Constitution question

[LadyDamorea]

George W. Bush was quoted as saying that the U.S. Constitution is "just a piece of paper."  This may be true since the North American Union came into being during his presidency.  If it is "just a piece of paper" and has lost all of its power, then they have no obligation to follow the Bill of Rights or any of the rest of it, right?  If they are not following that Constitution, then are they following ANY constitution?  Also, to take it to our level, if the Constitution is no long valid, then we don't have to follow it in our fight against them, do we?     What would it mean for us and for them?

[Overcast]

George W. Bush was quoted as saying that the U.S. Constitution is "just a piece of paper."  This may be true since the North American Union came into being during his presidency.  If it is "just a piece of paper" and has lost all of its power, then they have no obligation to follow the Bill of Rights or any of the rest of it, right?  If they are not following that Constitution, then are they following ANY constitution?  Also, to take it to our level, if the Constitution is no long valid, then we don't have to follow it in our fight against them, do we?    What would it mean for us and for them?

And the 'papers' that give the President their power are just 'pieces of paper' the votes that put him in office are just 'pieces of paper'. Laws are just 'pieces of paper'. US Currency is just 'pieces of paper'. His illustrious Harvard degree is just a 'piece of paper'.

We, as Americans in concept and belief; must adhere to the words written on the piece of paper our 'presidents' consider worthless. If we are to be Americans - that piece of paper must be followed; else we are not Americans.

It is what defines us. Defines us as a people - and said definition freed people to accomplish better things that serving elite masters. In turn that has served ALL of humanity, countless times over and over.

It is what people have died over time and again.

It was the basis for the Greatest nation on earth - the environment it created has given us countless innovation - like these machines we are typing on now - that are only pieces of plastic, silicon, copper, and such.

It's only a piece of paper if you see it that way - to many of us, it is a creed and a belief we will die to protect the concepts of.

[jofortruth]

Well said, Overcast!

It is still OUR PIECE OF PAPER, and if they are claiming it has been taken away, they did it illegally and without our say, SO THAT IS INVALID!

[Overcast]

Well said, Overcast!

It is still OUR PIECE OF PAPER, and if they are claiming it has been taken away, they did it illegally and without our say, SO THAT IS INVALID!

Technically - every single law - IRS code; stimulus bills, UN declarations, Geneva Conventions, all that - is just paper in the end.

Or wait - not it's not. Paper is just the medium - the medium that is used to 'capture' concepts, ideas, innovations, beliefs... Scientific research, medical texts...

People with intelligence realize - it's not the 'paper' that matters; it's the words and concepts on those pieces of paper.

But shallow minds have problems with arriving at that conclusion.

[IridiumKEPfactor]

The way the U.S Federal Government runs things and the way it treats the Constitution is just like a unemployed man and woman who works 2 jobs exchanging vowels and gettings married then immediately after the wedding, the groom runs off to an orgy durring the reception. The bride finds him in the act and the groom says no, you must be seeing things our vowels are up to interpretation. I run our house, You better keep giving me the money! Shut up and know your role or you'll get the beat down.

The woman needs to stand up and get out of this harmful unhealthly relationship. The Declaration of Indepence was basically America serving Great Britian divorce papers.

[LadyDamorea]

I know it's more than "just a piece of paper" to all of us.  It means a great deal to me.  My son is a Marine who vowed to defend the U.S. Constitution. 

I was just posing "what if" questions. 

[Unintelligable Name]

If they claim the Constitution no longer exists then by all means you have every right to no longer recognize the authority of any agents of the Federal Government, and to treat them as criminals if they try to force anything onto you. To hell with them all.

[phosphene]

Little Bush was sayin that you/me/we/the government are bound to so many invisible private contracts, that the Constitution does not even apply.

Even the simplest of private contracts can override the US Constitution. ie: A non-disclosure agreement. Say you are building a water powered car and you hire an assistant. You and the assistant agree, privately, with a contract, that he will not disclose your trade secrets to anyone for x amount of years. Could he use the 1st amendment of the US the Constitution to weasel out of your private non-disclosure agreement? No.

[VulpesVafrae]

Little Bush was sayin that you/me/we/the government are bound to so many invisible private contracts, that the Constitution does not even apply.

Even the simplest of private contracts can override the US Constitution. ie: A non-disclosure agreement. Say you are building a water powered car and you hire an assistant. You and the assistant agree, privately, with a contract, that he will not disclose your trade secrets to anyone for x amount of years. Could he use the 1st amendment of the US the Constitution to weasel out of your private non-disclosure agreement? No.

What if we torture him? Could he disclose the secrets to water powered car then?

[Unintelligable Name]

Even the simplest of private contracts can override the US Constitution. ie: A non-disclosure agreement. Say you are building a water powered car and you hire an assistant. You and the assistant agree, privately, with a contract, that he will not disclose your trade secrets to anyone for x amount of years. Could he use the 1st amendment of the US the Constitution to weasel out of your private non-disclosure agreement? No.

Doesn't override the Constitution... that's a consensual private contract. Hardly a loss of Freedom of Speech to not be able to discuss a specific topic because you AGREED not to.

[ES]

The Constitution is a contract where the people agree to grant the elected government certain limited powers that are to exercised for the purpose of securing the rights and property of each citizen. Bush's declaration has no authority to break this contract and he is in fact in violation of the contract if he attempts to do so.