much ridicule....
I'm going to bed.

[Cobra]

for CRIPE SAKES MAN, think CRITICLY will ya, THOUSANDS of other astronomers were observing the SAME THING using the SAME EQUIPMENT AND THEIR OBSERVITORIES, ALL the data is public,  out there for ANYONE to look at because it was gathered by LOTS of other people, nasa didn't see or observe ANYTHING that the others didn't.

hahaahah

so wait...you're meaning to tell me that NASA didn't fire those rockets? That NASA didn't build/acquire the materials for the mission.

You're missing the point. NASA/DOD/FEDS were active participants/ initiators in/of the experiment while all of us were merely observers.

There is a great difference between a participant/initiator  and an observer.  

Oh and again. NASA must have some pretty crazy fortune tellers to schedule the end of the mission on a day where the media coverage of the event would be deflected. Why didn't NASA want as much media exposure as possible?
I mean every silly shuttle launch to the ISS gets tons of media coverage for days on end.

[Harconen]

UFO Videos - Alien Base on the Moon

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1381365/ufo_videos_alien_base_on_the_moon/

Alien base found on moon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcwmjUdGWDA

[mr anderson]

sorry, no occult anything, no symbolism, just a mundane science experiment.

Yeah your right, just dismiss it as something to ignore.

It's not that important but it's their way of expressing the continuation of their plan to dominate us and anything they rest their eyes on.

[mr anderson]

no wonder this moevment gets so much ridicule....
I'm going to bed.

Wasn't aware I was part of anything but a citizen of my country asking questions of even the most mundane science experiment.

No Alien, moon base theories here. I'm just interested in the NWO's way of showing us how they convey their messages through the simplest of ways. Logos, architecture, false flags, music videos etc etc.

Sure I understand it's a science experiment to find water - that's a given and kudos for them. As unimportant as it is there's a little reference in there that I cannot remember for the life of me... But whatever..  

[Letsbereal]

WTF have all these astronauts been doing on the moon? Playing golf? (If they've been there at all that's to say)

We know for ages that there is water on the moon, it's not about water you getting duped again.

Now all the Jap & India satellites discover all the shit!? So what have all these astronauts been doing?


Uranium Found on the Moon
29 June 2009, by Clara Moskowitz (Space Science)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090629-uranium-moon.html

Uranium exists on the moon, according to new data from a Japanese spacecraft.

The findings are the first conclusive evidence for the presence of the radioactive element in lunar dirt, the researchers said. They announced the discovery recently at the 40th Lunar and Planetary Conference and at the Proceedings of the International Workshop Advances in Cosmic Ray Science.

The revelation suggests that nuclear power plants could be built on the moon, or even that Earth's satellite could serve as a mining source for uranium needed back home.

The Japanese Kaguya spacecraft, which was launched in 2007, detected uranium with a gamma-ray spectrometer. Scientists are using the instrument to create maps of the moon's surface composition, showing the presence of thorium, potassium, oxygen, magnesium, silicon, calcium, titanium and iron.

"We've already gotten uranium results, which have never been reported before," said Robert Reedy, a senior scientist at the Tucson-based Planetary Science Institute, and a member of the Kaguya science team. "We're getting more new elements and refining and confirming results found on the old maps."

The findings could help decide where to build future lunar colonies, since manned outposts will need energy, and could potentially derive it from nuclear power plants.

Furthermore, since uranium supplies on Earth are scarce, mining uranium on the moon to satisfy our energy needs at home could prove lucrative.

Kaguya, officially named SELENE ("Selenological and Engineering Explorer"), crashed into the lunar surface at the end of its mission on June 10.


Uranium Found on the Moon http://tinyurl.com/ykk7spb

[Harconen]

Moon potential goldmine of natural resources


July 16th, 2009 by Jean-Louis Santini   

As the Earth's natural resources gradually dwindle, some scientists believe the moon could prove a goldmine for future generations.

Forty years after American Neil Armstrong first walked on the moon, and as the United States prepares to return astronauts to Earth's nearest neighbor by 2020, it remains an object of fascination and curiosity.

Part of the goal of once again returning to our only satellite, and establishing bases there, is to learn more about its hidden natural resources.

"The moon still has a great deal of scientific information left to be discovered that relates directly to... our understanding of the history of the Earth and early history of other planets," geologist Harrison Schmitt told AFP.

Schmitt landed on the moon in 1972 aboard the Apollo 17, the last manned mission to ever touch down on the lunar surface. He is among an elite group of 12 Americans who are the only people to have walked on the moon.

Among the 382 kilos (842 pounds) of rocks and lunar soil brought back by astronauts from the moon during six Apollo missions is a rock that scientists call "genesis," which dates back to around 4.5 million years ago, about the time when the solar system began.

The moon, which has virtually no atmosphere, is effectively a geological blank slate for scientists because it has not had the contact with water and air that has changed the Earth's surface.

"One reason to go back to the moon is to find out whether there is anything of value to be done there... If the answer is yes, you can do economically valuable things and use local resources," said John Logsdon, a curator at Washington's National Air and Space Museum.

America's new lunar program, dubbed Constellation, was launched in 2004 with the intention of establishing a forward operating station for astronauts as well as to seek evidence of water beneath the moon's ground ice.

President Barack Obama has appointed a commission to review the program's cost and goals, but the launch last month of two preparatory lunar modules suggests it is likely to proceed in some form.

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Several other countries, including China and Russia, have announced their ambitions to send missions to the moon, which is 384,400 kilometers (238,855 miles) from Earth -- about a four-day trip by space shuttle.

"I think you will see at least Antarctic-like scientific outposts and maybe even larger facilities on the moon, with people spending long durations of time there," Logsdon told AFP.

Schmitt, a former astronaut, noted that the moon's soil is rich in helium-3, which comes from the outer layer of the sun and is blown around the solar system by solar winds.

The element is rarely found on Earth, unlike on the moon, where it is heavily accumulated because it is pushed away by the Earth's magnetic poles.

Helium-3 is highly sought for nuclear fusion, and though the technology is still in its infancy, the element "will ultimately be quite valuable on Earth," Schmitt said.

"It's not the only solution to the accelerating demand for energy that we are going to see on Earth, but it's certainly one of the major potential solutions to that demand."

Reserves of helium-3 on the moon are in the order of a million tons, according to some estimates, and just 25 tons could serve to power the European Union and United States for a year.

The moon is also an ideal location for astronauts to prepare and train for long missions into space, including to Mars, according to NASA.

"Lunar exploration will allow us to test technologies, systems, flight operation and exploration techniques that will reduce the risk and cost of potential future human missions to asteroids, Mars and beyond," the US space agency said.

(c) 2009 AFP

http://www.physorg.com/news166975298.html

[JTCoyoté]

well played, but........... Do you really think it's anything other than a military weapons test disguised as " finding water on the moon".
The cover story isn't even that great which should be another hint.

Oh I know. The elite want to colonize the moon when they're already Lords and Masters over billions of peons on Earth who have become dumber over the years. lol
So all the elite will gather on the moon and what....... kick rocks all day amongst themselves?

Oh I know...the elite will go to the moon, release a plague or set of a few hundred thermo nuclear devices, kill off 90% of the populace, and then come back to earth! Yeah, that's it. I mean the lite are so scared right now,Shaking in their boots from the threat of the peasants.

Your lack of understanding in physics, your total absorption in government conspiracy, and your lack of imagination show so severely here, that is almost pathetic... if you understand physics you know you do not have to go to the moon to test whether or not a military weapon will work on the moon or not... Newton worked all that out for us almost 500 years ago... DUH!!!

The biggest question plaguing the mind of the lunar scientists over the last forty years, has been the question of the possibility of water at the poles of the moon... specifically for colonization which would include mass ejection systems for mining and mineral rich crust...

You will come up with a bona fide military source for your contention or, I will thank you very much to keep your bullshit to yourself...

--Oldyoti

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress
and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but
to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
--Abraham Lincoln

[Kilika]

Reserves of helium-3 on the moon are in the order of a million tons, according to some estimates, and just 25 tons could serve to power the European Union and United States for a year.

That is the reason I think they are interested in the moon again. It's all about the money.

[Harconen]

That is the reason I think they are interested in the moon again. It's all about the money.

Yup. Putin and Russian media also mention it.

[Belial]

We should just pack up the NWO and blast them all to the moon. They can have as much global governance as they want up there on the luna surface provided they never gain the capability to launch back to earth again.

[xfahctor]

hahaahah

Sane...Jt, I thought there was an age limit in this forum how do these kids keep getting in here?

so wait...you're meaning to tell me that NASA didn't fire those rockets? That NASA didn't build/acquire the materials for the mission.

what?? not at all what I said...

You're missing the point. NASA/DOD/FEDS were active participants/ initiators in/of the experiment while all of us were merely observers.

And are observing and recording the sme data that the participants/initiators were....

Oh and again. NASA must have some pretty crazy fortune tellers to schedule the end of the mission on a day where the media coverage of the event would be deflected. Why didn't NASA want as much media exposure as possible?

Because it's a science experiment, not a side show.......but yeh, your right, I don't know what I was talking about,  nasa put this together at the last minute when they heard Obama had gotten the peace prize.....
 
hopeless.......
http://lunarscience.arc.nasa.gov/articles/lro-lcross-launch-date-set-for-june-17th

[crutley]

Didn't they once hold a Bilderberg conference on the moon?...

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i35386